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I liked that Natalie pushed Monk to pay for supplies like his wipes and to get a contract with the police. I liked that she was not another nurse, but more of an assistant. Sharona was more of a "character", but with Monk being so over the top, I found Natalie to be a good "straight man" balance.
Sharona was more entertaining, but I'd rather work with someone like Natalie.
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The von Trapps were married for ten years before they fled Ausrria. The movie compressed the timeline. The captain also had ten children, not seven, and all of their names were changed. Captain Von Trapp was also said to be a gentle and loving father, and Maria had a violent temper during their marriage.
The family also got no money from the movie or musical because of the contract Maria had signed when she wrote her first book.
If the Duggars looked into her story, I actually think they would like Maria even more. In her later life she joined a sort of evangelical movement within the Catholic church that placed greater emphasis on a personal relationship with God. She also had three children with the captain (and several miscarriages). She was very resourceful is finding sources of in income, as well.
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1 minute ago, floridamom said:
I had the same question, riverblue22. What are the credentials of the midwife with Joy and Austin? They didn't address that in the clip. I found Joy to be quite unprepared to have a baby at this time in her life. She simply was clueless about what goes on and relied yet again on ignorance and that 'it'll all work out, somehow". This girl was scared to death to have a c-section, yet accepted substandard pre natal care for herself and her child. Perhaps proper monitoring of her pregnancy could have avoided a C-section in the end. A proper professional would have noticed the sheer size of Giddyup AND Joy's pelvic spread and determined it would have been safer for both of them to deliver him induced a bit early.
Such ignorance prevails. I'm sorry for these kidults who weren't given good information about life in general by their parents. Yet, these kidults, deemed 'mature' enough to marry remain clueless about the real world and how it really works. Not so scary and evil after all...how many times did properly trained medical professionals save the Duggar daughters' hides AND Michelle with her numerous pregnancies?
The size of a baby is NOT a good reason to induce early delivery. ACOG is pretty clear on that. Also, there is no exam that can determine is a woman's pelvic structure allows for delivery. I delivered an 11 lb baby naturally, and I have a small/average build. If anything, she would have benefited from prenatal exercises to help with positioning the baby, and had the option of an external cephalic version before going into labor.
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29 minutes ago, Heathen said:
They must not know that 1. The von Trapps were Catholic, and 2. Maria von Trapp was well into pregnancy when she married Captain von Trapp. For those fundies following along at home, that means Fraulein Maria and Captain von Trapp YOU KNOW! DID IT! before they were married. :O
Where did you get the information that Maria was pregnant before the wedding? Their first child was born over a year later. From her autobiography, she was surprisingly naive about sex (considering that she was raised an atheist and attended college) when she got married, and she really married him more because she loved the children. I even remember her having some misconception that she could marry the captain, raise the children, and then go back to the convent.
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Regarding wearing skirts for work: I lived with three fundamentalist ladies in an apartment in college, and they generally felt comfortable doing anything in a skirt. At least two did switch to pants before graduation, though, and now they even cut their hair.
Now I live in Amish country. My employer uses a Mennonite lawn service, and for years our crew was all young men. We recently asked to switch the day of the week that they mow, and our new crew is all women. They're out there in apron dresses and hair coverings zipping around on tractors and weed whacking. It was definitely an interesting sight at first.
A few of our employees are Brethren and tend to wear skirts and coverings, along with layered shirts. However, after a recent conversation about my college roommates and how they had changed, one of the ladies showed up in Capri pants. She also broke up with the young man she had been "talking too", partly because he wanted her to only wear dresses. He thought skirts were not modest enough. We work in child care, so she decided that pants would be more modest for getting on the ground to play with kids.
In the real world, I am uber conservative, but among my fundamentalist connections I come across as liberal. Abbie strikes a similar note with me. I never pushed a pants-wearing, hair cutting agenda, but living and working with me does seem to help these women question some of the standards of their culture, probably because they get to know me and see that I share many of their other beliefs,
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10 hours ago, irisheyes said:
My youngest was 9 1/2 lbs at birth, and in the 25%ile for weight by six months. She ate, slept well, and hit all her milestones, so I never worried. Even at 7, she’s still pretty tiny. Birth size doesn’t really equate to body type. He looks happy and healthy, so I’m going to guess he’s ok.
