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So I was trying to figure out if the superior who tried to screw over Operation Kite Runner was somehow involved in this Little Wing deal, and that seems like too much of a stretch even for this.
But if it turns out that guy is somehow involved, I want a No-Prize.
I really wonder why Langston would think that Reacher would self-surrender to his line of BS, and why Reacher would even possibly consider doing so, and why Langston and his mean don't immediately doublecross Reacher and shoot him dead other than super-duper plot armor.
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Late to the party, but I have some sympathy for Uche. It's not (overly) judgmental to say "I don't want to be with someone who would cheat on somebody who had been in a two year relationship and was willing to cheat on her partner and refused to be honest about it after the fact." Though it sucks that her ex probably found out through either watching this or through the grapevine once this came out.
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1 hour ago, Raja said:
No, those mercenaries were smart. They hired on as door gunners, not to get on the ground with a world class shooting human tank like that foolish hit man who climbed a building into an ambush in Atlantic City. To paraphrase the Chief in Apocalypse Now, "don't ever get off of the bird".
They wouldn't have to get off the helicopter. The helicopter would just have to hover to a height within range of their semi-automatic rifles but out of the effective range of Reacher's handgun. Reacher was IIRC in the complete open with no cover. It should be an easy kill.
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12 hours ago, jsm1125 said:
In what world does it make sense for Katurah to go to rocks at the Kaleb vote, when she and Jake had a 2/3 shot of being rocked out of the game? Wouldn’t Austin have seen those odds and then been willing to risk rocks?
None. Katurah was absolutely right that Jake's "plan" to try to save Kaleb was a stupid one and was absolutely right to not go along with it at that point.
But even without the benefit of hindsight, it should have been obvious that it would have benefited old Belo to try and pull Kaleb and Emily in an alliance against Reba. Or to start targeting Reba to ensure Belo maintained the numbers. Or to truly make cross-tribe alliances so that might trump any Reba-Strong sort of situation. Or do anything besides just implode.
I think that this might have collectively been the worst group of players in the half-dozen or so seasons I've watched in their entirety. Basically out of the 18 or so, only Kaleb, Emily and the Reba four showed any glimpse of understanding strategy and being able to execute it. You had a couple of quitters, a few more self-delusional people, and people whose strategy seemed to be cutting of their noses to spite their faces.
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I LOLed because at the end of the day, this was an elaborate setup and only Jason gets bounced. I was super-surprised when Carmen made the black-jacket squad because she hasn't seemed like all that strong a chef. But my prediction is she's the next to go. I also was faked out by Ryan not getting sent home.
My unspoiled speculation would be:
Carmen
Sammi
Ryan
Leigh
Dahmere over Johnathan in the finals.
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I don't really want Russo to be dead but they played the sad music of dying, him asking for Neagley's hand is indicative of him knowing that he's a goner, the genre convention pretty much says there has to be an ally who falls, and it doesn't seem like there's much else for him to do. So until shown otherwise, I'm presuming he's dead. Even if it would have been nice to have a Rocky 4-like ending with him throwing that first punch at Reacher and a freeze-frame.
I know that one should not try to nitpick a show like this, but it's just unavoidable for me. Pretty much everything that happened was avoidable and/or nonsensical.
Once Russo figured out who from NYPD snitched on Team Reacher, the absolute stupidest thing to do was to confront that dude in his home solo. Dude could have shot him right there, or informed New Age to do the job.
Why not just tell Bent Dude's boss or investigate him on the downlow? Last season there was a reason that Finlay and Love Interest couldn't go through conventional law enforcement channels: it was a small town and there was no telling who was part of the conspiracy. In this case, there's presumably some people in NYPD who would be interested in some of their own being complicit in a number of murders, attempted murders and a terrorist plot.
If you have to confront Bent Dude, why not have wear a wire? Given who plays Russo, the character should know: When you walk through the garden, you got to watch your back. (Get it?) Anyway, if the thought was to get information about New Age or what it was plotting, it might have been nice to have it on tape.
There is absolutely no reason for Team Reacher to put Janie with Russo except to potentially put her in danger. No one knew where Marlo was, so Janie would be safe at Sassy Friend's if they still need to use Marlo as bait. Which, by the way, they didn't really. It shouldn't be too tough to figure out where Langston is and to grab and kill him if that's all they want to do. But anyways, assuming that Sassy Friend no longer wants anything to do with Marlo (a fair possibility), why is it not fine to just put the teen up in any no-tell motel in the greater NY area (or even on a plane to wherever) using the infinite resources and fake IDs of Team Reacher not a better option? Janie definitely seems old enough that she can be on her own for a few hours.
