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Maturity. They had fun. That's it. If it meant more, she can express her feelings which, in contrast to her legion of less-than-charming traits, is actually one of Hannah's admirable strengths. But for her to assume he feels the same way is indicative of Hannah's outsize self-absorbtion and general inability to grow and learn from both her and others' life experiences.

True, but that's what makes Marnie's (AW's) concealing herself during sex more glaring and ridiculous. There are other ways to shoot a scene like that to preserve the actress' modesty. Her chest-clutching just looks silly. And for all the acceptance of everyday nudity, I have to wonder whether the response would be the same if AW were as regularly and spectacularly nude as LD.

Are TPTB really so out of ideas that they've retconned a new "Sally Spectra" (ok, I guess) but they're also bringing back Saul's grandson (really?) and a new "Darla" now known as "Darlita"? Ugh. Couldn't they at least try to create something new?

As I'm sure the monkeys writing this are aware, community property is only that property that was acquired during the marriage. Eric's house, etc., was all his before he married Quinn. She gets none of it if they divorce. That's why I mentioned Eric putting Quinn on the deed to the house. That would be a way she could get a piece of that. If FC goes from a market value of $2B to $3B during the course of their marriage, Quinn may be entitled to half of that $1B in increased value, maybe, but just getting married doesn't automatically entitle a spouse to half.

Objectively speaking, Quinn's constant references to "my house", "my property", "our company", "we think" and "the family" are grating. She's been a Forrester for literally five minutes. The property didn't become hers upon marriage. It's Eric's. Period. Unless he put her on the deed which, God knows he's dumb enough to have done, it's his separate property. And Quinn can consider herself part of "the family" all she wants but no actual family members have to accept that. And they haven't. you have to earn the right to be embraced as "family", something Quinn has yet to do. Overstepping her bounds and antagonizing Eric's family seems the wrong way to go about that.

Once Ridge betrays his father, I'm probably out. I took a break after Ridge and Brooke had their lab-boink after the BeLieF discovery, so I'll probably do the same once Ridge manipulates and/or beds Quinn. The character of Ridge has never willfully betrayed or hurt or cheated on anyone, as far as I can remember. Even the lab-boink was some contrived "I thought their marriage was over because of some note or something" nonsense. But this? This is deliberate, premeditated betrayal that will destroy what had been, despite their differences, a very nice father-son relationship when RM was in the role. But, as TK has none of the charm, grace or smoothness that RM has in the role, maybe they have no choice but to take the character in another direction. I know it's an Unpopular Opinion but, as far as the "taking Brooke away from me" bit goes, I never thought Brooke was Eric's to begin with. No one "belongs" to another person, of course, but every character on this show should know that Brooke and Ridge are the ultimate, never-to-be-forgottens for anyone they've been with in the past. And as the original Brooke/Eric pairing was one of the first "incestuous" relationships, my ire was always fixed on Eric. Who the hell marries his son's former fiancee? That's disgusting. Thorne did it too with Caroline I. It's commonplace on this show now, but those were the first instances. Ridge slept with your wife? No, you married his fiancee!

Slight correction: Rick's reign as CEO was "successful" because he deliberately over-priced Ridge's designs, hoping the line would fail miserably. He was sure the exaggerated prices would sink Ridge. Instead, the line sold like gangbusters. Rick was completely surprised by, and unprepared for, that success. He's like the Donald Trump of fashion CEOs.

Wasn't it just a few months ago that Steffy believed Eric couldn't think for himself and he was merely being taken advantage of by Quinn? But, I suppose if he's now offering her the CEO position, he must absolutely be of sound mind, right, Steffy?

Unpopular opinion, I know, but I've always been a Ridge fan. RM's Ridge; questionable, well ok, pretty bad, acting choices aside - not TK's Ridge. But, despite the reunion with Brooke (about which TK couldn't have looked more bored), I still think there may be some Quinn hatesex in the future. And if Ridge does that to Brooke, after she dumped the one man who truly seemed to put her first, he will be irredeemable and I will be done.

