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On 10/5/2021 at 9:13 PM, dovegrey said:
After the latest episode, I still think the key to the Tim mystery is the note on Oliver's door + Winnie being poisoned. Now we know for sure that Tim was poisoned before he died, and there is a strong likelihood that Evelyn the Cat died from being exposed to the poison. And now we have a note on Bassoonist Jan's door shortly before she is attacked. Unless the notes are completely unrelated to the bad events that occur after them (unlikely given recent events), whoever left the notes likely poisoned Tim. That begs the question: who, by the end of Episode 3, was aware enough of the new podcast to leave a note on Oliver's door and poison Winnie in an attempt to stop the podcast? Ursula, the mail lady who handles/distributes all the packages and sold the guys Gutmilk in exchange for the file on Tim. (Episode 3 also introduced Teddy and Jan. Both have been ruled out, right?)
Replying to myself… Just rewatched Episode 3. Oliver published the first episode of the podcast “an hour ago,” and they had four listens “in only an hour,” with one comment that apparently trashed Charles with “Charles Hayden Savage is a…”. This scene ended with Oliver going to his apartment and immediately finding the “end the podcast or I end you” note on his door. Pretty quick turnaround!
It was established in Episode 2 that Ursula strongly dislikes Charles, and she was one of the few who knew Oliver and Charles were looking into Tim’s death at that point. I think she was one of the four immediate listeners and the one who left the nasty comment about Charles. She handled all the package deliveries and was messing them up, accidentally or intentionally, which led to her killing Tim, either because he caught onto some scam she was running or because they got into an argument about the missing, expensive packages.
I dunno. Would that be underwhelming?
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In this episode, the Dimas surveillance footage from the night of Tim’s murder was dated January 16, with the autopsy report dated January 17. The date on Teddy’s phone right before he and Theo were arrested showed it was February 5. I’m surprised. We’re still at least a month, month and a half out from episode one’s opening scene that was two months after Tim’s murder. That's a lot of ground to cover in two more episodes!
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What was the significance of the bee flying to Charles' window in the opening credits? It only flew to Charles' window. I think it's the only episode with the bee; it wasn't in the next episode's opening (I checked). Did it relate to Sting?
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3 hours ago, iMonrey said:
I don't see why Taylor Kinney or Jesse Spencer have anything to complain about, they get plenty of story. It's the others I'd think would want to abandon ship. Cruz's storyline was really just a dressed-up storyline for Severide. It was up to Severide to identify the problem, address the problem, and fix the problem. It wasn't really about Cruz at all, which is why we never really got any insight into what was going on with him or how he was dealing with it at home, or if it was affecting his relationship with his wife.
I’m pretty sure Cruz’s actor was Chicago-based prior to Fire and hasn’t done much outside of theater and Fire. I want to say Christian Stolte (Mouch) is in a similar position. I understand why those two stick around; they’re part of the main cast of a #1/#2 network show that’s part of a juggernaut flagship franchise, and it would be risky to walk away and hope for similar TV success again in Chicago, let alone LA. Even if they don’t have a lot to do, they probably still get paid the same per episode, and they're not having to scramble for work. I'd keep my wagon hitched up to Dick Wolf as long as I could, if I were them.
As one example, Yuri Sardarov/Otis has apparently done only one project since getting written off two years ago. I don’t know if he’s doing theater, but he’s not landing shows or movies. Not everyone lands like Monica Raymund/Gabby and YaYa DaCosta (April from Med), especially with the pandemic. Of all the actors on Fire, Jesse Spencer and Eamonn Walker are the only two who were firmly established before Fire, and they’re the only ones I would expect to find quick success after Fire. All the other ones would be taking a giant leap into unemployment, including Kinney.
With Cruz and Severide - yeah, good point. Cruz's entire post-premiere arc has been about Severide so far. It's absolute crap that the writers made Severide into some daring, selfless hero for rescuing one of his guys, especially when it was his bad incident management that nearly got them all killed. But Cruz had to feel bad for being alive. Even Cruz's wedding was kinda about Severide and Severide being best man....the best man who had to be lectured into helping/talking to Cruz in this episode, because he couldn't wrap his empty head around the idea of helping Cruz. It's just like when Kidd's lieutenant arc and "showcase" episode last season...was all about Severide. I wish he would leave. (Sorry to his fans here.)
