[Sullivan's Crossing - General Discussion]

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[Irrational Season 1 Eps 1-6]

Could it vary by discipline?

In psychology and sociology, undergrads always used "Professor X" but as grad students we only addressed as "Professor X" those profs we didn't know well and/or wanted something from (like access to their class for a research study) and even then when talking amongst ourselves we called them by their first names. Never as "Doctor" unless it was using third person in a clinical setting (e.g. I'm going to ask Dr. X your question).

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

18 minutes ago, susannah said:

I am still not clear as to how Liz's son showed up at Anna's apartment,

He thought that he saw Charlotte head that way. Then he would have heard to gunshot and followed it.

Laura knew for a few days that Charlotte had trashed Anna's apartment. She had plenty of time to tell Anna that Charlotte was stalking h but chose not to.

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Spencer is acting as if Esmé were moving Ace to New Zealand or something. The new apartment is probably three blocks away from Laura and Kevin's. FFS.

I doubt that the show will go there, it's not that kind of show, but I'm fascinated fanwanking why Spencer is so obsessed with being responsible for Ace. It's the Cassadines. so many possibilities.

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

 Fuck off and die, Curtis. And how was Alexis trying to fix anything? She stopped by to say hello. 

Me! Me! Me!

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

How long was Eddiie/Ned under water?  Anna had time to travel to the hospital, be weepy, and talk to Valentin. But at least the Eddie Maine story is wrapped up. Are we taking bets whether he squeals on Nina?

I liked the Alexis/Blaze/Kristina convo about how easy it is to be manipulated when you think that's the way it should be. Important stuff.

9 minutes ago, PatsyandEddie said:

I was so happy to see Anna lose it on Valentin and give him a good smack for not giving her a head’s up. Her guilt at shooting a young girl is overwhelming her yet no one gives a shit. Tell them all to go to hell Anna 

A very satisfactory moment. Between them, Valentin/Nina/Laura really blew it. I'm glad to see everything out in the open at last.

But at least they are taking responsibility for their actions. Something Michael and the other Carlys rarely do.

Speaking of Laura, it's interesting how many storylines she can fit in naturally: mayor stuff; Charlotte' Spencer/Esme/Ace; brothers Martin and Evil Cyrus; her relationship with Kevin. When the showrunners want it of course. There is no need to make her a wig-on-a-stick.

Trina: "You know what the solution if for that."  Me: Therapy to talk about this unhealthy obsession. He is approaching Controlling Partner levels re Ace.

Today it was Drew's turn to tell Curtis how BraveandStrong he is.  An otherwise good episode crashed to a screeching halt every Curtis scene. The writing wasn't so bad but the delivery made me want to smack him.

[Irrational Season 1 Eps 1-6]

15 minutes ago, buckboard said:

Speaking of bad writing, the ex comes to the sister's house to ask her if she wants to go with her to a show, since she unexpectedly has an extra ticket.  (A phone call would have been more practical, no?) 

That's what I thought! If you have an extra ticket, you phone and see if the person is busy, and if they're not and want to go with you, you give them time to change and get dressed (between 1 and 2 hours for me although Kylie's hair would take less time to fix than mine), you don't just show up at the door. And good point about leaving with the tickets.

I'll be here at my table for one about disliking the male research assistant Not the actor but the writing makes him unrealistically clueless about research, about teaching, about protocols. Anyone who was accepted by "The Professor" as a research assistant would have done at least one if not more research internships before getting into graduate school. And graduate students call their advisors by their first name, not "the professor" or even "professor Mercer".

 

[S02.E06: Set Your Flag on Fire]

I just found out that Sarah Levy is Eugen Levy's daughter. Talk about flying under the radar away from her famous father and brother.

[Season 1 - Episodes 1 through 11 Discussion]

Lacey said that Gabi hasn't been herself the past few months. I assumed that coincides with when Gabi found Sir and put him in the cellar.

