Tuxcat

Ironic that in season one they thought Megan Flaherty was unpolished and lacking poise. It's been a long time since that Jackie book was read.

For the record I agree with all of this. Except I was never blaming Jinelle. I simply said that she is not qualified to counsel someone about weight. I also said that I understand the emotions and shame that VK likely was feeling. Just read this board. Shame is a huge part of the obesity epidemic in the US. Does that excuse VK from not seeking out proper resources? No. Do I think DCC is responsible for helping VK? No. Do I think VK should have sought out proper treatment before training camp? Yes. Do I think VK was being immature about the entire situation? Yes.

Yes I assume VK's assertion that she has a genetic or biological struggle with weight is the truth. Because it is. The scientific evidence is very clear on this subject. Only people trained with the proper knowledge to counsel someone appropriately should be utilized otherwise you do more harm than good - long term. It's not just about milkshakes. I'm done making my point.

Jinelle has NEITHER the empathy needed NOR the training necessary. She is not a certified nutritionist, fitness coach or personal trainer. I agree that it is not DCC that is responsible for VK's health. I just understand why VK would blow off Jinelle and feel as if she needed to lie. Yes, you are correct. VK does need to find a team to help her. She will struggle her entire life.

The point is that Jinelle was not an appropriate mentor for someone with genetic and biological struggles with weight. She is a very healthy person and works hard for that. But she lacks the the ability to empathize. And she lacks the fundamental understanding for why some people struggle and some people do not. The very reason that VK thought she had to lie to begin with is the problem. She is ashamed and afraid. Even if she doesn't have a thyroid condition, weight struggle is a very real medical condition. Judgment is not necessary.

Just throwing this out there regarding editing. I've been re- watching all the earlier seasons. By week 5 most of the TCC are still a mess and forgetting choreo and looking awkward. Judy is yelling at all of them frequently. So the fact that Dayton could have overcome the memory mistakes is valid. It was only week 5 when she was cut. Maybe I don't understand the reason for making early cuts. They kept saying "we have to cut someone." Why do they have to cut at week 5 If they all have potential.

The science behind why some people have weight problems vs. others is light years ahead of what is out in the public domain. Even medical practitioners are still treating these issues as a will power problem. People have both genetic and biological reasons for being overweight and very often cannot simply just change their habits with the guidance from someone who says "eat clean, eat fresh veggies." It is not that simple and it is not a one size fits all in terms of treatment. VK likely crash dieted to get ready for auditions but her set point weight was higher and her body reverted. Extremely common. The battle will be lifelong and will need constant vigilant monitoring from a variety of angles. A skinny bird on her shoulder who does not have the understanding for what it means to battle and change biology, will not be helpful. In fact it likely made the shame of this process even worse. The social stigma, as evidenced even on this forum, is so unnecessary. Years ago, people were blamed for getting cancer too.

Ok yeah I get that but I'm wondering if they use the CMT footage to make decisions. Like when they start watching back and seeing how some of these girls look and come across. It influences us. Does it influence Kelli and Judy and those final cuts?

Can someone help me with the timeline? I think I remember that the show aired before the final squad was announced and before the last cuts including Tara, VK and the others were made. Are all the episodes packaged and done before they air the premier? Or are they going back and adding scenes and dubbing based on knowing the final team? Is it possible that seeing some of these girls on the CMT first few episodes, and seeing the fans reactions influenced all those final cuts?

Kitty always says she is the DCC technical coach. What does that mean exactly? Does she work with all the girls all year long- or just the select few that choose to work with her?

Just for the record, Kelli did acknowledge that VK was out of control and behind the count in her dance. And VK was warned a few times about her soft midsection - once in the office on camera and at least one time before that as we heard VK indicate she had already been spoken to about the softness. So Kelli knows its not right. Either she is keeping her because of her relationship or she is keeping her for the storyline. Not sure which. I don't think people would cry nepotism if Dayton were simply given more time. She has s such a great look and is a talented dancer. She could have been game ready in time. Between Malena and Dayton, Malena should have gone home. Malena already had a proven track record of not being game ready. They could have kept Dayton longer. Also, is it the style to have all those dark roots now? A lot of the girls have them. I don't like it.

