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HeySandyStrange, I'd watch the hell out of that show. I also completely agree with your take on Rory having very little inclination towards motherhood so I think it would be really interesting and original portrayal of a young mother especially with Supermom!Lorelai there to make it that much obvious.
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Lorelai's desire to be in April's life always felt weird to me. (Seriously, if a guy had been so pushy in having a relationship with Rory, her alarm bells would have gone off.) Lorelai's friendly yet not overbearing attitude in the revival feels more genuine. She has learned how to be dad's girlfriend/step-mom to April and let go of the manic desire to bond with the kid.
The fact that they were engaged to be married and Luke kept April's existence a secret for two months no doubt colored Lorelai's attitude. But also, how Luke continued to handle it would have made most on Lorelai's shoes uncomfortable and insecure, on some level, IMO.
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2 hours ago, Melancholy said:
think that's the story at stake with L/L in the Revival but it's so damn underwritten. Example- I feel like there's a critical evolution from Lorelai making the usual anti-Jess crack in Winter ("Toss a football *with*. Not *at*.") to Lorelai being all comfortable with Jess hanging in their living room and blowing him a kiss as he leaves. However, there's no in between scenes to explain how Lorelai gets to that point. Did Lorelai internally feel inclined to make new effort to embrace Luke's family because she had an insight about what it takes to really be a complete family even if it means, for instance, doing the labor to let up on old grudges and truly forgive (a very hard thing for Lorelai!) or did Lorelai think that they're just all inherently family upon a pending marriage which would solve everything?
Your entire post is very interesting!
I personally feel the revival told us that Lorelai and Jess will always be a little snarky as far as the other goes but any real ill feelings are long past. Hence Jess hanging around Lorelai's (and Luke's?) home.
I'll confess my reading is heavily influenced by the fact I was immediately incredibly indignant on Lorelai's behalf by:
2 hours ago, Melancholy said:As much as Luke spouted out that they separate their crazy families, Luke is solidly in Lorelai's family. He says that he's always considered Rory "a little bit his" even though he reminds Lorelai that April is HIS and not HERS.
While I find you raising the question of whether Lorelai makes the same effort to belong to Luke's family as he does to belong to hers very interesting, Luke's attitude in that scene is infuriating to me in so many levels and a complete callback to season 6 when he unilateraly decided Lorelai shouldn't even get to meet April, let alone be part of her life because of his insecurities.
IMO, Lorelai tries to integrate their families but is mercilessly shut down whenever she even brings up the idea. Hence why I never saw Jess hanging around her home as development from her part given, if anything, I feel Luke is the one in need of character development in that front.
Hell, in theory, I'm don't even fundamentally argue against the merit of Luke's instance. It sounds blissfull not to have to deal with the in laws. I do find the way he communicates it bothers on cruel, not to forget it's deeply, deeply hipocrytical.
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I've meaning to ask the Americans GG fans a question: Rory's birth name is Lorelai Leigh Gilmore right? Cool. Why doesn't she have Hayden also? Does that mean Christopher didn't register her as his father?
On my neck of the woods, children usually get one surname from each parent. The only way Rory wouldn't be called Lorelai Leigh Gilmore Hayden would be if Christopher wasn't recorded in the birth certificate/didn't register her as his daughter.
I understand in the US she would likely be called Lorelai Leigh Hayden and my confusion remains.
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3 hours ago, Enigma X said:
I am finishing up episode 8 ("The Party Is Over") of this season and really am at a lost on Rory and Dean's whole relationship. It does not take much for them to get (back) together or break up. I have always seen this relationship as lacking...passion is not the right word, since they are so young, but they are boring together and boring when they break up. Sadly, Logan is no prize either. I see where that is going already. If I can't have Jess, why not Marty?
I very much agree with you. I find Dean and Rory's relationship very confusing.
Up until S3 they were writen as the chaste, innocent first love that Rory outgrew and took too long to let go. That worked for me. But then, Jared Padalecki's avaliability or whatever had him be around even after their break up in S3 and that's when things started getting messy and not working for me. I didn't buy the tension Dean's presence created while Rory was with Jess and I definitely never really bought her renewed interest in him in S4. And I say that because by mid-season 2 Rory was written and played as if she was completely sick of him, IMHO.
