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I actually think it's more plausible that someone came in and did it rather than trying to pin it on the idea that Darlie did it. This is another one of those cases where I actively find myself HATING the prosecutors. That one dude is a smug asshole with his absolute ASSURANCES that Darlie was some money crazed vixen. She was a beautiful woman who liked to look nice, that made her a killer? And the one juror with making her judgment based on a video that was taken out of context....UGH. That's what bugs me about jurors. They live in the delusion of "Well IIIIII would never do that." No one cares what you would do. We're asking you to consider the evidence you were presented with which was flimsy, at best, not to consider what you would do in the situation. She struck me as a white woman who would call the cops because a 12 year old black kid mowed part of her lawn accidentally. And the nurses....ARGHHHHHHHHH. I so hate the idea that when someone is involved in a tragedy they can never find joy in anything again. Darlie was supposed to what? Never smile or laugh again? I always wonder what some of these prosecutors do in their private lives. Do they just walk around with sour pusses constantly because they were a victim of something terrible? It seemed to me like she was trying to celebrate with some friends and family and didn't want to burst into tears right there in front of everyone. I felt the same way when a tragedy happened to me. Stop making people seem like they are assholes because they find joy in something after they lose someone they loved.

People aren't perfect and Aubree should understand that. I think this isn't giving Aubree much credit in saying that she can't really understand it. If you find the right language, she can understand it. If you explain to her that people make shitty choices and say shitty things then when she sees it she'll understand . Why shouldn't she see her grandparents saying bad things about her dad? It's the truth. Let her know she absolutely has the right to ask them to stop as well as to let them know it's not ok. Why should they get out of having to answer for it? As for seeing her mother consistently going back for Adam despite his treatment of her, that is a FANTASTIC way for Chelsea to introduce Aubree to the idea of "This is why we don't spread our legs for any boy who sweet talks us into bed". As well as "This is why we go and get ourselves an education and a life of our own before some idiot 16 year old boy thinks they can walk up and derail you from your plans." And then finish it out with "This is how we value ourselves and don't allow someone to treat us this way. Because I did. And it took me a decade to get it right. Learn from my mistake." And I think Aubree should definitely see her father calling her a mistake. Because Adam should have to answer for that. He should have to look her dead in the eyes and figure out how to explain it. God knows no one else has ever made that dumbass answer for anything in his life...please, let it be Aubree who finally does. Aubree isn't ever going to escape the pain of her father being a jackass or her family being less than perfect. If you ask me, sweeping it under the rug and hoping the kid doesn't find out never did anyone any favors. Kids should be given the tools and the power to be able to discuss these kinds of things if that's what their lives entail. Aubree is an exceptionally bright kid who would probably get it without too much of a discussion surrounding it. I don't know why everyone feels like she should be shielded. I grew up knowing full well my aunts and uncles were drug addicted morons...my parents didn't hide it from me. So I grew up never going near drugs, not even pot. I've never taken anything. I watched them destroy themselves and their children for their next fix and only now are they getting their shit together. Me and my brother both said no thanks...and we've never gone anywhere near it. There is something to be said for letting kids know shitty things happen....that's all I'm saying.

I know I'm in the minority on this and I'm ok with it...but I don't really think it's that detrimental for Aubree to know her parents had a rough go of it and don't much like each other. I also don't think it's bad for her to know her father is useless. I think she should know these things. I'm not saying Chelsea should break out the youtube links and start discussing it...but if she finds them...ok. Chelsea's response at that point should be to explain to her that sometimes adults don't make great choices. Sometimes adults don't like each other. Sometimes adults screw up. Give Aubree a foundation for the understanding that you can love someone WITHOUT needing their validation in return. Aubree is now old enough to understand her parents are fallible. She can love her dad, but she's not responsible for his choices. She can love her dad but she can also say she doesn't agree with how he lives his life and the choices he makes so she can choose NOT to be a part of it. My parents didn't get along growing up. And they were married. If you think you're keeping anything from them just because you don't discuss it when a kid is in the room, you're so very wrong. I grew up hoping and praying that they would divorce just so they would shutup. I grew up with the understanding that adults aren't perfect and sometimes people make shitty decisions. I also grew up with an aversion to being emotionally manipulated because I was so exposed to it growing up. My point is that I've never been a proponent of keeping the truth from kids. Don't cart it out in front of them, but if they find out...they find out. Then explain it to them. In my experience, keeping them in the dark is more for the parent than it is for the kid. Chelsea does a pretty good job explaining the fact that Adam has issues, she would be able to handle those conversations. I don't see her being on this show as detrimental. She seems like a pretty happy go lucky kid despite the fact that her father is a douchebag.