My third was 11 lbs and 23 inches at birth, born at only 38 weeks, too. She is now 3 1/2 years old and has yet to triple her birth weight. She's short and has a tiny frame. Weight checks for the first year drove us nuts, but she is alert and meets all milestones, so eventually we got a pass on her size.
As long as Gideon is content and meeting developmental milestones, I wouldn't worry. I've worked with underfed infants, and they are usually lethargic, fussy, and delayed in social and motor skills.
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The picture showing the tables looks like an effort was made for seating and decorating. I still don't think we have enough info to tell if there was more food other than cupcakes and candy.
My wedding was two weeks before the reception, and only seven people were there. I wanted to elope, but compromised that immediate family could come and we would have a big party later to celebrate. When I hear Lauren's breathy voice, it reminds me of how I sound when I am nervous, emotional, or feeling shy. My heart pounds so hard I can barely breath. That was part of why I didn't want to get married in front of a crowd.
I have wondered if Lauren is just a nervous public speaker. Maybe her real voice isn't so shaky and whispery.
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24 minutes ago, EmeraldGirl said:I was freaked out on my wedding night, and I was no virgin (said in the nicest way). I’d even lived 2000 miles away for college. But I never lived with a man (even though we dated over a year). I have no idea how these kids can go for the whole physical and mental shebang all in one day (do you like all my Jill style parentheses?).
I was a virgin when I got married, but I was also 27 and had been to college, grad school, and had a career. I'd lived alone for five years at that point. I was not freaked out, because I knew that I was getting married because I wanted to, and for no other reason.
I hope that Josiah and Lauren have a happy private life, regardless of what they look like on film. My wedding was very low key, with only 7 guests, because I hated the idea of such a meaningful event being in front of lots of people. I'm going to hope that Josiah was just overwhelmed.
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4 hours ago, doodlebug said:
Yep, there is also the fact that this particular school deals with a lot of kids who were homeschooled for religious, not academic, reasons and there is no way for them to be assured of the quality of their application pool. They've been around long enough to have a pretty good idea of how many kids they need to admit in order to graduate X number of them. Some kids are cannon fodder at any school.
I attended a major state university (you might even say THE state university) and there were plenty of kids in my freshman class who started out in premed (there was an 'adjusting to college' weekly class everyone took and we were divided as to our aspirations). And, yet, at least half those kids, presumably pretty good students to be thinking of med school in the first place, quit or switched majors by the end of their first year. Of those who started wanting to go to med school, maybe a quarter of us crossed the finish line and made it. All colleges have a pyramidal setup and they expect to lose some along the way.
I did grad school at a big state university, and the freshman dropout rate was around 25%. Admissions standards were very low, too. I think the ACT requirement was 17. I taught English 101 and had students who couldn't write coherent sentences. This was back before colleges were doing so many remedial classes.
I think the structure of the tuition at Moody shows that they are not trying to reel in suckers. The rates being lower during the beginning, when students are doing more gen ed courses, bodes well. Hopefully they have a strong academic support program as well.
I work in a field that has both professional and doctrinal standards, and it is incredibly hard to find job candidates who meet both sets of criteria. It is much easier to find prospects who hold the desired set of beliefs and provide training and education, as Moody seems to do for their aviation program.
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1 hour ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:
"Super-gestaters!" I love it! I had two almost 10lb babies and my dad was an 11lb baby. I wish they had told me how much my placentas weighed. I never even thought about that or that I may have had super-efficient placenta. At least I'm super-efficient at something. :)
We must be related somehow, @sleepysuzy! (Hopefully not to the Duggars, too, though.)
Well, some of my people are Nordic, too, so who knows. If I'm related to the Duggars, it'd have to be from pre-American days. My family settled in a different hillbilly state in the 1790s, and never left.
Does anyone know the Duggar family origins?
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21 hours ago, floridamom said:
Wasn't this baby almost 10 pounds at birth? It's almost the weight of TWO babies. There has to be some reason that the Duggar daughters deliver huge babies.
My family produces huge babies. The neonatologist told me that some women's bodies create super-efficient placenta that feed the baby better. My girls were all born in the 38th week of pregnancy, and they were 9 lbs 8 oz, 11 lbs, and 10 lbs 10 oz. The placentas were over 2lbs each time.
My 11 lb daughter spent a month in a NICU due to a lung disease, and she looked so out of place surrounded by tiny micropremies. Now she is 3.5 years old and only in the 20th percentile, short and skinny.