I know they told us how long ago Gabi's father died but I can't remember it

[Season 1 - Episodes 1 through 11 Discussion]

17 hours ago, mrsbagnet said:

I'm confused. Did Sir say something about keeping Gabi from saying goodbye to her dad? Her dad hasn't been dead long, so she wasn't being held by Sir at that time. Maybe I missed heard..

What I took away/ was that Kidnapped Gabi was desperate to get to back to her father because she though that he wouldn't be able to take care of himself like know to wear gloves in the cold or get snow tires on his car, while Sir kept telling her that her father didn't deserve her and that he, Sir, was her real father.

While Gabi was kidnapped, her father started drinking and couldn't stop when she got back, hence her knowledge about addiction and recovery. Because of his drinking, they were at odds with each other when he died of cirrhosis (I think). When he died, Gabi couldn't get there in time to say goodbye which is why she was so desperate to get David there to say goodbye to his mother.

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

Does Ned have lungs fit for the Guinness Book of Records? He was down in the water for a very long time.

So Charlotte is going to lie and try to get Anna in trouble? No surprise there. I hope that Valentin doesn't fall for it although Nina certainly has.

Good for Laura telling Spencer that Esme is right to move out with Ace. Now  I expect Spencer try to sabotage it.

Pleasant filler scenes with Sasha/Maxie/Cody/photographer.

2 hours ago, ffwbe said:

Yeah, what did Carly even do? Didn’t the pilot just happen to come into Kelly’s and randomly tell her about it? It’s not like she was researching the judge or following him around and found out that info.  Hell, she didn’t even ask Alexis to help, Sonny did. 

She and Michael are so beautifully written as narcissists (Curtis and Portia too). It doesn't matter what they actually did, they and their tribe get all the priase.

[Season 1 - Episodes 1 through 11 Discussion]

i felt sorry for Flashback Gabi, worried about what is going to happen to her father.

But damn, giving her the DSM IV to read? What is Sir trying to prove? Give her an abnormal psych book if you want her to understand.

I will lose respect for Gabi if she lets Trent take the fall for her taking the USB drive.

16 hours ago, jmonique said:

Should I be siding with Sir? Like, damn, Gabi, WTF do you actually want? I get that he destroyed her life during her formative years, but he actually seems to be growing the barest bit of a conscience. Take the apology and make him feel guilty about it or something, as opposed to more screaming.

He is still manipulating her and lying to her, about her father being a deadbet, telling her that she is the one who wanted a friend so he kidnapped Lacey for her (false). I know that the character is played by Gosselar but Sir is still manipulative, lying scum.

The actress who plays Lacey is a beautiful woman; why was she wearing a mushroom on her head? Also, will we find out why she changed her name?

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

Drew has become such scum. "One of the things that kept me going in Pentonville, sometimes the only thing, is knowing that you were out there fighting for me."  Sorry Scout, Daddy has left you behind and now relies on Carly.

Drew did redeem himself somewhat when he told Michael to drop finding out who told the SEC. Carly won't though.

And then there's Michael: "Alexis played her part but my mom, she got the leverage over Judge Kim."

Carly: "Someone turned us in to the SEC. I want to know who and why."  I can tell you why Carly, because you and your children and acolytes are horrible people.

I am in the minority that I didn't mind the Eddie amnesia plot but today completely lost me. What a mess of psychobabble.

 

[Irrational Season 1 Eps 1-6]

I find that the first season of a show is often one of the best (e.g. Castle, Arrow) because everyone is energized and eager, But this show seems like someone wanted a vehicle for JLM, seized on an idea maybe prompted by a combination of Lie To Me, Perception and Bull, and didn't quite think it through.

The research assistants are especially bad in terms of plotting. This latest "experiment" makes no sense: setting aside the lack of ethical protocols, sit any intelligent person down and ask them "Why would someone pay too much money for something that is a fake?" and I'm pretty sure the explanation "sentimental value" will come up very soon. On the other hand, it did prompt a discussion in my house of whether you need a control group for an experiment (the answer was 'no').

