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Poor Nick. Look at Tony, the cop from Boston I think from the US version. He lied so god damn much but people respected his play. It seems Australian contestants dont respect those kinds of play. I dont think Nick lied. Those hidden immunity lies doesnt count. Nobody hates Tony though, even though he lied so much. It's a personality problem with Nick. Too bad nobody is focusing on the real liars. Kate called them out. Hopefully someone listens, and act on it.

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So many things.

1. Where's Conner? Where's the jury?

2. Kylie always looking for acceptance from the majority. Like a puppy dog and its master. You exposed Sam's plan and had the gall to think you can choose between alliances? Then to hope if Kate survived after you write her name down, you can try and work with both sides?

3. Eavesdropping. Like when Nick walked past Sam and Kylie. If it's one thing I've learned from the US, is that go to water to talk strategy. Nobody can sneak up behind. AMATEURS.

4. Nick. Nobody likes him. He very vindictive, like when he had his talk with Jen Louise and Sue. And he was too abrasive when Kate went up to ask him about the idol. He could have been nicer about it. He probably shouldnt call Kate one of his best friend during tribal, if she isnt. It's very disingenuous. The way it went down, it turned everyone off. But I think it's true that he never lied about his vote and the strategy with his alliance. He never had the chance to go against his words in Vavau. He tried to make an alliance there and failed. He joined the girls in Saanapu but they still dont trust him. Everybody thinks he's a liar. But what lies did he tell?

I mean, lying in the US version is switching alliance, or pitting them against each other or breaking your own alliance(the power couple, the likable one, the challenge beast, the hidden immunity one).

5. Lee. Does he understand that he's playing Survivor? Sure, he's keeping his word during the Conner vote, it's even better when he doesnt have to talk to him as well. What if Conner comes up to him? He'll just say, 'no, cant help you mate'? Now he has given his words to Sam and Kate and he has a problem when he has to vote her out. Just deal with it. What is this good guy bad guy shit? He thinks he is a hero? One think I appreciate about the US version is that yesterday's enemy can be tomorrow's friend. Though I kinda like to see them play with this naivete. It's a nice change of pace. But I call them on their bullshit.

6. Sam. He's so naive about this good guy bad guy shit. What's wrong if a guy lies and cheat to win? He has a problem with it. If he has a problem with it, then dont play Survivor. Or dont come to the US version at least, coz a lot of people in the Australian one cares about being the 'good guy'.

7. Flick and Brooke. I know they havent exactly betray anyone yet, but god damn, they were already celebrating their win(with El). They dont have the right to be mad at Sam's betrayal when their plan is to betray everyone. They just gonna cut him off when it suits them. Kate was right, pegging them that they are at the top of the hierarchy. I just dont know who's gonna stop them. Sam so focused on Nick. Lee, never knows what's going on with him. Matt? Who knows?

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It's kinda like highschool cliques, isnt it? You got the pretty girls together. They scheming. You got the handsome jocks, they just chilling and very personable with most everyone. Then, you got Kylie and Nick on the outside. Kristie just let herself be dragged along.

I just dislike the fact that just becoz the jocks are the jocks, it's a given that they get to hang around and the others have to fight to survive. I think Lee is tight with El, especially since reports mentioned that they are pretty close friends after the show. Lee is safe with Flick, Brooke, Matt and El, but if they need to vote each other off, at least Lee already got El, which I presume. He doesnt scheme and try to make alliance with her, it just happen naturally because they are friendly with each other.

Then if you see Nick trying to talk to anybody to try and make an alliance with, he's a snake. And he gets caught twice trying to find the hidden immunity idol. Can you really blame a contestant lying about it? You're not suppose to tell others you have it, if you can.

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27 minutes ago, cousin oliver said:

The reaction to the Advantage items in the auction was so odd; I thought people were biding their time waiting to bid on them. It's usually something contestants are hungering for in the US version.

I'm guessing the outsiders knew they didn't have the numbers and wanted to spread some paranoia amongst the majority.

Remember: you can't have Nick or Flick without ick.

That's exactly the prejudice Im talking about.

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I find it interesting that Sam and Lee so far havent been considered to be voted off. Maybe becoz they're fit and good looking and the girls like it. It's like that one article that says a study finds that pretty people finds jobs easier. But they arent making plans except just hang around. And then someone like Nick who gets prejudiced against. And Conner is just very bad at this game.

