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5 hours ago, Oscirus said:
That's good and all that, but that still doesn't hide the fact that none of Doms votes came from inside his alliance while all of Wendell's did. If you cant get votes from the people who know you the best then that's problematic and no you don't deserve to win if you cant do that.
It's the Russel vs Natalie debate all over again.
It was an alliance of 4 and only Don was on the jury and he thinks Wendell was second in command.
30 minutes ago, Oscirus said:I don't know. Looking at the demographics of this jury, I kind of get the feeling it would have been a win for Wendella in that scenario. Dudes rarely get the win for playing nice. Most of the winners out here tend to be aggressive/ in your face like Dom.
I hear this about Kellyn, but IMO, Michael was more obnoxious in my book. Kellyn and her eye rolling is one thing but when you're openly advocating for someone else down to making the argument for them and interrupting the other contender every time they speak, then it gets ridiculous.
You have to see objectively how Dom played. He wasn't wild like Tony Vlachos or an ass like Russell. Have you seen how he behaved when the Bradley thing went down, how he talked to Chelsea and Kellyn and how he talks to Angela? I think calling him an ass(while may be your opinion) sounds like an excuse, based on the edits.
Again, because of your perception of Dom, you also see Michael in a bad light. I don't remember Michael interrupting anybody. He spoke up always near the end of someone else's point. They have done away with speeches already. It's an open forum now, which means open discussion, talking openly. What about when Dom interjects Wendell and invoked Don to tell the truth? Wendell was telling a moot point, might as well interject yourself.
11 hours ago, Winston9-DT3 said:I don’t think this is necessarily true. If two people align and one comes out with more blood on their hands in the end, that’s not usually better.
It's only blood is you're an asshole.
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5 hours ago, OldWiseOne said:
No one tells them to go vote for who is the best, they go to vote for who they want to win. Also best in this case is subjective - each person has their own definition of who played the best, and votes accordingly. Maybe I define best as "wasn't a jerk to me" or "won lots of challenges" or "worked hard around camp" or whatever. It's not hockey, there is no final score to definitively say this one was best and that one was second. Your opinion is that Dom's game was best, but the merits you base that on are subjective and your opinion.
People can vote for who they want. I get that. It's like their rights. And you can't go against people's rights kind of thing. I'm just dissecting their decisions and merits. If you say he's second in command, then he has the second best resume. He's not as visible out there as Dom. Obviously, they were both save with immunities and idols. So all that's left is to put yourself out there more so you have the better resume. I'm just questioning his logic.
2 hours ago, Oscirus said:Go rewatch, the Kellyn boot when he was running the show and tell me Wendell wasn't doing anything. It says something when the people outside of the alliance/ on the fringe vote differently from the people actually in the alliance. This bitter jury talk is foolish, they have just as much reason to be bitter with Wendell as they do with Dom since they played the exact same game.
Kellyn wasn't a strong alliance to the foursome. She was always looking to make something of her own against the boys. Seb felt Wendell was a brother. Don thought Wendell was second in command. Chelsea...still poker face. Laurel has a deep bond with Wendell. So you're not correct with that assessment.
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10 minutes ago, MissEwa said:
I can't see which part of me you're quoting but my point had nothing to do with you specifically (although I did use your post as an example because it illustrated what I was talking about), but with the way that the 'bitter juror' criticism only ever seems to go one way, when in fact it's very possible that Dom got votes for less than exemplary game-play reasons too. You've said you think Angela doesn't know how to play and therefore we should somewhat discount her vote for Wendell. I'm saying we have zero evidence that Jenna knows the first thing about Survivor so her vote is possibly equally discountable. You clearly think Dom deserved the win and that's absolutely fine - I don't even really disagree. If he had got one more vote, he would have won and I'd have been happy about it because he played well. Wendell also played well and to me, deserved the win more *because he got the votes*.
During the finale Stephen Fishbach tweeted "The #Survivor jury doesn't reward who played the best game. It determines who played the best game." and I think that's true - you need the jury votes to win. It's part of the game. If, for whatever reason, you don't get them then... you didn't play the best game.(Just my opinion, not questioning anyone's judgement, not calling anyone out, just... stating my views.)
