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10 hours ago, Ceindreadh said:
Unless the stream is on of the ones that feeds the lake and they end up back where they started.
Then that lake has to have an outlet somwhere. It's not exactly massive. Circle it once.
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4 hours ago, Llywela said:
No, it really isn't good enough. Even when done well, with massive amounts of budget thrown at it, the results still come off stiff and lacking in emotion.
Marvel did it 99,9% convincing 6 years ago. The technology is good enough. Also it wouldn't have been necessary anyway. They just took the lazy way out.
4 hours ago, Llywela said:And this show does not have anything like that kind of budget. Casting a younger actor to play a younger version of a character is not disrespectful at all, it is standard industry practice and always has been.
Where has that been industry practice? We aren't talking flashbacks, where the older actor is still very much in the show or a reboot here.
It is especially disrespectfull since Whoopie Goldberg is right there. Since they gave some wonky explaination for her aging anyway, there was no reason to not have her reprise her role in 2024. Except that it seems they wanted someone "young and hip", which is not Guinan and never was, even when she was turned into a child.
4 hours ago, cambridgeguy said:And back in the day DS9 was roasted for not being real Trek. Real Trek is supposed to be about exploring strange new worlds, not fighting a war. And what's with the sinister side of Starfleet? Section 31? Sisko dragging the Romulans into the war? The Federation is supposed to be what we aspire too, not something that should be dragged down to match what we are now. God, those writers didn't know a thing about what Trek is supposed to be. Plus this serialized format is stupid - are we really supposed to watch every episode to keep up? Sound familiar?
I can't speak to stupid people from 30 years ago, sorry.
But that's also not my argument. Not sure if you are deliberately misrepresenting it or didn't understand it. New Trek being different is fine (although I question why you'd want to be generic scifi #893 instead of being unique). What isn't fine is that the writing is/was mostly hot garbage. What also isn't fine is ignoring canon. You have to give reasons why you are different. Otherwise don't call your show "Star Trek".
TNG was quite different from TOS, DS9 was quite different from TNG. That's all fine. It just has to be good.
4 hours ago, cambridgeguy said:If they can work out the scheduling Ito should be a guest on the View. She and Whoopi can discuss whether or not casting her was this grand, disrespectful act or not.
Sure, actors are always honest about their feelings in public talk shows.
Even if Whoopie Goldberg doesn't think it's disrespectfull, I think it is.
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1 hour ago, AnimeMania said:Quote
It does seem like they can go just about anywhere — and fast. Steed got out to that little island pretty quickly.
Jenkins: That’s “Game of Thrones logic” — it’s “Game of Thrones” geography. You have to break that out occasionally.
Hehe. What was infuriating in GoT is really funny here. Who would have thought. Love the little stab.
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38 minutes ago, Stardancer Supreme said:
I think what is happening in these forums and on social media is that folks want the perfect Trek that resides in their heads instead of enjoying the Modern Trek that we are given. I liked the actress cast as Young Guinan and can handwave the differences as the time/space travel shenanigans that all captains hate so much.
Nah, I just want good writing and competent show runners.
DS9 wasn't a perfect utopia. It showed the boundaries of federation ethics in the face of war. It's the best Trek show there is, imo.
Modern Trek has just been horrible television for the past few years, that would have been cancelled after half a season if it didn't have the Star Trek name attached. Discovery got a bit better this last season and it seems Picard is doing so as well, but it's still not great TV. Kinda mediocre, entertaining schlock. That is a huge step up from before, but it's still not where good Trek, or TV in general, should be.
I think regarding recast Guinan I've said my piece.
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44 minutes ago, salaydouk said:
But generally speaking I am also enjoying this season as well...
I have to say, this season is a lot better than the last one so far (although if I were mean I'd say that that is not saying much) and I am enjoying it for the most part. Still, there is just so much wrong with current Trek (except Lower Decks) and I need a place to blow off steam and that place is here. Sorry... not sorry. 😜
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This was a very cute. But I couldn't help but notice that even on this very gay show, the hetero couple got a hot and steamy kiss with following (implied) sex, while the gay couple got a closed mouth kiss. I hope this gets a second season and that Blacky's broken heart can be mended, so we can see a bit more of those two.