Team Bad Guys thinks that the best way for them is to start spraying with their automatic weapons from a distance over the course of miles, when there's no indication Russo is on to them. Why not drive up much closer and make sure you've got a kill shot? How is it possible that the cops aren't alerted to the use of automatic gunfire in a residential neighborhood and again for miles, or at least do not intervene and do not get on the scene until after Team Reacher do?
How do the bad guys not manage to kill Russo way earlier when he's pinned in? Why does Russo go from a place of relative safety to the open?
After you summon a helicopter with two guys with automatic weapons, you shouldn't have to be like Run away! Run away!. Take those new resources and take Reacher out.
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On 1/2/2024 at 2:21 PM, Hanahope said:
I still don't get why Katura did not trust Jake. I don't recall seeing any scene where he said he was voting for one person, then changing to vote for another.
Sure, he's out for himself, but wouldn't that suggest he'd want to take out a big target like Dee, rather than someone playing so under the radar we barely remember her, Katura, or someone who is the nice mama, but except for endurance type challenges (which the final challenges are definitely not), hasn't even come close to winning, Julie? Jake couldn't take out Austin, so Dee was absolutely the next logical choice.
its a shame that Katura didn't think it through. Who knows who would have won that final challenge and who would have gone to fire otherwise.
That said, Dee is fine winner. She definitely showed her chops in winning challenges, strategy and social game. Her winning really made we wish they did the older type reunion and winner announcement so she could have shared it with her family on stage.
But the thing is, Jake did not exactly play a logical game. He wanted to make big moves so bad that he was capable of trying anything, despite the possibility of it blowing up in his face or not making sense. Remember how he tried to "save" Kaleb in a plan that would require people to risk going to rocks? As the segment from the interview below shows, Katurah does.
The TLDR of the interview is that it took a lot longer than we were shown to get Jake off Julie and onto Dee. But Katurah says her spidey-sense was tingling about Jake being up to something and so that caused her to flip. I still don't get why it caused her to make this particular flip, as voting Julie isn't likely to help Katurah.
Also keep in mind that Katurah could be spinning, self-deceiving, after-the-fact rationalizing, etc. Like when she says that she would have won in a F3 without Dee, that's just wrong.
https://ew.com/survivor-45-katurah-topps-finale-mistake-still-haunts-me-interview-8418971
QuoteENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: You were laser focused on getting Dee out of this game. You convinced Jake to go along with you, he swore on his Nana, and then you switched your vote to Julie at the last second. What led to that change?
KATURAH TOPPS: Oh my God, Dalton. It is the moment that still haunts me to date. It was so right there, and nobody beats me up about that more than me, so I totally get why everybody's like, “What is going on?” Honestly, it just came down to trust. I mean, they showed it a little bit in the episode that I really was working to convince Jake. He was laser focused on it had to be Julie, and I was like, “No, you don't get it.” And I literally laid out, “This will happen at five, this will happen at four, and every scenario that Dee is still in the game after five, we lose.” And I thought that maybe pulling him in on that would kind of get him on the same page with me.
It took hours though, all afternoon. I was drilling him and he finally did come around, to his credit. He was like, “I'm on board with the plan.” But I knew that Jake had a history of really wanting to make big moves so bad that I thought sometimes he overlooked the strategic part of what was happening. Me and Jake had worked so closely with the Kaleb thing at the merge split, and I remembered being like, “Why would he ever think as a Survivor player that going to rocks at final 12 makes sense?"
And then if you are going to try to convince somebody to do it, why would you think that telling them moments before? You're confirming all their suspicions that they were on the outs, that they have been excluded, and that you guys aren't going to add them or see them as a true alliance? Moments like that were in my head at that final five. We've been here with Jake before. We've had him pitch something crazy or want to do something so flashy that he forgets what's important. And my gut kept saying, "He's lying about something." Every alarm bell in my body [was going off].
I remember that feeling so strongly, and my life, my background, the way I've grown up, the things I've seen — you guys got a little bit of that in the show. I've seen some horrors. It has been hard. It's been rough, and I've learned that I need to listen to that. If my body is saying “Alert! Alert! Alert! This person is lying to me,” it literally has meant life or death. It literally could mean you may be homeless, something terrible may happen. And I just couldn't shake the feeling. And it was like you always listen to it and it's always right.
