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Maybe they didn't rewrite anything but it sure came across like they did. Either way--it has to be one of the worse episodes ever. Given the serious nature of the topic of the separation and the reasons for it. None of it matters to me anymore--im done. Unless I read here something good I am going back to reading first and watching second depending on what I read. Joy did the best review of this episode--one of her all time best imo. Happy Thanksgiving

I will bet we here the famous "its my life". Anyway, Castle has never been the type to get angry and scream at people. Out of all the spoilers I have read I like this one the best because at the very least he gets angry and lets her know it and it sounds as if he puts a clock on her and her obsession. I will watch--I was sorry I watched last week but its the finale. Just really not sure I will be back in Jan......................

Thank You--that sounds pretty close and now that I think about it the title of the Ep was what caused the questions. It will be really interesting to see how many fans are excited on Tuesday.

Agreed that TPTB do not care much about the fall out but they do care about money as in AD dollars which they will loose if Castles ratings fall into fraction territory. I do remember the write up from the head of the network at the beginning of the season--his vision was a Castle with many more seasons and the new show runners were tasked to make it happen. If the separation ends Monday I think we will be able to tell from the flow of the episode if that was the plan all along or written in somehow. Either way--fans are not going to be happy with anything less than 100% all in. Personally, I don't think it will happen--at least not the way many want. Time will tell....

I wish I could remember which interview I read that the show runners gave that suggested the separation would go on past the fall finale but I am certain I read it but now I don't know if it even matters. We shall see what Monday brings and if it brings an end to the separation I am going to tend to believe it is because of lost viewers and TPTB hit the red panic button. But that is just me..........I have always felt that 3 second wedding we got was Marlow caving to pressure from the network. Plus a whole season of Locksat is way to much for me--I can not tell you how much I hate this arc with or with out the break up. Maybe I just never paid attention before but does it not seem like the spoilers for this ep are really being pushed? and numerous? Or is this normal?

What I remember of the numerous interviews from the show runners was that if fans are patient that the fall finale would give us an idea of where this story arc was going and of course they thought we would all love it and find it "Fun". They also said this arc was for the better part of S8. There was never an expectation of an end to the separation by the fall finale. A change in plans? To stop the bleeding? More important--will it work?

Yeah--do you think he got Cheeseburgers and Mac and Cheese? hummm

I have been glued to this thread as I find it very interesting. So many valid points. To the point of meeting ones spouse with understanding and hope instead of anger when one partner creates a seismic change in the relationship is fine assuming the other partner has some idea of what he is understanding! Castle does not even know what has made this tough time--only that the woman he loves above all else has walked out on him and has yet to give one answer to his questions that makes sense. If the writers had a clue who these characters are this split would be over because Castle would not have waited this long to begin investigating to figure this out. KB is not acting out of love and Castle is acting from a place of being lost and grabbing hold of anything he can including sex with no strings. How sad that must be for him and even her as it rips at the very foundation of their marriage vows. But only one of them knows the reason why and in that sense KB is taking advantage of Castle--not the booty call but relying on his goodness, kindness and great love for her. She is counting on it. The writers have written KB as totally selfish and Castle as pathetic thus far and I am being nice. He can love unconditionally and be understanding while still getting angry--not the stomp your feet anger but more of the deep anger that comes from being hurt once he realizes that Locsat is more important to her than their marriage. How the writers are going to write them out of this box with any credibility is beyond me. I suspect they will not--he will figure it out and he will get involved all the while she pushes him away and some life or death scenario will bring them back together and all being for given. If the writers do manage to create twists and turns that manage to come together I am afraid it will be to little to late for this viewer. IMO Castle should never have jumped in the sack with her it speaks of desperation and KB should not have even gone to the loft knowing full well where her husbands heart and mind are and what would likely transpire. A call to meet in public for dinner would have been the kinder way for her to go if doing anything at all. She got what she wanted--Castle is still her puppy but did he?

This episode made me angry. The one night stand, the casual acceptance of this time out. KB cold hearted attitude and Castles "Gee--Wow--Look how big a crumb I got" Vikram--is no good and I am willing to bet he is one of or the big bad. I knew I should not have watched and wish I had not. Castle is dead--nothing these writers can come up with to resolve this is going to matter to me at this point. Clearly I am speaking for myself. Appears they have lost a bit of their confidence since there will be no long winter hiatus after all.

