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2 minutes ago, dancingdreamer said:
I had hoped Austin and Dee would cancel one another out. Jake couldn't get a word in, if had wanted to. Katurah, you'd of won if you had voted out Dee.
Sorry but I don't see Katurah winning as a likely scenario.
Had she voted Dee out, she is still at the mercy of the challenge winner. Based on her performance in reality, there's no way she beats out Jake, Julie and Austin. She was a distant third until Jake DQed himself by breaking the challenge apparatus.
I tend to think that none of the winners bring her in, because they do respect her being able to talk and make connections. Jake's main hope is that Julie and Austin split the Reba vote and leave some room for him to sneak in. I could see Julie/Austin wanting to be the solo Reba member. But they also don't want to give the other an additional line on their resume; fought my way to get here by making fire.
If she is made to make fire, she probably loses. She had the most pathetic firemaking attempt in my memory.
But let's say she lives in the world where she gets to the end, somehow.
What's her pitch? I got rid of Dee. I faced my fear with the water. Anything else? Is that good enough against any of the others?
How does she defend her game? She failed to see that Reba was running things, failed to rally Belo to counteract things, failed to make any strong alliances, was basically a toady till the 5 vote. In the hypothetical world where she arranged to vote Dee off, Jake probably gets and deserves more credit for it.
Where are Katurah's potentially winning votes coming from? If Austin is the only Reba option, one has to assume anyone who voted Austin would vote for him this go around, and that without Dee to vote for, several of those people would also vote Austin. If Austin is not an option, one would think that Julie gets the votes of the Reba 3 on the jury, plus Caleb, plus Emily. I dare say Julie wins a Julie/Katurah/Jake F3 with 6+ votes, and possibly she wins a unanimous vote.
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On 12/16/2023 at 1:53 PM, millennium said:
I hope Austin feels as stupid as he looked in this episode. Done in by a misguided attempt to redeem his past as a chubby nerd. Oh my God, a cool girl likes me!
I don't know what he sees in Dee, other than she's the only female his age left on the island who isn't lesbian. I get that Dee playing him is part of the game, but it's hard to watch. It isn't just an alliance or friendship she's messing with, it's his emotions, and it feels dirty. Some I'm sure applaud the strategy but I suspect if the genders were reversed Austin would be loathed.
People's mileage may vary, but even putting aside Dee's being hot (which I think she is), it seems to me that Dee is smart and funny, which goes a long way. She's got riz, as the kids today apparently call charisma. Yes, she has been (probably correctly) labeled a mean girl, but I would guess that when a mean girl allows you in her inner circle, it is a pretty big ego boost.
And I do not think that the emotions in the showmance are a one-way street. I think Dee feels something for Austin too...it's just that she is not going to let li'l Dee get in the way of big Dee's thinking, or $1 million. It's not her fault that Austin is -- also in the parlance of kids today -- a total simp so far. The question is whether he's going to wake up at the 11th hour and realize that a) Dee has played him a couple times and b) his chances of winning in a F3 with Dee are probably non-existent.
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2 hours ago, Hanahope said:
I think Swan figured out something bad was going on and brought his army buddies in on it. But they were all discovered. I can’t see anyone owning a dog they care about letting it die. Even if swan was away he’d have someone get his dog. Swan is dead.
It's funny because in real life, I would tend to agree with you. People care about their pets as much as flesh-and-blood children.
But in Hollywood, somebody who is hypothetically OK with his buddies getting killed to facilitate some sort of major drug/terrorism transaction might be cold-blooded enough to let their dog dehydrate to death as part of a scheme to make people think he was dead.
I hope the show surprises me and has no traitors, but I wouldn't put any money on it.
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It would seem to me based on genre conventions:
1. At least one of the special investigators is a double-agent or is in some way working for the bad guys
2. At least one of the special investigators is going to be killed by the end of the season.
3. Reacher can't die or be arrested despite his multiple homicides, obviously
4. Neagley can't die or be arrested
My money has been on O'Donnell being dirty and dying in a redemption arc.
I would find it interesting if Dixon was dirty, but I don't see that happening.
But with the introduction of Swan as a New Age employee who was posing next to the bad guy in a company photo, it's possible/probable that he is responsible for whatever is going on.
Have they bothered to say anything about the black guy marksman?
