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Even binge-watching S7, Lucy and the other girl are so damn random, in every scene they're in, oh my god.
I don't fault Rory for being fond of them because they were fun and the escape she needed at the time but the foursome Logan/Rory/Paris/Doyle represents Rory's time at Yale for me. Hell, even Finn and Colin will probably be more rememberable to Rory than those girls.
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I just realized that somewhere after breaking things up with Christopher, Lorelai's face stopped looking strange to me and by episode 19 she's back to s5/s6 level of gorgeousness without the annoying jaw ticks. Huh. Bad case of facial fillers maybe?
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Their vibe is just too buddy/buddy for me. It's like watching siblings go at it and that's just a big no.
What you see as buddy/sibling-like I see as fun and light which personally appeals to me in a relationship and that's also the kind of relationship I would want for a charismatic character like Lorelai.
I don't think that L/L were joyless and miserable together like some fans see them, but Luke definitely was overall too dull for my tastes and I have a hard time seeing Lorelai remaining interested in him on the long run. The episode they go to the Martha's Vineyard is basically what I saw happening more and more often between them in the future.
QuoteI would have been fine with Lorelai 'dating' a guy long term while never actually getting serious. That way she has fun dates and all the sex she wants while she gets her emotional support from her friends. Basically a 'no strings attached' kind of deal. However I can see how that wouldn't really work on a family show.
Yup. Hell, they could have had her have a long term boyfriend but not made a big deal out of it and kept it drama free. Like Jason (up until the end, that is).
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Oh, and wherever Jason ended up.
Aw, poor Jason. I always go back to him. He was the closest to an ideal guy/relationship for Lorelai, imo. He loved his space even more than she loved hers; they had fun and they got it each other so well.
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Mine is, and it's possibly an UO, that no guy is the right guy for Lorelai. She's not capable of sustaining long lasting romantic relationships. And not just because of her utter inability to compromise. IMO what Lorelai needed was a couple of years of therapy to work through her chilhood issues. What she needed was to just be ok with herself and what she has done with her life. And come to some kind of peace and understanding regarding her parents.
Table for two! Back when I first watched the show, I remember being sad when the narrative around Lorelai's character became all about not dying alone!/marriage/not becoming a spinster!/lonely!. God forbid a woman can have a full, happy life without getting married. And some people really aren't made for that and, like you said, Lorelai is so incredibly set in her ways...couldn't she just date someone?
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As others have noted, they had far more chemistry, compatibility, communication and just apparent happiness than Luke and Lorelai ever had.
I've always been more partial to L/C than L/L but I'm kind of "heh" about that statement.
L/C do have better communication and overall compatibility, and they also had incredible chemistry for the first three seasons but, imo, by the time Christopher got "loaded!" and started being writen like a tool it all but evaporated.
As far as being happy goes, as much as it pains me to say because I really rooted for them the first time I watched the show, Lorelai generally looks completely miserable during her relationship with Christopher in S7, often ambivalent and rarely happy (maybe in Paris?). In contrast, she's notably happy with Luke during S5, to the point Rory mentions it, so I don't know. My interpretation of Lorelai's relationships changes with each rewatch and I tend to lean more towards neither guy being the right guy.
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I thought it was strange that the judge or court liaison didn't speak to April. Maybe that happened off screen. She was old enough to give her opinion on the matter. I found the whole thing a little off but then I live in another country.
Same here, and over here if the kid is twelve + they get an imput.
On another note, I'm reaching that part of S7 Logan's business deal turns out to be a bust and he falls back into drinking and risk taking behavior. I don't consider myself a jealous person, but frankly, if I were Rory, I'd be worried whether he hasn't fall back into some other bad habits during all those late nights drinking in Manhattan.
I'm glad the show didn't even hint to that effect because Rory dealing with Logan cheating on her was bad enough once but in real life someone like Logan would totally feel entitled to blow off steam with random hook-ups because "he works too much". It's the entire culture he grew up on.
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But is Luke REALLY more dependable than Christopher?