Honestly, I knew that Jake was hiding and lying about something. I thought it was that he would write my name down, and it turned out that the thing he was lying and hiding about was that he was going to play his idol for me, which is so crazy. Strategically, I didn't really vibe with what Jake was doing. I was like, “Why'd you tell Austin that you have an idol? Everybody knows you have this idol. You're saying you're going to play it for yourself, but I'm getting some energy from you that's saying, I got a special trick up my sleeve.” And what I've seen is Jake's tricks up his sleeve don't always benefit me and aren't always strategically where I think they should be.
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What is Russo doing thinking that he can hand Reacher a beatdown, though? Putting aside the facts that Reacher has at least a half-foot and like 50 pounds of muscle on him, combat training, and doesn't have a badge or anything or anybody to answer to, Russo has to know that Reacher has killed a lot of people. It strikes me as ridiculous that Russo would be like "One of these days, Reacher, right in the kisser!"
So could it be that no one actually close to Reacher is a traitor? Reacher did say that Russo has a rat in his house, which means by genre rules Russo's immediate boss is that rat, rather than some character we haven't been introduced to.
But I would say that there has to be an actual betrayer who has a more direct connection to Reacher since lieutenant who Reacher has never met doesn't count as treachery.
I agree that the show having all this incriminating evidence against Swan means that Swan is actually innocent. I think now that we've seen O'Donnell's rugrats and wife, he is likely innocent too. There is no chance Neagley or Dixon could be crooked.
Maybe one of the feds that Reacher and O'Donnell met with in this episode?
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On 12/23/2023 at 5:31 AM, arc said:
I was alternately charmed and put off by the cheesy neo-noir dialogue. The cyberpunk/Blade Runner aesthetics were superb, though.
Why did Nebula even need Yon-Rogg to hack the door to the mainframe? She's a cyborg with incredible hacking abilities herself, as seen both in GOTG3 and this episode right here. ... and then she got double-crossed by the Kree guy she busted out of jail in order to foil the big bad Ronan, who's... also a Kree guy.
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Gotta say, as someone who enjoys the MCU but forgets vast swaths of it very quickly, I'm always thrown by the MCU Nova Corps not having super powers, unlike the comics.
And as with S1, I remain impressed that Marvel Studios convinced so many of the live action actors to reprise their roles for this.
Yon-Rogg is positioned as an expert in Xandarian security. As much as Nebula might be a cyborg and expert at actually hacking security, she didn't recognize the schematic she first saw for the security and she might not/did not have the context to make her way to where to find it or to get through what security was between her and the final boss.
I don't know if it is clear what level of tech the MCU Nova Corps might have at their disposal. Just because we haven't seen any flying or really doing much more than contemporary real-world Earth police officers other than flying spaceships doesn't mean that there aren't ones who can jetpack around and who have some level of enhanced strength through tech.
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On 12/25/2023 at 2:38 AM, arc said:
How does one even obtain Hulk blood? Isn't he nigh invulnerable?
Emphasis on "nigh."
It's possible to get blood from Bruce Banner while he's Hulked out. I believe we have been shown/told in the MCU that he has bled as Hulk.
I believe that Thanos beat him so badly in Infinity War that he was bleeding. In the series Secret Invasion, Fury tells us that all Avengers, even Captain Marvel, bled during the battle depicted in Endgame.
We also have the miracle metal vibranium, which can do whatever the plot needs it to do, so it's possible that someone crafted a needle of it and took a sample from Hulk.
But it is also possible that they took a sample of Bruce's blood when he was in "puny Banner" form. It still would be Hulk blood and possible to experiment on it.
In the She-Hulk series, blood from Bruce while he was puny Banner got into one of his cousin's wounds and gave her Hulk abilities. Someone later injected Jen while she was in puny Jen form in an attempt to give Hulk-like abilities to another character.
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On 12/25/2023 at 6:16 PM, arc said:
Honestly, I didn't think Tessa Thompson voiced Valkyrie this time, and yet she did. <shrug> Whereas I figured RDJ didn't come back to do AU Iron Man, but Mick Wingert was nearly spot on as the replacement. Really solid.
The plot felt like a movie cut down to a 30 minute TV episode. Not enough time to explain why Valkyrie would throw in with Korg and Tony, or the Grandmaster would accept the challenge. As Topaz pointed out, the Grandmaster already ruled Sakaar, so it'd be a bet with no upside.
But the racing was fun enough, Iron Man did funny and cool Iron Man things, and I'm still not too annoyed by Korg yet.
