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I liked her, too, as much as you can like someone who is ready to kill you. She reminded me of Bobby Munson/Sons of Anarchy. *shrugs*

without question.

I know I'm petty; however, when the Govenor - I mean, Gregory, made that little speach about always loving that painting and how he would have never guessed that it would one day be his, I was done. My sister and I both yelled, at the same time, "IT'S NOT YOUR PAINTING." There is blood on the streets and he is gloating about a painting that hangs where he lives because of a zombie apocalypse. I needed Maggie to tell him, "shut up, you sound stupid." Speaking of Maggie, I'm not a fan - I will never forgvie her for spending ALL of season four (I think) leaving messages for Glenn to meet her at Terminus without nary a message to Beth - but I still was rooting for her to kill Gregory the second time he called her Natalie.

I spent the entire season wishing death on everyone BUT Daniel, because he was about business. Leave it to the finale to make me add him to my list. Lets say that ALL the soldiers were assholes and deserved someone leading 2K walkers to them, fine. BUT ultimately it is going to be a problem for any innocent people trying to survive going forward, including themselves. I don't even know how to play chess, but it seems like someone could have thought two or three moves ahead with that one. You're going to let out 2K undead to save your wife? And two others? My brain hurts. ALSO, I thought it was a bitch move when they all caravanned out of their neighborhood without so much as a "hey, do you mind closing the gate behind us?" I know, I know, no one faced certain bullet wounds when the soldiers took your junkie son, but... Oh, I forgot - Maddy cut a hole in that gate a couple weeks ago, anyway. How long were they in military compound, anyway? When the doctor was calling for evac they said they would be there at 02:15 hours - depending on the season sunrise is usually no later than 7 AM. I'll give them 6 AM to be generous... so they were in there for four hours and the kids were still chilling in the garage? Weren't they supposed to leave after 30 minutes? Whatevs. The ONLY redeeming thing that Maddy did all season (for me) was to start grabbing meds as Liza was trying to talk the doctor in to leaving. I can appreciate that!

EYE TO EYE! Except Ramsay's own words continue to haunt/taunt me: "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."

eye to eye. I was fleetingly very excited. I'm not really invested in Michael *or* Rafa so the idea of a new man was exciting. And I don't hate Petra - I think of her less as a villain and more as a survivor. She's done some horrible things - she's had some horrible things happen to her. But I think she really does love Rafael. THAT being said, I hate that he is manipulating her so cavalierly. I think it speaks to his character. He is someone who manipulates people who are in a weaker emotional state. Other than that, I enjoyed it. I loved all the Ro & Xo parts. Oh, except the kidnapping baby part. That was a real downer - especially as the cliff hanger. Too dark for the show.

This. Just this. I always joke that most carnage in The Game of Thrones could have been avoided if everyone had cell phones - here they have the MOST up to date communication tools and their communication is horrendous. I think I allow a lot of leeway in television shows because its all tv to me but I'm really glad this is over. I will miss Nolan, tho

See, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I do not believe that definitions (or science) is subjective. My mind is blown at the idea that the dictionary is a subjective work. Seriously. Blown. Either way, Irlandesa pretty much summed it up in a way that I was not able to so I am just going to defer to that post from here on out. It was great to meet and share ideas with you! See you after Chapter 20.

Attacks? I'm truly sorry if you felt attacked when I was asking the forum AT LARGE to not go down some rabbit hole where the word virgin means anything other than what the word actually means. From websters: virgin (noun) a person who has not had sexual intercourse That's it. Nowhere in the definition is there a reference to someone's hymen. There is no figurative meaning v. literal meaning, no technical v. layman meaning. Virginity is about sex. The amusing part is that it is Lina (the enlightened 5th grader) who brings this lunacy up - not Old World Alba. This is why a little information in a 5th graders hands, be it by the nuns/grandmother or by older sisters, is a very dangerous thing. Again, I apologize that you felt attacked. It certainly wasn't intentional.