I need someone to explain to me the obsession every male under 25 has with Drake. Please. Because I was forced to listen to his new CD this morning at the gym and I never finished a workout quicker. He is...TERRIBLE. His voice could put insomniacs to sleep. He sings with the same affect in his voice EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. How is this considered the rapper of a generation? I wanted to pour bleach in my head by the time it was over. I don't think I've ever hated someone's music before so intensely. Jesus....make him stop.

Has anyone seen that documentary "Every Fucking Day of My Life"? It's about a woman who lived with a man who was a sadistic abuser...like this dude was top 10 of real assholes. She and her son ended up killing him one night after having had enough. There was quite a bit in the doc about how cops would come to the house repeatedly because neighbors would call after hearing her or the kids screaming. And this wasn't just your run of the mill "OUCH" kind of stuff. The house they lived in was riddled with holes in walls and doors due to him slamming their heads into them. The cops would roll up, knock on the door, ask her if she was ok and then leave. They never went into the house. They never pushed it any further. They simply asked whoever answered the door if everything was ok and then they left. I think "wellness checks" are bullshit and a waste of time. More often than not the person being abused says they're fine and at that point the cop can't do anything. Now more than ever, a cops hands are tied after a woman says she's alright. They can't continue to push the issue until they witness something or see something to give them probable cause to enter the house. So, IMO people online doing this are doing nothing but wasting the officer's time.

I use it. I'm not southern. The thing that's scary with David, Jenelle and people like them is they use their religion and their morality as an excuse. Because most of their brethren are probably super pro-police as most who are "YAY GUNS!" are. But David sits there admonishing Jenelle for talking to a police officer. So like, if you're black it's not ok to disrespect and slam a door in a police officer's face because they are have false information or are bothering you without cause, but if you're David you can....because you had a reason. People like them are what's wrong with this country. David's so religious but he walks around cussing and threatening to beat people into the ground and it's fairly obvious he's abusing Jenelle and he's spouting stupid shit about the LGBTQ+ community....I mean, maybe I missed those passages in the bible. Can someone direct me to where it says it's ok for you to be a giant asshole? It seems like a lot of people think it's in there somewhere and I've yet to find it. Reading his Twitter rant makes me sick. How do you make those comments about other people? How do you stand by someone making those comments? Jenelle is as disgusting as he is. I'm happy to watch Leah and Chelsea if for no other reason than it's a break from the other three trainwrecks who can't get their shit together. Kail is a raging bitch to everyone she speaks to, I dunno how she has a constant stream of friends. It LOOKS like she is grateful for Jo and therefore treats him accordingly and I hope that continues but Jesus...take it down to a two Kail. Jenelle is a waste of space. And Brianna needs to get away from her mother ASAP. That kind of dramatic show is ridiculous. Roxanne is eye roll worthy. She makes me cherish my own mother.

