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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:
I don't know, IMO its a bit different quietly moving into similar beliefs, than writing a book stating the faith you were raised in was not Bible based.
Came back to add - Michelle has preached for decades her beliefs about clothes, birth control and raising obedient children are right out of the Bible. So from my perspective Jinger is basically saying the way her parents raised her was a lie.
Yeah, I get that.....And I agree it's possible that could happen.
It's just that I expect the book will be largely about theology-related beliefs and not really about behavior or whatever or really any of the stuff that Gothard emphasixzed like his crazy clothing rules. .....
I'm expecting it to be much more of a positive invitation to MacArthur-brand Calvinism ideas and their view of its benefits. With very little or even no mention of specifics involving other belief groups, especially specific, largely dead cults like Gothardism.
AFter all, a big part of the audience they're hoping to sell their ideas to are probably people who are or have been in other brands of conservative Christianity, so since I think this will be a sales tract, I expect them not to emphasize negative things about those people' former or current beliefs......while heavily emphasizing the wonders of Jingle's new set of beliefs.
We'll see if my prediction pans out. The Growing Up Duggar book was a sales tracct for Gothardism, but really said little that would offend people who didn't believe in it (yet). They were trying to entice and not really make people feel pushed away. So I expect pretty much the same from this.
In any case, will be interesting to find out how the book is really constructed -- once it comes out and somebody finally gets a cheap copy and gives in to the temptation to read and report.! And then we can see how much it changes the visiting schedule between Arkansas and LA...........They seem to have stayed pretty tight up until now, regardless of Jingle's pants-wearing....I mean, Meeechelle and even Jordyn were special guests on their podcast lnng after tne facts about Jingle's new wardrobe came out....
ETA: I'm betting the implication in the Amazon marketing that the book will have some "rebel Duggar" feel about it is just that -- marketing speak. Because they know that's what people are dying for, that'll pull in the eyeballs and get the swipe. But marketing speak often bears little relationship to the actual nature of the marketed product!
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19 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:I attempted to google the co-author (at least they're open about it this time). All I'm getting are hits on athletes. Maybe someone with better Google fu skills can dig up some dirt on this person?
I expect the author is this Corey Williams -- who's affilitated with MacArthur's church -- https://www.gracechurch.org/leader/williams/corey
He's the communications officer of the seminary....https://www.linkedin.com/in/corey-williams-41894514/
So that fact explains the whole thing, I think. This book is just a Jingle-only version of the four daughters' book, Growing Up Duggar. That one wasn't really "about" the daughters at all. It was completely directed (though ostensibly just ghostwritten) by David Waller, as a tract to sell Gothardism to teenage girls and their families.
The only thing that the girls did was provide SOME of the anecdotes that are used to illustrate and "prove" the Gothardy points made in the book. But I"m 100-percent convinced that a lot of the anecdotes are actually made up to make Gothardisma sound enticing.....and that they aren't real events at all.
Now Jingle's just involved in her own individual version of the exact same kind of project.....
This time is's a tract proving that MacArthurish conservative Calvinism is the the thing that makes you "free." It's a sermon and sales letter combined, with some local color from Jingle's life thrown in and her name put on the cover to make the Jonny Mac Calvinism sound enticing to the Duggar fanbase and other young women like Jingle.
Once again, the book is a sales pitch aimed at getting more congregants and members, this time for conservative Calvinist churches, especially MacArthur's. It's a membership magnet aimed at bringing in fresh blood for another dwindling conservativve-Christian enterprise, kust like Growing Up Duggar> It's All About Relationships was. ..... Promising great and desirable things (relationships in the four-girls book, "freedom" in this one) for a demographic that they'd love to bring on board but have trouble appealing to (especially because of their intense though semi-hidden misogyny).
I'm sure MacArthur and comapny are aware of the membership boost that the Duggar's show and, especially, the Duggar daughters and their book and so on brought to IBLP/ATI in the earlier years of this century. So they decided to ape that project and see what it could do for them.