They seem like very much a case of two people who think they were a lot better together than they actually were.
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38 minutes ago, Enigma X said:
This was my least favorite season thus far. I am not sure if bingewatching is the best way for a first-time watcher to watch.
I think watching it weekly would have been worst. A lot of Meh episodes. I definitely consider season 4 one of the weakest seasons if not the weakest.
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On 13/12/2016 at 4:45 PM, AllyB said:
I'm actually could have done without the LDB sequence myself. Mainly because I almost died of third party embarassment and I'm younger than them. That said, I'm with tarotx on this one. Rory had to get it out of her system in order to move on.
LDB's so called crimes also did not compute for me. I also blame the musical montage.
For the life of me, I cannot take seriously a debate about priviledge and race in relation to a dream-like sequence on Gilmore girls, of all shows. I don't know which is more ridiculous, to be honest.
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2 hours ago, random chance said:
I don't see how her life story would even be interesting. They lived on a budget and Lorelai worked while raising a child - not exactly War and Peace. ASP herself knows the story didn't get good until Lorelai needed to borrow money from her rich parents for Rory's fancyass school, because that's where she began the tale.
You can make pretty much any subject into a interesting story. It's all about how you tell it.
I would be totally up to watching a pre-Gilmore girls show about young Lorelai. Starting with her still living with her parents and how that must have been like, then their relationship reaching an all time low during the pregnancy/runaway years. But also Lorelai struggling with the identity of being a teen mother AND choosing to leave a life of wealth and comfort behind.
We know Lorelai isn't good with finances but can you imagine how much her 18 year old self must fumbled trying to support herself, for the first time, but also a toddler with minimum age? How bad did things get? Did she have regrets? Just how unpopular did her arrangement with Mia make her with the other maids? Did Lorelai try to keep her origins a secret at first?
What about Christopher? What percentage of Lorelai's pride play in Christopher decided being a father was optional, after the baby is there? What percentage did her love for him play in that perception? Did she ever resent giving him a way out and him taking it, going to college, travelling and enjoying all those she wasn't allowed to by taking on the responsability of raising a child all by herself? Did anyone challege that self-imposed sacrifice?
What about her (former) peers? What must have felt like watching the people she grew up with enjoying their youth and being stupid and chasing their dreams while she had to keep her feet firmly on the ground and made her life all about this little human?
You can keep War and Peace.
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1 hour ago, Beatriceblake said:
There's also something a bit sad and navel-gazing about Rory looking about for things she feels passionately about and that is herself and her mother. Remember when she wanted to be a serious journalist anyone?
I don't like when shows get meta. At all. But I think Jess's idea could have been salvaged if Rory hadn't been so damn literal about it. A bio felt extremelly uninmaginative. Hell, even a book inspired by Lorelai's early years as a single mother would have been vastly more interesting, imo.
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54 minutes ago, Minneapple said:
Botox does wear off, and it's not really the same as plastic surgery. I thought it looked like Lauren got cheek fillers, but maybe it was just the weight gain. Not that she looks bad at all. She looks great in fact.
I believe her if she says she hasn't had plastic surgery done.
LG is using Kylie Jenner logic in her book, then, but point taken.
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4 hours ago, pennben said:
For what it is worth, in her new book that came out last week, Graham talks about her concerns about actresses as they age having plastic surgery and how it can effect their expressiveness/ability to act. She said for those reasons she doesn't think she would ever have anything done. The clear implication being that she has to date not had work done to date.
Ha! More like she's talking from her own experience. I don't judge, her face, her choices. But I dare someone to watch season 7, especially the first half, and not notice she obviously had something done. Whatever she had done for the revival was nowhere near as bad.
I was more bothered by whatever was going on with Alexis's mouth/cheek/jaw situation making her unable to smile properly.
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Lol! That was a great! It does sound like a person.
Never in my life before I had heard of "Condé Nast" so I immediately googled it before Rory and Logan had finished their conversation. I hated how pretentious it sounded and I hated even more after learning that:
On 05/12/2016 at 5:28 PM, wendyg said:Conde Nast is the publisher of The New Yorker, Wired, GQ, and many other titles. If you want assignments, you talk to the editors of those titles. Freelance screenwriters do meet studio suits to pitch idea; freelance journalists do not do the same with *publishers*.
