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From what we have seen it is just the same old adage where Americans believe they are not only the center of the universe, that nothing bad can happen here and if it does it must be way worse in other places because well, the empire is might and will never fall (hahahahaha. Real life says otherwise) Would love to see this turn into a comedy of errors where they leave the hole and find out that the rest of the world erased the America, baffled at the ignorance of its leaders and billionaire class, and that life has been just fine for most of the world. Which makes me think this: if they believe that the surface is unlivable, what happens when they eventually go back? Will the billionaires still be billionaires? It makes no sense at all. There is no money, they saved their lives but money means nothing anymore. Maybe someone will bring back the guillotine. That would be too good, inspiring even

It was mentioned in some episode. Inferred, implied or openly saying they were financing the whole thing, don't remember exactly. They are the board, the ones taken to the bunkers (bunkers in a bunker?) when the hole was rebooted.

Using your words to express my feelings Of course the selfish billionaires care about themselves forgetting how many people they've killed. I hope they all die Not only about the show, which is weirdly - or not - mirroring real life

My comments are on the general premise of the show, the idea of a bunker, billionaires in charge, etc. I don't really care to be spoiled. Or maybe his wife was part of the catastrophic event and Atlanta wasn't hit but enemies, but it was an "accident" due to some system failure - which is something very real in our real life since there is so little oversight of any lind of weapons

Only that in real life they don't need to hide anymore Musk. MLK Jr hometown, lots of black people. To me she is like one of those villains in cop shows, the face of a psychopath There is not a scenario where only one place would be hit by a nuclear weapon. Today's nukes are way more potent - like hundreds of times - than the ones the US used in Japan. And with that not only the air would be bad and deadly, which would cause immediate death, but the whole ecosystem would be off balance. Nukes don't destroy everything at once, it makes it impossible to grow food and have clean water. In some cases, the sun cant even break the dark clouds barrier. One nuke would send those people to the bunker, yes, but the planet would still be in a war. But I thought the conversation in previous episodes was about an environmental catastrophe - haven't watched the episode yet. Just an aside: the president is #47, billionaires control the little city/country. End of the world? Will anyone survive this crap show? Will the world?

Never, in the history of ever, putting a few people in charge of many without any accountability has resulted in everyone being happy about being ordered around. Assuming they lived in a world that resembles our experiences here, in the real world, it is very hard to accept that a bunch of billionaires would be able to tell people what to do, surveil them, control what and what cannot be done. The most hated people on the planet are billionaires. Even the ones who were "chosen" would have a problem with that. Resistance always appears in places where there is control from a few of many. Besides, those people who are there must be "grateful" for the chance to survive a catastrophic event but they also have extended family members who were left behind. Xavier has a grudge but he is portrayed as loyal and clearly is the hero of the show. What makes you believe others don't feel the same way? Cudly means, they have everything and don't have to worry about anything. That's a dull life and humans without curiosity and dreams are brain dead. That wasn't explained in the show, what do the people think is supposed to happen? Food is limited, how long will everything last? Can they procreate? There is a parallel to what is happening in real life. Billionaires are building bunkers for themselves and their families, plus whoever they decide to bring when the end is near. They have former SEAL people as their security because they believe they will be able to survive and ride the post apocalyptic world until it is safe to open the hatches (hahaha). Then someone pointed out to them that in a bunker, their money is worthy nothing and stronger people, including the SEAL people, can just control it all. Violence is part of human DNA. Selfishness, individualism, are part of the American DNA. Empathy is in short supply and empaths would never be allowed. It is a doomed premise and they would kill themselves in a bunker. In a fake world under a mountain, 20 thousand people would not be contained after a while without some serious doping to keep them from thinking and questioning. Dissent is also part of the human experience. If they chose "important people" or the "best brains", those brains are not just working on their field. If they are, they are partially brain dead and are not really human. Questioning means critical thinking. The best of the best must have critical thinking, no? What keeps them from exercising that?

