MinionBooty

I wanted to like Spencer and Caleb, but that hand thing was so over the top it took me totally out of caring for them. And when did Caleb be reduced to being a normal boytoy????? Does this mean he goes evil next? Could care less about Emily.....though her and Hannah's scene was nice. Why is Sara Stalker only targeting Emily? And why is Hannah's mom can refuse service to Fitz, can't she refuse to let Shower chick into the hotel's sauna, where she KNOWS her daughter is going to be? Please be the next victim!!!! Am I the only one that picked up the thread of Ali not being in contact and the sudden messages and think that the writers are setting up the girls to think it is Ali? What point does she have if she isn't involved? I can't help but Like Aria..... but please stay with your cute geek and drop the damaged loser you seem to think you need to save. There are dogs at the pound more less needy....

To be honest, I think they are going with Allison now being A. I KNOW what's been said about who A is now, doesn't mean I believe them. Ally unless she is involved with messing with the Liars life has no purpose now.

Not sure I like all these, but I guess we will see how they play. So is Ali trying to make Jason, dad and Charlotte all into one happy family? Ok... maybe.... So shall I put my guess down for Hannah? Mom dies or is killed? Or she and Caleb suffer miscarriage? They are obviously broken up. I can only hope they work their way back.... Ezria... I could still care less. I love Aria but not him... Emily is my least favorite, but I am guessing her loving someone who was always using her, broke her. Spencer...was probably the most organic of all the careers. As for who HE is... now is I guess when Wren comes back??? Hey I can wish...

BUT can you? By trying to redeem her you, you are saying she has to have remorse first. For this character as she was shown in the finale and in her childhood flashbacks, that is not there on any level. This not just coming to terms with her own actions this is about the characters very essence of right and wrong. The only person she truly loved in way that has anything to do with love was her mother. Every one else were her playthings whom she had no problem with destroying. This show is not long enough to able to show even breaking the first door down on that kind of therapy. Saying over and over she wants and loves her family and then doing the things she did to hurt, and destroy her family, mainly her brother and sister whom never did anything or had anything to do with any of her past trama, is not going to cut it. If they do it, then it s the same magic pill as the Charles/ Cece story.

I guess I am confused why discussing the maybe they did/ maybe they didn't sex between Jason and Cece is a transgender thing and not a crazy woman who saw no real family ties except with her mother thing. I mean what she did to Ali and Jason could never be called love sisterly or not. She tried to murder them both and put one in jail. Also, if I may ask, at the young age of her change would she understand the changes that come with finally being in the right body with the right parts, when it came to sex? I mean this question with the highest of respect, so sorry if i butchered asking it. I am learning so much, but it's like a book. Every new though has a new though on how this would work.

And then there is Calab..... he i don't trust.......have you seen his hair?

Sigh. You are probably right. I can hope Hannah spending all that time with Caleb would wise up. Aria with out Ezra seems to have a brain..... I am more worried about how much drivel and whining we will have to endure so Sara can plead her way back into Em's pants.

It's okay to love the bad guys as long as you remember they are the bad guys. Ever person on this planet has drama , bad memories, families that are less then perfect that we still love, and things we have done we would rather forget. That doesn't justify us to go ram a car through a house, kidnap, torture, cyber stalk and bully and engage in multiple attempts of murder. On Buffy, I loved Faith, but I knew she was not a good girl and her intentions were not good, even if she did spice up Buffy's little perfect world. For me, I love Hannah and Aria. Neither would forgive and forget. Especially with the fear from Aria and the Anger form Hannah.

To believe Cece could have never been suspected would be to dumb down the nosiest most pain in the butt characters ever created. Basically say everyone suspected echelon else of doing all these god awful things except the chick that they were told was awful a weird.

I saw a story about young teens buying black market hormones. Hands anyone? Who think next season will be all about explaining how this finale came to be? I don't see anyone way not to. Effectively with her asinine comments on what you must be if you don't like the decision, she has basically offended everyone. Well except the ezra/Aria people.