Isn't the writing on the wall? Kitty is there. She loves VK. She doesn't love Dayton. Dayton gets cut. It's too bad because Dayton would have been fine by the end of training camp - she just needed more time and they didn't give her any. Oh well. Onward. Reminds me of Cassie because she needed more time and they did give it to her. Judy knew she could do it and that was all that was needed to look the other way until she got game ready. Even though they both prepared, I assume VK took prep with Kitty and Dayton didn't?

Amazing how once you put the names there you can totally see them. It was a blurry mess to me before and now crystal clear! Thx. Ok, so what do the blue stickers mean?

and there are little symbols on some of the pics which I think indicate show group

I definitely thought the second row started with Tara and see how the picture is a little farther apart than the others. Assume Tara might be a Kitty victim. Perhaps that's already been addressed. Is this in group order or something? That looks like Maddie way down center bottom.

5 HOURS AGO, BIGSKYGIRL SAID: "Somebody with better skills than me try to zoom in at :22 and see what order those photos on the white board" I tried but it was too blurry. Maybe someone else is savvy.

Honestly I could see Tina or even Kelli telling VK this was why she got cut.

Funny I just finished re watching that season. It was the last week of training camp and she was having trouble with the entrance. She was doing the jump splits again by that point though. There were 4 girls on the border. Chandler (aka grandma), Breelan, Ashley and Vivian. They keep Ashley and Breelan (wrong decision). Vivian made less mistakes than those two. They cut her because of the "fame pressure" and likely because she was not a team player - too much of a distraction. Familiar?

Covered for her how exactly? There are pieces to this story that don't add up. It's clear VK is gaining weight. Even her latest instragram post shows the same problem. If she tried to explain her weight gain as being do to a thyroid condition then where was her own doctor's note? Or did she just say I don't know why I'm gaining weight and then she was sent to the cowboys doctor to find out why? If she had a known thyroid problem she would not need a cowboys doctor. Her PCP is more than capable of addressing it and managing it. I agree that lying is unacceptable however I don't really understand why she was made to go in the first place. I also don't see how Jinelle could cover up a missed appointment. It's on the record and likely HIPPA doesn't apply because she probably signed a waiver regarding health issues as she entered TCC.

Both VK and Tina have retweeted CMT promotions of the show as of September. VK also posted a gushing thank you to DCC and Kelli and promised to come back next year healthier. They aren't upset and angry.

I honestly don't know how anyone can judge any of these girls. We are shown snippets of dance and slow motion whooshes. We have no way of knowing how these girls look on the whole within their groups at training camp. We can't make judgments without more evidence and I'm sorry 3 second glimpses don't count. Sure we can go to Instagram and look at their solos but even that does not give us insight for how they move with a team. When I look at VK as a solo dancer she has some beautiful moments . But she is also very large in her movement and I do wonder if they eventually cut her because she can't dance on the TEAM. She seems less aware of space when you watch her prep classes. But none of us can really say she's a terrible dancer. She's not. And regarding the weight issue. There are MANY vets who look equally chunky right now. Even Dayton who is incredibly gorgeous has a rounder figure. I don't see VKs weight as a major sticking point comparatively.

I understand that Gina is a wonderful dancer however every time I watch her she seems ahead of others. Someone commented previously that it was because she puts extra pops and hair flips in. However in the contemporary routine for show group when she was "telling a story" she was so far ahead. Was that purposeful?

I know it's every season and am sure it's been addressed on here before -- but I have to say it again. Way too many slow- mo wooooooooshes. I can't stand them. Let the girls dance in real time and stop moving the camera so much. Thanks CMT. Also I don't mind Jay segments in general -but I agree this was too staged. Does Jay actually help the girls in day to day training camp? or is his role purely made for tv?

Oh thank you!! That was my first guess but wasn't sure. They all have the same hair. LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC-9xTTWihU Not sure if I can post youtube here or not but the title of the video is : dallas cowboys cheerleaders: MJ dance medley Am sorry if this video has been posted here before. It's 1988 and I see Kelli right up front but can't locate Tina Kalina in the video. Was looking to see if her dance was "big" like VK. Can anyone see if she's in there?