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Oh...ok, so I've had this fleeting thought but keep forgetting to mention it. You know the really big thing that disappointed me about this revival? Did we ever see the characters drink coffee? We saw them drink a whole bunch of alcohol, but I don't recall many scenes of them drinking coffee, if any. I think I recall one or two scenes with coffee, but I can't recall very many.
The girls were holding cups of coffee in the first scene, I believe. There was also the scene when they were both up in the middle of the night and decided to drink coffee and didn't Lorelai say at some point that she used to be coffee in a past life? Was that from the revival?
I get what you're saying. I can see ASP going "Mentioned coffee. Check. What's the next callback?". But I suppose it's easier to spread out jokes about coffee over 22 (?) episodes and it not getting tiring than over 4.
We also got some pop-tarts mentions but viewers who didn't watch the OS probably didn't realize it was a thing.
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2 hours ago, qtpye said:
Yes, she had always been studious and this should not be discounted, in fact, it was one of the things that drew many people to the character. However, there were other ways for Rory to get a good education that do not include going to a elite private school. There were many colleges with fantastic journalism programs that are not in the ivy league. I am not saying Rory was wrong to have those dreams, but she was never a go getter like Paris. She was a very sweet lovable girl, who besides a streak of rebellion here and there, did not really challenge anyone.
Also, I am not labeling her a failure, she is the person who is doing that to herself (she thinks people can smell it on her). Her world is the reality of what journalism looks like today. Also, she always wanted to be a hard hitting investigative journalist, not someone who writes fluff pieces for lifestyle websites. She is simply not made for the lifestyle and I do not know why no one but Logan's father ever challenged that.
Well, no one is like Paris. But I disagree Rory hasn't shown to be driven, ambitious and disciplined in her own right, In the revival, I also saw someone who wasn't as thin skinned as the Rory for the OS.
There was a post of a working journalist on these boards that talked a bit about her own career (she's an newspaper editor now, I think, and very satistied) and how, essentially, Rory should only blame herself for not "making it" on that field. And I feel there's a lot of truth to that.
I believe Rory could have achieved whatever set out to be if it wasn't her arrogance and pride. Someone else said it and I agree, that Rory's first (and possibly major) mistake was not accepting the spot in the Providence newspaper (?) back in S7. I'm a little older than she was back then so I have a hindsight the she lacked, but working steadily somewhere where you have room to learn how to apply your skills to the real world, acummulating that experience and gaining confidence in yourself to start taking risks is essential to growing into the person you really want to be instead of the person you think you want to be (college).
I'm not sure Rory ever allowed herself that step.
I relate so hard to the desire of travelling and having adventures but IMHO, Rory kinda put the cows before cart.
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I was dreading the wedding would take over the episodes so I was pleasantly surprised at how it turned out such a small thing. Yet, it was pretty and special in it's own way, It seemed a fitting ending for the revival, more an ode to family than actually romantic if that makes any sense.
As for the musical, the one good thing about it is that after I noticed it would drag on and on and on by jumping fowards a little I then realized I didn't have to put myself through it so I fast forwarded like my life depended on it.
As for the LDB nonsense, it was at least watchable which is more than it can be said about the musical. It was also very, very pretty and artsy. I genuinetely tried to enjoy it but then I kept remembering those were 30+ year olds acting acting that way . I also remembered Rory was over the lot of them by the end of S6. I get ASP was trying to drive home Rory and Logan were holding on to their (early) twenties by being together but surely it could have been done in a less cringy way.
I liked the Tango place. They could have had some oficial LBD event centered there, sort of like "You jump, I jump, Jack" but you know, with Tango. I think I would have dug that.
(No Logan/Rory dancing though. That will haunt me. Give me Finn, with a rose on his lips, dancing with the other one. You know who. Not Robert.)