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I dont know why the outters didnt vote collectively. I also dont know why Kate voted for Kylie. Kylie is like no. 10 in the 10 majority alliance. Also, Im very disappointed that Conner left till very late to talk to Sam. The US version, the people are more direct, if they want to talk, they'll just walk up and say it. It has been awhile since I've seen a guard dog, Brooke, guarding over Sam in Survivor. Again, I'm very disappointed that Connor didnt directly told Brooke to leave them in private and see what will happen. He's very subdued.

And Kristie joining the 10 is like she's no. 10 now and Kylie's no. 11. Start playing or get played.

Even Sam himself could have said to Brooke that 'not to worry, I can handle this' or something. It's like nobody in the majority alliance knows about the power couple in Flick and Brooke. 

I just very disappointed coz I see if this is the US version, the outters would have stir the pot better, they would have fought better, harder.

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2 hours ago, thehepburn said:

The core alliance was Craig, Andy, Sue and JenLou. Kate was on the outside of that as evidenced that she wasnt included in an early vote at TC.

Oh, yea. Now I remember. I still think it's Kate and Craig that ousted Andrew. Anyway,

Phoebe: I think Kate's gonna vote for you.

Kristie: Yea. I reckon she would too.....after last night's tribal. (she's telling her she knows) I reckon she would.

Phoebe: Yea, she cant be persuaded.

Kristie: Yes, she cant be changed like...cant tell her what to do or anything like that...and that's just...

Phoebe: It's not gonna work.

Kristie: Nah, it wont work. Ok.

Phoebe: Ok.

Kristie: Yep.

That is the best Survivor I've seen since Russell Hantz. That is fucking gold.

Also, Nick is just antagonizing the eventual juries with his talk with Sue. He did it with Jen Louise once before already. You just gotta let it slide. I mean, Sue always talk with Craig and if Craig and the majority wants to vote out Nick, Sue just chose to go with the majority. But I believe that Nick is being honest that he wanted to work with Sue and Jen Louise. Sure, Nick talked to everybody. But he was only trying to make a majority alliance. Nick never got his alliance, so his loyalty and honesty is not tested on that front, his promises cannot be tested. And then you have people like Jen Louise, Craig and Sue that just get on well with each other and they just became an alliance automatically.

So Sue decided to vote with the majority and voted for Nick. And everybody knows that Nick talked to everybody and hence cant be trusted. And then Sue said to Nick that he told too many lies. That is becoz her perception has become her reality. She sided with the majority. When the majority wants Nick gone, your brain needs a reason why Nick has to go. That's just the human brain.

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17 minutes ago, loki567 said:

I imagine that Phoebe and Kristy had something to do with Kate wanting Andrew gone before them, especially since it switched Kate's position from an outsider to important member of her tribe. And Phoebe was at least initially able to convince Connor/Kate/Sue to keep her over Kristie when she just played an idol the night before and proved that she was a dangerous tribe member. 

And it's interesting to point out that even if VV hadn't voted out Andrew, there's still a good chance they would have kept losing. The original members of VV would had to start voting each other out anyway. So everything that happened might have benefited Connor or Kate. 

Wasnt Kate in an alliance with Craig, Andrew & Sue? I didnt saw her as an outsider. I dont know which tribe she's from originally. Too many people. Kate couldnt stand Andrew anyway, she vented to Craig and Craig listened. I dont think Phoebe was the cause for Andrew's oust.

Also, Andrew was the constant worst performer during challenges. So yea, they gonna losing anyway, maybe even harder with Andrew around.

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5 hours ago, loki567 said:

Man, give Phoebe some major credit that it didn't take much to convince a group that should have known better, to keep her around.

Rohan saved Phoebe in the beginning. Then Kat goes. Then Kate wanted Andrew gone. Then Phoebe used an idol again. It's very straight forward actually.

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7 hours ago, BK1978 said:

Edited to added:  I wonder if my new theory is right about Brooke being the potential winner.  After all the tribe did decide to let her view Vavau's Tribal Council.