You raise very important points and to answer your question: I have no idea. Possibly? I think peharps Luke has shown himself to be more reliable than Christopher, over the years, as a friend to both Lorelai and Rory and also as a father to April. But does that mean he's as dependable as Lorelai needs her partner to be? By the time end of S6, the answer is obviously: no. But I think we're supposed to think there's at least some room for him to become that guy, unlike Christopher.
I'm mostly just thinking outloud because this is a really awkward subject for me to get into given I'm at best really indifferent to Luke. I would much rather Lorelai ended up with a new guy (or Max!!) but at this point I'm quietly relieved it's Luke because that means I won't have to put with his side-stories which bore me to death.
I also under the opinion L/L weren't as terrible you think they were. Through S5 and the start of S6 they were perfectly tolerable to me, mostly because Lorelai seemed so happy with him. S6 onwards Logan and Rory annoyed me more.
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My unpopular opinion would be that Lorelai and Christopher would be a better match in real life, if he were a tad more dependable.
I agree with the above and I think your UO goes right along with canon if you keep in mind that's a mighty IF.
I give the show a lot of credit for putting in the text that lingering feelings towards Luke could have been worked through, but the bigger problem was that Christopher was not "the one" and the reason for that, IMO, was that his history of flakeyness, his lack of dependability, were never really far from Lorelai's mind, which explains a lot of her ever present ambivalence towards him in S7.
It definitely explains her freaking out at the possibility of having another child with Christopher, when it had been established she was definitely ready to have another child.But the thing that ultimately doomed their marriage was Christopher proving he hadn't changed in that aspect when he fled after their first fight, same as when he was an all around selfish child about Richard being in the hospital. I definitely got why, after that, Lorelai realized she couldn't have a future with him, for all their personalities do seem to click a lot better than L/L, he could never give her what she needs and wants.
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Season 7 has its flaws, but I feel Emily's speech about being Richard's wife is the speech to end all speeches. Just beautiful. Actually, the writing for Emily in that entire episode is completely on point, imo.
Another scene that stands out to me and feels true to character is Luke finally standing up to Anna.
The whole letter/character reference thing was way too melodramatic for my taste though, And does family court in the US actually works that way? Because I actually clerk for a judge in a family court in the neck of my woods and I was appalled in the US apparently only the lawyers can speak to the judge. How can the judge get a real feel of what kind of people the parents are so to the decide in the best interest of the child? I don't get it.
I find Rory's storylines, if you can call it that, the most innofensive but all around useless for her characterization in the long run. They don't add much, if at all.
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I agree S3 Emily is great, but late Season 6/Season 7 Emily is my personal favorite. I love her trying to buy Lorelai and Luke that beautiful house and how much thought she put into it. I also really like her reaction when Lorelai broke down over her doomed wedding.
I'm halfway through S7 and Emily is pretty on point when it comes to how she deals with Christopher and Lorelai's relationship, imo. Lorelai even stopps making quips long enough to listen to her mother's advice.
There's also a special place in my heart for how genuinely appreciative Richard and Emily are of the Dragonfly Inn. I don't think Lorelai ever realized what a huge deal it was Emily wanting to throw the tiny debutants Tea there. I don't think you get higher praise than that from Emily Gilmore.
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It's weird how when I first watched s7 I was in highschool and felt it was really abrupt when things started to fall apart between Christopher and Lorelai, like the writers were suddenly reminded they had to break them up. But now, rewatching the show as a 26 year old, it seems extremelly obvious how ambivalent Lorelai was to give it a go with Christopher, to say the least. Yes, she shares some special moments with him, but she seems overall botherline depressed, imo. I haven't reached that episode yet, but finally the line "You're the man I want to want" is making sense to me.
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I think most of the characters felt a little off in season 7 at least some/most of time.
True. All the actors seem to be overracting one way or another, at the least.
I think Rory is okay in general (in the sense that the writing and the acting continues with the thread from the previous seasons) but the writing for Lorelai is the one that suffers the most this season, imo. And this is insane because I remember always liking s7 better than s6! So I don't know why I'm so bothered by it this time around. Lorelai just seems so miserable...and of man, the jaw thing! There's just too much jaw! Even when she smiles she does this chewing thing -- okay, I'll stop now.