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wendyg your entire post was a marvelous read! Thank you so much for the info. This part is my absolute favorite because as I watched the revival I could not wrap my head around what "on spect" actually meant:
1 hour ago, wendyg said:Item: The "lines pitch" was incredibly vague. There's no *story* there. Accurate enough that Rory actually didn't get an assignment; write it "on spec" (on speculation) is perfectly valid, but a freelance with credits from Slate, The Atlantic, and The New Yorker, doesn't do it that way. Instead, she chats to a few people she sees hanging around onlines, finds a *story* idea, and pitches that to get a commission before spending more than a couple of hours on it. (What, are we British now? Since when do New Yorkers have the patience to stand online for anything?)
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9 hours ago, Crs97 said:
Did I miss something? He proposed in season seven and she rejected him. How did we get back to his not wanting to go against his family for her?
Personally, besides the "the Dynastic plan" line, I believe there's nothing in Revival to indicate that Logan is in some sort of arranged marriage deal. Quite the opposite, I'd say. IMO, he's living exactly the life he wants and Rory is perfectly aware of it.
Remember Rory calling Logan out on having so much options and his desperate rant about being trapped and not being given a option, but one option, back in season 6? Remember Rory's indignation about not being good enough and Logan reassuring her? That's how those characters acted when Rory was looked down because of her status and when Logan was forced into a life he didn't want. We had absolutely nothing of the sort in the revival between these two. There's almost zero conflict over whether Logan might chose Rory over Odette. From either side!
The revival starts with them being very happy with their casual arrangement. When Rory's life starts to fall apart she hints to Logan she might want more, he immediately tries to figure out a way to maintain her as side piece. He wants to continue having his cake and eat it too. He's not interested in anything else. Same thing during their goodbye scene, with him ofering Rory the house. There's no argument about how he might get disowned if he doesn't marry a suitable girl or whatever. ASP could easily have came up with some sob to justify him not fighting for Rory and chosing her. But nope. Nada.
Now I get a lot of fans interpret that "the Dynastic plan" line as THE sob story but frankly, I don't buy it, It's a blink and you miss moment that has no backing in the four episodes.
IMO, it was the equivalent of Christopher telling Rory she was supposed to be raised by her mother alone because that's how things were meant to be (or whatever were the exact words). I think Logan meant that him ending up with a girl more suited to his lifestyle is actually the way things were always meant to turn out.
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Paris is unarguably successful in her professional life. So if Louise and Madeline also being successful in their own right PLUS having husband/kids would make them more successfull than Paris (a soon to be divorcee)... well, you see where I'm going with this right?
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27 minutes ago, Melancholy said:
Cuddlingcrowley, you make a fair point. The true measure of a happy life is how an informed person views their own. Not arbitrary success markers.I still maintain that Rory wasn't happy with her life as a wandering journalist. She longingly looked at the stability and status enjoyed by the Condé Nast writers who know where their next paycheck comes from, who don't have to hustle, who have a social life provided by steady work. I don't think she wanted a husband either but I do think she wanted a committed relationship with a future because her relationship with Paul was just an annoyance to her and all reminders that she was the geisha to Odette's fiancé made her miserable.
I think Rory was happy (not without its ups and downs) during the hiatus and we saw some of that in Winter but she wouldn't be able to keep it up forever. Her lifestyle had reached a breaking point, journalism is a dying field (from what I gather) and she wasn't making money AT ALL. It's only natural she started craving more stability. Actually, a stable relationship and a stable job as journalist where she got to do plenty of travel would probably have been ideal from day one. Being a freelancer forever is no one's idea of a dream job. Nor being anyone's side dish.
QuoteProbably Rory wouldn't trade her life for Lane's exactly but staying in Stars Hallow as opposed to traveling was really looking good to Rory by the midpoint of the Revival and that continued through the end.
Sure. She was exhausted, mentally, physically and emotionally. She needed to land somewhere to gather herself together. Stars Hollow was ideal! But I also very much doubt Rory would trade her life for Lane's.
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22 minutes ago, ZuluQueenOfDwarves said:
Job: Lane is seemingly working at her mother's antique shop and her husband just got promoted. Rory doesn't know where her next paycheck is coming from.
I can't fantom comparing working at your mother's antique shop with a career that allows you to have an exciting life, travelling, seeing the world and getting to write about it. Imho, it doesn't compare. But YMMV.
QuoteQuoteChildhood Dream: Lane is a drummer in a rock band. Rory is a journalist. Neither played out the way they thought, but they did still make it happen.