It's also pretty crappy that Donna wasn't at all featured in Boden's decision to promote to DDC or celebration about him getting the promotion. That's freaking huge for their family.
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1 hour ago, iMonrey said:
Isn't that weird? The show goes through the motions of giving Cruz an actual storyline, but we never see his wife and he never has any interactions with her. It's a story on only the most superficial level. Actual stories are reserved for Casey, Severide, and their love interests.
This show has never met a problem they couldn't wrap up in three episodes, tops.
This is why I wish they would reduce the cast and get rid of characters who only get superficial ideas of storylines. They haven’t been able to handle an ensemble since Derek Haas took control, which is also when the characters siloed off with separate storylines. Kara Kilmer/Brett just gave an interview about being lucky that her character gets to interact with more than two characters. How sad is that. (Makes me wonder how happy the cast actually is to be on this never ending show that’s been nosediving since season 5.)
The only storylines they’ve given more than a brief nod to are Stellaride and Brettsey coupling up. Those both got two full seasons of angsty development. Yay. But that’s what the social media tweens want and cry about.
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10 minutes ago, AnnA said:
I never liked Heather and now I really, really dislike her.
I guess the writers/showrunners think we're too stupid to figure out how old Griffin should be.
I agree about Heather. I stopped liking her when she decided to move the boys across the country, all because some random friend got her a job in Florida. Annihilating your and your kids' entire support system is a perfect way to crash and burn. Matt was so incredibly willing to be there for her and the boys; he had a similar life experience (his dad dying, albeit via spousal murder); and the boys clearly attached to him in season 2, that it seemed very...foolhardy for her to leave. I remember thinking that the only good thing that came from her taking them away was that they weren't around when a roof collapsed on Matt's head a few episodes later.
I think the writers are too stupid to figure out how old Griffin should be. No spoilers here, but I don't see why Matt couldn't foster parent a 14-year-old Ben, while 20-year-old Griffin lived with them, reconnected with a safe father figure, and went to college or to the Fire Academy. I wouldn't question that one bit. I do question wonky age shenanigans that probably devalues the original storyline. As it is, Griffin doesn't seem like a 15-year-old; he seems like he's at least 18, especially since no one apparently questioned him flying to and navigating Chicago by himself. It's very confusing.
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39 minutes ago, bybrandy said:
Maybe. I take the omelette to be he's missing lucy and doing the thing he liked to do with her, not a bit of forgetfulness just a way to play tribute to her, but I could see I guess him stuck in an old routine. I'll give you the hallucinating the carton characters although that is more a middle or late stage symptom, television shows are often not great at things like staging of symptoms. As for the Brazos story he told the story of his father both to mabel and on Brazos because that is the way he tells the story. He's not a writer. That is the one thing they let him do and they let him do that because it is something that is so much a part of his narrative that he's got that story down pat. After all he has to be asked by others why he's alone a lot. That's my read on those situations. But I do understand why those things in combination lead you towards that suspicion.
I was thinking Lewy Body Dementia, wherein chronic visual hallucinations are typically an early, first symptom. Dementia is a wide umbrella of distinct neurodegenerative conditions with different symptom clusters and onset. :) Without getting too far into fanfic territory, I also thought it was weird that his opening scene in the first episode was some random guy telling him about his dad's ALS (which possibly sounded more like HD but whatever, writers). With him and the scene from his show - it was word for word. Even if it's really his own personal story, it's incredibly odd that he quoted exactly his old scripted lines verbatim to Mabel and then seemed perplexed when she was upset by it.
In any event, I'm more hung up on who took one of Tim's Hardy Boy's books between the team first going into the apartment and Mabel going back later. I think the emerald ring that Tim bought back from Cutter/Angel was in there. And I'm also wondering who had time and knowledge to care that Jan was involved in the podcast; I'm starting to think it was someone in the room/on the team... Don't be Oscar... :(
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Griffin was 11-years-old in the first half of season 2; Gabby said something about Matt being dumb for trying to win a fight against an 11-year-old, when Griffin was having trouble at school. So, I'm not sure how Griffin would have been 6 when Andy died in the first half of season 1, like he said tonight. It really seems like the writers are retconning his age in 2021 from 20-21 years old to 15-16 years old to make way for the foster care situation. I really dislike when writers bring back super old storylines, only to retcon the hell out of them.
