[S25.E02: Week 2]

On 1/11/2021 at 11:44 PM, tinkerbell said:

Victoria is the least attractive of all the women. The prettiest, by far, is the one with the blond curls. (MJ?) She reminds me of an actress, I just can't figure out who.

Some women don't get a chance, they go on a group date, don't get a photoshoot,  don't get to go on the date part of the evening. I think the producers want some of them to be frustrated and crying, they think it makes for better tv.

Hillary Burton, maybe?

[S25.E02: Week 2]

On 1/11/2021 at 9:31 PM, tennisgurl said:

Sarah seems sweet and as much as I have grown to roll my eyes at the sob stories, that one really was quite sad. I think Matt has more chemistry with Bri so far though. She is the one from North Carolina right? They seemed to really clique. 

She kinda talked over him. I felt he had really good chemistry with Lauren so far.

On 1/11/2021 at 9:36 PM, saber5055 said:

Now The Queen is also an empath. Can't wait to see Matt shut her down when she dishes on the other women.

There is now way in hell that woman is an empath. I would bet big money on that.

 

[S25.E02: Week 2]

On 1/11/2021 at 9:01 PM, DEL901 said:

He is definitely a chauvinist, maybe related to he religious beliefs.  He is hot, but...  I’d pass.  

How is he a chauvinist? I like him, and I like that he wants to be protective of his wife and family. What lady doesn't want that?

On 1/11/2021 at 9:10 PM, Katie111 said:

I  actually really liked Bree.  I thought she seemed really well spoken and well put together, esp for someone who was born to a 13 year old mother.    I also liked that they don’t have “perfect” families like most people on this show try to portray.  

I think MJ is really beautiful, esp when she had her hair up after the paint war.  
 

OMG....he so did not want to kiss Victoria and he actually ended their time before someone else even interrupted them. 

I don't know if it's just editing, but she cut him off once or twice, and seemed to talk over him. Didn't seem like a good listener. I write contestants like that off in my head. Other than that, I did like her.

[S16.E13: Week 13]

17 minutes ago, dirtypop90 said:

Brendan left! He’s Christian. He would’ve totally got the second rose. I wonder if tayshia told the producer Ivan was a no go and that’s why we got that fake talk with Rachel about Ben and they went back and got Ben?

if you watch tayshia the morning after her FS with Ivan, she looked noticeably cold. I think he was totally going home until Brendan walked out. 

Wow that's a good theory. I think it has a lot of merit. I will have to re-watch the "morning after Ivan" scenes. You are probably right. Or maybe she was still going to give a rose to Ivan since he was part of the final 2, but let the producers know that there were some doubts with him due to the FS date, and then the producers did the Rachel, Ben stuff. Interesting.

[S16.E13: Week 13]

Just now, dirtypop90 said:

Why? You can literally spent FS up all night talking. I don’t know about tayshia. But I would consider Sean Lowe who did FS conservative for sure. 

I should have beens specific. I meant more using them to sleep together. Not judging. Just saying what would be considered conservative, that's all. Yeah, Sean was conservative in his approach. And like you said, we don't really know what went down in the suites, so I won't conjecture too much 🤪

[S16.E13: Week 13]

1 hour ago, dirtypop90 said:

Additionally, I wonder if part of the abrupt ending for Ivan was respecting his wishes. He has now come out and stated he is agnostic today and many of his family and friends did not know. I can totally understand Ivan’s hesitation to share on camera and tayshia respected him by not spelling it out for the audience. 

The thing I'm confused about is didn't Tayshia say, before Ben arrived, that she was giving both roses to Zac and Ivan in that final rose ceremony?  I'm pretty sure she said that. If the religion thing became a factor after the FS date then why would she say she would give him a rose at that ceremony? So confusing.

43 minutes ago, dirtypop90 said:

Tayshia is a conservative Christian. She said her and Zac pray daily, together. Would have absolutely been an issue. Ivan would not have wanted to be with tayshia either (speaking for agnostic friends who stay far away from religious people, romantically)

No offense, but I wouldn't necessarily call someone who does FS dates conservative. Christian? Sure. Conservative? Nah.