The potential upsides for Grandmaster:
1. He gets to win Tony's shiny new armor
2. He doesn't seem a coward in front of his entire planet, and crushes a possible rallying point, thus potentially staving off a revolution and remaining in power. Remember, in this episode, it's clear that he's having trouble keeping people fed. The games are part of a bread-and-circuses strategy that are more important when there's not enough bread.
3. Beating the newly hyped Metal Mojo Man is in itself something that he'd want as an ego boost in general
4. Grandmaster is (classically in the comics, and at least hinted in the MCU) basically addicted to gambling and games. As one of the Elders of the Universe, he has spent millennia on contests of chance. Asking why he would accept the challenge is like asking why a fat kid would want an extra slice of pie.
5. There are no downsides he would perceive, because he would control the course, the cars and pretty much everything. He shouldn't have been able to lose.
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1 minute ago, marinw said:
I always imagined them as musty and gross. 🤢 How would Borg even shower?
Personal hygiene is irrelevant. :)
More seriously, since sonic showers are things, I imagine that if they thought such a thing would be useful, they could probably have a built-in device that would allow such a shower.
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On 9/17/2023 at 5:47 PM, Cattoy said:
I know my issue with Mariner is that she joined Star Fleet willingly. She knew what it was going to be like better than most people. It's been long established that getting into Star Fleet Academy isn't easy. Getting assigned to something other than Starbase 80 is a privilege. She's taking the place of someone who wants to be there. And she doesn't care that she's prevented someone who actually wanted to join from being there.
I've only seen bits and pieces of Voyager, but I recognized all the throwbacks. Maybe that's why I never cared for it too much - I've seen the worst episodes.
Definitely glad the gang got promoted! I was afraid the show would keep them stuck as ensigns for the entire run of the series. I can't imagine watching an entire cast of Ensign Kims would be much fun in the long run.
I would first say that given the utopian nature of the Federation, it's certainly not the given that Mariner's presence in either the Academy or Starfleet prevented anyone who wanted to join either and was qualified to do so from joining.
In our present, there are economic constraints and ideological constraints that prevent people from pursuing any given dream. In the Star Trek future, those have largely been removed.
In any case, I think the show has made clear prior to this episode that Mariner was eager and ambitious when she was in Starfleet Academy. Her Academy classmate remembers her as such. So even if we were to operate under the notion that there are only limited placements at the Academy, Mariner wanted to be there back then.
It's also been clear that somehow she got jaded/frightened/experienced some things, and that contributed to her issues about promotion and Starfleet.
Yet at the same time she has criticized Starfleet, she has made clear that she values most aspects of it and wants to be there.
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On 9/21/2023 at 7:55 AM, marinw said:
How woul know what Borg smells like?
Although doubtful, it's possible that T'Lyn has had a firsthand encounter with the Borg, or a Borg.
We do know from a previous season of LD that there are holodeck scenarios programmed with Borg (Boimler kept running a scenario to try to perfect score it), so that may have given her knowledge.
Finally, she could have just read up on previous encounters with the Borg, and the survivors described how Borg smell. I would imagine that there would be a lot written by the TNG crew about their encounters with the Borg that would be available to members of the general public and even more to Starfleet officers.
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I wonder if the singing goblin was called Janice/Janis as a tribute to Janis Joplin, the Muppet singer from Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem or if it was just a coincidence. (Don't eat me, goblins!)
I also wonder if they are going to have Ncuti's Doctor have real romantic/sexual adventures. Yes, I know that River was a thing and the Doctor had eyes for Rose. But Ncuti's Doctor seems like the first who actually both makes people randy and himself seems that way.
I wonder if Mrs. Flood is the one who took baby Ruby to the church in the first place and/or Ruby's bio-mom? (time travel shenanigans)
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On 12/9/2023 at 6:34 PM, Ottis said:
So the whole point of The Boys/Gen V is basically the same as the Marvel mutants vs. humans battle from X-Men? The main difference being that the "professor X" school in Gen V is actually run by someone trying to kill mutants, not protect them? Oh, and sex.
Kind of disappointed in that. I much preferred the "what happens if superheroes are assholes" approach that launched The Boys. Not sure they had to evolve it into a civil war.
A better approach might have been to explore why parents agreed to dose their babies in the first place, and the pressures and motivations that led to it. There was a little in the flashbacks about how parents reacted when the powers were frightening or went wrong, but there should be a lot more to mine there.