I have a cousins who had two sets of twins 18 months apart. They were all 7.5 lbs - 9 lbs each, so she was carrying over 15 lbs if baby.
Considering the size of some of her nephews at birth, my guess is the Duggar girls are super-gestaters like my family.
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Between the setting, clothes, and music, this felt more like the outer planets on Firefly than American colonial life to me. The witchcraft plot reminded me of the episode Safe. I half expected Mal and Zoe to bust into the tavern to start a fight on Unification day.
Seriously, I just started Jamestown on Amazon. It is enjoyable, but I'm going to pretend that it is set in the Firefly universe so the historical liberties don't bother me.
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On 3/28/2018 at 7:04 PM, queenanne said:
Warning: I don't know how good an assessment this is as I'm not a medical person, but this lady seems to know her stuff. For those who wanted to know the difference between a trained midwife and Jill's type:
The Skeptical OBis the opposite extreme of the childbirth spectrum from the Duggers. She is opposed to homebirth and vbac, and basically comes across as thinking women should blindly accept whatver their doctors say when it comes to birth. Groups like ICAN and Birth Right exist because of doctors like her. She can provide some good information, like this article, but she definitely has a bias.
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On 2/1/2018 at 3:19 PM, ramble said:
Fringe - a very, very close second, the White Tulip episode is one of my favorite episodes of any show.
Fringe is the only show that left me thinking they actually had a plan for the entire series. I love that. I get invested in shows that do the epic story angle, but they almost universally fall apart a few seasons in. Fringe was the exception.
Avatar: The Last Airbender would be my other pick for similar reasons
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6 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:
Some parts of my body were wrecked by having two almost 10 lb babies in 19 months. Some things (especially my pelvic floor) aren't ever gonna be the same (even with physical therapy, etc).
These people are nuts.
1.) Jill Duggar (who is not a licensed midwife of any kind and thinks that listening to heartbeats & timing contractions is all the prenatal/birthing care one needs)....because this family is stupid to the point of having no Fs to give about the health/lives of the women-breeders & babies. And yes, they should have been in hospitals/birthing centers, etc.
2.) The Duggar girls seem to have big babies. I had two almost 10 lbs babies in the past 3.5 years. I didn't have gestational diabetes. My father weighed 11lbs when he was born in the 1940s. My dad and my husband's dad are both 6'4". My husband's grandfather was 6'7". I was not overweight when pregnant and my babies were generally longer rather than chubby, if that makes sense. I had them vaginally and yes, it was indeed ROUGH, but plenty of women have babies around this size (and do it vaginally). Plenty of babies are born around 10lbs to healthy moms and are healthy babies. I'm taller than the Duggar girls (5'7"-5'8"ish) and obviously come from taller, sturdier people than the Duggars (none of them are very tall & plenty of them are what I'd call "short") as does my husband - we are just bigger people genetically and our family members are taller than most of the Duggars. I'm not sure why the comparatively small Duggar women seem to birth big babies like my family does, but it seems they do. While having such big babies isn't necessarily something every woman/family sees often, it happens plenty, even to moms without gestational diabetes, etc. Also, maybe something/someone is trying to tell them something about having tons of kids by "blessing" them with bigger babies. I know from personal experience (and pelvic floor damage) that carrying/birthing ten pound babies definitely makes one somewhat more reluctant to do it again and again and again. (I took the hint from the universe after baby #2 and had my tubes removed.) /sorry for the rant
3.) Well, I mean...it is really noticeable on Austin and the baby. It's something a kid would immediately point out loudly while the adults would know to be a little more tactful when speaking to the media (or at least say the baby has Austin's "nose" rather than "nostrils"). But Joy is basically a kid herself, so....
I am fairly average sized, 5'5" and 145 lbs, with no gestational diabetes, and my babies were 8 lbs 14 oz - 11 lbs. They were all born before the due date, too. All of the women in my maternal line have huge babies. We just have super efficient placenta. It's like the opposite of IUGR.
As for delivering them vaginally, my two biggest were 11 lbs and 10 lbs 10 oz, born 18 months apart and delivered vbac. No stitches. Both had shoulder dystocia and were face up, but my midwives were awesome and delivered them without injury. In similar births, both my mom and mother-in-law were injured by doctors using forceps to pull the baby out. My midwives used maneuvers to reposition me and the baby instead. It hurt at the time, but once they were delivered there was no lasting damage.