[S16.E13: Week 13]

2 hours ago, Jaclyn88 said:

What The editors / producers think we want to see: “ I’m falling in love with you .” “ I can see a life with you .” ( for the 10,000th time .) 

What we actually want to see : real talk - beliefs , views , having fun, laughing , actually getting to know each other . 

THIS! All of THIS!

[S16.E13: Week 13]

3 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

I just posted in the BiP media thread.  Carly and Evan are kaput.   Krystal and Chris are divorcing.  The first couple never bothered to register their marriage and she ended up ghosting him.  I think that Only leaves Jade and Tanner.  Three kids, but she never seems really happy in her photos.   Did I miss any marriages?    Btw, one couple going strong that everyone thought would fail...Dean and Caelynn.   

Oh man. Ok, I take that back lol. I think Raven and her man are still together. Don't think they are married yet, though.

[S16.E13: Week 13]

7 hours ago, JenE4 said:

I’m positing we just go with good, ol’ Darwinism. The male species wants to spread their genes, whereas the female species looks for the partner with the best genes (or personality, values, abs, job, or what have you when talking about humans) to procreate with. Both the Bachelors and Bachelorettes have a large group of potential mates. The Bachelorettes choose the best mate to procreate with (or marry or be engaged to for a few months). The Bachelors do the same. I think those who actually are ready to settle down do get married. But then the others realize that having 25 women fighting to mate with them, plus potentially hundreds of thousand more fans out there, they still have the opportunity to spread their seed out in the wild, figuratively speaking.

The last part of your post brings to light a very valid issue...the show itself changes what these men want...going from wanting to settle down with one woman and get married to maybe wanting to keep playing the field after gaining fame. Also, I believe the Bachelorette mirrors real life dating more than the Bachelor--in that a woman is getting woo'ed by several men before choosing the one she likes best. Women traditionally don't initiate woo'ing, and especially not so if other women are in the picture. She will sit back until she is properly woo'ed and knows she is the only woman the man wants. At least this is how the beginning of relationships usually work. The middle and end is a different story. That being said, I think BIP mirrors reality the best among all three shows. It's why I enjoy watching it the most and I feel it has a higher success rate than the other shows lately.

[S16.E13: Week 13]

4 minutes ago, catrice2 said:

@AllyCat7  According to the people who watch the show, being my friend and several co workers, Mexican decent on her mother's side.  I almost think some podcast or something brought it up when she left the show because they were saying that Tayshia should not be called the first Latina Bachelorette because of Claire.  Which makes me believe that there have been no other Latina leads?  I don't know.  But since you need 99 sources and a resume of reasons you watch this show, to post on this board etc. don't quote me on that.....

Haha ok. I won't. Interesting if true, though.

[S16.E13: Week 13]

14 minutes ago, catrice2 said:

Because she said out of her own mouth to Ivan that she had NO ONE HER OWN age that was Bi racial or had the background like she did to relate to or talk to.......but hey, maybe that was editing because I know , "she was being real with y'all."  I could still be wrong, but I don't get all caught up in these people so if I am, oh well.

I have no idea but when did she start talking about this Latina connection within the franchise?? Of course she identified as Black because uh, that's how the world was going to see her.  Until recently they didn't even have the choices on forms of Black/Hispanic or Black Non Hispanic s they do on some.   I am actually glad that she is talking about her dual heritage because I also think it is important and wish Claire had done the same....

What is Clare's dual heritage?

[S16.E13: Week 13]

7 minutes ago, adore said:

I agree with this. It's inaccurate for me to say I disliked her because I feel I didn't get to know her enough to like or dislike her. She has this cheerful, bubbly facade that distracts from any content. It's hard to explain. She supplied a lot of uncontroversial filler ("It's A LOT" x infinity) and affirmation to the men , but I don't know any more about what makes T tick than I did week one. Disappointing.  Alas, reality tv? 

Glad I'm not the only one. Very well put. I agree 100%. I feel she didn't talk about herself that much. Not sure why...if it's because the men didn't ask, or if the editors just didn't show it.

[S16.E13: Week 13]

17 minutes ago, Arkay said:

This one time, I would like this fairy tale to be happily ever after. I'm not a believer in Bachelor Nation, but after the year we've had, two extra people on Earth being happy would be good. 