I didn't bring up the vote validity argument, you did. Obviously, you should look at the part about Angela and Jenna. I was just talking about merits. I don't discount anybody's' vote. You can't affect how they vote. You can just question their decision. And frankly, Stephen's opinion is shit and stupid.
The statement is sooooo stupid. There's the one who played best. There's the one determined to play the best. The one determined the best was judged as so by the jurors, but they did not played the best, they were only determined so, but as such is the best, but did not played the best........and round and round and round.
It's just a lame way of saying "you played the best but we're gonna give somebody else the money so they are the best, they have superceded you as the best, but you played the best, we just don't wanna vote for you, we decide who's the best and it's not you but you played the best but you're not getting our votes so you are not the official winner so you cannot call yourself the best even though you played better".
You can square with that however you want. What I'm interested in is simply discussing merits. And I say Dom has more merit to winning than Wendell. Dom does more work gameplay wise. Wendell just wanna play nice. Now I won't say playing nice is not gameplay at all. It's totally part of it. But if Dom does more for his alliance and didn't piss people off, then as a fair juror, you should reward Dom over somebody you feel closer to. (Wow, can't believe I said that. I'll admit, I don't know if I could do what I preach). And only Laurel and Seb(and Dom) has a bond with Wendell.
But it doesn't matter because they didn't reward him for playing the best, so the guy that won the money is the official best, right? We don't need to discuss why Dom is not rewarded because Wendell is crowned the best, right?
14 minutes ago, PreBabylonia said:Why wasn't Chris the loose cannon? He went after Dom first. Is it because of his vindictive attitude makes him seem like the victim and Dom's like "I'm gonna get this guy" makes him looks like a loose cannon? Dom's just has more fiery new yorker attitude.
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23 minutes ago, Coco88 said:
From what I saw and came out it was Dom and Wendell were both each other’s meatshield. That’s why they were in an alliance. They both knew if one was gone, the other was in extreme danger.
In the episode where Angela win Immunity, both Dom and Wendell are in danger and who does Michael want to target? Wendell. And he says he wants this because Dom is powerless and it’s important to get the biggest threat out.
I’m pretty sure Kellyn and Sebastian both thought Dom was an ass.
Wendell’s two Immunity wins, finding an Idol, having better Jury management, being great at camp life are plenty fine reasons to vote for him. Letting Dom be louder than him wouldn’t win me my vote.
Did he really say or think Dom is powerless? Or did he meant would be? Also, does he really even believe that when he voted for Dom. First of all, we don't even know what's Kellyn's problem with Dom is. She even shushed him. In the episodes, they were fine. He was the one to warn her they were plotting against her. Seb's just too immature over Dom's act at tribal. Dom was not just loud. You're saying loud like it's without substance. But in the episodes, he was shown to be the one talking to people whilst Wendell hide behind him. He was the one seen talking to Chelsea, Kellyn, others. He brought over Laurel and Donathan. He was never offensive.
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Obviously, Wendell tried to be the good guy. He'll enthusiastically debate rap music with Des but she doesn't care. But he'll do chores with Seb so Seb gives him the vote. For me, survivor gameplay is mostly black and white. I'll leave the emotions out the door...mostly. I'll reward the best player.....as long as they are not ass. I don't think Dom is an ass. That satisfy my whole criteria. Best player + not ass. That's a win for me. Wendell is second best but nicer. But when I say not ass, that could mean nice as well. Just not as nice as Wendell.
Tony Vlachos was super crazy, was he ass? I find him super entertaining. Especially his llama talk to Kass. I just want you to be the best player and not be ass. If you're nicer to me or wanna discuss rap with me, that's cool. Unless you're total ass, I will leave my emotions out the door when I vote.
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20 minutes ago, MissEwa said:
You didn't really compare Angela and Jenna, you just questioned my judgement. Angela doesn't know how to play because she spilled the beans to Dom. Before that, she was always strung along by other people. I'm surprised the bottoms never voted together, but at least Don and Seb were going after it more than Angela. But Jenna was shut out by everybody, just like Michael. Maybe her social game wasn't strong enough so she finds herself on an island, but at least she wasn't strung along. Actually, you could swap Jenna for Angela but that's hypothetical. But just because Jenna didn't get the chance to play her game doesn't mean her vote is not valid. Angela's vote is for me because she gets to play but didn't.
