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On a different topic, I agree that if either Dom or Wendell were female, they would have lost. It's the deep-rooted patriarchy society that causes these perceptions. I've said before that even Laurel played better than Wendell. Even Don had a chance to win. I know I can be objective. I can look at myself. But then again, it's all opinions on a game that is about social.

It was an alliance of 4 and only Don was on the jury and he thinks Wendell was second in command. You have to see objectively how Dom played. He wasn't wild like Tony Vlachos or an ass like Russell. Have you seen how he behaved when the Bradley thing went down, how he talked to Chelsea and Kellyn and how he talks to Angela? I think calling him an ass(while may be your opinion) sounds like an excuse, based on the edits. Again, because of your perception of Dom, you also see Michael in a bad light. I don't remember Michael interrupting anybody. He spoke up always near the end of someone else's point. They have done away with speeches already. It's an open forum now, which means open discussion, talking openly. What about when Dom interjects Wendell and invoked Don to tell the truth? Wendell was telling a moot point, might as well interject yourself. It's only blood is you're an asshole.

People can vote for who they want. I get that. It's like their rights. And you can't go against people's rights kind of thing. I'm just dissecting their decisions and merits. If you say he's second in command, then he has the second best resume. He's not as visible out there as Dom. Obviously, they were both save with immunities and idols. So all that's left is to put yourself out there more so you have the better resume. I'm just questioning his logic. Kellyn wasn't a strong alliance to the foursome. She was always looking to make something of her own against the boys. Seb felt Wendell was a brother. Don thought Wendell was second in command. Chelsea...still poker face. Laurel has a deep bond with Wendell. So you're not correct with that assessment.

I didn't bring up the vote validity argument, you did. Obviously, you should look at the part about Angela and Jenna. I was just talking about merits. I don't discount anybody's' vote. You can't affect how they vote. You can just question their decision. And frankly, Stephen's opinion is shit and stupid. The statement is sooooo stupid. There's the one who played best. There's the one determined to play the best. The one determined the best was judged as so by the jurors, but they did not played the best, they were only determined so, but as such is the best, but did not played the best........and round and round and round. It's just a lame way of saying "you played the best but we're gonna give somebody else the money so they are the best, they have superceded you as the best, but you played the best, we just don't wanna vote for you, we decide who's the best and it's not you but you played the best but you're not getting our votes so you are not the official winner so you cannot call yourself the best even though you played better". You can square with that however you want. What I'm interested in is simply discussing merits. And I say Dom has more merit to winning than Wendell. Dom does more work gameplay wise. Wendell just wanna play nice. Now I won't say playing nice is not gameplay at all. It's totally part of it. But if Dom does more for his alliance and didn't piss people off, then as a fair juror, you should reward Dom over somebody you feel closer to. (Wow, can't believe I said that. I'll admit, I don't know if I could do what I preach). And only Laurel and Seb(and Dom) has a bond with Wendell. But it doesn't matter because they didn't reward him for playing the best, so the guy that won the money is the official best, right? We don't need to discuss why Dom is not rewarded because Wendell is crowned the best, right? Why wasn't Chris the loose cannon? He went after Dom first. Is it because of his vindictive attitude makes him seem like the victim and Dom's like "I'm gonna get this guy" makes him looks like a loose cannon? Dom's just has more fiery new yorker attitude.

Did he really say or think Dom is powerless? Or did he meant would be? Also, does he really even believe that when he voted for Dom. First of all, we don't even know what's Kellyn's problem with Dom is. She even shushed him. In the episodes, they were fine. He was the one to warn her they were plotting against her. Seb's just too immature over Dom's act at tribal. Dom was not just loud. You're saying loud like it's without substance. But in the episodes, he was shown to be the one talking to people whilst Wendell hide behind him. He was the one seen talking to Chelsea, Kellyn, others. He brought over Laurel and Donathan. He was never offensive.

Obviously, Wendell tried to be the good guy. He'll enthusiastically debate rap music with Des but she doesn't care. But he'll do chores with Seb so Seb gives him the vote. For me, survivor gameplay is mostly black and white. I'll leave the emotions out the door...mostly. I'll reward the best player.....as long as they are not ass. I don't think Dom is an ass. That satisfy my whole criteria. Best player + not ass. That's a win for me. Wendell is second best but nicer. But when I say not ass, that could mean nice as well. Just not as nice as Wendell. Tony Vlachos was super crazy, was he ass? I find him super entertaining. Especially his llama talk to Kass. I just want you to be the best player and not be ass. If you're nicer to me or wanna discuss rap with me, that's cool. Unless you're total ass, I will leave my emotions out the door when I vote.