Is it just me, or shouldn't they have figured out Robert Patrick's character has something to do with this without the cowboy shit? I mean they are looking for something that happened over the course of seven months and is connected to $65 million. You have to suspect people at the top are involved, and that's where Robert Patrick is (presumably)
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1 hour ago, bunnyface said:
i do think this season is Dee's to lose, but I have also come to realize I like my winners to overcome a bit of adversity to win. I don't remember Dee ever being in any real danger this season and has basically run things. (Of course I may have forgotten something, I'm not sure what happened yesterday sometimes.) But I don't remember her ever being in danger. I realize I kind of like an underdog story. To that end, Jake would be the perfect winner for me, but I don't think that is going to happen. If Dee doesn't screw up majorly, and why would she at this point, I think it's hers.
To my way of thinking, things hinge on Julie and Austin realizing that their path to winning is easier without Dee than with Dee. I think Julie could potentially win against Dee, but I don't think Austin can.
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6 minutes ago, OldWiseOne said:
He didn't have any particular reason to think his close ally Drew was in danger either, so I don't think this counts as a strike against him.
I think he knew or at least should have suspected that Julie was gunning for Drew. He may have explicitly talked about there being war between Julie and Drew. He took Katurah on reward rather than his boy Drew specifically so he would be in a position to babysat Julie.
Austin knew (or should have known) that Dee and Julie were tight and should therefore have suspected Dee of lying to him when she said she didn't tell Julie about the plan to oust Julie. If Julie is taking on Drew, so might Dee be, so that's possibly two votes to go after Drew. All it then takes are Katurah and Jake to flip to mean Drew goes bye-bye.
Maybe Austin thought through the scenarios and decided that there also was a chance he might be blindsided, or maybe he doesn't value Drew's safety that highly.
But I think it's fair game when you're talking about "who's the most deserving" to point out that despite having the physical talents, two idols and a strong alliance, Austin never initiated anything, never thought for himself (besides wanting a sandwich) and has gotten outmaneuvered a couple of times.
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So to take a look at each remaining player's Survivor resume:
Dee
-Won two individual immunities, one reward
-Had a hand in pretty much every vote out since the merge (I think?)
-Formed tight bonds with Reba 4 and with them controlled the game
-Got basically everyone to simultaneously trust her since the Merge except Kaleb, who correctly assessed that she was the most dangerous person early on but got no one to listen
-Instrumental in saving Julie
Austin
-Won one individual immunity, one reward
-Part of the Reba 4 who has controlled the game since the Merge
But made several tactical errors
-Gave his idol to Julie for not-particularly good reasons, apparently never asked for it back
-Targeted Julie prematurely
-Told Dee that he was targeting Julie, allowing them to scheme to save Julie
-Fell for Dee's obvious lie that she had not told Julie about her being targeted
-Played idol for himself when he didn't have any particular reason to think he was in danger and when he could have used it to save his close ally Drew
Julie
-Runner-up in a couple of challenges
-Well loved by all players as "Mama J" and thought of as a FTC threat
-Survived an attempt to boot her thanks to an Idol
-Part of the Reba 4 that ran things since the Merge
Jake
-Survived a couple attempts to boot him
-Found an idol which he may now play to some effect
-Funny and seemingly likeable
Katurah
-Outlasted Bruce
-Overcame her fear of water through Survivor
Am I missing anything?
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Drew, you Napoleon Dynamite looking MF, they didn't vote for Pedro, they voted for you! Gosh!
I am here for some bitter jury speech from Drew.
Things I knew as I was watching for 100 percent sure:
Dee was going to win this feet-related challenge.
Drew was going home if he didn't win immunity.
Things I did not know:
That people not named Austin would apparently buy that Dee didn't tell Julie she was in danger, girl.
Dee is making it look like it's Patrick Mahomes up against some Pee Wee Football players.
I wonder if Julie realizes that she should be trying to get Dee and Austin out.
I also wonder if, despite having no Survivor accomplishments worth listing, Katurah could possibly run a perfect game.
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I'd forgotten that Johnathan had the punishment pass. It absolutely was not a punishment worth getting out of or a reward worth seeking, even with the free kitchen stuff.
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36 minutes ago, fishcakes said:
Also Yul Kwon, Yale Law grad, winner of Cook Islands, all-around hot nerd.
Wow, that's a pretty big omission.
So of lawyers/law students/ex-lawyers who made it to a final tribal council, there's been three winners in Yul, Nick and Cochran, and it might be that they've batted 1000.
So circling back, I think that illustrates it's possibly a good idea to keep the info that you're a lawyer hidden.