At this point I'm more of a Zac fan than a Tayshia fan. If she is so religious she wouldn't have participated in some of the activiites on this show, and she would have incorporated her faith into her story. Maybe subtract 5,000 mentions of her divorce and substitute some about her faith. I agree with those of you who said that conversation with Ivan was just to give her an out. 

Agree. I'm a bigger fan of him than her. She is nice. But just seemed too guarded all season. I feel I don't know her real personality. Or like she is hiding her real personality.

[S16.E13: Week 13]

1 hour ago, catrice2 said:

So did he really throw in the "now I can cry" thing at the end? 🤣  Tayshia has really changed him!  Lawd.........we really had to suffer through him meeting the parents for this?  This just proves it is the producers.....she knew at the rose ceremony and should have let both Ivan and Ben go...they already knew, but they were determined not to let Ivan be final two!!!   They wanted to drag out Ben's arc and she went along with it.   Either that or her ego was so boosted by the fact that he came back and begged her.  If Zac's family is rich that explains everything.  Tayshia strikes me as a person who has been told she is a princess her whole life and wants a fairytale.....and what better way to prove to those who you have been trying to "show you matter" while being different in Orange County than by having more MONEY than them? 

Also, it took Zac 10 years to thank his Angel who is working in the same bank and wasn't hard to find? When she SAVED HIS LIFE?   Coincidentally just in time to get some press out of it.  I'll bet this was also show driven.  If he wanted to do that and it meant so much to him he had TEN years.  Are any of these people even close to real? 

I hope Ivan gets publicity to help start his charity and I won't blame him for milking it for all it is worth.

Ivan is last year's Peter.

[S16.E13: Week 13]

39 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

At this rate, every guy Tayshia ever sent home might as well come back  for another shot. She really is the opposite of Clare. Clare didn’t want anyone but Dale; Tayshia will just accept everyone coming back. Or maybe this hotel actually is haunted. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. It’s like the guys drive off in the limo and end up back at the next rose ceremony.

Lol they are oppsoites. But I can relate to T more than C. C fell in love in literally one week...maybe shorter!

18 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

Ben is confusing Tayshia and Clare. Clare was the one who told you to “show up.” Ben is fake. I’m rooting for Zac, which if you asked me last week I wouldn’t have anticipated I’d be Team Zac.

Good observation! I think you are right!

[S16.E13: Week 13]

Two thoughts so far:

1. Pretty sure she was dead set on giving Ivan one of the two roses before Ben showed up. Weird to all of a sudden send him home over something that came up during the FS. Just seems really fake and inauthentic. Just tell the man the truth.

2. I love Tayshia's dad. He is such a gem!

[S16.E12: Week 12]

2 hours ago, catrice2 said:

Do they always have the men together discussing or even looking at each other after fantasy dates?  That was just nasty to me and unnecessary.  Surely they had enough rooms at the resort? 

Agree. No. They didn't used to do this. And yes, it is gross.

[S16.E12: Week 12]

Hi all! I have not posted here in years, although I read this forum every single season lol. I felt compelled to jump in tonight 🙂 What I am thinking tonight is how, the more I watch this show, the more the sleeping with multiple people in the FS is really problematic--especially for the Bachelorette franchise. And now that they have the final guys in one room during the FS dates is even more disturbing and gross. This is not the way to add to the foundation of a relationship or to launch a successful engagement or marriage. It's the opposite in fact. It's relationship krypronite or poison. I think this is one reason why Brandan left. He felt deep in his gut how wrong this all is and how it would ruin his trust in this engagement being strong. Him being married before means he didn't want to jump easily into another engagement...so he really thought this through. And he is the only guy who saw things clearly. I hope more bachelors and bachelorettes stop sleeping with multiple finalists. It's so bad for the relationship--especially when Bachette is then lead (call me sexist, but that's human nature). The end 😄

[S04.E08: Week 4, Night 2]

On 9/12/2017 at 11:15 AM, ljenkins782 said:

I like to be entertained too, but the twins' "sense of humor" is so painfully stilted and stupid that I can't enjoy them. They act like they're 14, not 24, and pushing the dumb blonde stereotype to the limit is so trite. I don't think these two could identify sarcasm if it bit them in the ass. 