That whole ruse of Ridge walking away in order to lure Brooke to the cliff was beyond stupid. "Ridge, I'm marrying another man! Don't walk away! This is a life-changing decision! Aren't you going to try to stop me?! Well, then, I'm just going to angrily march up to this precipice to give you one last chance to do something about this! Ooooohhhh, sentimental sand art!"

This line annoyed me too for different reasons. Ridge is the original recipe waffle but he's never been so shallow as to leave Brooke because another woman was younger or prettier. (Caroline II's extreme youth is, hopefully, a single, never-to-be-repeated aberration.) Say what you will, there was always a compelling reason in his mind for making the change, e.g., kids, mother, whatever. And, by the way, he's left other women for Brooke just as often as he's left Brooke for other women, so she's been the beneficiary of his waffleness as much as she's been the victim.

So, Nicole is already pregnant with Zende's baby but, after the Sasha bang, she no longer wants anything to do with him, and, therefore, she'll lead him to think her soon-to-be-obvious pregnancy is the result of changing her mind about the surrogacy? And Eric and Katie are about to be a thing, as are Quinn and Ridge. And I will be out.

Pure speculation but I think the rushed second incubation by Nicole points to this actually being Zende's child. Otherwise, this whole SL is a retread and a complete waste of time.

I hope Baby Bell isn't recycling storylines to the point where he's going to turn Ridge into stepmother-sexing, subsequently outcast, perennial loser Jack Abbott. Because that would truly suck.

Unpopular Opinion, I know, but Eric is acting like a big fucking baby. And a spiteful, vindictive prick on top of that (calling Ridge a "Marone"). Everyone else may be behaving poorly too (or even worse) but calling Wyatt "son"? Where'd that come from? Wyatt hasn't earned one bit of that. Those two have barely had a relationship and now he's being elevated to "son"? That really rankles me. The father-son relationships on this show have usually been pretty good, e.g., Eric-Ridge, Bill-Liam (I know both these fathers have other sons with whom they don't have the same kind of relationships, but I've always liked these.) I hope dumbass Eric adopts Wyatt and changes his last name to Forrester. I know, I know. Ridge is being a complete ass right now but I'm not crazy about Eric's behavior either. Just my 2 cents.

I don't think TK is good either. Forgetting all the superficial, yet still important, visual differences between his characterization and RM's, TK's Ridge doesn't show us any of the affection and love for family, especially Eric, that RM's did. He says it but we don't see it. On the other hand, though, I do think the writing for Ridge has been horrible for awhile. In the period leading up to RM's departure and when the character was offscreen sulking instead of being with his dying mother, Baby Bell started writing Ridge as a spoiled, petulant, mean-spirited baby. Contrast this with the early years when Ridge was Bell's fantasy man, seducing all the women with grace and charm. I think Bell's falling-out with RM really tanked the character.

Agree that using Ridge's paternity against him was way out-of-bounds. Arguably more deliberately hurtful than Ridge's disrespectful "cuckoo" hand-wave. I do find interesting the notion that Ridge's recent motivations exist because he's threatened by the fact that he's not actually a blood Forrester. In the early years, he was the undisputed leader of the children, a mantle he wore easily. Now, though, he's got to force and browbeat everyone to do what he says. He no longer has that ease of leadership he once did, pre-paterrnity-reveal. Eric was out of line but he was very obviously hurt and he, in turn, tried to hurt. Later in the scene, he called Ridge his "first-born son", so I choose to think that's how he really sees him. It's kind of like how you're always the other parent's kid when you screw up.