David's 0-60 anger with the VP was concerning. Dude, take it down to a four. I hate it when people go off like that immediately when it's clear someone is trying to be accommodating. You have a VP at your house, that right there signifies the company is concerned and trying to help because no VP I work for comes out for just any complaint. They know you're on TV and are aware of your Twitter followers. Give them a chance before you start yelling threats. Kailyn with Javi as well. He walked in looking fairly ready to sit down with her and hash it out and she gets up on her hind legs. I agree with her that he should've told Briana to sit the fuck down, but Kail's absolute DEMAND he do that just rubbed me the wrong way. If you have to demand respect that person doesn't respect you. Kail needs to figure that out. Briana is not interested in Javi, that much is obvious. Why she is dragging out it is...odd. Storyline? Must be. Because I don't give a shit about her. Even with Javi. I think Chelsea needs to go to court to nix visitation with Aubree and all parties of the Lind family period. Don't care if Aubree loves her dad, don't care about those who thinks she needs a relationship with him. Nope. Him and his family are toxic to her at the moment and it's time they get told the hard way. They are unconcerned with her well being and they don't care to abide by Chelsea's wishes as far as involving Aubree in Adam's bullshit. Take them to court and end the relationship until Adam can pass a drug test. And even then...grandparents are not involved. Since it's clear Adam's mother can't keep her trap shut. I'm actually rooting for Jeremy and Leah here. I don't keep up with these girls outside of the show so maybe this relationship has already crashed and burned again but I have a soft spot in my heart for people who realize they did someone wrong and take responsibility for that. Jeremy said something shitty on camera so he made sure his apology was also on camera so that EVERYONE who heard him say the shitty thing could also hear him apologize for it. Commendable. Especially when we're currently living in a climate where men are throwing shade at women for ever uttering their name in the same sentence as "harassment".

Not the worst....that distinction belongs to Creed. But they're up there.

Personally, I don't care what period of time passed. This is a kid, not a dog. You don't get to just decide you want to be a dad four months after the kid is born. And I can compare him to Jo. So I did. He's made no attempt to be a father to that kid until this point. Regardless of anything, Jo never let Kail get in the way of him being a father to Isaac. Period. Jo was also 8 years younger than Chris is at this point and he still figured it out. Kail is a hosebeast, no doubt...but it's not like it's a secret. Chris could have googled her beforehand to find that out, even if he didn't he was marginally aware of what was happening with Javi...that should have at least been a red flag to back away. There's plenty of evidence around to see how she treats people/men in her life. Should've wrapped it up. It's not like her dazzling personality and striking good looks were the reason he slept with her. She was willing and he was horny. Well, now you get to deal with the bitch and the kid that resulted. Have fun with that, Pal. I refuse to believe there was nothing that could have been worked out before the kid was born. I have no sympathy for either of them. If he has to deal with supervised visits and Kail for the rest of his life that's his problem. He made his choice. No one forced him into anything.

Everything about this is awesome. Because Taylor Swift deserves to be told her music is boring.

I'm not really defending Kail...more pointing out that Chris has some responsibility for what's gone on...but here goes. Chris is not void of any culpability. If he doesn't want to deal with Kail then maybe he should've thought about that before impregnating her. If he's a college graduate, chances are he's educated enough to be well aware that the courts are available to him. Since it seems their breakdown happened well before she had the kid, he could've gotten a lawyer and gone to court to make sure this was all buttoned up and a DNA test was performed before Lux ever popped out. Disappearing for a time and then reappearing after the kid is born to decide he suddenly wants to be a part of the kid's life is...bullshit. Kail would have fought him tooth and nail for sure, but once it was proven it was his kid then he should've been there without letting her get in the way. And I'm really tired of men using the difficulty of the women they impregnate as an excuse to take off. Keep your dick in your pants if you're not willing to deal with the woman you're having sex with for 18 years. Does he need supervised visits? Probably not. But how is anyone to know since he hasn't been around? Jo has figured out a way to co-exist with Kail and while it was a battle at first he never backed off from wanting to be Isaac's father nor did he ever let Kail get in his way with her bullshit. And they co-parent pretty successfully now. Chris is not exactly a saint in this situation. LMAO