So much for being "free." She's totally being used in this project. But since she's an meek and obedient Christian wife, I'm sure she sees that as her important role in bringing the world to the correct Jesus. And now the whole MacArthur enterprise is trying out a ride on Jingle's DUGGAR name coattails, just like Jer!
ETA: I don't know that this'll do any damage at all to her relatinoship with JB and M.
After all, their most-strongly-adherent daughter, Jessa, has also gone largely Calvinist. She and Bin go to the G3 conferences regularly and vritually all of the connections I've seen Bin make with other church guys have been with Calvinist preachers, some old Vision Forum people (the Phillips group) and some not.
....Plus, the boundaries and crossovers in conservative Protestant churches have been melting and shifting for decades. Some heads of Southern Baptist seminaries have been embracing Calvinism in various ways for years now (and that was unheard of just a few decades ago).....The old Baptist-vs.-Calvinist thing in a fight to the death hasn't held for a long time....And the things that JB and M are most concerned with -- sex women's roles gay agendas, etc.-- are viewed quite similarly to how JB and M view them in many places, including Jer's seminary.
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17 hours ago, SMama said:
Safe to assume Ben is the brother-in-law who got Jinger to question her beliefs.
Yeah, Bin came in a Calvinist, like Jer, so that makes him a Jingle hero now. And he was fresh off Droug Phillips, model of morality and Puritan extraordinaire (except for that child sexual abuser thing,) But totally not like Gothard -- Oh, wait...,
Lust for 15-year-old girls sure runs hot among their various role models....
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20 hours ago, SMama said:
Jinger and Jeremy are shilling that share cost Christian medical insurance. I find it hard to believe that they covered both births plus preventive care 100%.
Well, I don't know about this particular group. But it's typical for many Christian cost-sharing groups to make case-by-case decisions after you've submitted your requests about exactly what they'll pay for and how much of a cost they'll cover or won't.
So.... it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility for a group to decide to quietly cover a higher percentage of a service for some famous people they'd like to get endorsements from even though they wouldn't typically cover the full freight of such a service for some other people......ANd that could easily be information they simply wouldn't share with the famous people in question,....Just sayin'. (not that it's impossible for Jer/Jingle to be basically putting their names to a big lie in that post, either.....definitely another option)
Various people aren't thrilled with CHM's decision making on multiple topics, including pregnancy and childbirth, according to complaints at the BBB --
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23 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:
I watched some of it. She did a "commercial" for the coffee she's been pushing hard recently. She noted that they were Christian owned. So, the haters can't take that sponsorship away.
Well, at least that means this company is a much more sensible choice for them than a lot of the companies they've hooked up with.....AND the Christian connection is a feature that oughta sell well to most of her non-snarking followers. So....actually -- decent business move for a change. And now that they have an actual mortgage, they need those more than ever, I'd think.
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8 hours ago, ginger90 said:
Screenshot from a video, seriously:
Did I miss "How many times can you use the same word in one short passage for no good reason Day"?
Does this mean that Jer actually wrote JIngle's post, using the same I'm-so-clever method he used to write his sermon title? Or that as a Christian weife poor Jingle's required to mimic the Preacher Man in ALL things, including specific dumbass attempts to be clever?
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17 hours ago, sagittarius sue said:
I googled McCaskell, and it's Stephen McCaskell a Canadian film maker who has made religious documentaries. I don't think he's quite a legend.
Based on his IMDB blurb, it looks like he does a whole lot of contract work for conservative-Calvinist and other conservative-evangelical organizations like Ligonier and Samaritan's Purse.
Guy handles a video camera for a living. That's definitely somebody world-class-suckup and aspiring fashion model Jer will busily suck up to. Hence -- "the legend."
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6 hours ago, cmr2014 said:
I simply can't wrap my head around any of this math -- AT ALL.
Even if they have a 200K downpayment (100K from the Laredo house deposit + 100K profit from the sale), they would need a mortgage of 630K at a payment of close to 3K per month.