I would say that it'd be reductionist to say either that the Boys was originally about "What if superheroes were assholes?" or that Gen V has changed that premise to a looming civil war like in X-Men.
The Boys always had Vought at the center and had as factors the influences of pop culture, corporate greed, and political power of humans. That continues with Gen V, which instead of focusing on the apex predators of supes, the Seven, is looking at people lower on the food chain, people less mature and less cynical. In three seasons of the Boys, we encountered Starlight and maybe one or two other supes who could be said to truly want to be heroic and walk the walk. All of our Core Four actually (so far) actually want to be traditional heroes. We'll see if they stay the course.
The notion that there's a looming Supes vs humans battle is not all that widespread at this point. The Boys and just a handful of others want to kill supes. Most humans admire them. The most we've generally seen is people be critical of individual supes, like whether Homelander was right to kill a person in cold blood, Blue Hawk was racist, etc. The most vocal anti-supe person other than the Boys that we've seen is a supe herself, and even she's not really pretending to advocate supes being jailed, killed or anything akin to what the antagonists in the X-men universe have in mind for mutants. Vought wants to continue controlling them, and is continuing to cover up supes' misdeeds and manage their PR.
I don't know if there is a lot more to delve into re: parents' motivations. It's been touched on in both series that they've wanted money, power, fame that agreeing to have their kids dosed would/might give them. I think that's pretty real-worldy: I'm sure if there was an injection that could give kids super-powers a lot of parents would inject their kids with it even if there were risks and even without the infusion of Vought cash, because they might be inspired by their kid potentially being the next Supe, and them getting set for life. Almost by definition, the actual Supes themselves would be more interesting characters than their parents because they have superpowers, and because the parents' motivations are likely to be the basic things that have been already mentioned. I don't know if Gen V or the Boys is going to have time or interest to develop a parent into a more three-dimensional character.
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7 minutes ago, iMonrey said:
Not if you're a nurse. Or a teacher. Nobody thinks nurses and teachers are rich. Most people who lie about their profession are basically saying "I don't want them to know how smart I am." Basic humble brag.
It's not just bragging about smarts, if you want to call it that. Especially when there is at least some basis that people might take that information and reach the conclusion "that person is smart, let me vote against them."
It's trying to manage whether people think you are smart, trustworthy, and/or wealthy.
Contestants try to manipulate how they are perceived for all sorts of reasons. Gabler IIRC hid that he's a doctor in part because he was concerned that if people knew that they would use it against him by arguing or concluding that someone else "needed"/deserved the million more than he did.
Sometimes it matters, sometimes it doesn't. Jake probably related to Katurah better thinking she was an office manager who was toying with the idea of going to law school than he would have if he knew that she was a lawyer with years of experience over him, let alone one that probably has a dim view of prosecutors generally. People though generally picked up on her having stereotypically positive qualities of a lawyer like being persuasive
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11 hours ago, watch2much said:
I like Jake. I felt sorry for how he was demeaned throughout the show. I wish he would have pointed out at final tribal that despite everything, he was the one sitting up there (at least getting a third place prize). but I knew he was going to tell Austin about the idol. I attribute some of that to the wine. He could have decided who to take out if he kept it a secret. While I think Dee deserved to win, I didn't like her much. She seemed to take so much delight in the plight of the others. I guess she was loyal to Julie but in the end she even hedged that by saying she couldn't write her name down. I think she's a calculating type and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole Austin showmance was a ploy. we certainly didn't see her doing any soul searching before deciding to lie to him. I can only hope he came to his senses after he learned about it and cooled the relationship.
I attribute at least part of his telling Austin to wanting to make a Big Move.
As someone who has watched enough Survivor to have used various winners as mnemonics for numbers, Jake has to know that it's best to keep one's mouth shut about idols.
But just having people vote for him and him producing an idol to nullify their votes probably wasn't flashy or good enough in his mind.
He wanted so badly to try to next level the Reba Three by getting them to think he was going to play his idol so that they make Katurah the target and then nullify their votes. Because that would have been splashier with the jury.
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22 hours ago, mledawn said:
Finely was a nice addition - I had forgotten that he had interactions with Neagley in the first season.
The writers are hammering away at how much O'Donnell has changed from a complete player to a family man, but Reacher can't fathom Swan changing... Seems anvillicious.
In fairness, it's easier to envision/make a change from cynical womanizer to whipped family man than it is from dedicated military investigator who served with honor and integrity to sellout who is complicit in the murder of three of his friends and the agonizing dehydration death of his dog and a terrorist plot.