I remember a couple seasons back there was a dude who hid the fact that he was a salesman. And I'm like, Yep, good move. Except his personality so screamed all the negative stereotypes of a used car salesman any way that it probably didn't make much of difference.
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7 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:
So who got booted? Please tell me it wasn't Ryan!
Atoye. She had a mini-breakdown during service and got pep talks from both Dahmere and GR.
GR said the best people on each team (Dahmere and Leigh) had to nominate two teammates.
They showed Dahmere interviewing each of his team, and in the interview with Atoye, they showed him saying he loved her and hugging her and what not, but didn't show the "obviously I'm putting you up part" of the talk. And they showed Ryan saying basically "obviously, I don't think I deserve to go up." and Dahmere saying, essentially, "It's my decision and I'll make up my own mind who I send up, boyo." (He didn't have the boyo part).
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It seems more and more like Dahmere's season to lose. I really appreciated the way he bucked Atoye up during service. I probably have watched each season of HK minus a few episodes here and there. But I can't remember someone going out of their way to support a teammate like he did. Nor do I remember other teammates praising someone else as a good leader, as Johnathan did.
Sorry editors, you aren't going to fake me out into believing that Dahmere is going to put Ryan up for elimination when Atoye messed up and Ryan didn't in any meaningful way that we were shown, and when Atoye's mess-ups required both him and Ramsay to talk to her.
They did fake me out into thinking that Carmen might quit though. She didn't seem into it any more.
I had thought Donya would make it to the black jackets, but now I think it will be Leigh joining Sammi, Ryan, Dahmere and Jonathan. Donya seems to have had too much difficulty during services. Maybe she will bounce back(tm) and do well from hereon in.
Jason continues to write checks with his mouth that his actual cooking can't cash.
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3 hours ago, srhall79 said:
The list of lawyer contestants left off Nick Wilson, who successfully argued his case in David v. Goliath.
I'm sad to see Emily go, but, she lasted 10 episodes longer than expected. Bragging about the Bruce vote was the wrong move. Hell, the Bruce vote was the wrong move. If she had used her powers of persuasion, "They're all against you. I've got to vote against you too, because if you don't believe me I'm not blowing up my game. But, you play your idol, you write down Julie's name, we break the Reba 4 and take control." Hindsight, yes, but Emily already got from Drew and Austin, "You're our favorite... after Dee and Julie."
I'm also annoyed as we seem to be in one of those seasons where people just roll over. Jake tried to make some moves, but I think he needed to try earlier. Now that Bruce is voted off, Katurah can get back to playing for 5th.
The Reba 4 seem like the embodiment of when Jeff says "You have a 1 in 4 shot at a million dollars" because I'm not seeing any of them really rising above the others. It's going to be hard for any of them to really point out "this was _my_ outsmarting people" instead of "this was _our_ outsmarting people." I guess Julie is "nice" but I don't know I want to vote for someone because "she felt bad each time she voted us off." Maybe Dee gets points for "I have Austin so wrapped around my finger that he screw up his chance for a big move."Thanks for the correction the lawyer who got there.
Peachy seems to have given up "guaranteed a one in X shot at a million dollars" along with "Come on in, guys!" Which makes me happy because it wasn't true. Each remaining player simply does not have equal odds of winning. It is just not true to think that Dee and Jake have the same odds of winning. A big pet peeve of mine, and I don't think he's said it for the last couple of seasons or i think I would have remembered being triggered by it.
That said, the Reba 4 probably have some ways to distinguish themselves from each other when it gets down to it. Keeping in mind that there still are key developments in the game to happen, and someone in the four is not making it to the FTC. It's possible that two of the four aren't making it, because either Katurah or Jake could get brought along as a goat or one of them could go on an immunity run/find a key idol or advantage/wake up and actually convince members of the Reba 4 to break up the band. Hell, it's even conceivable (though doubtful) that one of the Reba 4 gets the idea to try to bring along BOTH Katurah and Jake knowing that then they could argue a clearer choice between them as the one who was behind the dominant alliance and two people who have (thus far) done nothing of note.
Will Bruce's pocket idol or Julie/Austin's idol be reseeded and found? Maybe.
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18 minutes ago, watch2much said:
what was interesting to me was that Austin felt he had to tell Dee about the vote or she would "never trust him again" and it would hurt the relationship. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Dee tell Julie, without telling Austin, and even said she had to vote for Julie so the others wouldn't know, to keep up the deception? so it seems she has less concern about an eventual relationship.