Who would give that kind of mortgage to a student with a part time job and a SAHM? Who would give them ANY kind of a mortgage? I don't even think most landlords would want to rent to them.
MacArthur must have arranged some sort of financing for them. That's the only explanation that I can think of unless Jeremy's family is MUCH more wealthy than they appear to be.
As far as the house goes -- perfect for them? Five bedrooms for a family of four? A workout room?
Jer, at least, seems to have become pretty good buddies with at least the son -- and maybe the father -- of the family whose house they've been living in up to now. THere''ve been various photos of him leaving and entering the church with them over the years. And photos and accounts of Jer having coffee with the son and them going out with the son.
ANd that family's in real estate AND they're major devotees of JM and hisinstitutions....They let Jer have the previous house as a donation to JM's cause, basically..... And they're major donors to JM just in general. .Seems likely they've helped them work this deal to get a good mortgage deal one way or another, too. Maybe the new house is another house the real-estate guy owns/owned., even....
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23 hours ago, Absolom said:
Who on earth has she been listening to where she found such ludicrously unfounded beliefs?
Her parents? THe other honchos of her parents' cult and churches? Her husband's parents?
I'd bet on all of the above, actually.
After all, these are the reasons why your kid can't go to any actual school, even a conservative Christian one. And why you can't have friends in the neighborhood, just people you preach to. And why you can't work outside your home. .... All those people who aren't exactly like you are EVIL and they're causing EVIL In the world and Satans gonna get 'em while you sit above in your golden crown. And of course, when EVIL people raise children they screw up EVERYTHING in a large and EVIL way.
They don't look for facts about anything. They're not open-minded about anything. These beliefs shes's spouting are the beliefs they've adopted through at least a few generations now because they're the beliefs that make THEM the superior beings they believe they are.
20 hours ago, Cinnabon said:Right. I was raised by my fairly strict, conservative, Catholic parents, including a SAH mom. Was she a “secular” mother?
Yes! In fact, even most Protestant parents are to this crew, I'll bet. They REALLY are a totally insular, totally-bigoted-against-virtually-everybody-who-isn't-them, crappy, super-arrogant little cult.
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47 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:
So is that the church Ben works at all day?
what a dreary place… blech!
True. from the front definitely.
On the brighter side, there are a lot of trees and grass behind the house. So if you just keep the front blinds shut, -- as I gather they're doing -- you've probably got a pleasant view and na nice play space for the kids. Just turn your eyes away from the parking lot!
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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:
A big one too. I wonder if their fence was damage because neighbor folks previously used it as a cut through.
Seems likely. SInce they're right on the edge between a fairly residential neighborhood and a quite commercial one, people would want to go from one to the other without going the long way around by the streets.
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2 hours ago, Cinnabon said:
She’s a known liar, however, so it’s very likely that she was doing so here. 🤷♀️
Yeah, I don’t buy that she has read any book multiple times (Other than her big book of fairy tales.)
I don't know. Her reading one book more than once is possible, I think, since she's not open to very many new books. (Any?) Of course, it's highly probable she's often pretended to read one book multiple times.
Like that top book, for example. It's by Elisabeth Elliot, the late widow of Spurgie's middle-name-sake, dead-while-in-the-field missionary ,Jim Elliot. So chances are she's been reading EE's books for years and years and years already.....
Or not reading them, but just displaying them in her pristine-looking book pile, as the case may be......
We know she isn't reaching out to read any books by people outside their teeny window of "these are the only acceptable writers and what's more THESE people are GOD'S ONLY ANOINTED. (LIKE US)." Those children are going to have the most squelched "education" possible.