I did notice that Emily said she was 'livid' over the date situation and you could almost see the thought bubble cross her mind that she's not supposed to use words beyond the 2nd grade level so she teed Haley up to turn it into another dumb blonde moment, which she of course did, because she's so clearly the follower. 

I kinda like the dumb blonde bit lol. I think this is more a reflection of the entertainment/interest value of the other cast members than of the twins themselves. They don't have much to compete with in terms of comedic timing and jokes go. Well there's Wells and he turned into the king of petty, so yeah...not much competition. Anyway, I still like 'em lol :)

[S04.E09: Finale]

On 9/12/2017 at 1:42 AM, UsernameFatigue said:

I thought it was odd that Jack Stone just wanted to continue to get to know Christen and she thought leaving hand in hand was a big deal. She didn't seem all that bright to me, so in the end I think she did Jack a favour. I would love it if he was the next bachelor. Smart, nice and good looking. What's not to like? 

THIS! I found this to be one of the weirder parts of the entire season. Christen, for all her niceness and sincerity, seemed a bit "off" to me...mostly from the clip of her in the intro (she just seems not entirely "with it" during that clip) and then her reaction to Jack at the end just confirmed it for me. He was one of the most normal people on the show and what he was proposing was not strange considering that they did hang out and make out as well. And didn't they both exchange roses or something? Anyway, I was as dumbfounded as him by her reaction. How could someone who you made out with seem so shocked that you want to keep in touch with them in a "dating" sense after the show. I mean c'mon. I guess common sense doesn't occur in Paradise. What made me feel even more bad for Jack was that he dissed one of the twins last week in order to get to know Christen better...and she did him like that? Damn. Anyway, I still love ya, Jack, and you are one of my faves! I hope he gets chosen as the bachelor one day :)

13 hours ago, Jaclyn88 said:

I agree with the posters about Danielle keeping it classy with how she acted throughout. I feel bad for her because just because she didn't act like a sad sack cry baby over someone she only knew for a week or two, she was portrayed as the one at fault and kristina was portrayed as the victim because she cried every second and let Dean walk all over her. I mean I've been in relationships where the guy cheated on me/ was a player, but I never once blamed the other girl for it. It is not their fault that the guy is an asshole and if he wasn't cheating with her, he'd be cheating with someone else. While Kristina seems like a nice girl, she really was ignoring Dean every time he said he wanted to see what happened with Danielle and that he liked both of them. She just kept crying and making excuses for how he was acting and giving him more chances. Danielle was acting appropriately for someone she just started dating. I know people take things differently, but I just feel like Kristina needs to stop blaming Danielle because it's making her look even more pathetic.

 

Also, both Kristina and Danielle said that they weren't friends before the show, so really, Danielle owed her nothing.

True...agree with you and the others who are defending D-Lo. She didn't do anything super terrible. Dean did say he was single and taking a break from Kristina. He is the one that was flip-flopping and playing the girls. And I say this as a girl who HAS hated an "other girl" in real life because she actually DID do me dirty. In this case, D-Lo didn't play dirty. Sorry. Anyway, I hope both girls find a good man in the future and I hope Dean STAYS SINGLE and gets some therapy.

[S04.E09: Finale]

On 9/11/2017 at 9:10 PM, Stan39 said:

Jasmine, "I AM NOT A BULLY!!! HOW MANY PEOPLE DO I HAVE TO STRANGLE TO PROVE THIS?!!!!!!"

LOLLL 

[S04.E08: Week 4, Night 2]

I must be in the extreme minority because I found the twins to be hilarious and a breath of fresh air amongts the stuffiness of this season. They both have a sharp sense of humor and great comedic timing. I'm not surprised that they have a show lined up. If their goal was to look for love, yes, I agree that they failed miserably in their strategy. But if their goal was to shake things up and highlight their off-the-wall and off-the-cuff personalities, then they did exactly that. They are only 24 or so...so still young and unpolished in their approach to most things. But I think they will grow into their personalities a bit more and turn out ok.