I was under the assumption that when Austin told Dee he must have figured that there was a possibility that Dee would tell Julie. He might have hoped that she wouldn't but I just can't conceive of Austin being so dumb that he didn't think it was at least some possibility.
I even think in the conversation that was shown, his attitude was "Do what you have to do with this info."
If Austin (and the others, but particularly Austin) don't piece together that it was Dee who told Julie, then I don't know what to say.
It's obvious that Dee and Julie are tight. It's obvious Drew and Emily didn't tell her. I can't think of any reason why Katurah or Jake would have told her. The only reasonable culprits would be Austin and Dee.
There's the notion that Julie's Spidey-sense was tingling and she just spontaneously played the idol, I suppose. But I can't imagine Austin not revealing that he told Dee when questioned by Drew.
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3 hours ago, Carey said:
Upon seeing the list Chicago Redshirt posted, it's time to have a elusive Attorney Survivor season
Apparently former Survivor contestant Tyson joked that they should have an all-attorney season where all the contestants pretend to not be attorneys. :)
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19 minutes ago, violet and green said:
a) He said he was hoping she'd give it back. The fact he just hoped and didn't ask suggests he is quite passive, and the fact Dee is dominating him and puppeteering him and he is enthralled with her suggests he is malleable and likes to please, and asking might have displeased Julie (and posssibly Dee), and he didn't want to rock the boat in his alliance.
b) I have read elsewhere the amulet idol was definitely not transferrable.
Thanks.
I suppose Austin should familiarize himself with the famous quote from Frederick Douglass, "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will."
I almost get that asking right before you're planning to boot someone off is a little much, but in the two-three days (not sure how many) since he loaned it, to have literally never said, OK you're safe, now give it back...?
That's some not good game play right there.
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The above list doesn't include people who are or were law students. For instance, Kane in a recent year was a law student.
And Cochran who won the whole thing attended Harvard Law. I just found out through googling that he is a writer on Star Trek: Lower Decks, which is awesome and good for him!
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32 minutes ago, eel2178 said:
Her whole "I'm Not Telling Anyone I'm a Lawyer" schtick because she thought it would get her farther in the game is just plain dumb.
I think they cast 4 lawyers this season, so no one probably would have even thought twice about it if she had told people what she did for a living, yet she thinks she has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes somehow.
I think that they cast three lawyers this season, all of whom are still here: Katurah, Julie and Jake. Jake is the only one who is openly admitting he's a lawyer, I believe.
I don't think it's "just plain dumb" to hide your identity as an attorney. It's hard to say with any given cast, but in general:
1. I would suspect that people might think of lawyers as less trustworthy than others, and seek to vote them out.
2. I would suspect that jurors might think of lawyers as likely to be richer than the average person and therefore jurors would be less likely to give them $1 million over someone who "needs the money" more.
3. I would suspect that people might think that lawyers would do a better closing argument to the jury than non-lawyers and therefore would want to prevent them from getting to the FTC. (Never mind that most lawyers aren't trial lawyers...of the three we have this season, only Jake is).
From this list of attorney-contestants I found on Reddit (so I can't vouch for its accuracy/completeness), there have been plenty of attorneys on Survivor, but seemingly few who got to argue why they should be given a million:
Stacy Stillman (Borneo 14th place)
Nick Brown (Australia 7th place)
Paschal English (Marquesas 4th place)
Deena Bennett (Amazon 8th place)
Andrew Savage (Pearl Islands 10th place, Cambodia th place)
Eliza Orlins (Vanuatu 4th place, Micronesia 10th place)
Caryn Groedel (Palau 5th place)
Willard Smith (Palau 13/14th place)
Jolanda Jones (Palau 18th place)
Brooke Struck (Guatemala 15th place)
Bobby Mason (Panama Exile Island 12th place)
Becky Lee (Cook Islands 3th place)
Alex Angarita (Fiji 6th place)
Charlie Herschel (Gabon 9th place)
Dan Kay (Gabon 11th place)
Candance Smith (Tocantins 15th place)
Russell Swan (Samoa evacuated, Philippines 15th place)
Liz Kim (Samoa 13th place)
Monica Padilla (Samoa 7th place, Cambodia 16th place)
Jaison Robinson (Samoa 5th place)
Francesca Hogi (Redemption Island 18th place, Caramoan 20th place)
Kristina Kell (Redemption Island 16th place)
David Murphy (Redemption Island 12th place)
Matt Quinlan (One World 16th place)
Hope Driskill (Caramoan 18th place)
Kass McQuillen (Cagayan 3th place, Cambodia 13th place)
Hali Ford (Worlds Apart 11th place)
The aforementioned "Chaos Kass" didn't get to argue her case, because it was a F2 tribal council, and Woo cost himself a million by choosing to take Tony over her.