Is there any basis of fact for how many days the two leads work together or this still rumor? if so could someone lead me to that info--thanks.

OK--but where is the smoke? Where did it come from? Who started it? It is just as easy for me to believe there are show runners with rather large egos thinking they can fix what others messed up (just a thought not saying it is so). If it is so--the fact that we really do not know is a testimony to the professionalism of our 2 leads.........imo

Rumors have run rampant on this show for almost as long as it has been on the air. I do not buy it--at least not until I see some facts to back it up. Both leads are known for their professional work ethic and I do not think that even if there is truth in there somewhere that either of them would suddenly risk their future careers by acting unprofessional. It is human nature when a well loved show begins to come apart at the seams with no explanation to look to blame BTS actions as the reason. When the reason could be as simple as the new show runners had this great idea that does not work. There are to many other things wrong with the show to blame it on BTS issues with the leads. Way back after the new show runners were named--they and the head of ABC gave interviews of all their grand plans. SK for her part did an interview wanting this and Hal said as much too because she wanted her character to have "meat". The so called issues maybe nothing more than SK wanting a more dramatic bent while NF preferred the status quo. But neither her or NF created this arc. It is natural if the cast including the leads are becoming tired and now with a few of them with new projects in the works time is precious but none of them are dumb enough to bite the hand that led them here imo. One creator/ show runner opened the coffin with the wedding that wasn't and now yet another set of show runners have nailed the coffin shut. All that remains is the burial that we all know is coming. I am not even a fan of some of them but not for a minute do I believe BTS actions by any cast member has caused this. JMO

I do not comment much since I don't watch much but I did watch last night and as the poster before me stated--I watched it as a stand alone prime time special that wasn't Castle--just a show. There were some lol moments and KB was not there to suck the oxygen out of the show. So I was able to watch and not want to toss things at my screen every time the mean (I am the best cop ever) self absorbed KB was in a scene. Other than the stop asking for permission advice the rest of it was cringe worthy and also makes me wonder why Espo. Ryan and Lanie are not there for Castle? He talks to Slaughter because besides his mom and daughter who else is there? The boys are staying out it and of course Lanie is KB BFF but it still bugs me that not even Ryan extends any real empathy other than bribes. That said-- I had no problem with Castle taking the guys through a few hoops. I think Castle has been damaged beyond repair and I see no way of fixing it now. It would need a some awesome creative writing to turn things around but I have lost hope of that ever happening. My only hope is that RC will get off the buffoon trolley and zero in and figure out what his errant wife is doing. On that note of what KB is doing---am I the only one who sees that she is putting not only Castle but everyone from her father to her family, co-workers and friends in danger as well? Why did they fire PJ after telling her she was in and create Hayley? She is window dressing imo. So much of the fandom expects them back together before the winter break and we know that is not going to happen. With that--a long winter break will make it that much easier not to come back. Thanks for letting me vent......

This year, the TV season has stretched into November without a single new title consigned to the rubbish heap -— something that industry watchers say hasn’t happened since the early 1950s. It’s November, and no show has been canceled: Why networks aren’t pulling the plug http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/11/07/its-november-and-no-show-has-been-canceled-why-networks-arent-pulling-the-plug/ Not sure I did this right but this article also talks about the changes for networks.

I wasn't going to watch but then against my better judgment I watched and am sorry I did. I think the writers or show runners underestimated the fans reaction to the break up. No need for me to say anything about that as you all have summed it up well. All the stand alone "fun" episodes are marred by the dark cloud of the break up. Ratings adjusted down to a 1.1 according the grim reaper--that's the new name for tv by the numbers? Anyway--my question is this--given the show runners have said this is a season long story line with a twist and turn here and there--does anyone think they may pull a Marlow and get them back together as Marlow did the wedding in S7 in order to stop the bleeding? A long winter break will be no friend if they go without them being back together--as a long break makes it easier to break away and not come back. Thanks

I agree with Hal when he said a couple days ago that SK is onboard with the direction of the show. She wanted it-- as the more dramatic the character then the role has more meat and she has said in the past that she likes that. SK has several things going on from her indie films to her production co. While I may see her in a different way than others as far as her acting abilities she is smart. The show has taken her from unknown to well known and given her financial freedom to pursue her other endeavors. By Hollywood's fickle standards she is past her prime so I really think she is right where she wants to be for now. One more point---I watched that promo and really am glad I am not watching because I really hate it when they put Castle down--what's the point of it? It is not funny.

