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There was a picture on Reddit of EriK & his ex-wife with him cuddling a cat on his chest. His cat allergy is probably just another show dupe.

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19 minutes ago, After7Only said:

 I think Ashley/Anthony and Shawnice/Jephthe also had a certain amount of that dynamic in their relationship as well.  

Submissiveness? Interesting. I never thought of either of those women that way.

18 minutes ago, Boo Boo said:

I would not call Danielle submissive at all.  She didn't want to stay home and I don't think she wanted kids.  It wasn't til she had them she decided she wanted to be home, so that was her choice.

I think they were a very low drama couple so the Show created that narrative for them.

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It'd be a bombshell for sure if J&H had (goodbye) sex. It was just Haley playing it up to the camera as she's been doing for weeks & I doubt she stayed there that evening either. Jake has been dragged along in the act but obviously not happy about it. She also doesn't want to be dumped, so, I suspect she was being extra nice to Jakey to lead him on a bit so he'll think there's hope. I have a bad feeling he may fall for it & say "yes" on decision day, allowing Haley to sink her last dagger in for the final kill when she says "no way". She's not come off well or as relationship material at all. But I hope Jake realizes he can do fine post-show with someone much better.

How many think Haley will arrive to the reunion with news of some new guy, because I could see that happening. (She'll dump him too, though, right after 😂).

Erik came off as unstable at their pre-decision day dinner. He's another one who comes off desperate. I'm a little worried for VA giving up her apt to live with him. I think they should 'date' for a while instead, so she's sure she's not getting in deep with someone with a dark side.

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I missed the last half hour but doubt it matters. 

Clara for the win tonight. She is who she is & don’t give no fucks about saying it. Good for her. I think they’re intercoursing on the regular & the jokes on us. 

I wanna know how she ever held back about Ryan wearing dress shoes to the bowling thing though./s  Maybe he & Jake can go putt putt in their less than athletic shoes together someday. 😂

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1 hour ago, Silver Bells said:

Ha .. I never noticed his nose as I don’t pay much attention to him.  He’s either lecturing her or arguing about something.  I never heard a man talk so much.  They usually hate confrontation.

Not in my experience.😞

These two will stay together, but I'm doubtful they'll make it very long.

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At least Jake explained himself & apologized for his actions, & didn't repeat them, which is more than I see from most people in this world. So I will always give him that.

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56 minutes ago, Ilovepie said:

No, she left him. They stayed together at D-Day and at the reunion where Bobby and Danielle announced they were pregnant, Amber and Dave announced they had split. Without talking to him first, she packed up all her stuff and left while he was at work and he came home and found her gone. He seemed completely surprised by this, but was totally done after that stunt.

Ahhh, thank you. I don't blame her at all & doubt he missed her, except for the sex LOL.

I don't ever trust decision day, & sometimes even the reunion, because it's too soon after.

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52 minutes ago, Ilovepie said:

I also wouldn't put anyone named Ryan in the unscathed category - all of them have been pretty loathsome across the board. Nick was absolutely horrible to Sonia on camera  - "I don't like her!" being screamed was one of the worst things ever on this show.

All the Ryan's have been total assholes. I think the current one still has a chance to break the bad streak. He's definitely not in the same asshole league of the others.

Didn't Nick scream "I'm not attracted to her!" ?  I can't recall, but I do recall being appalled at his behavior, especially since he was okay with having sex with her more than once.

55 minutes ago, Ilovepie said:

And plenty of people hated Dave (not me) even though they stayed together and ultimately she left him.

Was this Amber (dated Dallas Douches) & Dave?  If so, he dumped her. Guess he finally got tired of the twice daily sex; yet another douche to add to her list. 

So sick of these people this time, which I think is (mostly) on the show for what they're intentionally becoming. The rest of this season is toast... gross, burnt toast.

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11 hours ago, Ilovepie said:

But the problem with this is that none of them are her type - she asked for someone who looked “ethnically ambiguous”. Neither Jake nor EriK are that in any way.

Unfortunately yeah, even though she'd probably be more compatible with them, they're not her type. I hope there's better going on behind the scenes with these two. Going on just what I know from the show Clara "falling in love" so often strikes me as someone who just becomes infatuated easily.

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11 hours ago, Adeejay said:

Haley should tell the truth about why she doesn’t like Jake. He is a two pump chump, whose sweat because of his diet, smells like rancid meat.