The editing kinda shows that Flick and Brooke are ready to play, ready to scheme, right? I feels like it's not a coincidence that she gets to look at Vavau's tribal. The girls are playing. Makes me think what are the boys are doing for the inevitability. Lee wants to play the honest and trust game. Boring. Dont know anything about Sam.

2 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Nooooo! Not Craig!! Ah, hell. He was a bloody good lad, great sport, and his heart was in it. And he had little tears in his eyes at tribal. I'll always remember his hardcore eye-of-the-tiger coaching of Sue while she was futility trying to hold up her basket of coconuts in that challenge.

I would have picked Connor, cuz he could be assimilated, and he'd probably sing like a bird, and it would take the last man standing away from VV.  

Remember that Conner accused/outted Flick as a schemer. Brooke is with Flick. Matt voted for Conner at tribal coz he disagree with what he said at tribal. I dont think it's that easy for Conner.

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Poor Pheobe as well. She has been forced to play the game early, and now even though Brooke thinks she is a strong strategic player, she's apprehensive about her. The future doesnt look bright for her.

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2 minutes ago, thehepburn said:

The Kylie sleeping drama is petty and stupid in isolation but enlightening in showing tribe dynamics which is why it was shown. Kylie is still on the outside of the core alliance as shown by Kylie and Nick's regular position at the end of the sleeping arrangement every night. Even JennahLOuise, the designated sitting duck, has managed to sleep closer to the Mean Girls in the middle than Kylie. Kylie was not necessary in the wrong but bc the Mean Girls won't accept her fully, it was she who had to apologize the next morning. An apology which was not accepted and used to villainize her some more in preparation for when they vote her off/ 

Some real Lord of the flies shit.

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17 minutes ago, Kelda Feegle said:

So I am pretty much new to this, not having watched survivor since sea sons one and two of the Us version a gazillion years ago, but why did whatshername pick sue to join Saanapu?

Im just guessing, but maybe becoz Sue is seen as the straight talking type, and the hope is to get her to talked about Vavau and know more about thy enemy.

Poor Kylie. She wanted to form an all girls alliance, but the girls wouldnt have none of it. Not even Jen Louise, who's originally from another tribe. Maybe the 'bed space fight' damaged relations too much.

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I think Nick was making space for Kylie to move over towards the edge. But Kylie said she moved already. She also said something about Matt squeezing into the middle. At the beginning, she said something about finding space for herself. There's gotta be some history and something deeper behind the fight.

I got the feeling that Kylie is feeling she is being mistreated.

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3 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I'm bummed by how fast this show is losing me. I was so into it for awhile but the tribe swap has really killed all the excitement for me. It's just painfully boring to watch the same tribe win/the same tribe go to TC every single episode.

I really hope they do another tribe swap this week. There needs to be a shakeup asap.

I'm enjoying it so far. Like BK said, the editing is not clueing who's gonna go. It's a refreshing change from the US editing. And that's how Survivor should be, you know. As for them constantly losing, it's fun for me coz that forces them to 'play' the voting game and it kinda shows what kind of players they are sooner than later. And to see how they adapt when they merge later on. Merge should be coming soon. I dont think it's gonna be top 10, the Vavau tribe would only be left with 3 people then. It must be top 12, but Im just guessing.

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/television/australian-survivor-phoebe-timmins-pushes-her-luck-with-go-hard-or-go-home-gamble/news-story/900159c38fe860a8b48017410661f775

Pheobe said “so far I haven’t seen any amazing strategy from the guys”. So true.

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Connor is pretty bad at the game for a so called fan. He gave Pheobe confirmation on who the majority will be voting for. In all likelihood, even if he didnt, Pheobe already got a hunch anyway and she'll play the idol for herself even if she doesnt. What he should do is give he fake information and 'play' her instead for insurance. All this 'keeping my word' bs, like their chivalrous or heroes or something in this game of lies and deceit. Of course the women would be advantageous around silly men like these. And remember Rohan's exit confession? He wants to keep his word to himself while breaking the voting agreement to his group. That is the worst.

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I got a problem with Jonathan. His questions during tribal are so direct, it's almost tantamount to asking who you be voting for. Can he be a little more subtle? Also, can he not say that there's a new majority in town when Andrew got voted off? It's like he's encouraging them to stick with it, the new status quo. Survivor can be unpredictable. It's like he's wanting to create a narrative for the show a bit too much. Jeff Probst would have said that the tribe values strength over loyalty. Lets see if it's the right choice.

