Anna Yolei
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8 hours ago, hypnotoad said:
That's where my issue lies with this storyline. Not that sex and cheating happened but rather the how of it. And the writers could have easily avoided the issue, it's not that difficult. Have Luna torn between these two guys. She's with RJ but can't deny she's also attracted to Zende. One night, she and Zende are talking and boom they have sex. What does she do? She wants both guys.. Now that's some drama without the rape-y vibes.
Literally, that's ALL they had to do! And it's so easy! But they always dip into the rapey non-con well over and over and over and over again. And the PR traam damn well knows what fans think of it because the last time they did it with Liam and Steffy hooking up after Thomas drugged him, they had Scott Clifton doing damage control as soon as the spoilers came out, in large part because of the reaction fans had the last time they gave him that story less than three years earlier.
When the show did this in 1988, three hundred episodes into its run with Ridge and Caroline, it could be slagged off as "soapiness" because it hadn't been done to death yet. But if people were having any of that shit back then, they wouldn't have had to have Caroline backtrack to say she knew it was Ridge the entire time after all.
Either treat the subject with the weight it deserves or stop using the trope at all.
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On 4/27/2024 at 5:35 AM, NinjaPenguins said:
Hey, someone actually focused on Luna’s feelings today! Brooke was right to point out how problematic the latest misunderstanding night was; too bad the show won’t own it. It never does, and it’s gross how often the writers go back to that well.
For all that Brooke can annoy me, it's moments like this that gives glimpses to the version of the character people fell for four decades ago; one who can give empathy for others, especially given her own experiences with assault (acknowledged by canon or not).
I do wonder if it was something KLL pushed for because the way this show is written, I don't think Bell came up with it himself.
On 4/27/2024 at 12:13 PM, SweePea59 said:After Finn leaves Stuffy, maybe she and Deacon can find each other. Of course for Stuffy it would be just to spite Hope.
Maybe Hope's long lost older half brother can return. As his mother is not related to anyone on canvas, Little Eric would be open to date not just Steffy, but Luna, Paris, Ivy, Sally if she ever returns to B&B or the next most perfect intern they hire to replace Luna. Bonus points if Becky Moore had another sibling who had kids and he brings a cousin for Liam to get a fresh start with. Lord knows the gene pool on this show could use some depth at this point.
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On 4/20/2024 at 9:45 AM, blackwing said:
I would rather see Bridget than 75% of the current cast. I'd love to have Bridget back full time and pair up with Finn. But having Bridget around would take away the spotlight from Bradley's precious Jackie Wood, so I don't think it's going to happen.
I would too but from the shit ass writing we get, I fear whatever story she's given would ruin all the good will people have for her as one of the only characters in canon ever allowed to chose herself without begging for scraps and to stand up for herself without putting other women down (minus the three weeks she spent punishing Aggie for Nick's sins).
Knowing these jackwagons, they'd have Bridget taking Finn away from Hope, and I don't think I need to explain why THIS out of all Logan rivalries is especially cursed.
That said, it'd be cool to see her miracle baby Logan Knight appear down the road.
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I genuinely do not remember Ashley Jones doing all that much in that story, TBH.
Granted, I try to block out that dragged on story as much as possible.
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I can't even recall the last major story KKL was even apart of? That schmoopy keyhole thing in Rome? Gag me with a spoon.
That said, better Annika Noelle than JMW.
John McCook had his meaty near death story which I hated about as much as Mintgate, but if they wanna give him an Emmy for it, I won't complain about it.
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On 4/16/2024 at 10:25 AM, bluvelvet said:
Also I did like Liam’s dialogue about his own self reflection. He needs to figure out who he is without Steam or Lope. That’s been his definition for the past upteen years.
Going on fourteen by this July.
Contrast that to Ridge, who by that same point in the show had been a widow, had learn to outgrow his screwing EVERY hot woman (and just bounce between two, but I digress), and by 2001 had seemingly chosen Taylor and their family for good.
I don't need to see him with either woman, but I hope this isn't idle talk and Bell is actually going to DO something about it. It's long overdue and Scott Clifton is capable of much better.
On 4/16/2024 at 10:20 PM, Cool Breeze said:Let's see. We've had
Ridge with drunk Caroline I;
Ridge with drugged Brooke;
Darla with drunk Thorne;
Taylor with impaired Ridge;
Thomas with drugged Caroline II, et al.