You didn't really compare Angela and Jenna, you just questioned my judgement. Angela doesn't know how to play because she spilled the beans to Dom. Before that, she was always strung along by other people. I'm surprised the bottoms never voted together, but at least Don and Seb were going after it more than Angela. But Jenna was shut out by everybody, just like Michael. Maybe her social game wasn't strong enough so she finds herself on an island, but at least she wasn't strung along. Actually, you could swap Jenna for Angela but that's hypothetical. But just because Jenna didn't get the chance to play her game doesn't mean her vote is not valid. Angela's vote is for me because she gets to play but didn't. Wendell was targetted once. After that, Dom was the main target. Because Wendell was winning immunity. But like Laurel said, you don't want your game to depend on winning immunity. So Dom was targetted more times. He still gets fewer votes total because Laurel decides to stick with them, but make no mistake, Dom was in danger, especially that Seb vote and that final immunity challenge. While you don't want your game to depend on immunity, it's still nice to win them. The one that matters most to me would be the final immunity. So, yea. Dom was really the meat shield for Wendell. Dom was first in command. I think he was the target in that one time but he won immunity so they target Wendell, but I'm not sure. And sure, conversely, when Wendell won, they target Dom. But Wendell was hiding behind Dom's social game so Dom was the meatshield.

I looked into the interviews. Seb said Dom called Don names. But I'm second guessing his account. Why would Dom be that stupid? Sometimes, when my dad criticized my mom, mom would say dad scolded her. I'll ask her word for word what did he say. Every time, she exaggerates things. It could be the same with Seb. I can't see Dom being that stupid. But if Seb feels he has a bond with Wendell, then that's fine. And Don said Wendell was the second in command. And he wanted to play like Wendell. So he voted for Wendell. But there's a fallacy to that kind of thinking. If you're second in command, then you're not the best. There’s also this angle to look at. At the final, Michael, Chris and Des were like, “what moves you make, own it, I'm not hurt or bitter”. Kellyn has the sour look always. So she’s “feeling”, right? You’ve seen this before the final as well. I was always guessing what that bad look is for pre-final. The people that voted for Dom were championing gameplay. When they questioned Wendell’s gameplay, he spoke poorly. Kellyn and Sebastian were bitter. Angela has no clue but got beat by Wendell in the fire challenge. Chelsea is a mystery. (Donathan, I am seriously wondering whether he mistakenly voted the wrong way.) this was written before i read the interviews. All this lends to the perception that Dom played the stronger game.

Where did you get that Dom was flashy or dick swinging? I didn't see any of that. Dom was the one talking to most people, doing the work, whilst Wendell just sat back and relied on his alliance. Dom's game was stronger. But Kellyn seemed to has it out for Dom at the final for some reason. She's bitter. Sebastian's bitter. Chelsea has a poker face because of the edits, but in the episodes, Dom was working with her. Dom's was the one warning Kellyn. Dom fooled Sebastian at tribal. Wendell has an antagonistic relationship with Donathan towards the end, Im guessing whether he mistakenly voted the wrong way. Angela...maybe she voted for Wendell because he beat her at the fire challenge and she was in the military so it's like best man win kinda thing. But the girl is clueless about the game. She doesn't know how to play at all. They wanna blindside Dom and she spills the bean? Aren't the underdog supposed to stick together? Especially when they have the numbers for a while but they just wouldn't or couldn't make the move. We never see Wendell working the social game outside of his own alliance post-merge. Based on the edits, Dom's game was stronger.

