[S25.E08: Week 8]

43 minutes ago, saber5055 said:

LOL at Rejected Matt who can't even come up with anything to say other than "I don't know, it sucks to hear that." Then he repeats it. Articulate he ain't.

Serena, you made the right decision. Get away from that doofus loser now.

Then SHE walks HIM out? WTH.

I was sad for him in that moment 😕

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54 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Ok I'm sick of these women crying about past relationships.  Is this a requirement for the show?

Right? I mean if you have been in at least one relationship before, you had your heart broken. I don't know why it's always painted as this big dramatic pity fest for the contestants and leads. I never got that. Thanks for verbalizing it.

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1 hour ago, saber5055 said:

These HTs are so boring. It's the same old same-o, blah blah blah. If there is no tatted up brother slamming on the Bach, or no mom swilling wine right from the bottle, or no road-killed animals in the basement freezer, HTs = snoozefest.

Yeah, the sibling drama was notably missing this season...except for Serena's a bit...but she was just helping her work through her emotions. Very odd, though--the lack of sibling drama.

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1 hour ago, Adeejay said:

Rachel had a lot of nerves telling Matt to ask her father for his permission to propose; especially since there are three other ladies there.  I am glad he told her that he will cross that bridge when he gets to it.  Good for him.   

A lot of contestants do, though. They will say something like, "If your daughter is the one I choose, do you approve of me?" It's pretty standard. I don't believe Rachael was out of line for expecting that. It's just that Matt broke the mold a bit with that, and I think he was wise to.

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

So the date theme this season has been: Getting whiplash is my idea of fun. 

Oh God, don't say "show up for me"! If you say it three times in a row, Clare arrives in your mirror to yell about babies while giving crazy eyes!"

Sorry, had to give you more than a laugh emoji reaction. Lmaoooooo 😭😭😭😂😭

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1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

Rachel seems really lukewarm on Matt, while Matt seems to really be into her. Meanwhile, Michelle seems to really be falling for Matt, while Matt seems not that committed to her. 

Huh? Rachel keeps saying how much she is falling for him and is scared to lose him. I think she is not that emotive...but the emotions seem there. They are more subtle. I think Matt kinda likes that style, IMO.

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1 hour ago, TheFinalRose said:

Dragging these little Zoomed kids into this show is so lame.

I thought it was cute...especially the Q&A 😂

1 hour ago, Thumper said:

Awww, Michelle and her dad.  So sweet! ❤️

I loved him. How sweet was he? 😭😭

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I just wanted to say that Michelle's dad is a freaking GEM. Both her parents were so sweet. I melted. That is all 😄

[S25.E05: Week 5]

2 hours ago, DEL901 said:

The whole thing just needs a little common sense ....why would an escort come on the show.  Everything down to high school shoplifting comes out.  Clearly it isn’t true.  

As for Anna... ooh, I made a mistake.   No, you were a malicious bitch and now you are paying the piper...I hope.   

At least she owned it. I give her credit for that.

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7 minutes ago, GracieK said:

I hate how Covid has robbed us of the true 2 on 1 stranding 

😆😆😆😆

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1 minute ago, JenE4 said:

Ana and Victoria already got the boot so suddenly MJ needs to be raised as a villain for the 2:1. Thankfully she “bitched it up” in record time to have Bachelor Nation root for Jessica...whoever the hell she is.

I do NOT like this Jessenia character. Sorry. MJ may not be my favorite, but a lot of the original girls were upset when the new girls arrived and made comments about it. Not just MJ. Jessenia is just trying to get people thrown out of the house at this point. It's getting petty.

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Getting a bit tired of the tattletales 😕

[S25.E05: Week 5]

2 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

“The secret ingredient in chocolate chip cookies is chocolate.” Um, it’s not much of a secret when it’s literally the only ingredient listed in the cookie name.

I think she was trying to be cute lol

[S25.E05: Week 5]

Kit seems a bit too young (personality-wise) for marriage. Idk

[S25.E05: Week 5]

Katie is simply too much at this point. What did she have to do with he convo with MJ and Jessenia? Maybe her telling him the house was toxic last week was appropriate, but now she is overstepping. Not a fan. Sorry!