I consider myself a very good multi-tasked... but A is really good. And in a black hoodie! And without Ezra ever getting even an idea....... Thank you for the link Cranberry. I too have never really had this discussion in my life circles. But as a mom trying to raise a responsible and respectful child(if i can get her to clean her room) in todays world it is every bit as relevant as any other civil rights movement. Every person has a right to live their own lives in peace as long as they do no harm to others around them. IF Cece had been shown to struggle with her issues that came along with being a transgender her rights to change and her mental state, then we might be discussing a whole different issue to this finale. If the had showed mom and dad talking about this and little Cece watching, crying or mad......... If they had showed Jason saying hurtful mean things to Cece. And If they had show or told us the other things CeCe had done BEFORE the baby in the bathtub(and everything else aside is it possible for that brown haired baby to be that blonde as she got older?)that made her dad so afraid... then her being a transgender woman and being crazy, might not be what we were all talking about days later. Just my thoughts

For my part, I am curious in a cautious I don't want to offend anyone way. There should be a way in every honest discussion of a way to ask questions without having to worry about offending. As long as the questions are said with respect and a real interest, then i think even an accidental slip of what is okay and not okay by someone learning should be accepted. I am highly offended as a straight woman that if I didn't like this twist it mean I have to be phobic. I didn't like this finale because it insults my intelligence.

I and my best friend are both 41, and we watch with our daughters. Our husbands roll their eyes and wonder of to watch Dr. Who. So what age you watch I don't think means a lot unless you are watching for romance. Hoping a show a that's main bad person is called A and wheres a hoodie EVERYWHERE, who has terrorized, victimized and sees nothing wrong with that, have real world logic... not possible. I will say, I don't believe that Mr. D did one thing to make CeCe the way she was. Saying his not acceptance of her transgenderness made her the cray lady she is today is fuzzy math. That would be saying every parent out there that can not accept or has hard time accepting has to look forward to their child being crazy. This process is hard and i do wish they had not done it, because they did not show on equal sides how hard. I'm not saying he was a good man, but compared to the mother who accepted her, he really did not do much to his family or kids. The character with the worst father on the show also has the best boyfriend. Whats that say about her self respect? Redemption arch are hard... my favorite is the Faith arch, but even that one she was never really accepted again. Mona is rarely very sorry and usually only when it happens to Hannah.

So how many sanitariums do they have around this place? I am not sure how I feel about all this sympathy Ali is giving this character. She was going to blow you up at the end!!!!!! Nor, unless we find out half her story is fake and she was never the main A, but one A brainwashed to take his place when he felt the liars fighting back and closing in, do I care about her level of crazy and any more about this family. Jason staying and also being ok.... so not his character. Look at the grudges he holds on Spencer. His some-what sane sister. Maybe he is UBER A....... And well Sara sucks. Thats all.

So we have a new mystery, but with the same bad baggage. CeCe, is I doubt dead and sara is free? The one I care about, Jason, I hope moved away and got loads of therapy. Of everything I have read and with all the awesome people I have discussed this show with, none of us can figure out why Jason was the one child they were willing in every way to destroy the most? Did Cece blame him for staying, for mom and dad loving him? What about mom what did she hold against him? We know dad hated him because of his paternity. But to allow her Transgender daughter to date, kiss, and whatever else with your son,while knowing the truth, is the worst of all the abuses in this family. Both knowing ly did this to him. Even with Ali it was an accident more or less. They lied to this child and told him to doubt his own mind, blamed for things that were not his as child to control and then Cece also tried to kill him . I can't believe Allison at that stage in her life would not be all over every flaw she saw with Cece, friend or not. So surgery marks or things that did not add up, she would have been all over. You telling me that whole summer, mom and Cece never had hush hush talks? Thats during down the Allison character who at that part was the queen Bee. And knew how to read people and situations. Sara, no matter the sob story, I could care less. Bad Actress, bad story, bad acting, bad everything. She brings nothing to the new story but the crap form this pile.