But the first offender to face consequences (including use of the "r" word) is going to be a young Black man?
Not a good look, Show.
It isn't. I figured Bell would pull this shit. I'm not sitting shiva over it because Zende's entitled behavior and oblivious attitude stinks to high heaven but the should've been blasting all the multiple of other rapists on this show too.
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23 hours ago, Js Nana said:
Anyone else think that Hope and Finn are going to end up together?
It seems pretty blatant that they will at this point. Its not anything I ship because Finn is still such a blank canvas of a character but I'm here for anything that cracks Steffy's botoxed face at this point.
6 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:It kind of galls me to see Steffy being so buddy buddy with RJ after she’s put in so much work unloading vitriol on his other sister and mother. I wish he’d catch her spewing her misogynistic filth. Hopefully he’d have more of a spine than his ogre of a dad.
Much like every decision made with Kim Matula's Hope, it was a list opportunity not to SORAS RJ sooner so he could reject his Marone sibs and drag them for slagging Hope. Maybe he and Aly could've been besties who would've later gone over the revived Spectra fashions and made that great.
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3 hours ago, EleanorD said:
Hope for the Future REALLY needs a name change. Time to rebrand! HFTF was introduced by the virginal version of Hope, who full-on ran her line of modern chastity and how it was okay to wait. SHE HAS KIDS NOW. I don't think any of Forresters' customers think she's Virgin Mary Squared?
Eh, I'm pretty sure that Brash and Sassy line Victoria Newman introduced as a teen in the 90s is still going strong and she's what, mid forties? :p
I do think it's time to cut the line because of the other reason, though: she's obviously no longer a virgin and has long since outgrown its main message.
15 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:Finn, why didn’t you give that get along speech with Hope to Stuffy? Stuffy is the one that is most resistant to being less confrontational with Hope.
The Watsonian reason is the Team Steffy fanbase who skin him alive if he ever stood up to her on any Logan's behalf.
The Doyalist reason is I'm sure Finn sincerely still thinks we'll of Steffy and believes his slag wife might be capable of change, which...lol.
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On 4/2/2024 at 8:17 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:
And Brooke only ended up with Eric, who up until her broken engagement to Ridge, thought of her as a daughter (so ewwww!), to write in Katherine Kelly's real life pregnancy, because Lord Forbid, they hide it. Blech. The fact that Eric has been through ALL the Logan women is just GROSS.
To this day I am baffled why anyone thought this was a good idea, real life pregnancy or no. I suppose they were trying to shore up more legacy kids down the road but she and JMC have zero romantic chemistry. He's probably the only person KKL has had less chemistry with than Thorston frigging Kaye.
Although, I will nitpick here to say we were blessedly spared Eric and Katie getting together, despite the show chem testing that shit in 2017. Hard pass.
On 4/4/2024 at 12:17 PM, EleanorD said:CLEARLY Lauren visited to painfully remind us how much better B&B used to be. Duh.
Coincidentally, I just watched the Catalina episodes from season 7 with Scott's death and I gotta say she doesn't come out of that smelling like a rose at all. My memories of Lauren were long after her hellacious bad girl days and largely after she married Michael, but I'd heard stories of how terrible she was. Granted, she didn't know how sick Scott truly was but using a soon-to-be ex-husband who she had cheated on to do her dirty work of outing her nemesis and being mad Scott didn't tell her she had visited him, regardless of what Sheila had done, was absolutely a choice™.
People compare Steffy to Brooke, but I think she's closer to 1980s /90s Lauren: a rich, entitled slag with the world at her feet but revels in being cruel. But thankfully, they've allowed Lauren to grow past that, but Bell seemed determined to keep Steffy this same petty little twit until she's in the retirement home.
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14 hours ago, Waldo13 said:
Why the fuck is Lauren even there?
To make sure the job is done. She even more than the Forresters have a right to hate Sheila for switching her kid and if she'd emptied a full round of brass into the casket, I'd hardly blame her for it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Frankly, the bizarre thing is that no one's looped Lauren in sooner about Sheila.
11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:And doesn't she know who Deacon is? Wasn't he on Y&R at some point?
He was, but he wasn't anywhere in her circle. He was mostly between Amber, Phyllis, Nikki and I think Victoria too.
9 hours ago, Peppermint said:If Hope gets the sads about missing Douglas, can look up her half brother "Little Eric" Sharpe. He should be about 24 now, but with SORAS, who really knows ??