Wendell was targetted once. After that, Dom was the main target. Because Wendell was winning immunity. But like Laurel said, you don't want your game to depend on winning immunity. So Dom was targetted more times. He still gets fewer votes total because Laurel decides to stick with them, but make no mistake, Dom was in danger, especially that Seb vote and that final immunity challenge. While you don't want your game to depend on immunity, it's still nice to win them. The one that matters most to me would be the final immunity.
So, yea. Dom was really the meat shield for Wendell. Dom was first in command. I think he was the target in that one time but he won immunity so they target Wendell, but I'm not sure. And sure, conversely, when Wendell won, they target Dom. But Wendell was hiding behind Dom's social game so Dom was the meatshield.
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I looked into the interviews. Seb said Dom called Don names. But I'm second guessing his account. Why would Dom be that stupid? Sometimes, when my dad criticized my mom, mom would say dad scolded her. I'll ask her word for word what did he say. Every time, she exaggerates things. It could be the same with Seb. I can't see Dom being that stupid. But if Seb feels he has a bond with Wendell, then that's fine.
And Don said Wendell was the second in command. And he wanted to play like Wendell. So he voted for Wendell. But there's a fallacy to that kind of thinking. If you're second in command, then you're not the best.
There’s also this angle to look at. At the final, Michael, Chris and Des were like, “what moves you make, own it, I'm not hurt or bitter”. Kellyn has the sour look always. So she’s “feeling”, right? You’ve seen this before the final as well. I was always guessing what that bad look is for pre-final. The people that voted for Dom were championing gameplay. When they questioned Wendell’s gameplay, he spoke poorly.
Kellyn and Sebastian were bitter. Angela has no clue but got beat by Wendell in the fire challenge. Chelsea is a mystery. (Donathan, I am seriously wondering whether he mistakenly voted the wrong way.) this was written before i read the interviews.
All this lends to the perception that Dom played the stronger game.
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1 minute ago, Coco88 said:
I think Wendell played the stronger game because he knew what the the majority of the Jury (I’m considering Laurel part of the Jury) would appreciate better. Michael and Dom’s other voters obviously preferred Dom’s flashy, dick swinging moves better but the majority of the Jury did not.
Where did you get that Dom was flashy or dick swinging? I didn't see any of that. Dom was the one talking to most people, doing the work, whilst Wendell just sat back and relied on his alliance. Dom's game was stronger. But Kellyn seemed to has it out for Dom at the final for some reason. She's bitter. Sebastian's bitter. Chelsea has a poker face because of the edits, but in the episodes, Dom was working with her. Dom's was the one warning Kellyn. Dom fooled Sebastian at tribal. Wendell has an antagonistic relationship with Donathan towards the end, Im guessing whether he mistakenly voted the wrong way. Angela...maybe she voted for Wendell because he beat her at the fire challenge and she was in the military so it's like best man win kinda thing. But the girl is clueless about the game. She doesn't know how to play at all. They wanna blindside Dom and she spills the bean? Aren't the underdog supposed to stick together? Especially when they have the numbers for a while but they just wouldn't or couldn't make the move. We never see Wendell working the social game outside of his own alliance post-merge. Based on the edits, Dom's game was stronger.
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I feel like ratings are dropping because there are fewer episodes this season I think.
I don't like the show tribe swapping twice. Once is enough. In Survivor 2 Australia, I think is the season with Colby. Back then, 40 minutes of the show would be about them surviving the wild. Then around season 20, you have the dominant alliance steamrolling to the finish. Every time I think about this, I think of Boston Rob's winning season. So on the scale, in the beginning, it was "theoretically" 0% luck and now the show wants to spice things up for the viewers which introduce more of the element of luck, so the scale is tipping more to luck in terms of gimmicks such as tribe swaps (I think it used to be once) and the ghost island.
It's their show and they can spice it up any way they want if they think it does. But you have to balance between giving the element of luck against punishing them due to luck.