But, I do kind of hope Matt fosters them, as advertised in the promo for next week. That was one of their better storylines, back in the old days. If that happens, I wonder if he’ll try to become batt chief to have more stability and less risk on the job. (Or, heh, Jesse Spencer actually didn’t renew his contract, Casey has to move out-of-state in order to foster them, and that’s how Kidd becomes a real lieutenant. Kidding! Maybe…?)
The house from the pilot looks like that fire happened a few months ago, not 9 years ago.
Gallo, do yourself a favor, and don’t go to Squad 3. Cruz is the only one in series history whose career has survived that move for more than 1.5 seasons, but he lost all his screen time and status as a real character to do it. And I can’t remember the last time Severide spent more than two minutes worrying about someone in his unit. Stick with Casey.
That being said, I can’t stand Cruz. And, with that being said, it really sucks for Joe Minoso that his character is going through a complete life upheaval months before his first kid arrives, but Cruz doesn’t even get a scene at home with his wife. And I think it's a huge missed opportunity to not have the Griffin storyline intersect with the Cruz storyline. But, great, Cruz did some runs through the smokebox and is all better now. Cool.
I don’t get how Jesse Spencer goes from a well-acted scene like the one with Griffin at the pilot house, to that wooden, stiff, awful scene with Severide and Kidd. Is it the bad, expository dialogue he’s forced to say? Does he secretly hate working with Taylor Kinney? Does he secretly hate his job?
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3 hours ago, bybrandy said:
Why? I mean why do you suspect not why are you throwing it out here. :). I haven't noticed any evidence of him losing words, losing things, getting lost in time and space.
Remaking the omelette and throwing it away multiple times. Hallucinating cartoon characters. Re-enacting scenes verbatim from his TV show without realizing. Oliver has made at least three jabs about Charles not being mentally “all there.” These are the big reasons. I’m not saying the show is going there but it trips my clinical alarms every time I watch all the episodes back to back.
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After the latest episode, I still think the key to the Tim mystery is the note on Oliver's door + Winnie being poisoned. Now we know for sure that Tim was poisoned before he died, and there is a strong likelihood that Evelyn the Cat died from being exposed to the poison. And now we have a note on Bassoonist Jan's door shortly before she is attacked. Unless the notes are completely unrelated to the bad events that occur after them (unlikely given recent events), whoever left the notes likely poisoned Tim. That begs the question: who, by the end of Episode 3, was aware enough of the new podcast to leave a note on Oliver's door and poison Winnie in an attempt to stop the podcast? Ursula, the mail lady who handles/distributes all the packages and sold the guys Gutmilk in exchange for the file on Tim. (Episode 3 also introduced Teddy and Jan. Both have been ruled out, right?)
Some other random stuff:
I rewatched the first episode (AGAIN). The "suicide" notes that Mabel found in the dumpster from (presumably) Tim's trash bag had different handwriting...one was written in all-caps and the other was written in mixed-caps. Seems strange. And they only concluded it belonged to Tim because some of his mail was in the same bag.
I also rewatched the second episode. The Hardy Boys book at the end of Tim's bookshelf changed between Mabel first finding the books (with Charles and Oliver there) and going back at the end of the episode. It went from "The Crisscross Shadow" to "The Wailing Siren Mystery." Did someone else go in the apartment and take the first book...and what was inside of it?
As an aside, every time I rewatch the series, I suspect Charles has early stage dementia. Just gonna throw that derail out there.
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1 hour ago, cardigirl said:
Why are there no speculations about how Oliver and Mabel get out of that van and away from Theo? Were we shown something at the end of the timeline and the next couple of episodes are going to focus on things that happen before they are captured?
That would be an interesting twist! I think that could get confusing, though. They've already done a "2 Months Earlier" thing; it could be a lot to then have Oliver/Mabel kidnapped in a van and then cut away to "Two Weeks Earlier" (or whatever).
I figured either (1) Oscar is still tailing Mabel and will be the one to help them escape (we haven't seen him in present-day for a little bit now), or (2) Theo is actually working with the police (a total long shot and would be silly for him to tie them up, if so). I don't see how Charles would be able to help, unless someone else gets involved who can trace their phones (Creepy Jan?), he calls the police and manages to get ahold of the detective, or Oscar gets ahold of him (see #1).
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1 hour ago, Sandman said:
I know Casey and Heather didn't sleep together (originally). And it might be coincidence, or that I'm imagining more of a resemblance between the actors than was meant. But I wouldn't put it past Wolf & Co.