I always have issues with people who get angry about anything involving bodily functions. This includes people who lose it when dogs piss or poop in the house as well as people who get angry while potty training or dealing with children and their bathroom habits. You are in control of whether or not they even CAN go to the bathroom because you are the caretaker and to stand there and start yelling when there's an accident just drives me nuts. My brother constantly starts in on me for not disciplining my dog when he pees in the house. Well, he rarely does it. In fact, he's pretty spot on about not doing it. So if he does, chances are there's an issue and it's my fault for not noticing since he's pretty good about telling me when he needs to go out. Why on earth should I discipline HIM because I didn't get off my ass to take him out? Do you wait when you have to go to the bathroom? It's the same thing with a child. Get up off your ass and take them to the bathroom. I don't care if it's the 14th time they've said it in a 20 minute time span. Don't start yelling about how they're gonna get in trouble. WTF? Kaiser is gonna grow up getting UTI after UTI because he holds it. Other than that...I hate Briana. Hate. With the fire of 10,000 suns. I don't care if Kail is the biggest bitch ever to walk the planet, Briana beats her in every way. If I was Luis I would run screaming. Nothing he ever does will be good enough for her or her family. Can't stand Brittany either. She's one of those girls who immediately starts yelling about how she's gonna kick someone's ass whenever they test her and I find that trashy.

I agree as well. If I'm expected to believe Duane Deaver even after it was proven he was a lying POS then I could believe an owl attacked her. God that lady with the red lipstick just got on my last nerve. "They are TRIED and TRUE....because they work for us." Um, what?

I wholeheartedly agree with this. There was a lot of "Well she may have" or "it's likely she saw" where there is no actual evidence of that happening. And with the rash of putting people in jail who have been wrongfully convicted, this is NOT enough anymore. It irritates me to no end when prosecutors go off on crap like this as if it matters. And the sad thing is, to most jurors IT DOES. C'mon now people. Stop watching so much Dateline and expecting everything to be tied up in a nice little bow like CSI shows you. Unless there is more credible evidence then "we THINK they had a fight and we THINK he pushed her down the stairs and we THINK...." I don't care what you think. I care what you can prove. This very well could be true. One problem...you can't prove it. And unless you can prove it, it doesn't belong anywhere in the trial. I don't think he did it. I find her family to be insufferable with their assurances that he did. I'm always put off by family members who are so immediate and steadfast in their beliefs that "my sister would never have allowed that". In my experience, you have no idea what she allowed and did not allow within her marriage. What she would have discussed or not discussed within or outside of the confines of her marriage and to be so assured that you would have known is laughable. My mother was the strongest woman on he planet who preached to me about the dangers of depression and suicide and how she never in a million years would do that to her family. Wanna know how she died? Suicide. To this day we have family members exclaiming there is no way she ever would've done that. Know what? You weren't living with her the last 5 years of her life when she quite literally decided she was done. Point is...if you're not living with someone, you don't know what goes on in their house. You don't know what they find acceptable. You don't know what she would have kept a secret, because to be honest her husband being bisexual is nobody else's business. I probably wouldn't discuss it with my closest friends either. The prosecution were right up there on my hate scale with the prosecution for the West Memphis 3. Their arrogance and smugness and smartass attitudes through the entire documentary made me see red. You are dealing with someone's life and the death of their spouse who was a mother to children who are watching this...how about you keep your sarcastic side comments to yourself? That bitch with the red lipstick made me especially angry. And they were seriously SERIOUSLY skirting the line of being homophobic with their absolute INSISTENCE that because he lied about being bisexual and had sex with men it meant he was a killer. I'm shocked they didn't skip with glee out of the courtroom when they got their verdict. At this point, I don't care if he did it. They put a known liar on the stand who had been proven he was misleading with his testing and let him spin a story because it fit their theory and there is no excuse for that kind of recklessness. Prosecutors like that should be thrown in jail for at least as long as the people they wrongfully convict because they don't have enough evidence and decide to mislead the jury with smoke and mirrors instead.