TECHNICALLY, the only way to NOT be a virgin is to have sex. Period. Please, please, PLEASE lets not give any credence to the idea that a tampon or a horseback ride - or even BIRTH can make you lose your virginity. PLEASE. That is why she is call the VIRGIN Mary - because even though she gave birth, she was a VIRGIN. No one called her NO-LONGER-A-VIRGIN-BECAUSE-GOD-KNOCKED-HER-UP-BY-OSMOSIS MARY. Please. Please. It's 2015, we have to do better. Yes! Even if they lived in California where illegal aliens (hate that term) can get drivers licenses, given how freaked out Alba was about going to the courthouse/getting deported (in Chapter 9?) I doubt she would have gotten a license. I don't think Jane was in love with Rafael when she left Michael, but I think she definitely interested in him. Michael started acting crazy and it gave her the opportunity to explore her feeling for Rafa. That might be splitting hairs, but its how I see it. I am behind everyone above who said that Rafael is too serious in a show filled with amazing comedic talent. The show grinds to a halt every time he is on screen. In theory, I want the concept of Rafael and Jane to work, cause its a great story to tell the grandkids, but Rafa is going to have to go to improv classes or SOMETHING. That being said, their break up did move me. Yes, life has been coming fast and hard at Rafa but he seems so defeated. No one wants that for a new baby. I adore Petra. She's done some horrible things, but that's because she's had to be a survivor. I think Michael let Nadine have the two hour head start because she was his partner, they even had a sexual relationship and because Sin Rostro was threatening her family. And she really didn't do much aside from trying to redirect/stall the investigation. It wasn't like she was out there running drugs or putting hits on people. Is she a criminal? Sure. But I get why he did it. Finally, I am completely UN-invested in whether or not Jane stays a virgin (aside from it being the name and concept of the show). I just want her to know that she doesn't have to be married to the idea of virginity (no pun intended) just because she made that decision in the 5th grade. YOU CAN MAKE NEW DECISIONS BASED ON NEW INFORMATION!!

Rick is batshit crazy but I am upset at Carol for winding him up and watching him go - with a smile on her face. She wants to hide in plain sight but suggest Rick go kill someone? Carol, boo boo, I know you have a history of marital violence, but I expect better from you. That being said, someone get Rick a copy of the Art of War, STAT! "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." "Thus we may know that there are five essentials for victory: (1) He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight, (2) He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces, (3) He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks, (4) He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared, (5) He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign" "Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent’s fate." And on, and on. I mean, there has GOT to be a library in ASZ, right? Also: MICHONNE, THE GAWD!

Off the cuff... Clearly there was too much going on and my brain was reeling because I have no idea why the fight between Uncle Vernon and Andre started... (tho, I sure know how it ended!) I knew, from jump, that Lucious wasn't going to have ALS. I just don't know enough about diseases to know what they were going to pass his illness off as. Boo Boo Kitty and Hakeem really disturbed me. I know he has mommy issues, and I assume she is younger than Lucious but STILL. It was creepy. And the worst part is that at some point Lucious will forgive his son but Boo Boo Kitty will always be slut shamed because society. I had to mute the Lucious/Jamal song. There is only so much musical Terrance Howard I can take. The rap battle. I'm sorry, but was it implied that Jamal won? Man, GTFOH. Regardless of how bad Black Rambo was (and he was horrible), Jamal truly took a knife to a gunfight. For half a second I thought he was going to rap and was prepared to see the emergence of new skill to add to his arsenal, but... no. That's kinda where I threw up my hands and was like, this show don't give not nary a shit about anything. Finally... I might be the LEAST ambitious person on the planet but if I were either Jamal or Hakeem WHY THE HELL WOULD I WANT TO RUN EMPIRE? They are just barely becoming the artists they can be. How musically creative can they be if they are running around trying to run a company the size of Empire. Why not just run it as a triumvirate? (not sure if thats the right word, but you know what I mean.) And have we paternity tested Lola, yet? This is still important to me!!!