I think they tried to find an adult actor who looked like the original child actors for Griffin and Ben (the child actors from season 2 are brothers in real life). I also see the resemblance between the adult actor and Jesse Spencer, but I also see the resemblance with the child actors, and especially the kid who played Ben, AND with the photo of Darden on the wall in this episode. I think it's a coincidence made likely by the kids and Spencer having pointy noses and the adult actor having the same hairline/bad haircut as Spencer/Casey.
If they tried to retcon Casey and Heather sleeping together, it would absolutely destroy Casey's character, IMO. For those kids to have looked that much alike, it would essentially mean that Casey fathered both of them and would essentially mean Casey was having a long-term, years-long affair with the wife of one of Casey's best friends, a firefighter brother, and one of his direct reports. They'd run him out of 51 with pitchforks.
I am expecting Brett to get pregnant, though. (Not a spoiler.)
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19 hours ago, NJRadioGuy said:
So no spoilers for who's the new BC25? If it's a new Chief, then it seems to me he/she would have been in the firehouse the day the promotion was announced to make the transition go smoothly. And if it's Casey, he'd have known already. Something's really fishy here.
I've been thinking about this. I also think something is fishy. The only new chief in town is the paramedic chief, despite Boden promoting up and leaving an open batt chief position? No way this show misses an opportunity to have yet another cranky/unethical chief give 51 trouble.
I can't figure out if they're going the Batt Chief Casey route (and his interview from this episode will pop up as a serious news story that springboards him dead center onto HQ's Batt Chief radar), or if they're going the Demote Herrmann-Engine Lt. Kidd route. I guess both could happen: Casey becomes batt chief, Kidd becomes 81's lieutenant, and Herrmann returns to 81 as a senior firefighter. That could actually be a nice way to mentor and support Kidd as a new lieutenant but would leave Ritter in limbo on Engine.
I'd also be okay if the show wrote out the batt chief position by reassigning 51 to a different battalion or having the new batt chief for 25 decide to office at another house, and then just not have the new chief micromanage like Boden did. Let Casey run the house like a CFD captain should be running the house. As it is, I imagine there is at least one other office for 25's batt chief, since Boden completely emptied out everything in his office, indicating he didn't share it with the other two batt chiefs for 25 (for first and third shifts). (Boden definitely worked 24 hour shifts. There must be two other BCs for the other two shifts.)
8 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:Certainly Brett did make a huge mistake in not calling in to Dispatch. Even if the ambo has an AVL, it might not be working and Dispatch needs to know where they are. Suppose, for the moment, that they are now over at the dying kid (yes, if he did have a tension pneumothorax, he was critical, even if the actor didn't show it), and Dispatch wants to redirect 61 to a high priority call, thinking they're still with the old guy. I can imagine the confusion in the Command Center.
Totally agree. But. In the grand scheme of all the dumb stunts these people have pulled, THIS is what gets Brett nearly fired and wrecks Herrmann's career? Of all the things? I don't think this was Herrmann's sword to fall on, but I also don't think there really needed to be a sword to fall on at all. Slap wrists, follow-up, and move on.
More than that, I questioned why no one on Engine appears to be a licensed paramedic or EMT capable of doing what Brett did. When Casey was a lieutenant, he did at least one field intubation, and he wore a PIC coat once in one of the earlier seasons. Mills, Borrelli, Kidd, and Gallo are/were all EMTs (I'm probably forgetting some people). But no one on Engine is trained? Or Engine didn't have medical equipment stocked on their rig? Overall, this situation seemed awfully manufactured, and I do wonder where it's going for Herrmann.
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13 hours ago, NJRadioGuy said:
Yep, and of course if you have an actor in a leading role you can't very well move them out on a whim—which is also the Eamonn Walker conundrum on this show too. I'm good with a cast shakeup to a certain degree, but isn't that usually reserved for the winter finale, and the summer cliffhanger?
Episode 200 is three episodes away. The showrunner has said he wants it to be like a finale episode. I think the first five episodes are pacing differently for that (or the showrunner is full of it, like usual).
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5 hours ago, NJRadioGuy said:
You beat me to it. I thought that "last talk" between Boden and Hermann would involve Hermann losing his bugles and starting the merry-go-round. I don't see Cruz quitting, though. If the actor were leaving the show why not kill him off on the boat and let him die a hero? But I definitely get the Gallo-on-Squad vibe for sure.