[S25.E04: Week 4]

2 hours ago, atlanticslide said:

You can't blame the women for being annoyed or frustrated by this development, but there's literally no reason for them to be pissed at the new women. I can even understand having an initial coldness towards the new women because they were shocked at the development and didn't really know how to handle it, but at a certain point the vitriol and possessiveness just gets weird and over the top. Anna's level of anger and nastiness towards the new women - does she think these women made the decision on their own to sit out the first three weeks of the season and then show up suddenly? 

And I disagree that Katie is simply playing devil's advocate. During one of the mean girl group convos, Katie was looking visibly uncomfortable before she finally asked them to give it a rest. And she seems to be one of the few "OGs" to actually sit and talk with the new women (though obviously there's a ton of stuff we're not seeing, so she may not have actually been the only one). She got upset about Sarah interrupting her conversation with Matt, but she behaved like an adult about it - spoke to Sarah about it directly, expressed her frustration with the situation, and then moved the fuck on. A lot of the other women this season don't seem to know how to do any of that. This is a bizarre situation that just got even more bizarre for everyone, so it's understandable for them to be thrown, or to be emotional, but there's a very big difference between confronting the issue head on and talking things out calmly, and gossiping, spreading rumors, talking trash, and bullying. Especially when the latter is all directed at people who've done nothing wrong.

I wrote in my previous post that their bad behavior is uncalled for. I was merely speaking about their FEELINGS and trying to validate them (which I felt was lacking a bit on these threads). Of course they could be channelled better. But even though they are misbehaving, we should empathize with them a bit because of the situations they are put and thrown into--it's all so unnatural and designed to make them upset/frustrated. At the same time, we can call out their bad behavior, for sure.

Also, I am still not 100% sold on Katie. Her inappropriateness and rudeness with the vibrator makes it hard for me to take her seriously. Also, when your friends or family are pissed, it's standard to usually try to empathize with them first before lecturing them or playing devil's advocate. But Katie goes straight to lecturing without empathizing or commiserating. It's not a way to bond with people or show empathy with them. I know people like that and they tend to make awful friends--always taking the side of people or situations you are upset at without ever hearing you out. In her quest to be balanced, she is actually being more unbalanced towards her "friends." Just saying.

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4 hours ago, EllenB said:

In Bachelor/ette terms, let's have a cheers to Katie! I love anyone who stands up to or outs bullies and mean girls. There are always a few producer plants and natural rotten apples on any season, but this bunch has gotten out of control really fast. Good for Katie for speaking up and trying to be decent.

You can't blame them entirely. The producers introducing 5 new people was probably partially designed to piss the girls off...and maybe to give Matt more options, too. But this has never been done on a normal season before. We should try to empathize with them, too. This is not an easy environment to be in--at all. I do think they took it a bit far. And the gossiping & rumors are uncalled for. But I do understand why they would be upset by the producer manipulations (adding new people without warning), not being able to get time with Matt (the show is notoriously bad at letting girls get equal time during the first few weeks), and allowing girls to cut in on their convos with Matt (including what Sarah did last week). It's just a recipe for hurt feelings, frustration, and anger. I think if there wasn't the possibility of being chosen as the next Bachelorette, BIP, or Instagram fame, more of the girls would just walk off. I wish they would. But you could tell many of them really want to at various points.

I also think Katie is playing devil's advocate. When a lot of the girls are rightfully upset about something, she uses that opportunity to take the opposite position to strike a balance. But she has gotten upset herself. When Sarah interrupted her last week she got rightfully peeved. It's only when a lot of the other girls also got pissed with her that she backed down and chose to play the other side as devil's advocate. I wouldn't be surprised if the girl is a Libra. Just saying lol. My point is, ALL of these girls have a right to be upset with some of what goes down on this show, because a lot of if is manipulative and even sometimes abusive. Should they bully someone for no reason? No. But they have the right to express frustration, sadness, and anger when they feel it. I often feel it right along with them at home...and my EQ is decent. Most of the time they are upset for valid reasons.

[S25.E03: Week 3]

On 1/19/2021 at 9:33 PM, Jaclyn88 said:

That wasn’t defending themselves . That was straight up bullying . 

We'll have to disagree. I think what they did last week was defend themselves. Their behavior this week was more bullying, though. Bullying is done for no reason. But standing up to someone who harmed you is not bullying. IMO

[S25.E02: Week 2]

9 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

I think that if Matt had appeared on the Clare/Tyisha season (as originally planned) that the producers would never have moved forward with him as the Bachelor due to his boringness (new word).  Or maybe they would have if they felt he would do as instructed by them.  