 

I love how they went out with guns blazing. It wouldn't have mattered who rejected them and how. They were just pissed at the setup of the show in general and how they, like others have mentioned, were brought in at the end when no one was  available. And as much as they made fun of Tickle Monster, I think whichever one went on a date with him would have been pleasantly surprised by him as some of the other girls were. But, alas, they left and that discovery was not meant to be. Also, as much as I, like most of you, hated the "scallop finger" joke this season, I love how the twins played on it at the end by throwing them and saying that now they were scallop fingers (lol). I dunno. I enjoy sarcasm and humor that pushes the envelope., and these girls delivered. Thank you, twins lol.

 

They were much better than most of the rest of the uptight crew. Don't get me started on stuck-up Taylor and equally stuck-up Derek, mean-girl Amanda, rude and generally rough around the edges Jasmine, equally rude Alexis, D-bag Dean, etc. The only people that I like better in terms of "enetertainment" and "people I'd actaully want to hang out with" value are Daniel and Lacey. No one else on this damn show had a sense of humor. Except Kristina...she was cool. And Wells...but his humor was actually more rude (he went too far with the scallop finger thing).

 

Anyway, there you have it...those are the people I'd hang out with in real life based solely on their sense of humor. I don't mind being in the minority. Life is tough...I like to be entertained! lol

[S04.E04: Week 2, Night 2]

On 8/22/2017 at 10:04 PM, JenE4 said:

Matt thinks Kristina and Dean are a good match because they have equitable childhood trauma. Um, no, this is why their inner children would never work--they're both closed off because of abandonment issues (or some such). You need one person to be the emotional giver here. Or, so goes my absolutely untrained/uneducated analysis/opinion.

I don't agree. People with trauma need THERAPY first...before even getting into a serious relationship...or at the least simultaneously. Using a romantic partner as a therapist and "emotional giver" is selfish and wrong. Romantic relationships are supposed to be balanced with both people giving and taking. If someone is looking for a one-sided relationship in which they only take while the other gives, they can fork over the cash for a therapist...not use people.

[S04.E04: Week 2, Night 2]

I didn't see much of Taylor on Nick's season, but I thought she was nice enough on this season...same with Derek. But this week, Taylor seemed so mean and b*tchy...like in every way. I was like "where the heck did that come from?", but then again, I know that she was not well-liked on Nick's season, so I came to the conclusion that that must be why. After that realization, I wondered why Derek, who seems so nice, was with someone as mean and controlling as Taylor. It perplexed me. However, in an effort to catch up on my viewing of last week's episodes, I re-watched the episodes from the previous week's. In doing so, I saw a similar mean streak in Derek as well. If you recall, when Alex first walked in, they cut to Derek's one-on-one interview and he was trashing Alex unnecessarily...and in a very b*tchy and mean way. It was at that moment that I realized, "Derek and Taylor DESERVE each other!" They are both mean a*holes. And here I thought they were a very cute and sweet couple. Not anymore.

[S13.E10: The Men Tell All]

17 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

What AllyCat and I don't like is a dogpile and that's exactly what that was.  It went on and on and on.  It was most of the show and it was extremely unpleasant.  Once Lee had been called out and quotes from his social media sites were put on the screen   ( things that weren't even on the show) and Lee had apologized and admitted he was wrong and said he was sorry,  I expected them to move on. But then another man would start on him, and then another one, and then he would try to apologize again.  These men who I liked very much were starting to look judgmental  and smug, because twenty against one is never a good look, no matter how wrong the one on the bottom is. Lee is a small person in every sense of the word and the other men were larger in every sense, bigger more polished and much smarter.

 Chris noticed that Lee's hands were shaking and I thought he was stating to cry at one point. Then we would have a commercial and come back to more Lee bashing and finally even Rachel was promising to take him backstage and give him lessons for which the audience cheered, bringing themselves into the angry mob frenzy. And he had apologized to her twice.   The Lee beat down was almost the whole show up until the bloopers and it was not fun, I started to cry at one point.  By the time it was over I didn't like anyone there.

Yup. This was how I felt. I still have to do more digging to determine how I feel as to whether he may be a racist or not, but either way, the pile-on was uncomfortable to watch. I didn't like that he had tears in his eyes the whole time...and that they dragged it out even after he kept apologizing. I would have felt that way no matter who was sitting in that chair. And I also felt back for Kenny when he was getting picked on by Lee. I just don't like seeing people get hurt.