My abs are obliterated, but that has nothing to do with mode of delivery.
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3 hours ago, BitterApple said:
To add to that, I think Joy is heavily invested in Austin having a high opinion of her. Even if Austin encourages homebirth for his own selfish reasons ($$$ and lack of insurance), there's no way Joy would ever speak up and disagree if she wasn't feeling it. She's way too insecure and desperate for approval. The only good thing to come of this mess is a C-section means she won't be able to birth fourteen babies for Jesus (or at least, I hope...).
Why not? Didn't Michelle have a csection with Jana and JD?
I had a cs in 2010 after 36 hours of labor due to failure to progrss, and was able to vbac in 2012, 2014, and 2016, with babies who weighed 9.5 to11 lbs, all bigger than my csection baby. We decided not to have any more children, but apparently my uterus is very resilient and I could physically have continued having more.
If her csection was due to breech position only, that does not preclude her from attempting to vbac with subsequent pregnancies. I would just hope she would get better care so a breech presentation is detected and options to help the baby turn are available.
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I had my first vbac 22 months after my csection, in a hospital attended by midwives. The usual preference is 18 months between deliveries. I also have large babies, so that is not a reason to wait longer. Some doctors give extra "rules" for vbac that have much more to do with malpractice insurance than evidence based care.
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13 hours ago, madpsych78 said:
So while I am about 99.9% sure that Sam's 2-week stay in the NICU is likely due to Jill botching things up, for the medical experts on this thread, is there ANY other reason that a full-term baby could possibly stay in the NICU for two weeks? I just want to check.
Part of me wants to goad Derick on Twitter and tell him he should demand his compensation from People for the pictures.
I am not a medical expert, but I've had more personal experience on this matter than most.
All four of my full-time babies (born between 38 and 40 weeks) went to the NICU. The first and second were shorter stays, 7 and 5 days, respectively. The third was 28 days, and the fourth was 14 days. Their diagnoses were: spontaneous pneumothorax, fluid in the lungs, neuroendocrine cell hyperplasia of infancy and meconium aspiration syndrome, and idiopathic dysphagia causing aspiration pneumonia. All four had tachypnea as the primary symptom, with respiratory rates ranging from high 70s to over 100.
I had great prenatal care with all four pregnancies. The first was a csection and the other three were vbac. No prenatal tests indicated anything was amiss, nor could they have done so. My two youngest did qualify for Medicaid, as they came home on feeding tubes for months, and my third has oxygen support and a pulse oximeter as well, and qualified for private duty nurses for 16 hours a day.
They are all fine now. We even did genetic testing, but could not find a common underlying cause for their lung problems at birth.
Given my experience, I will never make assumptions about why another mom is in the NICU. Most of the other babies were premature, and I'm sure we looked out of place there. My sickest baby was also my largest, 11 lbs, so she was HUGE compared to the rest of the babies around her. She even had to be transferred to another NICU after ten days because she needed to see specialists there. While we were there we did meet a few other moms with full term babies who had various rare disorders.
ETA: I also had members of the very active homebirth and anti-vax crowd in my community suggest that hospital birthing and vaccinations were the cause of my babies' illnesses. That door swings both ways.
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5 hours ago, Bitter Betty said:
This is a YMMV situation. My first was almost 9 pounds. I delivered her vaginally and she tore me wide open. It took me 18 months to recover. My second was 7.5 pounds, I had a c-section and it has been 2 months and I'm fully healed. My c-section was SOOOO much better than my vaginal birth.
Either way for Joy, I hope she had whatever works best for her. But my vag still cringes thinking about pushing out a 10 pounder.
I preferred my vbac deliveries over my csection, even the 11 lb baby born face up, but I had no tearing. I get super defensive when people make cringe-faces over large babies. I know women who had major tears with 6 lb babies, too. It really has as mucj to do with tissue elasticity, rate of descent, birthing position, and perineal stretching as size of the baby.
Knowing how hard it was to be a first time mom while recovering from major surgery, I hope either she had an easy vaginal birth or, if it was a cs that she gets tons of extra help.
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2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:
My friend recently had a baby who weighed a little over 9lbs. Her OB said discussions about having a c-section due to baby size don't start until the baby is near 10lbs. And size is an estimation, but with regular prenatal visits most estimates are pretty close, but still could by off by a pound.