The will they/won't they with Alec's ex is an overused trope.

8 hours ago, Cress said:

The actress Travina Springer may look young, but she's 41 according to one gossip website. If you don't trust it, her IMDB shows acting credits back to 2009. She's not that young.

That's interesting. I wonder where I got the impression that Kylie was just out of college .... maybe the lack of a job or relationship, maybe that she first came out to Marissa since the split between Alec and Marissa seems fairly recent.

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

 If just ONE of them had gone to the police or at least confronted Charlotte directly, maybe this wouldn’t have happened. And why didn’t Valentin question why she needed a backpack to go trick or treating?

Yep, they decided to go slowly, an idiotic decision as they knew that Charlotte had already trashed Anna's hotel room.

The backpack makes sense to me, Charlotte said that she brought an extra sweater and maybe they thought that Charlotte  was being very optimistic about how much candy she was going to get.

40 minutes ago, Artsda said:

Alexis should have gone to the hospital instead of debating writing a story with Gregory. Look how Nina showed up.

Nina was Charlotte's stepmother and much closer to her than Alexis was. Plus she knew about Charlotte spiraling out of control and helped Valentin by deleting the security tape.

If any of the Davis women should have been at the hospital, it's Sam who had Charlotte living with her for a few months. It's a school day too so no excuses about having to take care  of the kids.

[Irrational Season 1 Eps 1-6]

My takeaways from this episode:

• The ash in the paintings from the eruption of Krakatoa even as far away as France was fascinating.
• Dan Arieli, who Alec is based on, is a cognitive psychologist and professor of behavioural economics. He is not a clinical psychologist. And given what Alec was telling the divorced woman about her feelings re her ex, Alec should never be allowed to talk therapy to anyone in trouble.
• As others have said, Marisa and Alec yearning over her is a dead weight on the show. So are the two research assistants who are very unfunny comic relief.

6 hours ago, cfinboston said:

DAE think the sister and ex wife were going to hook up? 

I did. That's how bad those plots are.

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

Today's was a surprisingly good episode, although Anna seemed too weepy. Sonny bringing up when he shot Dante made sense

I liked Kevin talking about how broken Charlotte is emotionally.

So were Anna's keys listed on the items in Charlotte's backpack?

I liked Alexis' dilemma about whether she should publish the story or not. Too many decisions like that seem to be on the spur of the moment rather than looking at the complexities behind the incident.

I like Robert supporting Anna's position. I did not like Nina telling Valentin that he shouldn't carry the guilt all by himself. Because he should carry most of it.

I complain about this show a lot but Jordan saying that the should bring in an outside investigator on air right after Days of Our Lives where the police commissioner interrogates his murder suspect sister with no one else in the room, and the DA prosecuting is the man currently in a business fight with her makes GH look brilliant.

CM/Drew is sooo much better in scenes with Sam than with Carly. Carly just seems to draw all the brain cells out of her men.

Drew asking if Danny was seeing a therapist -- anyone close to Sonny should have a therapist on retainer long ago.

Drew to Scout:  "I thought about you every single day."  Unspoken: when I wan'ts thinking about Carly so maybe 4 minutes a day.

I don't care about Curtis and his emo stuff. I DON'T CARE.

[Annika - General Discussion]

2 hours ago, Daff said:

I assumed that block was used by the husband to get rid of the body.

Or the freezer was used to freeze Rowan (?) instead of the ice for the sculpture. Since they were always freezing and moving giant blocks of ice, the husband must has had some mechanical means to lift them.

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Isn't Danny (oof, bless that actor';s heart because...) a tad on the old side to have to have his candy checked?

Given Sam's love of toffees, I wonder if they're checking his candy to snatch the best ones first.

As much as I didn't like Jason, Danny feeling responsible for not making Charlotte behave and Sam saying that he's just like his father was nice continuity.

I wonder if Danny is aware that Charlotte is related not just to Rocco but to him and Scout as well.

 

 

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

So Drew saved Willow's life, and Carly got Drew out of prison. #CarlysLogic

Drew remembered Scout!  I'm shocked.