Also, is it me or do we get more close-ups this season? Maybe that's it!
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This is terrible, but I'm so distracted by LG's face in season 7. I just feel hyper-aware of Lorelai's expressions! There's definitely whole lot of the clenching of jaw followed by shiny, wet eyes of woe or joy. I suppose the end of her relationship with Luke left her in a terribly sad and fragile state, which Lorelai didn't really give herself time to heal for, before jumping in another relationship. So there's definitely some of that, but I can't help but feel there's something really off about how LG plays Lorelai this season. Even the pitch of her voice is weird and there's a notable lack of energy.
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Another option of course would have been for Asher Fleming to have had an older brother.
I honest would rather they'd given us that over revisiting the Dean/Rory relationship.
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Another option of course would have been for Asher Fleming to have had an older brother.
I honest would rather they'd given us that over revisiting the Dean/Rory relationship.
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Another option of course would have been for Asher Fleming to have had an older brother.
I honest would rather they'd given us that over revisiting the Dean/Rory relationship.
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Another option of course would have been for Asher Fleming to have had an older brother.
I honest would rather they'd given us that over revisiting the Dean/Rory relationship.
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So, the whole thing with Logan's rocket gift to Rory. Definitely weird and awkward. Maybe meant to foreshadow them struggling with communication, being on the same page?
Does anyone actually think it was romantic?
Also, I personally thought it was odd that Logan and Rory wouldn't even discuss her spending the summer with him in London.
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My UO is that I think Luke had a right to figure out how to be a parent to April on his own terms rather than relying on Lorelai's opinions, including when and how to fit April into their lives. He was of course wrong to keep secrets and wrong in the way he went about it. Although Lorelai also could have handled the situation much better.
I completely agree Luke had every right to have the space he needed to figure out his relationship with April before worrying about how to tacke it as a couple. And I would agree Lorelai should have handled it better if her defensiveness and insecurity weren't direct results from Luke's actions, such as keeping it from her for two months while they were engaged to be married nonetheless, or deciding not to let Lorelai so much as be in the same room as the child without talking to her about it beforehand.
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I've been binge-rewatching season 6 and it got me wishing that ASP had really ran with Rory/Jess reconnecting and they had eventually gotten back together. After their first breakup, through the remaining of s6 it felt like Rory and Logan never quite managed to find steady ground again. I remember them being better in S7 but their old issues would still creep up sometimes.
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Blaming the bridesmaids certainly made Logan look worse. And very sexist, given his own behavior in the past.
Yes, he repeteadly called them terrible things and thus came off looking really, really bad.
QuoteThe thing that bugs me is that Rory let him talk his way out of it so easily without listening to her own feelings. Although I think that is her pattern while she was with Logan, probably the main reason I don't enjoy their relationship. It definitely should have been a red flag that she and Logan were very different people.
I definitely agree with this. It's what I meant when I mentioned how gimmicky it was them getting back together the first time and the pattern goes on and on. Rory is having a hard time forgiving him for the bridesmaids and trying to figure out what she really feels so of course Logan almost dies and all is forgiven.
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It's insane and incredibly dumb either way, but he probably didn't expect Honor to ask Rory to join her and pictured Rory having found herself a nook to get some work done thus would be isolated from the bridesmaids.
I definitely don't think he truly bought his rationalization that he did nothing wrong because he thought they were broken up. You only have to watch the episode Rory first returns to Yale and runs into Logan, imo. He greets her and acts around her super casually, like he was done cooling off from a fight and they are still together.
"In my mind I was not cheating on you.". Good God.
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One of the bridesmaids ("Walker") is played by the same actress that plays the girl that asks Rory help to pick a lipstick in the Cotillion episode! It could easily be the same character as well.
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I agree with all but the Digger one and the Dean one mainly because I always thought he was an agressive tool. Revisiting the Dean/Rory relationship in s4 is the most egregious mistake ASP ever made when it comes to GG, imo, which isn't mentioned on the list, followed by ruining Jess' character so he could be sent to Spin-off land (#9).