If I'm supposed to feel sympathy for the now-"noble", now-"humble" Quinn who, after all her misdeeds, frequently involving falls or almost-falls from great heights, e.g., Ally off the FC walkway, Ivy into the Seine, Deacon into the Pacific, I do not. I am not moved by her giddiness or her happy tears or her pledged troth to Eric. I am not moved by her claims that she's changed. She hasn't earned any of this. If she's supposed to be redeemed, show us. Don't tell us. (BTW, what you are showing me is that she's still manipulating Ivy and Liam and that sounds exactly like the Quinn of old to me. So, where exactly is this vaunted "change"?) And, as posted above, all these characters live in glass houses. None are blameless. It's a soap opera, after all. And, yes, Stephanie was a dark character who's been brightened considerably since her death. But, where Stephanie arguably facilitated Brooke's rape, Quinn actually committed rape. Liam was an amnesiac blank slate and she raped him. Repeatedly. Sure, it was under the guise of marital relationship and there was no force but she took advantage of him to have sex with him. If $Bill had done the same thing with Hope, I don't think we'd be cheering during his teary-eyed, emotional wedding-of-redemption.

I wish the show had made more of the fallout from Adam and Eve in the Cabin. Wyatt was barely squicked out when he realized his brother had banged his mom. And Steffy, while we feel that she's completely unnerved by Liam and Quinn having a sexual relationship, hasn't really said or effectively shown how, not just distasteful, but outright weird it is that those two had sex.

The ease with which these people are manipulated in the most obvious, ham-handed ways by Quinn (and Katie, for that matter) is ridiculous. "Here, wear this. Act like this. Speak like this." What? Why? How does that have anything to do with being a jewelry designer? And, as noted, Ivy is a known commodity. She's been at FC before. She was even a model for FC. Everyone knows her style and that she's Australian. So dumb. And Katie's bald-faced manipulations of Ridge are just as frustrating. Dumb ole Ridge can't see it, though: "What are you doing?" Duh! She's trying to wreck Brill's happily-ever-after by having you make another run at Brooke. Is this really that hard to see? Man, these Forresters are a dim bunch.

Hate to quote myself but this is so going to happen.

I actually wonder whether they're setting up a Quinn takeover of FC after she and Eric inevitably reunite and he dies or becomes incapacitated. The takeover, of course, would involve a significant retcon of the distribution of FC shares, rewriting of history, power of attorney, or some such nonsense, but Q would be in charge and Steffy would be even more apoplectic.

Quinn has pulled so much crap, threatened and actually physically hurt so many people, it's hard to believe this is the first time she's been slapped. She more than deserves it for all her past transgressions. (Yes, she may not have done much to "earn" it this time, but I'll take what I can get.) And I just hope her vulnerable, wide-eyed act doesn't sway too many people too quickly.

I have to love how this show tries to create its own reality. "Brooke always knows what to do in a crisis"? Since when? And I have to say, while Red Suit Brooke was interesting, I really see that characterization as more of an aberration than Brooke's true character. I've watched this show from the beginning and that part of her character only emerged because she was supremely pissed at both her former lovers, i.e., Ridge and Eric, for trying to trick her into signing away her rights to BeLieF, a potential goldmine. That rage was what fueled her. She wasn't that angry before and hasn't been since. None of the sexual violations (by Ridge and Stephanie-by-proxy), Ridge's dumping her repeatedly, etc., that she's endured have made her as angry. That characterization only lasted about six months out of the twenty-nine years Brooke's been on the canvas. And while I think we've seen enough of mopey, lonely, inexplicably alcoholic Brooke to last us quite awhile, I do like the idea of characters changing with age. Where Brooke could have snapped her fingers and had any man twenty years ago, she can't anymore. She's still very attractive and alluring but she's older as are her usual prey, Eric and Ridge. None of them are as controlled by lustful desires as they once were. So, when she tries to seduce Ridge while looking hot in a bikini, and he's at an age where he can respond with "Looking good, Logan. See ya!", that's got to have an effect on her. That's interesting to me. A woman who relied so much on her sexuality now sees its impact waning. Does she care? If so, how does she compensate?

What's worse is we're supposed to believe Nicole's "sacrifice" and "goodness" are a turn-on.