I really love how in this show with a row boat you can get pretty much anywhere in the world, it seems. It was already ridiculous in previous episodes but now Stede just sets out from Barbados (I assume) and just so happens to stumble upon his crew? It's probably partially intended as a joke, partially just for convenience, but I'm really quite amused any time it happens. Somehow it tickles my funny bone.
I also just read a bit more into the real Stede Bonnet and I'm surprised about how much of this is true. I just assumed that all the stuff with blackbeard was fabricated for the show, but no, they did meet and Bonnet temporarily ceded his ship's command to Blackbeard. Then after some back and forth, Bonnet stayed on Blackbeards ship for a while.
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1 hour ago, Llywela said:
Guinan was recast for the 2024 sequence because digital de-aging isn't good enough yet for such an extensive role.
It is good enough. It's just very expensive. Guess that shows where their priorities are.
Also, as already stated, they could have just used current day Whoopy Goldberg, with a little tweak to her explaination in episode 1.
1 hour ago, Llywela said:It isn't disrespectful.
It very much is.
1 hour ago, Llywela said:It's just practical.
It's lazy. They were even too lazy to make sure that she acted like the real Guinan.
Then again, Picard doesn't act like Picard, so I guess that's par for the course.
1 hour ago, Llywela said:Her lines as written were fine for a jaded, world-weary Guinan who has lived through too many Earth atrocities by this point, I could easily imagine Whoopi Goldberg delivering most of her lines, it was just that the actress, although excellent, doesn't have Whoopi's distinctive voice and didn't quite capture her style of delivery.
She didn't capture the character at all. I could see a Guinan who has given up on humanity, but this wasn't it.
The writing didn't work, so yes even her lines were wrong. Compare how she reacted to an Android in 1893, who told her about their andventures on a future spaceship, to how she reacted to an old man in her bar.
But yes, also her delivery was wrong, for which I blame mostly the director and not the actress.
1 hour ago, Llywela said:The writers know the history of the show as well as any of us. But they also have to balance that with the dramatic requirements of the story they are telling now, and sometimes that means making compromises.
You are giving them waaaaaay too much credit. It is apparent all the time that they don't know much. It has nothing to do with balancing requirements. You can see it all over the place. Just from this episode, how did storytelling require that Guinan's bar is in 10 foreward? There is no reason for it, other than the writers trying to be clever and revealing how dumb they are in the process.
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16 minutes ago, salaydouk said:
I will need to go back to watch season one... if they did drop something.
I might be wrong. Might be I'm conflating it with the first episode of this season. Time seems to be meaningless at the moment. Probably not worth to go back and suffer through season 1.
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8 minutes ago, salaydouk said:
The usage and the reason for the name 10 Foward was 100% related to the Enterprise and the bar's location on the ship which in turn is based on real world US navy nomenclature - the bar was on Deck 10 in the forward section of the ship.
Yeah, the writers don't know that. It already came up sometime last season, I'm pretty sure. They think it's just a name and probably thought they were clever to show here "what the origin of the name is". -.-
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I never thought they would sink so low to recast Guinen. Boo.
7 hours ago, salaydouk said:Someone please explain to me how 2024 Guinan doesn't know who Picard is immediately!??!?!? Considering she first met him in Time's Arrow which took place in 1893?!?!
One thing you should realise: These writers don't know Star Trek. They have watched a few tentpole episodes but that is it.
I mean when Data told Guinan in 1893 that he is an android and they'll serve on a star ship in the future together, she was like "yeah k, whatever". When Picard told her here she had a way, way, way too strong reaction for the character. Even before, when she thought he was just an alien.
7 hours ago, salaydouk said:But I did not get the impression that it would be possible to de-age herself... or can she?
They never said anything to that effect. They made it seem like she could only chose to age faster, not age backwards.
Also shape changing was never on the table. So recasting her was just a dick move. She looked the same in 1893 as she did in the 24th century, so why does she look completely different in 2024? It doesn't even seem like she will be much in this season. They really must have had a massive budget cut. Being set in the 2020s cuts down on scifi sets and they still can't even spring for a few minutes of de-aging CGI.
7 hours ago, millennium said:I'm not sure if the divergence would have affected Guinan's being in San Francisco in 1893. But if the divergence happens in 2024, it means Picard never became Captain of the Enterprise in the 24th century and thus never traveled back to 1893 in Time's Arrow, so it follows he never met Guinan.