I'm glad that the infectious disease genius isn't the one to treat Charlotte's gun shot wound.

Valentine to Jake: "It wasn't your fault." Me: It was your's Valentine. You should have told Anna that Charlotte trashed her hotel room.

3 minutes ago, PatsyandEddie said:

Sweet scenes between Laura and Esmé.

They really were. I like it/ when people treat Esme for who she is right now and not what she did in the past.

Why is Esme supporting Ace on her salary? What about the millions that is the Cassadine estate, Ace should be getting enough from that to support him as the next Cassadine heir.

8 minutes ago, jacourt said:

I thought Anna told Dante to take Jake to the hospital to Elizabeth. She would stay with the officers. Then she’s at the hospital. Did I have a senior moment?  I don’t remember dozing. But of course this being the pcpd the shooter is allowed to leave the scene. 

No, you're right. I assumed that the officers took her to the hospital at her request although why they would I have no idea.

8 minutes ago, rur said:

Let's hope that side pain he had when Carly wasn't looking will lead to his death. 

Fingers crossed. 🤞 Unfortunately Nina will get blamed for it if he dies.

This Drew is such a waste of space. And Carly's vanilla milkshakes are the very best thing ever.  Hey Drewfus, how about phoning the mother of your child to tell her that you're out so she can tell Scout before you go off to bang all night.

On 11/3/2023 at 8:10 PM, perkie1968 said:

The character should be 10yrs old, but they SORASed her to 13ys.  With Jake being 16 and Charlotte 15, it's not too farfetched that she's hanging with them.

Aiden is the same age as Charlotte so Jake has to be at least 17. I wonder if the show will have him thinking about college or isn't he important enough?

[Annika - General Discussion]

Episode 2.4

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Annika reflects on 1984 when the team is flown to the Hebridean islands to investigate the death of a man found in a block of ice.

Harper: "I transferred from Edinburgh to join your team; weren't you told?"

Michael: "Annika likes to wait a few years before she tells me the big stuff."

😆

Harper: "I had a marine scientist crunch some numbers for us."

Annika: "At six o'clock in the morning?"

Harper (deadpan): "She has kids. She was up anyway."

😆

Harper: "Mostly like white, male, middle-aged,:

Michael: "Where did you get that bit?"

Harper: "He's dressed like you."

Beyond the homicides, it's a very funny show.

[Season 1 - Episodes 1 through 11 Discussion]

On 10/31/2023 at 2:20 PM, cfinboston said:

The last episode was just absurd. How did Gabi need a depraved criminal mind to recognize that overuse of the word "phonies" was from "Catcher in the Rye"?

The show needs a way to justify Gabi keeping Sir captive in her basement. Otherwise it makes no sense at all.

And even with this, it's a very twisted thing for Gabi to be doing.

On 11/4/2023 at 11:26 AM, sharifa70 said:

I want to like this show but I’m having a hard time because I don’t see any way out for Gabi. You just don’t come back from keeping someone locked in your basement for a year - even this someone.

Exactly. I don't know how the show is going to write their way out of this one unless he is a figment of her imagination. It's not like she actually needs him to solve the cases.

Unfortunately, I find the Sir plots both present day and back in time to be the most boring parts of the show.  My eyes glaze over when he appears on screen, especially in the past time scenes. Maybe if I knew why he wanted to create a young woman in his image it might help

[Irrational Season 1 Eps 1-6]

After reading the comments here, I had high hopes for this episode. MJW and Jesse Martin were both fun.

But while the story was good, the social psychology is just as bad as it ever was. You don't just get an idea for an experiment and do it the next day, you have to get approval from the university ethics board and that's going to take a few months and substantial paperwork.

Supporting the police is not irrational if you have never been treated unfairly by them, we teach children that if they get into trouble, ask a cop.

Joy Reid seems to be making the rounds, a couple of weeks ago she was on Found and now she's here on The Irrational.