Rory got to experience the life of a real journalist for TEN YEARS. Lane got a Church tour.
22 minutes ago, ZuluQueenOfDwarves said:Relationships: Lane is married to the father of her children. Rory is forgets to break up with her boyfriend in between playing sidepiece to her engaged ex-boyfriend.
Marriage isn't everyone's goal. Rory could have married Logan. She chose not to.
QuoteLiving Situation: Lane has a roomy house in a beautiful town. Rory freeloads off her, as well as off Lorelai and Paris.
Up until the revival Rory was living at Brooklyn, NY. Tiny apartment in NY trumps a castle in Stars Hollow, as far as I'm concerned. But again, having a steady living arrangement isn't important for everyone. Being "rootless" was clearly a big rush for Rory.
This is all very subjective, but I would gladly live Rory's life in the revival, hot mess, anxiety, bad choices and all over living a day at Lane's.
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On 27/11/2016 at 0:46 AM, mledawn said:54 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:
Does more successful = happier, though? Remember, Zack got promoted at work. The horror!
Not necessarily, imo. This is very subjective territory we got into of course, but I personally consider successful people those who achieve (some? most?) goals they set for themselves, in life. Happiness generaly follows that. Sometimes, not.
I also think you can be happy without being successful.
And, of course, happiness isn't a fixed thing. Everyone goes through good times and bad times.
As far as Lane goes, I would need more than what we got of her in the Revival to be able to make any real accessment of how she feels about her life nowadays. She could have found genuine joy in motherhood and being a wife, and is content in having her band as a hobby and doesn't seriously want for another life than the one she got. Or she could feel trapped and at times more bitter than she's able to take. It could go either way, for me.
On the other hand, I wouldn't say either Paris and Rory are in particular happy times in their lives, considering they're struggling with divorce and career path, respectivelly, but I think they've both achieved a lot in what they set out to do, they've experienced happiness and that they will find happiness again.
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On 27/11/2016 at 0:46 AM, mledawn said:
Husbands/kids = success? Dude.
If I had a nickel... Didn't you hear? Lane is more successful than Rory AND Paris because she (still) has a husband and kids! LOL.
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On 30/11/2016 at 11:25 AM, junienmomo said:
The idea that I can't get out of my head, and I don't like it, is killing off Luke. It would reinvigorate Lorelai's arc
I'd actually pay good money for that.
QuoteI feel kind of bad for Matt the actor/person having to assassinate a character he obviously cares about portraying. (Okay, some of that is carried over from The Good Wife because his character got shafted there as well.)
Logan's character was indeed assassinated in the revival. I actively felt sorry for his fans. No rationalization of the "dinastyc plan" is enough. Like another poster has said, Logan isn't the son of an Earl. He's definitely no Princess Margaret and has got the survival of the monarchy to think of (sorry, "The Crown" is still on the back of my mind).
I didn't know Cary Agos got the shaft as well but I'm not surprised. I never watched The Good Wife religiously or anything but he was by far the most interesting character for me and I already could tell he was criminally underused. I did not need to fall for another blonde boy in a suit whose potential would get wasted. "Alias" was bad enough.
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13 hours ago, pennben said:
I thought it interesting that a NYT tv critic posited on twitter that a fan (perhaps one referred to as a casual fan) of the show generally enjoyed the revival, but a super fan did not. That's probably far too general, but likely approaches the mark.
Ha, I very much disagree with that statement. From what I've seen, the most passionate criticisms are things people didn't like in the original show in the first place that carried over or got enhanced in the revival. Be it the girls' personalities/flaws, be it ASP's inability handling social issues. The revival stayed very true to the flavor of Gilmore Girls. The good and the bad. I'd find it hard to call superfans those who felt the original show didn't get changed enough to enjoy the revival.
Gilmore Girls: A Year in the Life Season 1
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Lady Calypso, I completely agree that Rory's character "peaked in highschool" (as she would put it). But I also believe her not prepairing for the Sandee Says Job, falling asleep during an interview, not taking full advantage of the GQ article about NY lines, hell even the whole thing with both Logan and Paul were ALL symptoms of the same disease. Girl was burnt out.