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14 hours ago, missmansfield said:

I was disgusted by the way Judy talked about Yuko.  She NEVER has anything nice to say about anyone , especially at auditions. God, she is such a hateful bitch. Can you imagine what she would she would have said about Cassie or how she would have treated her if she was not her daughter??!!! She needs to be put out to pasture.

We must be watching different shows. I cannot remember ever thinking of Judy as being overly harsh or bitchy in her criticisms of the dancers either in discussion with other people, the TH segments or directly to girls themselves. Her criticisms have always seemed pretty measured and supportable to me. I've actually wished she would speak up more when debating with Kelli and/or Charlotte (or the rest of the judging panel) on the dancers' capabilities as I consider her to be the most qualified person in the room. I will miss Judy and her fabulous hair when they put her out to pasture.

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A couple unpopular opinions on past DCCs:

Most unattractive - Trisha Trevino. I could not handle her googly fish eyes. I'm sure she's a lovely person but man I thought she was homely.

Most annoying hair - Danielle. I HATED how she always kept tossing it over to one side..it was so distracting. I loved it when Kitty called her out on it and told her to stop it but it obviously made no difference. (I noticed TCC Savannah does the same thing; what is it with these former Jets Flight Crew ladies?!)

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On 9/15/2017 at 1:24 PM, mmm said:

Yeah , it's a version of a Développé , I never seen with it a Plie (Squad) before. But it seemed legit to me !! All moves that help with flexibility are extremely painfull ( I know that from experience , I was never super flexible)   

That scene reminded me of the year Mia auditioned and went to Kitty's for the critique before finals. Mia's kicks were terrible and I remember Kitty lifting one of Mia's legs straight up in front of her and putting it up on her (Kitty's) shoulder to show Mia how she should practice stretching to improve her kicks. 

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18 minutes ago, hypeman said:

Kashara may not be the best dancer, but she's no slouch.  However, she does bring many other fine qualities.

Thank you for nicely distilling my lengthy trip off into the weeds!

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39 minutes ago, hypeman said:

I don't think being a great technical dancer figures into point at all.  Being GREAT at DCC style does.

Kashara's history on the team, no show group, no leadership role, confirms she was viewed by the powers at be as middle of the pack.  Her dancing didn't improve, so what changed.

I think the point others are making is that Kashara is far from the best at DCC style, and for every other point girl the argument could be made that she was the best at DCC style on the team

I realize that Kashara's brand of country cutesy appeals to some, but it's a dance team, not a sorority.  

I know, I know K and J makes the decisions.  I will survive.

The definition of being 'great at DCC style' is purely subjective as are judgements that Kashara is 'far from the best' at however each person would define DCC style. No one knows how Kashara was viewed by the powers and in my humble opinion her dancing has greatly improved over the past years, so we will just have to agree to disagree (as we often do around here which keeps the conversation interesting).

The team is not a sorority, true. But a certain level of comeraderie anchored by a leader who is respected by most appears to be important to the functioning of the group as a whole (recall Kelly's discussion with Jenna about the importance of being a role model for other team members, etc.) I can imagine that the Holly/Jenna/Erica drama(s), including the departure of two senior vets and the perceived 'demotion' of the remaining one (and defacto team leader) left a void in team leadership that K&J never expected they'd need to address. Kashara was rookie of the year, right? And this is voted on by her team mates, yes? So she must have established some level of positive support among the team.  She may have been the best person to bring forward in the moment to send the kind of message/signal to the rest of the team when the former established 'leaders' self-destructed.

Sorry to be long-winded. Should've left it at 'agree to disagree' right?!

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2 hours ago, aeroluv327 said:

I bet Marshall would LOVE to get his hands on Kitty's hair!

Marshall, aka Fabio's younger brother?!

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4 hours ago, HowdeeDo said:

Kashara's a good dancer, but in comparison to the other outstanding points she falls flat. Honestly I'm just calling it down to favoritism. She's got the bubbly/cute image and I guess that's what they wanted this year. Still think Lacey would slay. 

 

1 hour ago, ElenaFR said:

Agreed. 

I enjoy Kashara but there are more dynamic dancers on the team. She is this year's favorite. 

Kashara may not be the best technical dancer on the team, but she exudes a playful/sexy sassiness that I'm sure many find very entertaining, which is the bottom line after all.  And I do agree that she is obviously one of Kelli's favorites. Kelli makes no bones about enjoying the 'Kasexy,' and it did appear she may have scored a lot of points by making poor Yuko feel more included. Kashara may better fit Kelli's definition of dynamic right now. Lacey is a beautiful technical dancer and I love to watch her.. but perhaps Kelli doesn't see her as dynamic in the sense of generating as much attention-grabbing broad appeal to the uneducated (dance-wise) audience.

Have to add that personally I enjoy the more interesting if less technically perfect dancers in the context of the venue that the DCC perform in - i.e. entertaining a still largely beer-swilling male crowd (see comment above re: unsophisticated audience). I wouldn't say Mia Greenhouse was a technical standout, but she was a great point (IMO) because she had that extra sassy something that kept your attention on her. (Sometimes they get lucky and find someone with both, like Jenn K.) If she hangs around I could see Kalyssa at point someday as she also has that extra something special that others don't in spite of her being the first to admit during auditions that she doesn't have the technical skills others have.

I would be more critical of, and have higher expectations for, technical excellence if I was at a ballet or serious dance competition for example. However when watching a group of beautiful girls decked out in micro hot pants and cleavage-baring tops at a football game, technical chops may not always carry the day as to deciding who gets to be front and center. 