If that were the case, Helley would probably have been happy to announce it, including on Unfiltered. She doesn't strike me as the type to hold back. She was drunk during the sex anyway, so maybe not the best judge, or best at all, herself. Maybe she's embarrassed about a big queef or fart during sex with a guy she ends up not liking & can't immediately get away from, so she's lashing out... 🤷‍♀️

Jake mentioned earlier in the season he was adding back in different foods (which has to be little at a time), so hopefully those include veggies. Since he trains it's not surprising he's heavy protein, which could be a paleo diet now for all we know. It seemed like he was eating crab but of course cameras don't linger on him eating anything but steak & eggs. 🤨

The crab thing made me sad & want to become vegetarian. Helley was a bit too excited to get in there & give that one crab a too drawn-out, painful death, sorta like what she's doing to Jake right now. The guy already said he feels dead (sign of being subject to a toxic person) but she took that whole retreat to keep plunging in extra daggers. 👿 I don't blame him for getting the fuck outta there early.

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1 hour ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Jake left early because why not? Everybody was departing that morning; he drove by himself; and he sure as heck wasn't going to have a tender "Good-bye" moment with Helley.

I saw what you did there... 😂

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Cat allergies are tricky. Exposure could help Erik, or make things much worse for him, & it could take months to find out for sure. Him being away a lot could also make it more difficult to adjust. VA doesn't understand that them sleeping on just her doesn't help, because cat allergens are also airborne & stick to things/clothing/people. She can't guarantee they won't wander over to him, because as she said, cats do what they want, & she'll be asleep. She also doesn't seem like the cleanest of people, so that will make it worse.

That said VA & Erik don't seem at all compatible, so she should dump him & keep sleeping with her cats (when she's not on some other guy's couch). 😹

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6 minutes ago, Silver Bells said:

Jake just left in the dark.  Guess they had separate rooms.  Why did they even bother to go.  Production made them?

And now the woe-is-me because Jake left. She doesn't care but is just pining to play the victim here.  Nasty fake fuck she is.

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5 minutes ago, LennieBriscoe said:

Virginia is being 100% completely  unreasonable about her cats re: Erik's allergy! And sleeping in their bed?! "Oh, just take medicine!"

Just say "No," Erik. 

 

This is a hard situation, because you're right she shouldn't just assume he take meds, especially with his job. But her pets are very important to her, & they have a ton of issues as a couple that don't seem conducive to a long term relationship.

Ultimately the 'experts' are again at fault. But I'd be "asinine" to even consider that they match for drama... right, PCal??

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Just now, Straycat80 said:

I was just thinking the same thing. Terrible job by the ‘experts’ matching these couples. And Virginia is choosing the cats over Erik. 

I know it sounds terrible, but, she barely knows Erik & he keeps telling her he's "done" & she "can leave". I don't agree with her on some things but I would choose the cats too.

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Great, 'experts' matched a cat owner with a person who's allergic to cats. 🙄😒

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Just now, Silver Bells said:

Mistake, sorry.  Pictures keep popping up on whole screen with initials on.

I have to refresh my page to get rid of them.

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Ryan's letter brought Clara to tears because she's so desperate for some validation from him.

If they stay together there will come a day he'll say "fer sure" yet again & she's gonna hurl around & smack the shit outta him.

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I'd love to be riding that horse. I'm glad he went for it, but agree she shouldn't set things up w/o discussing it with him first.

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Just now, Crashcourse said:

But you were saying Haley should have opted out but she wanted camera time, and I'm saying he wanted the same thing.  

I agree they shouldn't be on the retreat though.  Game over.

It was in response to a way you said you'd be with him, sorta justifying her behavior. So I'm just saying if she can't stand him then she doesn't need to be there. Make sense?

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Just now, Crashcourse said:

Jake should have opted out, too.  He's done with her but he doesn't mind being on Unfiltered like she is, so I'd say he wants the camera time just as much as she does.    

 

I think they both belong on Unfiltered to each have their say, however, they are very done & shouldn't be at the retreat.

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2 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I would be that "bitch on fire" if I had to be with Jake for 10 minutes.  So yeah, I'd welcome being called that.  😄

Then she should've opted out, but that would be less camera time for Haley & she can't have that.

Is Erik drunk already too?

I think all the alcohol is dehydrating & drying out VA's skin.

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It's tough for me to listen to VA with her constant up-speak.

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3 minutes ago, Retired at last said:

It's not on here yet. Are Paige and Chris there?

Thankfully, no.