As for Griffin, I'm betting his mom is actively trying to sabotage his getting into the Fire Service and he's come to Matt for help. Or he's already a probie who's just been assigned to the house. For drama's sake it can't really be much more than that I don't think.
With Cruz, I agree it’s unlikely but I’d respect the show much more for letting the fallout of the finale/premiere ride a few episodes before resolving with a character deciding to ensure his son has a father. Borelli was written out 3-4 episodes into a season. I’d so much rather Cruz go out on his terms than die like Otis. Hero deaths are overrated. :)
With Griffin coming back, that may tie in with Cruz - what if Ben didn’t fare so well after his dad died and jailbird mom forced them to Florida and that’s why Griffin needs help? Because Ben is in trouble? What if Cruz sees what happened to these kids who lost their dad on the job?
Not to be missed….we still have not seen the two month time skip. Haas said 10x5 is a big episode (200th!) and I almost get the sense that the first five episodes are like a mini season.
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The writers could have at least given Boden/Eamonn Walker a “last shift at 51 [as batt chief]” episode. We've rarely ever seen a DDC hanging around 51 before (does Gorsch even count?), and I think it'd be contrived for Boden to find reasons to be there. But we got a follow-up to Mouch's soft porn novel storyline
that no one remembers from season 5crossed over with OFI Severide, so that's....good... 😑Total, wild speculation: Herrmann is going to get demoted, and Kidd is going to become lieutenant of Engine. Cruz is going to quit the CFD or take a transfer to a safe job at HQ, and Gallo is going to go to Squad (after the balcony save, he had that Mills-like look in his eyes and has already started to suck up to Severide). Herrmann is going to return to Truck (taking Gallo's spot) or retire entirely (leaving Gallo's spot open for...Griffin?). This would all keep Casey from having to promote to batt chief, step back from active firefighting, and jeopardize what's probably his last chance at a long-term relationship (in terms of Casey promoting to batt chief opening a lieutenant spot for Kidd). That would be a lot of changes...and foreshadowing on this show is rarely ever intentional, so who knows.
61 has always responded to “non-emergency” frequent flyer calls. The writers have done nothing to establish or explain why it’s suddenly now a problem. I wonder if Brett is going to possibly end up paramedic chief via this program (like how Kidd ended up on the lieutenant route because of her high school program); the new guy looked super young, and Brett's been PIC since, what, season 4? (For what it's worth, I would actually like to see some Narcan calls and don't like that they were lumped into the non-emergency call discussion. They're super common emergency calls for EMTs and firefighters, last I knew.)
Very cool to see Griffin again. Don’t screw this up, writers! I'd love if he ended up going the firefighting route and became a candidate at 51.
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1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:
Mabel didn't tell Oscar they were specifically going to her cousin's tattoo shop or why until they got there.
46 minutes ago, AnimeMania said:Oscar was the one that figured out that Tim Kono's note was referring to the Tattoo Shop and not the Jewelry Store, so if Oscar was trying to keep Mabel from going to the Tattoo Shop, he was doing a horrible job of it.
Right. Here's the transcript:
Oscar: “So, where we goin’?”
Mabel: “It’s in Teaneck. So…” [puts Tim’s note on the dash] “GW Bridge.”
[other conversations about prison, Tim killing himself, Oscar getting older, etc; Oliver and Charles following them and calling Mabel]
Oscar: “So, G.M. Shore Road. You sure Tim was going to a jewelry shop?”
Mabel: “It’s this whole Hardy Boys thing I cracked.”
Oscar: “OH… You ‘cracked’ it. Cool. Or… could it have something to do with something else?”
[Oscar shows Mabel his whale tattoo]
Mabel: “Okay, so we all got the same tattoo…”
Oscar: “And…? Who gave them to us?”
Mabel: “My cousin Tavo…”
OScar: “And what’s your cousin Tavo’s government name?”
Mabel: “Gustavo Mora.”
Oscar: “G.M.? With a tattoo shop on Shore Road?”