No and No. The end of episode 2 was the final nail in the Beckett coffin for me. I don't like her and I do not think the writers can fix Caskett. She is all about her and looking back she has always been that way but it appeared she had grown from the "its my life" when she let Castle in. The writers have brought the old KB back. For what? To bring back the sparks they saw lacking once they got married? The only reason Caskett moments were lacking is because the writers interrupted them every time! We will never know what a fun, sexy and feisty married couple they could have been because the writers blocked it. If I wasn't already convinced of KB self centered bitchy ways--when she said "I hope I haven't hurt him to much" Seriously?? How could she not know how devastated he is? Are we the viewers taking this walk out to literally? Are we suppose to see it as a blip instead of a heart crushing blow? I watched 8-3 to see how it would go and I was left depressed. KB telling him to go away for the first half was exactly what I expected. The writers toss in the famous hoisting KB up while Castle points out "together" was to much. What's worse is it could have all ended if she said yes to delete! Castle not only feels he has to win her back--he feels he has to win her love back. In what universe does that make sense? Some are saying to those of us unhappy with the show to move on. Maybe they are right--it is what it is and I pushed the DVR delete button as I never watched Castle to be made sad....

Point is---Kate had a choice and she didn't choose Castle--her husband, partner, friend and lover always blah... Now I want a dog...

Rita actually told Kate after that AG gal was dead that she was safe and could go back to her life. She went back to her life long enough to tell Castle "no more secrets" and oh by the way "I have to leave to clear my head" or something like that. She met with Rita after leaving the loft and admitted her I am woman hear me roar obsession was back stronger than ever. So Kate in a very selfish act is now putting her self and everyone she knows in danger and they do not know it cause guess what--Kate is keeping it secret! I will lay odds that Mondays "fun" episode will see Kate telling Rick to leave every time he shows up on the case. I wont be watching but I will still tape a couple more and read the reviews and then decide if I will watch. I will say having this forum to vent has helped. I too am a NF fan from Firefly days but what has taken place now is just so much garbage that not even being a NF fan is enough. I have a DVR full of the best of the best Castle and will watch those instead. I look forward to reading who ever is brave enough to watch Monday :)

Wait--you for got one the famous "Its my Life!" let me know when Castle kicks KB to the curb and gets a dog....

Anyone over the age of 20 knows you can not go back but that is exactly what these "new" writers/show runners are doing. Picking up where they left off and trying to pass it off as new--blah. They really do think the viewers are idiots and NO they have zero respect for what we think. At least Marlowe was honest and told the fans how he felt which cost him his job eventually and ABC has said they do not care if the fans do not like the direction. Reading last spring TPTB at ABC see Castle going on and on with or with out the 2 leads. Like a CSI type of program--they are doing some mind altering drugs lol. If they can not write a happy couple and want to add problems why did she need to walk out after less than a year of marriage? We know it has nothing to do with Castle's safety. I stopped watching Bones cold turkey 2 years ago when they regressed the Bones character and as much as I am a fan of NF I will not watch him grovel. However, right now--I would watch if he acted like most men would if this happened to them--either put a clock on her or cut her loose. (not a 20 ep clock either). I can think of so many ideas the writers could have done while keeping the dynamic duo together. So why can't the writers?

Hi, I am new here. I lurk but just had to come out of hiding because of this mess called Castle. First, I just read SK interview on why she came back for S8 and a certain amount of character control was given her. That being said--IMO she wanted this. The shake up or whatever it is called now. In the interest of full disclosure I have never been the SK fan so many are but I have always loved her and NF together. It is central and an intricate dynamic of this show. I do not understand what I just watched. Step mom told her she was no longer in danger nor was Castle once the AG gal was dead but Kate seems to think she has to right all the wrongs of the world. This is not knew to her character--it is who she has always been. Self centered (no body does it better) with a super woman complex who can leap tall buildings--except she can't. So the writers want to give this newly married couple issues--ok--why this? There is no coming back from this--not really because it suggests a personality disorder for Beckett that is not going to go away when she slays this dragon. No I am not interested in what appears to be an entire season of fleshing out KB disorders and Castle groveling to get her back. Thank you for letting me vent and say goodbye to what has been my favorite show. I will stick to reruns tucked away on my DVR.