Little Eric was born three years before Hope was, yet in his last appearance on Y&R in the fall of 2009, he was right about the age he would've been in real life, but Hope was aged up to 18 on B&B the following January 🤪
If they want to put Hope in Finn's orbit, I'd welcome Eric III to court Steffy and she can follow in her mother's footsteps of sleeping through two whole families.
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2 hours ago, EleanorD said:
Please give Liam his own storyline instead of simply having him comment on everyone else's. If you're going to use him then put use to him. Hashtag Ivy.
I wouldn't say he deserves Ivy either after the shit way he dumped her but of the present viable options, it's the one that hasn't been milked to death.
But my preference would be for TIIC to find out who Liam is outside of his romantic options. After 14 years on the show, we still don't have an answer to that. I know Scott Clifton has some wish list stories he'd like for his character and I'd put money on every last one of them being more entertaining that his ping pong routine.
26 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:Stuffy, the Logans caused heartache on your family? Anything that was done cannot be compared to the heartache Mr Hyde caused on Hope with letting her believe that her daughter was dead plus weaponizing his son to belittling Hope because he won’t marry Mr Hyde.
And also the pain Brooke caused all *always* assisted mutually. She never needed to drug Eric or Ridge or Thorne to get them in the sack and if not for Deacon being Bridget's husband first, I wouldn't be slagging her over that either.
26 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:Z, you coconut head, stop interjecting your feelings for Luna into the conversation about Hope and Mr Hyde. If you can’t be around Luna, then get the hell out.
Every time I remember this story, I get mad all over again.
Also LMAO what feelings? I'm not convinced that his interest in the World's Most Bestest Intern wont disappear the day she and RJ breaks up and he gets to wave it in his face.
Far be it from me to defend Thope but they did have a relationship that they came by fair and square. This OTOH? Absolutely not. If the show is at all interested in breaking their 40 week long streak in low ratings w the 18 to 35 demographic, they'll drop this crap too.
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On 3/29/2024 at 1:52 PM, EleanorD said:
Finn accuses Steffy of using Thomas and Hope’s breakup to create a Forrester vs. Logan feud.
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Is John Finnegan Jr waking up to the type of unholy slag he married? 👀 Oh ho ho, I might dust off my Paramount Plus account to watch this!
On 3/29/2024 at 1:52 PM, EleanorD said:Hope is surprised by Liam’s authentic concern and comfort.
*Snort*
On 3/29/2024 at 1:52 PM, EleanorD said:Liam and Hope share an endearing moment with Beth
Was it Beth cutting Thomas out of all the family photos? I hope it's that.
Knowing this show, it's just gonna be her parent trapping Lope, and just.....no.
On 3/29/2024 at 1:52 PM, EleanorD said:Hope and Finn bond over their shared connection.
Well damn, that's a fast turn around on Hinn but after this last week, I'm shipping it out of spite, chemistry be damned.
I'd say I wouldn't want Hope's reputation ruined but it's pretty much tainted anyway after dating a child abuser, so why not go full dark no stars?
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On 3/28/2024 at 5:17 PM, NinjaPenguins said:
I really hope Thomas coached Douglas to say all those awful things to Hope. I’d hate to think Douglas was naturally blossoming into a horrible Taytot.
It's not entirely unbelievable that he did. He's certainly proven himself capable of far worse manipulation.
But I can attest to the fact that it's a pretty horrid feeling to be stuck in the middle of your parents hatred of the other. My mom and aunt forced me to call my dad by his first name to cut the bond and while my dad absolutely didn't deserve my love and affect for a host of reasons, that's not something you put an 11 year old child through. It just isn't.
Given all the turmoil Douglas has lived through and him probably having clued in on the history between his two grandmother's, it's equally possible he though this up also as a way to avoid conflict much like asking to live with Steffy temporarily. And that's honestly worse.
On 3/29/2024 at 11:17 AM, NinjaPenguins said:Hey, how come RJ hasn’t proposed to Luna yet? They’ve known each other for at least a week and had sex.