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Andrew definitely is very narcissistic, isnt he? He's the villian of the show for me.

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Going back to when Conner was convincing Lee and Matt to vote Flick out, when Flick asked him were they discussing to vote her out (half jokingly), he just said yea. If he would just play it cool, then he would send flick to the other tribe. Noobs.

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On 9/1/2016 at 10:16 PM, Kromm said:

She was already a universal target. And we all heard them say they assumed she had the HII.  Even if a few had doubts they were voting on the assumption she did no matter what. 

I think she was unsure of that though even though WE knew it from Talking Heads. We had info she didn't. 

It's Survivor 101 that you dont reveal the HII. Of course there are exceptions, such as Russell Hantz openly wearing it at final 5 or 4, but he wasnt going home. It's a different circumstance. But most of the time, you dont tell others you have it. You ascertain that they are going to vote for you, then after the vote, you pull it out and then you have your pick who to go and weakens them. You also dont tell others just in case there's a slim chance you dont have to use it. Slim chance but you keep all your options, all your plays from your playbook that way.

Again, it's Survivor 101. I dont know how much Survivor you have watched but I digress. Anyway, Rohan is pretty stupid in the last episode. It still wouldnt change the result if there's a tie vote as the majority would just vote Rohan out, but saying that he's keeping his words to vote Kat out is just plain stupid. It's a numbers game. What? Hypothetically, if he make it to the final, is he gonna say he is a man of his words and he voted for Kat this tribal coz he said to himself that he would? After making plans with others to vote Sue?

Bunch of noobs in the first season of Aussie Survivor.

At least it's a better season so far than the boring season Boston Rob won. Nobody had the balls the usurp him.

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i was flipping channels and saw the amazing race with this couple, burnie and ashley. another team called them gamers and i thought, "letsplay"? so i ended up watching the last 3 episodes to the finale and two of the teams seemed to be against them. is there any particular reason or animosity?

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3 minutes ago, Dobian said:

First off, I forgot to mention that I was sorry to see Cyd not make it to the final three at the end.  I would have rather seen here there than Tai.  As for who played the better game, I personally would have picked Aubry, she played the best game.  I disagreed with Scott, I don't see how Michelle was getting stronger while Aubry was getting weaker (maybe Tai, but Aubry was playing a smart and gutsy game right up to the final tribal).  I thought both Michelle and Aubry played great down the stretch.  Tai didn't deserve to win because he played a lousy social game.  He should have stuck to his alliance with the bad tats, then use his advantages to protect himself down the stretch.  I disagree that Michelle did nothing,  She played a great social game and she won challenges.  She was frequently at the bottom of her alliance and maneuvered enough to stay in it. So I'm fine with her winning.

Tai would have no protection if he stick with the boys. He have to give up his idol to do the super idol plan. Then the boys would vote Tai out becoz they dont think they can beat him in FT, as they discussed in the show.

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Aubrey never was in control. She wasnt when she voted Debbie out. She wasnt when she voted Jason out. She wasnt the mastermind when it was group decision between Tai and Cydney.

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1 minute ago, pamplemousse said:

Word, blackwing. I thought Aubrey pretty much tanked her own game after she chose to go along with Cyd rather than Tai and voted out Kyle instead of Michelle, hanging Tai -- supposedly one of her closest allies -- out to dry (she did a similar thing to Joe when she wrote Julia's name down and then crossed it out and changed it to Peter, what saved her and Joe was that they merged next episode). That struck me as a truly bone-headed and illogical decision and I think it was the turning point for her game, it was all downhill after that. Michelle was a real threat, which Tai recognized, and yet Aubry screwed Tai and herself and kept Michelle in the game just to appease reactionary Cydney. So stupid and I would almost go as far as to say that Aubry deserved to lose after that. But then that would leave Michele as the winner (poor Tai, regardless of my own personal opinion as to his game and his worth, didn't stand a chance) and mehhhh.

Aubrey's game certainly has a lot of flaws. Becoz of editing, they made seemed like "the woman behind the curtain", but it is easy to see that's not the case.