As others have posted, I think Reacher's gut is supposed to be basically infallible, so I tend to doubt that Swan is guilty. But it would potentially take the series in a new direction if Reacher were able to make mistaken deductions/assumptions.
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7 hours ago, 30 Helens said:
I think it’s funny how people think all lawyers are great orators and unbeatable at crafting arguments for the jury. Trial lawyers, maybe. But most lawyers are basically paper pushers— they do research and write briefs, and may not interact with clients at all. You can be a good lawyer AND a terrible public speaker.
Heck, even most trial lawyers don't do a ton of public speaking, since most cases end up with settlements and plea bargains. For those cases that do go to trial, in many cases the lawyers will have lived with them for at least a year and will have ample prep time to prepare questions and arguments, which is easier than spontaneously being articulate on the spot when faced with potential curveball questions. And of course, real-world jurors are supposed to be objective and follow a set of court instructions, which makes trying to come up with arguments to appeal to them somewhat easier. Survivor jurors get to decide who gets their vote based on whatever the heck criteria that they want, and in some cases, what might resonate with Juror A might alienate Juror B, and in some cases there is just no way Juror C is ever going to vote for you. Like I doubt that Jake would have gotten any more votes even if Dee and Austin were to have responded to every jury question with the finger, and Jake channeled the spirits of Johnnie Cochran and Cochran the Survivor winner.
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6 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:
I wonder why they were so adamant about not taking her to the F3. Hmm. A lot of people liked her on the jury. As for Dee, didn't know who she was the first part of the season. I knew she was on Drews team, he ran things for awhile.
I've loved and remember a few winners , Dee won't be one of them.
My guess as to why Dee/Austin were adamant about not wanting Katurah in the F3:
1. Jury management. You can't tell someone about to be on the jury "You're no real threat to pick up votes, so yeah I'm going to bring you along." You massage their ego and tell them like Dee did "You're a huge threat, I like you, you're good enough, smart enough and gosh darn it people like you."
2. When the choice is between Jake and Katurah, Katurah's easily the bigger threat. Katurah was well-liked and didn't get anybody to write her name down. Although she couldn't really take credit for any impact on the game other than as a lackey to the Reba Four. she didn't bungle any moves other than the F5 vote. Whereas Jake was repeatedly on the outs, repeatedly tried things that didn't work, and fumbled an idol.
But her being a bigger threat for votes than Jake doesn't mean that she's an actual big threat for win. I am struggling to think of how she could get four votes in any combination of F3. She is never getting a single Reba vote, and almost certainly never getting Kaleb or Emily's.
I guess it's possible that Katurah runs the table with former Belo voters and has Kellie, Kendra, Bruce and Jake all vote for her, either forcing a tie, or running into an actual win where Dee and Austin split the remaining votes 2-2 or 3-1. (I assume if all the other votes go to either Dee or Austin, whatever the tiebreaker in such a procedure would favor Dee/Austin. It seems that Jake talked about him possibly having to cast a vote, so I'm assuming third place casts a vote in such a scenario. Anyone know for sure?)
But I think it extremely doubtful that superfan Jake would vote Katurah against the performances that Dee, Austin and Julie had. I also think it doubtful that Bruce would vote for Katurah, although maybe he didn't ever pick up on her animosity toward him. I could see Kellie potentially voting Katurah if she remained bitter, but her time in Ponderosa seemingly cured her of that. Kendra is goofy enough that I could see her saying that Katurah should win because she's a Pisces (or whatever)
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7 hours ago, bankerchick said:
I'm not sure what type of lawyer Katurah is, but I would never want her representing me. Imagine being charged with a crime and in her final summation, your lawyer senses the jury is leaning the other way, so she suddenly decides to go with the flow and announces that she thinks you should be convicted.
Katurah works/worked for the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund. So she basically advocates policy changes rather than does trial work.
For instance, here is her testifying for the repeal of a NY law that she believes will hide info about police officers' allegations of misconduct.
Jake is the only trial attorney of the three that were cast this season. Interestingly enough, he pretended he was a public defender but it turns out that he is really a prosecutor.
There are stereotypes (or maybe it's just my experience) that go with prosecutors and public defenders that may not be as common among non-lawyers.
Prosecutors tend to be more conservative, more stick-in-the-mud, more black-and-white, more entitled, more religious, and public defenders tend to be more liberal, more flexible, more willing to see gray, more creative, more cynical.
It makes way more sense to me that Jake is a prosecutor in reality.