Prenatal visits, by trained medical professionals, offer moms and babies the best chances for the best outcomes. Who wouldn't want that? Foregoing, or using casual prenatal care is reckless in my opinion.
The Duggars act as if prenatal care is only to find anomalies and that termination is the only suggested course of action. They're blinded by their righteousness and martyrdom. By making these pregnancies about themselves rather than the babies they put themselves and more importantly, their blessings at risk.
The ACOG does not recommend early induction or csection based solely on suspected macrosomia. The last practice bulletin I saw on the topic said only to consider the option of csection if estimated weight is over 11 lbs, but it wasn't opposed to attempting vaginal delivery first. Lots of doctors do not follow these recommendations, but evidence based practices do.
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On 2/22/2018 at 11:16 PM, DragonFaerie said:
I hope Joy and Austin are smart enough to say, hey, first baby, Joy's water broke, she's like 7 minute contractions - we're off to the hospital! That would be a huge sigh of relief for both Joy and the baby.
They might admit her for broken water, but contractions every 7 minutes are really far apart. I was told to come if contractions were two minutes apart, lasting a minute, for an hour. I have four children, all large babies (9 lbs to 11 lbs), last three were vbac, and two of my labors were very long (36 hours and 44 hours). Even with medical history of all four needing the NICU for breathing problems, the doctors had no reason to admit me before active labor.
If you go in too early, they will just send you home. It happened to me with both of my long labors. At my hospital, the policy now is not to admit until you are dilated to at least 6 cm.
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This episode stirred my feinnien leanings. I did a lot of research on the so-called potato famine and wrote several papers on the topic back in my undergrad days, including quotes from Parliament about the blight solving the "Irish problem" and data about food exports from Ireland to England. I even wrote a competitive literature analysis about songs and poems about the famine, and "Skibbereen" was one of my subjects. Watching this episode was like seeing someone dramatize my English 102 portfolio.
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1 hour ago, doodlebug said:
No, only for extremely premature babies and certain congenital birth defects. Virtually all hospitals provide ‘rating’ for people without insurance, though. They take a look at income and assets and give discounted or free care based on that. Derick and Jill don’t own a home and their TLC income stream ended before Samuel’s birth. They may well have gotten all thei hospital care for free.
if you’re not insured and end up in the hospital, ask to see a social worker or go down to the business office and ask. Them that don’t ask, don’t get.
All four of my kids were full term NICU babies. The two who were discharged healthy after a week did not get any additional assistance, but the two who stayed longer - four weeks and two weeks - and had long term medical needs like feeding tubes and oxygen, both qualified for Medicaid. If Sam came home with am apnea monitor and oxygen for night, as some pictures have indicated, then he might have qualified.
I hope Joy, like most of the young and unprepared mothers I have known, has an uneventful birth and healthy baby. NICU stays are brutal, even for an older mom like me. By the time my 4th was born, I figured the NICU was a foregone conclusion considering our history, but it still sucked. I often felt like my experiences scared other expectant mom' around me, too. I wonder if Jill's birth stories and possible health problems for her youngest have made Joy and Kendra more fearful of giving birth.
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49 minutes ago, Christina87 said:
Me too. I had two roommates like this in college that did everything together and couldn't function separately. We were all in choir together, and it got to the point that everyone in choir was saying, "why are they ALWAYS together?" One would say, "I need to go to the music building," and the other would whine, "but I don't WAAAANT to go to the music building!" They never even considered doing anything separately!
There is a lot of overlap and confusion about the term "enmeshed", "enabling", and "codependent". This blog post some discusses some of the distincton: www.eliterehabplacement.com/blog/break-free-of-an-enmeshed-relationship/
I've been part of many 12 step programs and counseling sessions on the topic. If anything, I'd consider the older Duggar daughters as likely candidates for codependent behavior. They have had to cover up abuse and make their family appear not only functional but even admirable in their roles as sister moms. If you look at a checklist of codependent behaviors, they match pretty closely to many if Jill's more eccentric actions, although of course that is only the small glimpses we have seen.
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The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie
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I had midwives attached to an OB practice, too. The OB did my csection with my first, but my three vbacs were handled by the midwives, even with them being large babies and the two youngest coming out face up.
Jinger may have chosen to travel to get the combination of midwife care in a hospital setting. I moved to another city when I was pregnant with my fourth, but kept driving back to the other practice and delivered at their hospital because they provided the model of care I wanted.