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1 hour ago, fishcakes said:
Drew, telling Austin about the Julie vote, as if it's not obvious from space how inexplicably smitten Austin is.
Inexplicably? Haaaaaaaaave you met Dee...or her feet?
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24 minutes ago, PaperTree said:
Austin is not very bright?
Possibly true, but Drew isn't stupid (although presumably not as smart as he thinks he is). And I believe Drew knew Julie had Austin's idol. Even if Austin was dumb enough to not initially ask for the idol back, why did they act like trying to send Julie home with it in her pocket was the only option as opposed to asking it back at this episode?
Presumably in the past no one has said, "Sorry, you're never gonna get it" (h/t En Vogue) because doing so would likely be a dealbreaker for jury votes.
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I do really wish that they had Austin or Julie or someone explain why
a) Austin didn't repossess the idol he gave Julie immediately after it turned out she didn't need it. I don't think I remember anyone just giving an idol to someone and not asking for it back almost immediately.
b) Why Austin gave her the "better" idol (in that it has power for an extra tribal)
Anybody have any ideas?
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1 hour ago, GenerationX said:
Why not stare at the rope puzzle for as long as you can get away with before flipping the hourglass?
With no idol, a tenuous small alliance, and having just made a big move, the safer play was to risk your vote.
If you are not confident in your ability to do puzzles, it might not matter how long you stare at it. There was an especially daunting warning that a bunch of people had already failed at this particular puzzle. Which I am not sure about. Did this air in previous seasons and I just forgot about it?
Also, Emily recently experienced losing her vote and not being able to get it back by solving a puzzle, so that might have shaken her confidence/skewed her perspective.
While I agree that in general, it seems like it would be smarter in Emily's situation to risk it for the biscuit, I can see the flipside too.
That flipside being:
1. Being without a vote is being powerless, and being powerless sucks.
2. It was unlikely that there would be four votes put against her. She hadn't been a target up till now, and there were easier people to continue to target as well as bigger threats. Jake for one, since he was kind of lucky to have survived the last couple of tribals. There was the possibility that there would have been a plan to go after the Reba 4.
3. She may have felt like she had inroads with Drew/Austin, and could count on them to not vote her out.
Her going home was sort of a fluke on a fluke on a fluke. If Austin hadn't let his hormones get the best of him, he would have just let Julie get blindsided. But he felt like he needed to warn Dee, who he had to know would warn Julie. And Julie focused on Emily when she could have just as easily written down anyone besides Drew.
What gets me is that they apparently didn't even discuss a vote split here, even though a) they had to know there was a possibility of Julie playing an idol and b) They apparently had the votes to put one or two on Backup Plan Jake.
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For what it's worth, Katurah works/worked for the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund and Mama Julie works/worked as a wills and trust attorney according to Above the Law and other Internet stuff.
The skill sets for those jobs overlap in some ways and are very different from Jake's public defender gig.
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On 10/27/2023 at 6:34 PM, rmontro said:
I don't understand why Picard's "retired Admiral" rank was suddenly enough to take command, when it wasn't before. I guess it was supposedly because he suddenly woke up and acted with authority?
Picard and Riker were hoping to capitalize on it being the big Federation holiday to make it seem as though the Federation would allow a big shot like him to have a ceremonial role and do what he wants. The idea was that normally a captain might fanboy over Picard and do what he wants in such a situation. A gambit that might have worked if Captain Shaw was less careful and or antagonistic.
By contrast, in previous times there was no cover story for why Starfleet might just give even a momentary command of a starship to an ex-Admiral, and there would have been plenty of reasons for a random captain to call the bluff if they tried to use it.
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S45.E13: Living the Survivor Dream
in Survivor
I've been trying with no success to try to understand what Katurah was trying to accomplish by switching her vote from Dee to Julie. I'm not having any luck other than two: Katurah is a dummy (which I'm pretty sure she's not) or Katurah tanked the vote at the behest of the Survivor PTB who wanted to avoid a Dee elimination and to have their Rob/Amber 2.0 (which I'm perhaps naive about but tend to doubt that the producers would manipulate things like that).
Assuming Jake is untrustworthy, and is voting for someone else other than Dee, how does her voting Julie change things in her favor?