Mabel: “Fuck me! How did I miss that?!"At some point, either Mabel off-screen told Oscar that the note was from Tim’s apartment and her theory about the jewelry shop, or Oscar already knew it was from Tim’s apartment without needing to be told (!). And then Oscar eagerly and playfully corrected her "cracking" the code, specifically diverted them to Tavo’s tattoo shop, drove her there, and then tried to get her to back out of her investigating when they got there. It didn’t make any sense. I definitely think something is up with Oscar. :)
I think ten years would be a long time for an adolescent/young adult to keep a murder secret like what we saw in this episode (1x7) to themselves, especially when one of your close friends is in prison because of the lie. I wonder if Tim told someone...and the safest person to tell would have been the guy in prison who also cared a lot about Mabel and would also want to help take down Teddy.
This show is pretty fun, haha! :)
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5 hours ago, cardigirl said:
He definitely didn't want to talk about Zoe's death or the past. It might mean something.
Along these lines, I thought it was weird that he eagerly offered to drive Mabel to her cousin's tattoo shop, but the minute they got there, he did a complete 180 and begged her to stop trying to solve Tim's death, then tried to guilt her to not go inside. Then he did the same thing at her mother's house with the photo album. Someone else in this thread (...I think this thread) theorized that Tim and Oscar may have been working together to investigate Teddy/Theo/Angel...I can see that.
In the real world, I would not find it weird that Oscar wouldn't want to worry about the past; he did the time, he wants to move on, he's done with it. In TV land, with something like only 300 minutes to tell this story, I think it might mean something, too.
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53 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said:
Zoe returned the ring though, so I don't know why that is a big clue. Clearly, we're all in agreement that there's more out there and what seems obvious is likely not. I was just thinking that what we all think is the plot - solving Tim's murder is the red herring itself, and the real plot is unraveling the Deli King's criminal racket.
I keep thinking Abe Froman - Sausage King of Chicago every time everyone says 'Deli King'.
The only people who know the ring was returned are/were Zoey, Theo, and Teddy, unless Tim was standing there for a damn long time that night. Tim was trying to find the ring and take down Angel. Tim is dead. Without the ring, the podcast team would never have connected Angel/Teddy to Zoey. That connection spooked Theo in this episode and it unraveled the entire case. Seems like a big clue.
I really hope the premise of the show up until this point is not a red herring. I don’t care about stolen jewelry and still think Teddy is pretty boring. If anything, Zoey and the whole jewelry thing is the red herring in solving the murder of Tim.
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3 hours ago, grandmabegum said:
If you mean a podcast of OMITB (not the podcast Charles, Oliver and Mabel are making in the show] it exists.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/only-murders-in-the-building-podcast/id1583090080
No, I meant the actual Only Murders podcast - the one they’re making in the show. :) I went looking for one and found the one you linked; I was bummed it’s just talk about the show.
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3 minutes ago, DoctorAtomic said:
I could almost buy that in the end it was actually a suicide. With Oscar finally getting out, Time just couldn't deal with the reality of it. Theo killing him doesn't make sense because Tim had been quiet for ten years already, so why think he'd actually say something, and if he did, there's already been a conviction in the case anyway.
I suppose if Tim somehow was trying to nail Theo for stealing dead people's jewelry to get back at him? It seems too obvious here.
I’ve been thinking it’s a possible suicide, too, but I don’t really think it is. Why then? After ten years? There is also Evelyn, who apparently died after walking through Tim’s blood or coming into contact with something in his apartment (or a total coincidence). (I still don’t get why Tim was carrying around the trash bag in episode 1. Was it really full of practice suicide notes?)
Mabel’s cousin Tavo flat out said that Tim was trying to take down Angel, a black market jewelry dealer, and was trying to get ahold of the emerald ring (that Zoey stole from Teddy). Angel has been established as Teddy and/or Theo. So, yeah, Tim was actively working against Teddy and Theo through their jewelry hustle. I agree that it’s too obvious that they killed him. But now Theo is apparently kidnapping people so who knows.
I think Tim wanted the bassoonist to stop playing with her window open and she killed him. And poisoned Evelyn the cat who liked to explore open windows. And then cozied up to Charles after the podcast went live (right?)…by meeting in elevators that are apparently on the opposite side of where she lives. I don’t know if I’m kidding with this. I just really don’t like her.
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21 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:
Though I'm still not clear on how teddy gets blamed for the death. Or at least I guess convicted if their was a trial. Maybe he took a plea deal? Any evidence would seem circumstantial and guilt by association.
How Oscar got blamed for the death?