I feel like ratings are dropping because there are fewer episodes this season I think. I don't like the show tribe swapping twice. Once is enough. In Survivor 2 Australia, I think is the season with Colby. Back then, 40 minutes of the show would be about them surviving the wild. Then around season 20, you have the dominant alliance steamrolling to the finish. Every time I think about this, I think of Boston Rob's winning season. So on the scale, in the beginning, it was "theoretically" 0% luck and now the show wants to spice things up for the viewers which introduce more of the element of luck, so the scale is tipping more to luck in terms of gimmicks such as tribe swaps (I think it used to be once) and the ghost island. It's their show and they can spice it up any way they want if they think it does. But you have to balance between giving the element of luck against punishing them due to luck. About Ghost Island, it is so stupid. I don't understand why they break the urn in succession. I thought they could break it in any order. And then, they don't even work for the advantage, it's just a random draw. At least make it a treasure hunt or a quest or a puzzle or a trial or a clue that pertains to the main island. The show just wants to straight up give people advantages to make it exciting for the viewers, which I feel is only 50/50 effective. I really like the Aussie edits. I think there were a couple of 2 hr eps and a 3 eps stretch where there's only 1 eviction. They show more of the interpersonal relationships and dynamics and strategy. Part of the reason the Ghost Island doesn't really appeal to me is because of the U.S. edits. They make it harder to care about it anymore season after season. They always misdirect and doesn't really show more of the relationships that help us understand the voting. Colby and Tina were a final 2. Woo and Tony were a final 2. Sarah's one was a final 3. And iirc, all of those finals the finalist eliminated the other person. There was no fire challenge. If you win the final immunity, you were rewarded with the final decision. Wendell couldn't get kick out because of it. I think that's unfair. I know the U.S. edits leaves out a lot of things, so when more people said Dom talked to them than Wendell, I'm gonna take that as my benchmark. First off, Sebastian is a hippie that is bitter about getting one-upped by Dom. Kellyn always put on a bad face on the jury. Now I guess that’s towards Dom. To me, Laurel and Dom played a better game than Wendell. I hate PC culture and SJW and not a feminist but not a sexist, but I think (I definitely know) that the boys were seen as the ones to beat because they were men. Socially, perception is reality; that I think is very true. But Laurel and Donathan needs to have a bit more self-believe. Doms war against Chris put him and Wendell on the map. But then they were just became figureheads a little bit; figureheads with no power in a sense. Because Laurel saved the boys twice I think. She and Don were the spies, listening to the other group about trying to take out the boys. In those tribals, she could take a bigger credit than the boys. You just need to have the confidence to talk it up in the finals. The boys need her, but she needed them too, to an extent. The boys still played great. They were the ones they tried to take out and they won the immunity challenges and have idols to back them up. And obviously, Angela doesn’t know how to play the game and helped Dom instead of gunning for him. Donathan has a chance but he just blurted out that he’s against the boys instead of keeping his intentions hidden. If the perception is the boys are ahead and Laurel and Donathan are behind, then all you need is blindside one of the boys, then you and Laurel would be on top, and the lone boy left (Dom or Wendell) would be seen as powerless now (perception). And then Donathan could argue he played better than Laurel because he’s more active on kicking out Dom and Wendell. His mistake is just blurting out his intentions. He was so paranoid for 2 tribals, convinced that they were gonna vote him out. On the foursome as a whole, there was no mastermind. Every tribal they win, they all share credit. Laurel could argue she has a bigger share. Donathan could argue he played the best if he managed to oust the Dom/Wendell alliance. But I think Laurel and Donathan just didn’t have enough confidence in their own games, and they didn’t think of my arguments which I think have merits. Edit wise, we definitely see more of Dom talking to Kellyn and Chelsea. Plus what happened at final tribal, my perception is that Dom does more of the work, then he tells Wendell and then they decide. We have people like Michael and Chris (surprisingly) that holds no hard feelings about your strategy. Then we have people like Sebastian and Kellyn. Sebastian is just a hippie. But Kellyn, I don’t know why she seems angry at Dom. She called him paranoid when he was warning her that the girls were planning to vote her out, back when they were working together. He was warning her and the conversations were tense, but really, what is her deal? She believes that Wendell was the mastermind? No man, there was no mastermind. The foursome should share the credit. The thing about Dom is, from my perception, and plus since he plays poker, is that when he go talk to people, he’s trying to get a read; friend or enemy, is something fishy going on etc. Plus he went out and talked to more people, so I think he played harder than Wendell. Wendell just seems to me like waiting for Laurel or Dom to feed him information. Similarly, for the same reasons, I think Laurel played better than Wendell. She had the option to flip on Dom and Wendell. She was talking to other people. It didn’t work out because Donathan messed up in the end. Anyway, on the subject of acting, can you really punish a player for acting? The tribal where Sebastian was voted out, what Dom did was acting in every sense of the word. He was playing an angle. After the fact, how can you get mad at him. It’s just strategy. But on camp life, if you’re worry about people acting to you, act like your friend, if you’re gonna hold that against them, then it’s like you forbade them from talking. I mean, it’s like Survivor winner Cagayan Sarah said, talk is real, emotion is real, tears is real but when it’s game time, it’s time to get cold hearted. Even if it’s full on acting at camp, can you even punish that? Not saying Dom is a sociopath, but the human emotion element, they brought it up again. So half were like you hurt my emotions so Im voting for Wendell, half were like, Dom played a better game, Im not bitter, you get my vote. Dom was talking a lot to Chelsea, Im surprised she voted for Wendell. Sebastian is just a hippie. Michael is mature and level headed. Kellyn just seems like a typical (some, not all, don’t kill me, feminist) women that gets bitter when voted out and she took it out on Dom. When asked about who approach people more, I think Donathan also put his hands up. Im sad to see that he voted for Dom. Because of the edits, Im left guessing here. Dom’s personality, while some would say brash, even so, brashness is not offensive. So what is all the hurt is about, Kellyn? Sebastian, I understand. Because that’s just who he is. Chelsea, Donathan, Angela, I don’t understand. Hypothetically, if I were Dom, I would ask Angela if she was successful making fire on Ghost island. If not, I could take her to the finals and Laurel and Wendell would do the fire making challenge, knowing full well that Laurel would lose. The pro is that in my eyes, she has more credentials and Angela. The con is that she would vote for Wendell. But then again, Angela also voted for Wendell. What I would say as Dom is to share the credits with Laurel, Wendell and Donathan. Open people’s eyes that there was no mastermind. Give Laurel massive credits for saving their alliance twice. That would diminish the perception that Wendell played as good of a game as it seems. Conversely, the same can be said about Dom, but if Dom’s the one giving praises, that humility would earn some brownie points I think. Give credits to Donathan too. So everybody is sharing the credits, but differentiate your game from Wendell by saying that you went out and talked to people, you played more of the social game than Wendell, you’re getting out there building rapport, making reads and getting information, whilst Wendell was just waiting for Dom to give him the heads-up. Anyway, Im disappointed that Dom lost. I was really 51/49 Dom/Wendell but after the final tribal, I was 100% Dom.