😂 I know this is the very obvious joke that should be made but let's not give these idiots any ideas or reasons to showcase those two more often than their contracts require 🤪
I keep forgetting about that mess of a story until it's shoved back in my face. :|
Edit: I forgot if it was here or another board but I realized he's the only one of his material half-siblings who wasn't married or tried to be married fresh out of high school. Largely because the show has done fuck all with him until now, but breaking the cycle is breaking the cycle, I guess 🤷♀️
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23 hours ago, Skarzero said:
Rebound from Lame angle, that's understandable, because Hope has done that before with Wyatt.
Now THERE was a relationship where Hope strung Wyatt along and switched him out like swapping baseball cards when Liam was five minutes late to a wedding. I can't tell you how much that storyline ruined Hope for me and I was skeptical I even wanted her back when AN was cast. I miss the backbone that KM!Hope had for legitimate foolishness but God was she an absolute pill for all of 2014 without Steffy as a foil.
Hope has not treated Thomas as though she was settling or weaponized him to make Liam fall in line. In fact, he's been the absolute *least* relevant factor in their relationship.
3 hours ago, Artsda said:How does Steffy or Thomas think Douglas can go anywhere without Hopes approval?
The same way Steffy jet set off the Europe with Kelly without letting Liam know when JMW left for one of her pregnancies, cuz everyone is a spineless jellyfish in her world 🙃🫠
1 hour ago, KerleyQ said:And when Brooke says the exact same thing Hope said, that Steffy is turning this into a Forresters vs. Logans thing, he looks at Steffy like "is that true?"
Is water wet?!
My god, no wonder Stephanie was so frustrated with Eric and her male children because they all have two brain cells to share between them :|
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54 minutes ago, Skarzero said:
Rushing into marriage has pretty much never worked for Hope, and only an asshole would find fault in her trying something different for the first time in her adult life.
As you said, it's never made a lick of sense that either of these Southern California natives--Angelinos at that-- have ever been this hung up on marriage. In fact, I seem to recall a huge part of the popularity Steam had in the early years was largely due to Steffy speaking for the audience to point out (albeit for self serving reasons) that there was zero reason to rush into marriage at their age.
Obviously, B&B will forget about that rather major story beat here, but you would think even aside from Liam's brand of BS that after the marry-go-rounds they witnessed between their parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles that Hope and Steffy would just nope outta marriage at all.
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In hindsight, the Oliver actor seems wooden and stiff, but eh, he's young and was no better or worse than Ronn Moss himself was at that age.
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13 hours ago, KerleyQ said:
You still don't see and value her as her own independent woman, you see her as an object you want to possess, and since you've gone x days without a psycho episode, she should just fall in line with the plan. She took a big step by telling him she loves him, and instead of realizing that she was taking a step forward with him, he just focused on how mad he is that it wasn't the big leap he's demanding.
All of this. @bluvelvet hit all the correct points that this has not being an easy thing for Hope to do and anyone else would see the big picture. Hell, in any other quarter-way competent soap opera, she'd be facing a custody battle and/or having fights with Beth, as she's about the same age or older than Aly was when she made her thoughts on the Thaylor nuptials abundantly clear. Hope didn't reject him--she rejected marriage for entirely understandable reasons, not all of which had to even do with their history.
13 hours ago, KerleyQ said:And, Steffy? If you want your psycho brother to be in a good mental space, maybe don't keep harping on how you think Hope has done him wrong.
Hey, speaking of long term secrets being kept, I guess short of Courtney Hope returning to B&B and/or Caroline returning from the dead, I guess no one will ever let let Thomas know how Steffy ruined his relationship with Sally?
She could've sat back and ate her food and none of us would be here if she had.
13 hours ago, KerleyQ said:How Steffy and Liam can sit there with straight faces, knowing how easily Hope forgave them for banging and WTD, The Sequel, and act like Hope kissing Thomas was the worst most unforgiveable, marriage killing thing to have ever happened to the Lope marriage... Fucking sanctimonious hypocrites.
It can never be said often enough how Hope should've been done with him at so many points in their relationship, of which the WTD thing being the most recent of those waypoints.
I feel like enough time has passed to bring Oliver back and let them have a true shot with one another.
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4 hours ago, EleanorD said:
Thomas proposal got rejected. I say proposal and not Thomas because I believe—and the show certainly wants us to believe—that Hope’s feelings for Thomas are genuine.
It's actually pretty refreshing to see serial monogamist Hope Logan choose *not* to rush into marriage after doing exactly that for all of her twenties. I wish more people on this show could do this.
That said, the irony of Steffy of all people throwing shade on this is not lost on me, considering that she used being free wheeling as a bonus point to get Liam back in the day.