I know that the Bachelors are becoming less and less 'accomplished' in their professions, wealth, etc., but if my understanding is correct-Matt is the first unemployed Bachelor.  Is this right?  

I thought he had a job in real estate? I think I saw pics on his IG from his office (several months ago). Him being unemployed is news to me.

[S25.E03: Week 3]

57 minutes ago, Arkay said:

I was a teensy bit afraid when Matt slammed himself on top of Sarah as she lay moaning piteously in bed. Not that he'd injure her, but that she was in danger  of falling victim to the Dale curse ( I want you and only you and I'll do anything). And now look what's happened to Dale and Clare, inevitably. 

Wow, didn't know that, but checked their IGs and it's confirmed. Can't say I'm surprised, after the rumors of him kissing another woman a couple months ago. Also, they both treated the other men in the house disrespectfully. I don't usually expect two people who behave like that to last long together.

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19 hours ago, Jaclyn88 said:

Wow , this has to be the cattiest group of bitches I have ever seen . It felt straight out of the movie Mean Girls and it really felt like watching a junior high school sleepover . Is Sarah extremely dramatic ? Yes . Is she an eeyore ? Yes . But have some class and stop bullying her . 
 

I hate when they cast all 21-24 year olds on this show . I know it creates the drama they want  , but it feels creepy and unrealistic watching a mature , much older lead deal with this pettiness . And barely any of these girls are attractive with the exception of Rachael and maybe Serena . Did they have trouble casting during covid ? 

Why is defending yourself considered mean? I don't get it.

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21 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Katie was quite sweet and empathetic towards Sarah, even though she was the one with the most reason to be mad at her. Katie has come off better than anyone else this week, including Matt. And Chris Harrison.

Well it helps when the other girls had her back and joined in defending her about what happened. It gave her room to be nicer.

21 hours ago, SallyAlbright said:

I'd like Katie a lot more for the way she talked to Sarah except she sat around being nasty and talking about her the entire day before. At least she seems to feel bad about it, though. 

How did Sarah NOT deserve any of that? Actions have consequences. You can't treat people like garbage and expect them to just take it lying down.

20 hours ago, saber5055 said:

At least Sarah gets to throw some shade at the beyotches in the house before she leaves.

So when Matt chooses no one at the end of this, he can always call Sarah.* Nice set up, show.

(*Not a spoiler, just snark.)

So the girls are "beyotches" for defending themselves? What planet am I on?

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20 hours ago, SallyAlbright said:

She's such a bully. Absolutely loving leading the others in ganging up on someone. 

Sarah deserved it, though. She disrespected every girl on the show. She put her feelings above all others.

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20 hours ago, GracieK said:

Matt looks like Gonzo 

Omg noooo. You are awful lol

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21 hours ago, JenE4 said:

Wait a minute, most of these girls said they didn’t get time with him on this date. There will be hellfire raining down on the whatever resort in Pennsylvania. Bright side: at least he didn’t give the rose to Sarah?

And it was rightfully deserved. That was one of the most satisfying scenes of the Bach franchise that I've ever watched. I'm tired of people not standing up for themselves on this show so as to "not cause drama." I respect all the women who did and they all had valid reasons to do so. None of them went overboard, if you ask me. I am very disappointed in Sarah for labelling them "cruel" to Matt for defending themselves. This is the tactic of narcissists, abusers, and gaslighters. I would not have expected that from her. Looks and first impressional can be deceiving. She could not have gone soon enough.

21 hours ago, SallyAlbright said:

Sarah shouldn't have crashed the night or whatever, but the others let her ruin their evening by sitting around talking about it (and running after her to confront her) when they could have spent more time with Matt. And then they continue to complain about it the next day. Just ignore her...

It was too late at that point. The date was ruined, and Matt just confirmed it when he cut the night short and cheated all the women out. They had every right to act like they did

[S25.E03: Week 3]

21 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Oh gawd.  Ashley I.

None of the girls looked happy to see her. I don't blame them. Why do they keep inviting her back? They could have used a "love/sex coach" or something. The franchise needs to stop bringing in past contestants for no reason.