He doesn't have a choice but to find hidden immunity idols or win the individual immunity. Because the strategy for everybody else is to vote him out.

if you can convince others to take you to the final 3, it's probably becuz you're not gonna win. there are exceptions like Woo The vote on wiki is 5-2-1. Wont be a tie.

It's not like she's a mastermind. She was on the backfoot from Ben, Lauren, Ashley and Devon alliance. And Devon wasn't with her until near the end. Devon was the one who told him to be a spy. Gotta give credit to the guy with the plan.

Joe called him king, but that's Joe. Ben feuded with Joe...because it's Joe. Do you understand what I'm saying? Have you seen Joe's game? Ben didn't like Cole but can you blame him. There's a line between honest and be friends with everybody. Depends on what kind of person you wanna be or if you decide to put on a mask on Survivor and keep smiling to everybody you don't like. I can appreciate Ben keeping it real. And you definitely are not keeping it real here. Ben has to find the hidden immunity not because of his social game, as I've said before, but because of something else but I won't repeat myself. I find it funny how people are not offended by obnoxiousness. I don't find it obnoxious. Fine, if you wanna have a fake friend who will talk shit behind your back rather than someone who just says I don't like, we're not gonna hang out.

Man, if I'm a Survivor, just lie to me, it's ok. Tell me how you outplay me, I'll give you a million dollars. But don't tell me you care about me when you don't. I'm not gonna give you a million dollars.

I thought he played well socially. He was stubborn with his pick to go home, but he was with the majority alliance....until that alliance began to think he might win so they want him out, which is not his fault or a fault on his social game.

Ben is "acting out" in one moment or moments. Chrissy is trying to fool people that she genuinely cares about them. In the case of her being smug, I noticed it but I didn't really care about it. I'm apathetic about it in the same way as Ben.

in the end, a BenBomb or any type of bomb is harmless if the entire tribe wants you out. if anything, dropping a bomb gets a pass, not that it needs it, from me at least.

well are you gonna boo him if you're not offended? r u not offended that it is not seen as being smug?

Ben didn't blow up his game. I don't see the Survivors being irked by Chrissy tralalala. If you're talking about the people here, I'm not sure but I don't think the posters here are irked because of that.

you're offended if you think that's obnoxious gloating, if you think that's not necessary, which says that you don't like it. i think it's harmless.

are you talking about on the island or at final tribal? if you're talking about the final tribal, well like I said, he sweet-talked him so he can win his vote. But Chrissy wants to act like she's your friend. What Chrissy was doing is completely different to what Ben was doing. Boys can act cool with each other even if we don't like each other. Ever follow sports? if you're offended by a BenBomb and point that as a bad personality trait, then you're too sensitive.

Oh no, I gotta call you out on something. Chrissy was not on top of every tribal. Friends or not, I don't know what to say. Can friends not vote for you?

I don't think they were nasty to each other. Just a lot of, "well now it's in the open, I'll just openly say that I want you gone."

well, like I said, Ben wasn't phony on the island. He even talked about it with Cole on the island. He might be lying at final tribal, but he was on trial. Chrissy I believe tried to be personable but I don't believe her. That's the thing. She tried to be someone she's not. Ben is just being Ben.