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Welcome!
I dunno that I was into the Black and Caroline thing, but I do think it sucks that Blake was the first of any characters ruined to prop Ridge up as his insanity for Taylor ramped up.
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27 minutes ago, Aymery said:
Carter trying to convince Liam that Thomas is a changed man.
Do they have no other purpose to use Carter for other than prop duty? Has Carter ever shared a scene with either of those two in the last eleven years?!
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6 hours ago, bluvelvet said:
Actually I would love if Brooke/Thomas just mutually agreed that they will never like each other and let the families just accept it.
I truly wish B&B could just do this more often in general. People can have unforgivable beef. Someone years ago pointed out on Y&R that although Lily and Kevin rarely shared scenes after the whole kidnapping/attempted fire(or freezing?) thing in 2004 that Lily keeps a cool distance from him in the big event scenes. Likewise, for as much as I wish TIIC would allow Chloe to have any other purpose on Y&R beyond bashing Adam, she still is allowed to hate his existence for hiding the truth about Delia.
Brooke made Amber's life hell over comparatively less, so Thomas should be damn glad she isn't digging up Oliver Jones's contact information or trying to set Hope up with her ex-fiancé Dave's kid who just also happens to work for LAPD in the cold case department.
1 hour ago, Waldo13 said:Once again I wish that the monkeys with keyboard reconsider Bill as Luna’s father.
Considering they're circling back on this, I don't wonder if they're still not going that route.
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11 hours ago, bluvelvet said:
I also think the ILY is coming soon, enough time has passed
It's coming up on 9 months now on that. It's been well beyond time for that and for Hope to make a decision either way. I mean, in a good soap, Beth would have been SORASed to an age where she be able to express an option on this union much like 7 year old Aly did by cutting up Taylor's wedding dress....but if they're not gonna bother with that, I wish they'd just get on with it. The Thope shippers deserve some closure, at least.
7 hours ago, bluvelvet said:Liam - I’m not going to lie, I appreciate the support he’s showing Steffy. On the other hand he’s just so …lil pukey.. the show is making it very clear Steffy isn’t interested
And thank God she's holding strong on that, although it begs the question why Liam can only *ever* play hero to people once they have no interest in him instead of just trying to be a good partner to anyone he's with.
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3 hours ago, KerleyQ said:
Ridge becoming this big Thope cheerleader makes me feel like he just wants Hope to stay with Thomas so Thomas will stay sane.
That's exactly what it is. He been shown his ass about his opinion on "that one" a long time ago and the minute it falls apart, she'll get all the blame. Again.
3 hours ago, KerleyQ said:And, Hope, I'm no Thope fan, but part of what you're doing here is allegedly about you taking the reins in your life. That should include being a big girl and telling mommy that you're not going to keep having this conversation.
Seriously. Vegas is a 45 minute flight away, just get married there like she should have done after the 800th wedding to Liam that fell apart from Bill and/or Steffy's meddling and let Brooke sulk afterwards.
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23 hours ago, blackwing said:
The way he called Finn "John", the superior attitude, the "I'm going to be with your wife since you won't". STFU Liam. I would have invited him to leave before he even opened his mouth, and then called security
You know, for all that Ridge was a self righteous waffling dickweed, when he wanted to go after a woman, out of genuine desire or other purposes, he just went for it. He didn't go dickwaving to the rival the minute things went sour between him and Brooke or Taylor. And he certainly wouldn't have waited for things to go sour to just do the damn thing.
I thought KKL had it bad with her repetitive stories but God, she's got nothing on the one solitary beat SC has had to bang out for almost 14 years now. I've heard rumblings that he got a bit big for his britches over on GH but certainly any karma has been paid back with interest by now.
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B&B : In the Media!
in The Bold And The Beautiful
Ivy isn't a Logan, which is probably why Steffy tolerates her existence.
Also, this interview from SC is funny:
Does she, though? She didn't stay on the carousel as long as Steffy or Hope did, but he did just essentially dump her for absolutely no reason and without much struggle after Steffy came back into town.
If anything, his despicable treatment of Ivy, who was neither the hellion shit stirrer Steffy is nor the inflexible ice princess Hope was in their early years, only proves that the problem in all of Liam Spencer's relationships is Liam Spencer.
Here's hoping Ivy will hook up with Hope instead.