This was the first episode I liked but still not sold on the whole premise because the holes still bother me. I will not speculate on the many things that happened because everyone here already had very good theories about Presley, the dog, who really is in charge. FINALLY some resistance to being compliant in a hole while people can just decide if the day will be sunny or cloudy to "make things seem normal". This type of control is infantilizing in a way. Supposedly, the "chosen ones" were indispensable people and their families. So why do they need this type of cuddly lie? The only explanation is to control them, to keep emotions in check and the illusion alive, while the billionaires go ahead with their coup - which in the end is a coup because there are survivors in the old order. How timely is this plot! How much do I want to see a guillotine in this show, reflected in real life! As for the woman speaking Creole, I think they showed an image of a submarine (?) near what I believe is the tip of the Washington monument so maybe most of the continent is submerged, making it possible to move around on ships and boats. Long shot but hey, they are in a magical dome with food that self produces. Anything can happen Poor Cal will be the first victim is Xavier's dive into the truth. Poor guy. One thing that annoys me in shows is when someone has something very important to tell another person but the second person thinks their thing is more important and cannot listen. Presley knows how important the tablet is but she simply shuts up because Xavier is so assertive and thinks what he is doing is more important. So used in shows and such a preposterous concept. Just to add to the "tension". I just get more annoyed by the trope How many episodes left? I am not sure they can solve half the mysteries before the season ends, then the wait for another year to solve them will likely make me very disinterested.

I get that. I was just hoping that this would be somewhat unique in the universe of every-show-looks-like-the-other-one. So far, this show falls on that category for me, so I watch it hoping it will end soon, or that it gives me answers. Then I get annoyed because it it just another silly cop/conspiracy/spy show, but in a Truman Show dome The writing has failed me and TV is all about the story. it is the writer's medium

The only thing in this episode that I actually liked is that they showed, although not explicitly, that all pigs are the same, no matter the situation. They either are recruited for being complete assholes and/or abusive pricks - they wouldn't mind using force to control "the masses", or they become that, swallowed by the system. Not for a minute I believe that Billy kept any form of innocence or good character having been abused in youth , then spent what seems a lot of time inside some prison, where we know people learn how to become thugs. If they had included a line or two of how the place he was did actually have some sort of mental health service for rehabilitation, I don't buy "cool uncle Billy" Not really liking the writing so far. Too many holes

That's what hasn't work for me so far. I want to know if they planned to stay for a limited amount of time, so they have enough water, food, and whatever else they need to survive. Who are the chosen people? How are they so compliant with the situation? I mean, everyone has someone who was left behind, the people in the hole seem way too satisfied with the situation. Maybe this will explained as the series progress but it is taking way too long for me to get into the story because so far it is just another conspiracy show. If they want to make it "special" and "unique" because it has the mystery of why they moved to that hole, they need to give more context and explanations. I also wonder if they based this on the very real thing that is happening, which is a bunch of billionaires actually preparing bunkers, hiring former Navy Seals to protect them and selecting who can move in with them. They freaked out when it was pointed out to them that once they are closed in, their money will mean nothing, and people who have real skills will dominate. And that's what bothers me, and connects with my point above: the billionaires money is worthy nothing down there, so why are they still in charge - at least part of a board of sorts? Why aren't the local pigs taking over? What does Sinatra have on them, how does she control them?

So they are probably using props and left overs form that show on this one They do have the buildings of "general big cites" so it could be NY, Philly, Boston, etc. But if I remember well, the one mentioned was a very specific little quaint town and they would not keep that built unless there was a show every year since the end of the first one that needed a quaint small town America

I am all for killing all billionaires. Too relatable to real life news. There is no reason whatsoever that a billionaire should exist. My wish would be to send them all to a trip to Pluto, in a self-destructive ship. So, if the 25000 people are all related to the billionaires, who is cleaning their houses? Who is cooking their food, doing their laundry? No way in any dome billionaires would do normal human things. And is there enough people to plant and harvest the food they eat? How about maintenance of the fake sun and fake sky, fake moon, fake stars? All this takes much more than 25000 people and the ones in the little city main street seemed to be doing absolutely nothing, just hanging and shopping. Maybe they are also battery-run robots? There is no such thing as good "bro". I find him awful. Not liking the actor either, whoever he is

I am still not sold on the logistics mentioned above. I cannot ignore that there is no way a limited amount of people would be transported to a bunker, as beautiful as it might be (not really), live the same life that destroyed the planet before, and be compliant with billionaires running them. They must put something in the water (where does it come from) to control them. Fascism pure and simple

Was the other show shot in a real city, or was it a studio built city? Because they don't keep the sets forever, they dismantle everything and make room for another show. If it was a real city then it is possible

They had mechanical ducks on the pond. A guy was changing batteries (?) Apologies. I watched them together and still don't have a good grasp on the stories