Is that how time travel works? I don't think it used to be that way. But I guess how time travel works changes from episode to episode. So whatever.
7 hours ago, millennium said:Guinan's personality, speech patterns and mannerisms have been consistent -- in 1893, aboard the Enterprise when Kirk was caught in the Nexus, a century later aboard Picard's Enterprise, and in the year that Star Trek: Picard is set. I don't know why the writers altogether abandoned that persona in favor of the one in this episode.
Probably because that was all Whoopie Goldberg and the writers and director don't actually know Guinan enough to make it consistent. *sigh*
7 hours ago, millennium said:It would have been funny if Q snapped his fingers and the only result was a waiter bringing him a menu.
Just like if with the "let me catch up"-line in episode one he had first into a halloween skeleton, before turning into current day de Lancie.
Sadly the writers don't get the humor that always came with Q.
4 hours ago, cambridgeguy said:People would have bitched about how she went from young in the 1890s to older in the 2020s back to young in TNG.
They could have just changed the line in episode one from "yeah I sped up my aging" to "yeah, we don't actually age slowly, we can control our age at will. I like to mix it up." That would have explained the fluctuating age and would have been less dumb than her to die 1000 years earlier just because people looked at her funny for not aging.
Recasting was unnecessary and disrespectfull.
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4 hours ago, Welshman in Ca said:
Whether he needs it or not he would have deserved it for winning just as he deserved every penny of his award.
I mean he would have, if he had won, which he didn't.
It still meant that I was rooting less for him than for the parents, who have kids, who'll go to college in a few short years.
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3 minutes ago, Llywela said:
I mean, there was that episode where Starfleet command was infiltrated by aliens and Picard and Riker shot at one of them and his head literally disintegrated so...
Mentioned that one above.
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Episode 5: loved how "gay free love" everybody was on the ship.
Some people might think that it would be anachronistic, but pirates were actually pretty egalitarian and even had gay marriage.
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3 hours ago, dwmarch said:
Riker vaporized this lady here: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Yuta
True. But that wasn't how phasers functioned usually. Guess the writers sometimes fucked up even back then (now they fuck up constantly). That scene was badly written in general. There was obviously no protection from beaming, since Riker beamed in, so they could have just beamed her into an arrest cell. Also seems weird that she just shrugs off 2 stun beams and then gets vaporised after Riker cranks the setting only a little more.
Guess altering her cells made her very unstable. /fanwank
3 hours ago, dwmarch said:But basically the difference between phasers and disruptors has been whatever the plot calls for.
Probably at least partially true. Star Trek has never been super tight with its lore. But at least as far as I remember it remained fairly (obviously not in every instance) consistent on phasers not disintegrating bodies, in the TNG era. I think it was even a plot point once. But that memory is so vague, I might be wrong.
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31 minutes ago, paigow said:
Several TOS episodes and Wrath Of Khan have phaser kills that dissolve.
That might be true for TOS, I'm not that familiar with it, but TNG phasers never dissolved and we are post TNG now. TNG era romulan disruptors dissolved the body. I don't remember what klingon weapons did.
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What really made me laugh was Raffi commenting on 2024 and the social injustice. Saying that it was a miracle that such a society didn't collapse sooner. When last season she was a drug addict who lived in a trailer in the desert and was ranting about Picard and his vineyard, with his heirloom furniture. Heavily implying that she had to live in that shitty trailer, with shitty furniture and it certainly wasn't her choice.
I guess the writers forgot their shitty scifi dystopia from last season real quick.
On 3/17/2022 at 1:02 PM, paigow said:finally someone remembered that "phasers on KILL" means dissolving
But it doesn't, does it? Disruptors dissolve. Phasers will just kill you, unless I'm totally misremembering. It was always the difference between the Federation and the more sneaky bad guys. If a federation member kills it has to be warrented and should be able to be confirmed afterwards. Plus the family should have a body and all that. There was only that one instance where they melted the possessed guys face off, but that was multiple phasers firing at max setting.
Of course the Confederation would have dissolving weapons.
On 3/17/2022 at 1:14 PM, cambridgeguy said:So, I'm guessing the writers decided having Elnor walk around in the past wouldn't make sense (too much of a risk to have an alien walking around, especially with the ears) so let's kill him, especially since he can easily be resurrected later.