I would think that Katurah and Jake probably had some interesting discussions about their views of the criminal justice system when they both outed themselves.
Oh, and in an exit interview, Katurah said she spent a lot of time trying to get Jake off of voting Julie -- like hours. But that makes her decision to switch more baffling to me, not less.
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34 minutes ago, fishcakes said:
Argh, I was rooting for Jake, but he did try to make too big a move with his idol. If he had kept it a secret, used it for himself, and idoled out either Julie (his original target) or Dee, I don't think it would have changed anything in terms of jury votes, but as it played out, it presented as another swing and a miss for him. Although his furious, "why did you make me swear on my nana?" was a bright spot.
In a world where Jake kept his idol a secret to all and played it on himself (as he should have, and as someone who is apparently a superfan should have known he should -- I think it's crazy that he chose to use as a mnemonic previous Survivor winners' seasons), he probably would have had his choice of Julie or Dee out, as everyone but Austin would have likely voted Jake. If he got Dee out then it might have opened the door a crack. Jurors might have been impressed with his getting Dee out. Probably in that alternate universe, Austin takes Katurah or Jake and leaves Julie to try to make fire. I think in an Austin/Katurah/Jake F3, Austin still wins, but Jake is likeable enough and with One Big Move on his resume, maybe it's good enough, though I doubt it.
2 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:I know Katurah made a HUGE mistake in switching her vote from Dee to Julie at the end but I think I understand why. It boils down to the simple fact that, in the end, she couldn't trust Jake to follow through with voting Dee. Had she trusted him, she would have kept her vote on Dee. But if Jake had gone with voting Julie out, she'd be the odd one out on voting Dee, which puts a target immediately on her back and then she's targeted. Now, it happened anyway, but at the time of her vote switch, I saw her thought process. Either way, Jake/Katurah were in a losing battle the moment they allowed Reba to take control of the game.
But if Jake votes Julie or Katurah (his only non-Dee options), Katurah's voting Julie doesn't really help Katurah, and her voting Dee doesn't really harm her.
If Jake votes Katurah, chances are it's because Katurah's toast at that tribal. At least one, if not multiple of the Reba 3 are voting Katurah. As played, they had been shown pretty much that Jake had an idol that he could only play at this tribal council. He literally showed Austin the idol rather than brag about it. (Why the Reba 3 didn't then switch at least some of the votes to Katurah suggests bad game play to me....did they think Jake's idol was a fake, or that he just wouldn't play it, or what?)
If Jake flips to vote Julie, and that results in Julie going, it's not like Dee can do anything to Katurah at this point. If this was a F6 vote, I could see Dee campaigning to get rid of katurah at the subsequent F5 vote in retaliation for trying to get her out. But at F4, there are no more votes and writing or not writing Dee's name down then is immaterial. If Dee is in a position to shape the final tribal, she's going to put Katurah in (or not) as it suits her.
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6 hours ago, AntFTW said:
I think, if I'm recalling correctly, that she thought Julie was catching some votes so she hopped on that vote. I think Katurah ultimately thought the vote would come down between Julie and herself. Katurah didn't trust that Jake would ultimately follow through with voting for Dee, so she thought Dee wasn't going home even if she voted for Dee because she thought the vote would come down between Julie and herself.
Also, one thing that I thought was incredibly stupid (but maybe she was really just trying to talk her way out of the revelation that she was plotting against Dee) was Katurah saying that Jake should have told her that he planned on playing the idol for her. However, that's stupid because everyone clearly knows none of these people have been working with Jake the entire time. None of these people have trusted Jake with a plan for the entire post-merge game. Jake would tell Katurah that he's playing the idol for Katurah just so that Jake can become an easy vote? So that Katurah can go blab to the entire tribe that Jake won't protect himself? Be for real.
Voting Julie doesn't help any of Katurah's primary goals: staying alive and getting Dee out. If there are already going to be enough votes on Julie to get her out, piling on doesn't help. If Katurah's the target of all Belo or two of the Belo votes instead of Jake and Jake plays the idol on himself, Katurah likely still goes home by switching. She either straight up loses with 3/2 votes to 1 for Julie and 1 for Dee (if Jake's swearing on Nana is to be trusted and she has foolishly split the minority vote). By staying on Dee, there is at least a chance of a 2-2 tie, and someone flipping to get Dee out.
I guess if her thought process is "come at the queen, best not miss...and this is likely to miss." that sort of makes sense. Only, there are really no more opportunities to come at the queen after this tribal and a limit to what the queen could possibly do to you for writing her name down that wouldn't happen anyway.