My super random two cents: Shake Down (the song Lucious was singing with Mary J Blige) was on the Growing Pains cd . It was released in December 2007. So there's that. (I think MJB was playing herself, no?) I didn't find Lucious' reveal/"kill me instead" to be heroic. He knows he's dying. Why not go out a "hero" instead of by a body that betrays you. You know: live like a G, die like a G. I absolutely agree that Lucious is not cheating his kids by changing the amount of their IPO shares - in fact, I think giving Cookie an equal share was the right thing to do (one of the few right things he's done). If Lola is his daughter and not his granddaughter, will she get IPO shares, too? (I think JAMAL needs to get that cheek swabbed, ASAP.) I really appreciated that Cookie was decent to Olivia. Was the marriage to a gay man Olivia's payment for becoming a star? Because that clearly didn't pan out. I'm not sure that Lucious knew Olivia was having a baby or knows Lola to be his for sure. Because wouldn't Jamal have known, too, as he was actually married and (I'm assuming) living with her. Unless, she got pregnant, told Lucious the baby was his and bounced - though I feel like if Lucious knew about Lola he would have made Olivia pass her off as Jamal's. Just another way for Lucious to try to control his gay son. "You have a daughter, you have to act a certain way, etc." As Lola was saying her goodbyes, with her little bear (monkey?) it dawned on me that someone should have bought that child a stuffed lion. I, for one, knew that Rhonda would notice what she was signing. It was the first time I liked her - and even though I don't agree that Andre is "owed" anything, I like a woman who is strong when her man can't be, and doesn't just willy nilly sign shit. If I were the notary, I would have snuck out in all the confusion. I don't need that kind of drama in my life. I mean, how much does a notary make? Not nearly enough to fucks with the likes of those crazy Lyons. If ANY man said that nonsense about falling for his commanders wife to me, I would head for the hills. Yo - you just met me. You might enjoy me, you might want to go to bed with me, you might want to know me better - but grandiose love declarations? Get fuck outta here. You supposed to be some super military dude or something... and you don't know how to not fall for the bosses ex wife? I don't get the set up vibe from him, but he can't be as professional/good at his job as he says he is. You running around falling in love and shit when you should be working. On the bosses dime, no less. Heh. I was super uncomfortable with Jennifer Hudson's therapy. I'll be honest and say that I don't know much about bipolar disorder or how to treat it. I do know that her behavior was completely inappropriate. We enrolled him in music therapy but we're gonna pray? Cool. But can we pray sitting in chairs, please? She needs to be fired, asap.

Someone, somewhere (here? twitter?) said that Brody dying was the best thing that happened to this show. Amen. Look, I spent the entire "vault" scene screaming at the tv, "JUST TURN OFF THE FUCKING MONITOR!!!" Watching the staff outside the door fall one by one would have been horrible but in the words of the incomparable Super Chicken, "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it." As much as I adored Fara, it was her time. Life sucks. Under NO circumstances should the Director have opened that door. I might be a 5'3 bundle of nothing (and guaranteed to lose my job) but Director Lipless would have had to physically fight (not just push) me to get out. I was aghast that the staff inside just watched as he thumbed his nose at protocol. I was disappointed when Martha gave Dennis the belt - to me there were only two acceptable conclusions to Dennis: Martha killing him, herself or him facing treason charges in a court of law. My boyfriend wisely told me that he was too much of a coward to kill himself while I was screaming at the tv, "YOU'RE TRYING TO SPARE YOUR FAMILY? YOU WEREN'T THINKING ABOUT YOUR FAMILY WHEN YOU WERE COMMITTING TREASON!" Also, I pretty much hate Carrie for falling in love with a terrorist then having his baby THEN abandoning the baby, then having sex with a baby asset but I was all ready to ship her with Khan when he folded to Tasneem. He hurt me deep, man. All this to say, Go Quinn, and (clearly) I was the worst person to watch the show with this week because I was yelling (read: screaming) at the tv the ENTIRE time.

I have nothing thoughtful or insightful to say - but when I saw Carol being wheeled in, I immediately thought of a Nicki Minaj lyric... she says, "Now which b*tch want it, cause that b*tch get it." Carol is gonna wreak so much havoc and I, for one, am here for it.