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19 hours ago, auntieminem said:
J & J are really pushing Jinger content on IG. She posted another in the kitchen but it was just a coffee drink (tonic and espresso) which would have been better with some liquor. Jeremy's recent IG has been about Jinger. I wonder if he realizes the audio quote he is using on his last post is Ricky Gervais from After Life. Would not think he would be a Ricky fan. https://www.instagram.com/p/CianROZJxuD/?hl=en
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So did they finally figure out from the flood of views on the Tater Tot post that Jingle DUGGAR is the draw, and not Jer or Vuolo anything?
That's gotta disturb Jer secretly, at least, I'd thnk. But maybe he does sorta realize by now that his ride to fame and prominnce is always gonna be on somebody's coattails. And, horrors, half or more of it'll be on the coattails of a mere woman/"Christian wife."
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On 9/14/2022 at 4:48 PM, Joan of Argh said:
Noodles and meat.. where’s the veggies?
the salad's so big they have to serve it in a horse trough out on the driveway
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6 hours ago, Churchhoney said:
somehow I managed to post this twice.....
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20 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:
Looks like they're guests on that guy's podcast?
Yeah, this guy. Son and employee of Michael Youssef, who runs a big conservative Calvinist church in Atlanta, also below. Bet Jer wishes his dad had a big prosperous church he could pass on to him.. 😁
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So far I haven't seen any of the kind of responses Jessa was expecting. 😁
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On 8/31/2022 at 6:50 PM, BetyBee said:
Wow! MacArthur is a horrid, hateful person! Jeremy is a fool to follow him, but is likely cut from the same cloth. I hope their book bombs like everything else they do!
Jer is totally cut from the same cloth. The only alternative is that, while he doesn't believe the same stuff, he always speaks and conducts himself as if he does. But I'd bet it's the first.
It's a known fact that MacArthur shoves people out of his institution if they disagree with even the least consequential of his pronouncements, let alone these big ones. .... And he'd never in a million years make a pampered pet of anybody who wasn't on precisely the same page he is. JM firmly believes that as a pastor he literally speaks for God. So if you disagree with his pronouncements -- well, you know who you're probably speaking for,
That complete rejection of competing views was one of the big complaints that former students and former faculty made against him to the accreditation group back when they got put on probation there. A lot of guys who continue to consider themselves conservative Calvinists nevertheless felt JM's rigidity was out of place in academia.....
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11 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:
Please educate me, what does “let’s ball” mean other than “to play basketball”? Is it a euphemism for sex? I haven’t heard that one!
In contemporary slang, it's sometimes also used to mean -- living the high life and enjoying yourself with enviable luxuries, basically.
I remember an episode of Project Runway a few years ago where a group of designers named their collection of going-out clothes "Ballin' on a Budget." And since nobody in that group was even alive in the 70s, nobody smirked.
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15 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:
Jana would likely be most qualified for paid work with the skills she already has- caregiving, nannying, home management, companionship for seniors/adults with disablities, homesteading etc. In many places in North America this work is primarily done for wages, because many of the healthy adults in the family (which 100yrs ago wouldve been unmarried adult women, or women with adult children) have to also work outside of the home for wages.
That's true!
But I was thinking that, if she DID move out (although I doubt she has), it'd probably be in large part because she was tired of being the constant caregiver and wanted to get away from that for a while, after doing it a LOT since age 7. And I say "get away for a while", since it seems pretty likely to me that she'll be going back to caregiving for her parents at some point, since the spinster is the obvious candidate for eldercare in many if not most families....After all, the spinster is the only one who can move into the parental home without inconveniencing a spouse.
So her only viable alternative to the TTH now would be to move out and away from the TTH caregiving responsibilies to take up another set of caregiving resopnsibilities to which she'd have to commute? Or be a live-in with somebody else who needs her caregiving services? ... If those were my only choices, I think I'd stay put. At least in the TTH she has her own garden and pianos to play.
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On 8/19/2022 at 1:53 PM, madpsych78 said:
As much as y'all don't like WOACB, she put her own video out there indicating that there is no proof that Jana moved out. She actually went to try to verify the information and didn't find any type of proof.
I wonder what Jana'd do all day if she moved out.