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I can't believe we're spending so much time on Gina..! Having said that, here is my last comment on the subject of her purported conceited/arrogant/haughty, etc. attitude. If she was a man competing with other guys for a spot on a male team, I doubt the same comments (e.g. 'I have training others don't') would be seen as evidence of the guy having an bad attitude. In other words, I see a bit of a double standard here. Some of us here are still offended by women who don't act like a 'lady;'  i.e. she should be more self-deprecating and not so 'full of herself,'  etc. Please note - I'm not saying I like or dislike Gina's attitude here - it's actually irrelevant- rather that I doubt we'd even be debating the subject if it was a man who behaved the same way.

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1 hour ago, sleepyjean said:

But consider these boards and all the time spent debating who is attractive and who isn't. I think k&j welcome the additional perspective to broaden their minds a little. And the majority of people watching these women perform are dudes whose opinions are basically "she's hot." Just like Neil.

Yeah, they definitely don't bring ole' Neil back for his his thoughtful/insightful observations on dance technique. Personally I don't mind too much when he blurts out one of his ridiculous dirty old-man comments, only because it's an entertaining break from all the seriously serious estrogen in the room. Guys will always be guys. ?

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58 minutes ago, Cheerio34 said:

Is Gina's attitude real life? I wonder if Judy and Kelli are dying right now!  The reason  DCC is the best is because of their respect for Kelli and Judy and their coaching. The second a girl disrespects them and shows attitude or entitlement they should be removed. 

"I thought I was doing the dance like I always do... With power and attention to detail.... but apparently I wasn't." 

Yeah... not America's sweetheart, or a role model to me. 

I didn't feel like she was being disrespectful. She came across to me as simply perplexed because their comments came as a surprise. I'm sure she's not the first or last dancer who's felt that way, but unlike most she just voiced her surprise aloud. She has confidence in her abilities, no question; but to me her comments struck me as more mature and professional  as opposed to arrogant or boastful. If she'd talked about J&K's comments in an irritated, whiny, challenging or defiant way, then that type of attitude would've likely verged into disrespectful for me.

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40 minutes ago, MrsEVH said:

I've been watching since 2006 and don't recall anyone making SG but not the team. 

Any posters who've been watching as long as me: 

In season 1 (2006) Victoria who had a weight issue auditioned for SG and Kelli really liked her as a dancer. I know she got cut from TC but did she make SG? 

What about Hannah in Season 9? She had made show group the year before as a rookie; was she cut for her weight before SG tryouts or didn't make SG at all that year..?  (Or were you asking about TCCs and not vets and I missed that part.. if so, sorry!)

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9 hours ago, CaseyRe said:

Its definitely not the most flattering pic of Kalyssa, raunchy or otherwise(and when I first saw it I thought I'd be really upset if I were her and that was the picture of me chosen to be put up but thats just me), but I don;t really see in the footage of her dancing what others seem to - I don't see her as being any more raunchy in the dance than the others, seeing as how its a dance that is about 65% pelvic thrusts and gyrating so raunch is kind of always going to be hinted at. if anything, I think she looks more at home with the style and better in it than Madeline and a couple other dancers around her, some of whom really look like girls playing at a 'risque' dance.. its kinda strange to think of any dancing that is done in a yard of fabric and a push-up bra as ''family friendly' anything. 

Seriously! The DCC uniform (or as Kelli refers to it, their 'Superman cape') itself could be considered pretty raunchy given how barely-there it is. I think Kalyssa looked great in that hip hop number; much more natural and fun to watch (for me) than any of the dancers around her.

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Agree that the show has gone downhill, this season especially. I feel like now I'm trying to hang on simply out of loyalty since I loved the earlier seasons so much. The show has been so boring that they should've introduced whatever drama awaits (Holly/Jenna/Erica) much sooner. Waiting for those stories is really the only reason I'm still watching now since I couldn't care less about the blandest rookie class I can remember. 

 

The guest choreographers (other than Screaming Kitty) make it a smidge more interesting for me (although it seems like CMT must have some kind of deal promoting alumni dancers from SYTYCD). More Michelle Keys, please!

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3 hours ago, FaninMAss said:

I appreciate the "joke" aspect of why keep the stool but... Kelly is the boss. Their positioning sends a clear message. Judy gets a different view of the teams when they are rehearsing. It may only be a few inches but it makes a difference -> kinda like when you go from driving a sedan to an SUV.

Their position definitely sends a message to me -- Judy is but one of the many small celestial bodies that orbit the sun that is Kelli! ?

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Totally random question -- why does Judy persist in perching on a stool vs. sitting in a chair beside Kelli? At the old studio I figured it had something to do with Kelli's office being kind of small, but now she still does it even though they sit in that new large conference room. I have a lot of respect for Judy but sitting as she does she kind of reminds me of a bird perched on Kelli's shoulder..

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2 minutes ago, Pinknblue said:

I think Amy's post is extremely gracious and humble. I can't see passive aggression there at all; it speaks of the positives and also has her taking responsibility for herself. Maybe she had memory mistakes at crucial times. It could have been the dreaded kicks that just weren't quite there yet despite improvement, as she'd be on the end of the line.

I'm so glad she got to take so many good things from her experience in TC, I'd love to see her as a DCC one day and hope she comes back.

I agree completely. I wouldn't have expected her to enumerate all the negatives/criticisms she received. She's trying to walk away with her head held high and I applaud her for that.