Oscar and Zoey were heard and/or seen arguing shortly before Zoey died, and he was the last reported person to be seen with her before she died. Zoey also implied to Theo that she and Oscar had more than one argument like the one that night, so there's a history of volatility between them. Of Oscar's tight friend group, Zoey was dead, Tim wasn't talking to anyone, and Mabel appeared very drunk that night; he had no one to speak up for him and likely only one "character" witness (Mabel). Beyond all that, Zoey was a wealthy white girl whose family owned the entire 11th floor, while Oscar is a Mexican boy who came from "the help," as Zoey herself put it. Wrap all of that into one situation, and Oscar being charged with and convicted of murder beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't seem unrealistic to me, given that most evidence in real trials is circumstantial rather than direct. (Direct evidence is really hard to get.) I could also see a plea deal.
It seems more unrealistic that Oscar's dad kept his job as the building super. And that so many people seem to have forgotten about Zoey's death and the super's kid going to prison for it. I know it's a big building, but that's pretty yikes.
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I enjoyed this episode, with the same reservations expressed by others here. I’ve rewatched this series more times than I’ll admit to, and I had just finally noticed that Theo seemed to be understanding what Teddy and Oliver were talking about when Oliver was begging for funding. The lipreading, while a bit fantastical, was at least possibly foreshadowed! Plus, I really like that the show recognized how invisibly Theo is treated and perceived, ostensibly because he’s deaf, despite being one of the more astute, observant, and clever characters (no excuses for him being a dirtbag).
I’m a little underwhelmed, though. I think this episode “sold” Teddy being a bad guy, but I was expecting the Angel thing to be a Sting-like red herring, rather than a hard pivot in the season. I didn't care enough about Teddy and Theo to want either of them to be involved, but, again, I think the episode did a nice job of making me care. I suppose I also expected Zoey’s death to be more than her being a teenage wreck who essentially pushed herself off the roof. All that being said, it plays as realistic, and I appreciate that more than some ridiculous twist for the sake of a twist.
So, who killed Tim Kono? Did Tim get too close to Teddy and Theo, or is there another player? I do think that whoever poisoned Winnie (Oliver’s dog) killed Tim (because of Evelyn the Cat dying after wandering the crime scene), but I’m not so sure it was Theo/Teddy, although that would make sense...but it would also turn the show from a whodunnit mystery into more of a manhunt for the rest of the season. Maybe it was the creepy bassoonist? There has to be more to her (and I really, really, really dislike her; her expectation that Charles should reveal an emotionally painful story in response to hers out of some transactional debt was Effed. Up.).
I love the set designs…and Charles’ apartment, decor, and bedding. #lifegoals
I wish they had released a real podcast for the show. I’d listen to it!
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1 hour ago, grandmabegum said:
I hope it's not this. It always bothers me if a character is alone and discovers something that they staged themselves. If that's the case it serves no purpose but to mislead the audience as no other character is there for the misdirect.
I agree. The only way I’d be okay with it is if we’re sometimes seeing the characters’ versions of the truth (so we saw Oliver's version of the truth that he recounted to the team), rather than what’s actually/factually happening. But that would throw almost everything into question and would probably not be good.
The other explanation could be that the poisoned dog and the note aren’t related. Let’s say Oliver is the one who killed Tim, poisoned the cat, or was in some way involved with Tim enough to have the poison in his apartment. If Oliver’s dog got into the poison by accident (if it was in a baggie that he found and chewed open over his bone… My dogs chew on stuff on top of their bones all the time), the note could have been put there by someone else. Maybe a resident saw the podcast and simply doesn’t want the building/suicide/murder publicized that way. It’s interesting that Charles wasn’t threatened as the higher-profile host. Why write the note to Oliver? Maybe Theo didn’t want his dad pumping money into a podcast that seemed doomed to fail...?
Another question I just thought of: I think it was the same episode where Charles and Mabel talked to the cat guy, and Charles’ nose randomly started to bleed. What was that about? Was that ever explained? (Didn't the cat guy open up the cat's food or something immediately before the nose bleed, and then the cat guy passed out but blamed it on seeing blood?)
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S10.E03: Counting Your Breaths
in Chicago Fire
The commercial for next episode made it sound like both boys are going into foster care. And Griffin said he was 6 when Andy died, which was September 2012…that makes him 15 or 16. Originally, he was 11 in 2013 and should be at least 19. It is a mess.