Are they aging up Kylie to match JLM? There was no way that the actress was in college 20 years ago.

On 11/2/2023 at 10:54 AM, Johannah said:

What about what Alec said to the 2nd cop made him tell the 1st cop to leave?  I didn't think it was anything profound and he must have used a Jedi mind-trick or something...  these are not the droids you want...

It was a highly publicized case, all over the press. If the cops arrested the sister of the expert witness going up against the cops, or even the witness himself, it would look bad for the cops.

[GH In The News: The PC Press Club]

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Drew tries to enlist Michael to make a power move.

Because his decision to merge Aurora with ELQ worked so well?  Give it up, Drewfus.

[Season 4 Discussion Thread]

On 11/3/2023 at 5:01 PM, Ohmo said:

Doing this "start at the bottom" thing again after three years is getting old.  He's been doing that for the length of the show.  Let him advance professionally.

You need to speak to the Canadian Medical Association about that. This is possibly the most realistic scripted medical show on TV and in this they are sticking to the facts.

Episode 4x5 "Heart":

June's boyfriend from season 1 is back, just in time for her fertility treatments. I missed him, he's a good stabilizing influence on June.

Owen, the boy with Sensory Processing Disorder is back too and now he has a diagnosis of mass cell activation syndrome. I'm glad that they are drawing attention to it. It's one of those diseases where even a few years ago patients would have been told that it's all in their heads and they're being a hypochondriac.

My station ran an ad for Kids Help Phone right after the scene where Theo gives Owen the number for their line. Nice placement.

Theo has learned from his mistakes and carefully informs the patient before he does anything to him.

Bash's fugue moments are back. It's hard on him but I'm glad to know that it isn't being swept under the carpet.

I'm not surprised that Mags is a super overachiever between her medical problems and her controlling mother.

On 10/29/2023 at 6:49 AM, marinw said:

I am interested to see what happens with intern Ryan. There must be a way to be tough while not being a complete asshat. June is trying to find that balance, Novak not so much.

Novak shouldn't have said what he did but from what the older doctors tell me, that's the way that attendings have been treating juniors. What Ryan did could have got the patient killed so his insistence that he be treated with kid gloves seems very arrogant to me.

[Season 4 Discussion Thread]

Episode 4x5 "Heart"

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Bash helps Mags with a favour and navigates a challenge with Karim.

 

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

Shut up Sam, Carly doesn't need even more kissing up.

I guess the writers heard how much the viewers hated Molly being such a bitch.

Kevin telling Laura his psychological evaluation of Charlotte is why you shouldn't treat friends of family members.

Poor Scout and her candy for her father. Drew gets out of jail and he heads straight to Carly.

Why is Charlotte reading through Anna's papers? I want Anna to catch her, just to end this storyline.

19 hours ago, Daisy said:

. So Michael is deliberately hurting his son, because he can't handle the fact that Mommy and Daddy aren't together anymore.  Like grow the everloving hell up. 

But that's consistent, it's the Carly in him.  Willow wanted to know her mother and Carly decided that she didn't need to know.  They always decide for other people what's best for them ignoring what the other wants.

Let's see if Michael lets Nina go on the trip to Montreal.

21 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

Unless Harmony is warning Willow about her controlling husband or she’s hallucinating due to a terminal brain tumor, I can do without those scenes as well

I don't appreciate the constant teasing of a storyline that I really don't want to see. Nina spent two years apologizing to the Carlys for existing. The last thing I want to see is even more piling up on Nina. Time to pile up on Carly or Michael instead for the things that they actually did.

Georgie should have been with the children at Carly's private party and Aiden trick or treating with the teens.

9 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Isn't a 92 an A?

An A+. But Harvard is the #1 ranked medical school in the US and Johns Hopkins is #4 (I can't remember what the third acceptable school is) so if It's those three or bust, I feel for Adam. Did his parents go to any of those schools? Because a legacy leg up would help.

It does remind me of the old joke though: What do you call the person who came last in his medical school class?

A: Doctor.