2 hours ago, JudyObscure said:Well I never bought into Emily's great growth arc, I just thought Kaleb had taught her how to fake it better. So we got her last minute hateful dig at Austin, for what? We don't know, probably for being a "boy." I wasn't surprised at Dee's win either. The jury always awards the best bragger and Dee was really good at it. Most men would be embarrassed to call themselves a giver and claim credit for all sorts of things that were either luck or part of the group effort.
I know that Emily sounded harsh, but I didn't see what she was saying as a dig at Austin. I saw it more as a sign that Dee had heart eyes as big as Austin's, and Emily thought Dee needed a reality check that if she won the million, she shouldn't act like it was community property (unless or until he puts a ring on it.)
1 hour ago, Haleth said:It was not a surprise that Dee won. She deserved it and all but it was a boring result. Meh. I feel like she played a lazy game but since it worked for her, hats off and congrats. She's lucky that the rest of her gang were too dumb to see what was happening.
I think "lazy" is the wrong word here because I don't see what else she needed to do that she didn't do. Yes, this season was largely her playing on easy mode.
But It's not her fault things lined up so nicely for her, by being part of a dominant alliance with none of her allies even considering as far as we saw stabbing her in the back or perceiving that she'd engaged in a little light-backstabbing. I would like to see Dee come back and compete against a better cast to see how she fares then.
1 hour ago, Guiaoshi said:PS: Im glad for the mess at final 5 tribal. It took away what should be a predictable tribal, I dont think Kathura should be the only one to blame as she told Jake multiple times how much unsure she was on trust him. And instead of give her the security by talking about his Idol Just for her/saying his plan, he decided to spill to Austin that would tell everyone, with mean that people could vote for Kathura and Jake never mentioned he would save her because, according to him, he wanted surprise her aswell at the tribal (and thats why people didnt want to work with him,a lose cannon so desperated to have a move of his own). She voted Julie because she knew for sure that were more chances for Austin to vote Julie again and since Jake first plan was to vote Julie, If she didnt felt confident on him voting Dee, than his other choice would be Julie. He was so focused on make a big move, with Tony impersonation etc that he blew It/made a mess of It. And glad It happened otherwise It would be between Mama J or Austin and Dee carried them/was far superior winner.
But a) she could have always brought up him playing the idol for her if she was so concerned that she was going to be the target b) if she fundamentally didn't trust Jake to vote Dee after making him swear on his nana, how is him promising that he would give up his idol going to do any good? How can she trust him to make a move that might result in him getting booted if the Reba 3 vote entirely for him? c) Switching her vote to Julie doesn't seem helpful to her game in either the long or short term.
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S22.E13: #HellishHangover
in Hell's Kitchen
· Edited by Chicago Redshirt
I had said in a previous thread that this season seemed like it was Dahmere's to lose and...well in my opinion, he lost it. I like him as a chef and a person a great deal. But as part of his great character even he admitted he deserved to go up for elimination. Whether Carmen screwed him over by ignoring him or calling out unrealistic times, it's still on him to not serve food that's RAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWRR, burnt, or otherwise problematic. And he didn't live up to that. It sucks that various chefs sucked way more and got multiple chances to bounce back, and he just got the one. But that is the nature of the game.
I do think there's a decent chance that Ramsay will find a place for Dahmere somewhere. As much as I like him, I do hope that they don't do a surprise twist where they bring back an eliminated chef to have a shot at winning the big prize. I think it just undermines the game too much to do that.
To me, Leigh's elimination seems more BS. Maybe I'm half-blind but was the way she cut the Wellington really that disastrous? Did she really do anything else wrong other than have less experience?
If you're familiar with Stanley Kubrick's movies, you may remember shots in pics like The Shining, Full Metal Jacket, A Clockwork Orange where Kubrick films a character a certain way to emphasize that he's gone over the edge
ETA: turns out that TV Tropes has a page on it:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KubrickStare
Well, there was at least one time where it seemed like they filmed Jonathan like that. If that was deliberate, bravo. If I'm just imagining it, that's on me. But he seemed very psycho.
Ryan had said at least once before this episode he considered Jonathan his biggest competition. I don't think Sammi or Carmen are good enough to disprove that statement.
Maybe I missed it before, but now that Carmen is in the black jacket range, they seemingly are emphasizing her Latin roots. I wonder if this means that she makes it to the finals somehow, though I hate to be all diversity-conspiracy-theoryish.