She's been so integral all these years to helping her parents raise a million kids, take care of that big tin barn they call a house, babysit a mikllion grandbabies, do office work for the fam and the family business, garden in the big yard., drag a sewing macine to every wedding so she can fix the gowns that they buy from seamstresses who can't sew straight, run the place and feed and look after everybody when JB and M go off somewhere, remodel TTH bedrooms and shop for all the Loewes' necessities, and travel in town and farther way with all her sibs when they need chaperones (which is always).
If she lived on her own or with an adult roommate or two on the other side of town in a smaller house, I can see her feeling like the kind of retired person who thinks they were looking forward to not working but once they retired had no idea what to do all day. One of the cult/religion demands that they HAVE kept to all this time is the one about women not being able to work outside the home and family. Don't see any of them veering from that now, including Jana. What kind of job would she even look for?
I hope she did move. But I doubt it. How the heck would JB and M replace all that work tshe's so practiced in after all this time? Could Hannie and Jenny actually handle the load?
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2 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:
And what about Medicare/Medicaid? These people are certainly not refusing them when eligible.
I expect at that point they just lie-by-omission when the subject comes up.
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25 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:
Idk why they can't just buy regular insurance.
It's against God to risk sharing financial burdens with anybody who doesn't believe in the correct Jesus. I mean, who knows whose dirty money and dirty healthcare activities those non-correct-Jesus insurance pools might expose you to?
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15 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:
Johnny Mac's school says they teach critical thinking skills as the kids get older. I'd like to know how that works with them. Are they using Socratic methods? They claim that they can get your kid into college, but they don't specify which colleges. Do any of the bigger Christian diploma mills like Liberty or PCC even require SAT or ACT scores?
JM makes a big thing out of how his seminary and university teach "criticial thinking" too. But while they do stress a certain kind of logic and other intellectual disciplines and subject matter, it's ultimately all about "criticize things from my standpoint." ....
There's certainly an intellectual component to what the seminary teachers ...
But when they teach Hebrew and Greek, for example, so the preachers-in-training can say that they're revealing wht the original-source Bible says, they somehow say that the principles of their particular sect are "the truth" and that truth is your lens, so when you supposedly closely read and analyze the Hebrew text of some Old Testament passage, your brand of "critical analysis" will turn up the "truth" that in fact it means just exactly what Johnny Mac told you it meant. ....
So you definitely use your mind in some ways, but if you're following their teaching, your interpretations and thoughts always come out supporting the belief system that obtains there. .... What you call critical thinking uses a certain kind of analysis and kind of logic, but all it ends criticizing is incorrect is stuff you were taught to disbelieve,,,,
There are definitely Master's Seminar grads who now reject various parts of the overall belief system -- but JM absolutely condemns the kind of critical thinking (which was probably the REAL kind) that got them to that point.....
IIt's not different from lots and lots of other schools of thought, reglisiou and non, I guess.
Where the intellect is iinvovled in some ways but where the group and its leaders so strongly embrace some underlying belief they also embrace the idea that that underlying belief will ultimately to be what's vindicated by analysis. And if your intellect leads you to question that then you're not thinking critically or thinking well.....
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Jessa, Ben and Their Brood: Making a (Diaper) Mountain out of a Mold House
in Counting On
· Edited by Churchhoney
Plus, cameras = monetization.
Cameras are how her parents got a huge free house (albeit a tin one) and a whole lot of guest-speaking fees, free trips and invitations to MOTY events. I expect the TeeVee boosted JB's businesses in numerous ways.
Now, with Jessa, maybe they represent this consciously -- or only subconsciously. But somewhere in the back of her mind, cameras are the family business..
And I doubt she'll ever question that for a second. Her family is the only influence she's ever had or ever plans to have (since I think she's kind of a fearful person who'll always try to stay well inside her comfort zone.). So family traditions will reign in her mind forever, uness some truly huge event shakes them. (and they do bring in what I'd guess is a hefty share of the famliy income now.)