I think it's more that Elnor is a boring peace of wood and fridging him provides Raffi with angst and motivation. Spock managed just fine in the past with his ears.
On 3/17/2022 at 5:02 PM, marihunc said:I think it's gonna be Guinan.
I don't think so. She would look TNG-era-young in this time period. They weren't willing to deage her for her short meeting with Picard and made up a stupid story why she looked old. They aren't going to deage her now.
3 hours ago, Llywela said:Back in episode one of this season, Guinan told us (and Picard) that she can adjust her appearance at will
She didn't. She said she can age if she wants to. No mention of getting younger again or any other alteration of appearence.
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On 2/15/2022 at 8:55 PM, Melina22 said:
Despite this, she kept repeating that it was the worst thing that had ever happened to her. And if this is true, her life hasn't been that bad.
To be fair, being stuck in another country, with a not so great justice- and prisonsystem must be traumatic. But yeah, seems like she lived a pretty sheltered life up until that point. I think they pointed that out during the trial.
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This is bit meta, but god damn it, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
On reddit this show came up and a circle jerk started about how Garner nailed the accent of the real Anna. When I said that it wasn't accurate at all, I got downvoted to hell. I know a lot of people here agreed that it was a hard miss, so how can that be? Are people on reddit just too young and haven't heard many accents yet?
To reiterate, the real Anna has an accent that is a mix of german and russian. Garner, while being really good at Anna's affect and intonation, does an accent that is half Ozark and half all over the place (there was some irish, some english, but surprisingly little german or russian).
I know she said that her process was to try and combine a german and russian accent, but she obviously failed at it. Pretty hard.
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Hmm, I'm not sure about this one. Season 1 was perfection (and that's rare, usually these types of comedies need a season to find their voice). I don't know why the writers feel the need to "spice things up" with a bunch of new characters already. I would have been fine for them to develop the characters we know and love for another season.
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14 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:
And this is why I have had such trouble with Anna's accent. It doesn't sound like anything normal, nor does it sound like the real Anna, who mostly has a non-accent but with occasional slight German undertone.
From the interviews I've seen the real Anna has an accent that is a mix of german and russian. The accent isn't super thick, but always there and I think her trying to hide it makes her sound kinda monotone and a bit weird. I think that weird intonation Julia Garner captured pretty well. The actual accent, she didn't get even remotely close to. It's half the accent she does on Ozark and half all over the place.
I was so confused when the millionair dude, on the yacht a few episodes ago, said he thought he detected some russian in her accent, since while it's certainly detectable when the real Anna speaks, there was not a smidge of russian in whatever Garner was doing at the time.
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Didn't the producers say they'd reveal who the father was in the seaosn one finale? Liars.
I think with that I might be done. I don't really fancy getting strung along for 9 years only to have everything ruined by a horrible finale again.
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On 3/12/2022 at 4:51 AM, kay1864 said:
I need to explain this? Same reason their self-driving cars have windshields and windows. See my first post above—claustrophobia.
Those hyperloops thingies were very roomy. Way more space than a car. Nobody is going to get claustrophobic in those. No need for windows. So yeah, you need a better explaination than that.
Also windows make no sense in a hyperloop. All you'd see is the metal tube the capsule is in.
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2 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:
So, Villanelle is a rainbow, and everyone else is a beige person. That explains the episode title.
Villanelle said Eve was a rainbow in beige boots. That's the episode title.
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How do you make such a strange, interesting and absurde story boring? That is an accomplishment right there. I don't think I could have done this.
First of all Kate McKinnon should have played Joe Exotic instead of Carol Baskin. Then they should have gotten Kristen Wiig as Carole. Already 200% better. Alternatively, get another actor for Joe, who can actually pull off that character. I think Rob Lowe wanted to do it. But mainly this needs way better writing.
I'm still debating if I'll give it one more episode or call it quits right here.
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S06.E06: Our Little Island Girl: Part 2
in This Is Us
· Edited by Zonk
Isn't Toby in IT? Why is he doing international deals?
Why are Madison's holiday plans more valid than Kevin's? Especially since she seemed to have agreed to Thanks Giving at the cabin beforehand? Why is Kevin the one being berated over this? If she wants to spend Thanks Giving with her new boyfriend so bad, why can't the kids go to the cabin with Kevin alone? Do fathers have less of a right to spend time with their kids than mothers?