About Ghost Island, it is so stupid. I don't understand why they break the urn in succession. I thought they could break it in any order. And then, they don't even work for the advantage, it's just a random draw. At least make it a treasure hunt or a quest or a puzzle or a trial or a clue that pertains to the main island. The show just wants to straight up give people advantages to make it exciting for the viewers, which I feel is only 50/50 effective.
I really like the Aussie edits. I think there were a couple of 2 hr eps and a 3 eps stretch where there's only 1 eviction. They show more of the interpersonal relationships and dynamics and strategy. Part of the reason the Ghost Island doesn't really appeal to me is because of the U.S. edits. They make it harder to care about it anymore season after season. They always misdirect and doesn't really show more of the relationships that help us understand the voting.
Colby and Tina were a final 2. Woo and Tony were a final 2. Sarah's one was a final 3. And iirc, all of those finals the finalist eliminated the other person. There was no fire challenge. If you win the final immunity, you were rewarded with the final decision. Wendell couldn't get kick out because of it. I think that's unfair.
I know the U.S. edits leaves out a lot of things, so when more people said Dom talked to them than Wendell, I'm gonna take that as my benchmark.
First off, Sebastian is a hippie that is bitter about getting one-upped by Dom.
Kellyn always put on a bad face on the jury. Now I guess that’s towards Dom.
To me, Laurel and Dom played a better game than Wendell. I hate PC culture and SJW and not a feminist but not a sexist, but I think (I definitely know) that the boys were seen as the ones to beat because they were men. Socially, perception is reality; that I think is very true. But Laurel and Donathan needs to have a bit more self-believe.
Doms war against Chris put him and Wendell on the map. But then they were just became figureheads a little bit; figureheads with no power in a sense. Because Laurel saved the boys twice I think. She and Don were the spies, listening to the other group about trying to take out the boys. In those tribals, she could take a bigger credit than the boys. You just need to have the confidence to talk it up in the finals.
The boys need her, but she needed them too, to an extent. The boys still played great. They were the ones they tried to take out and they won the immunity challenges and have idols to back them up. And obviously, Angela doesn’t know how to play the game and helped Dom instead of gunning for him.
Donathan has a chance but he just blurted out that he’s against the boys instead of keeping his intentions hidden. If the perception is the boys are ahead and Laurel and Donathan are behind, then all you need is blindside one of the boys, then you and Laurel would be on top, and the lone boy left (Dom or Wendell) would be seen as powerless now (perception). And then Donathan could argue he played better than Laurel because he’s more active on kicking out Dom and Wendell. His mistake is just blurting out his intentions. He was so paranoid for 2 tribals, convinced that they were gonna vote him out.
On the foursome as a whole, there was no mastermind. Every tribal they win, they all share credit. Laurel could argue she has a bigger share. Donathan could argue he played the best if he managed to oust the Dom/Wendell alliance. But I think Laurel and Donathan just didn’t have enough confidence in their own games, and they didn’t think of my arguments which I think have merits.
Edit wise, we definitely see more of Dom talking to Kellyn and Chelsea. Plus what happened at final tribal, my perception is that Dom does more of the work, then he tells Wendell and then they decide.
We have people like Michael and Chris (surprisingly) that holds no hard feelings about your strategy. Then we have people like Sebastian and Kellyn. Sebastian is just a hippie. But Kellyn, I don’t know why she seems angry at Dom. She called him paranoid when he was warning her that the girls were planning to vote her out, back when they were working together. He was warning her and the conversations were tense, but really, what is her deal? She believes that Wendell was the mastermind? No man, there was no mastermind. The foursome should share the credit.
The thing about Dom is, from my perception, and plus since he plays poker, is that when he go talk to people, he’s trying to get a read; friend or enemy, is something fishy going on etc. Plus he went out and talked to more people, so I think he played harder than Wendell. Wendell just seems to me like waiting for Laurel or Dom to feed him information.
Similarly, for the same reasons, I think Laurel played better than Wendell. She had the option to flip on Dom and Wendell. She was talking to other people. It didn’t work out because Donathan messed up in the end.
Anyway, on the subject of acting, can you really punish a player for acting? The tribal where Sebastian was voted out, what Dom did was acting in every sense of the word. He was playing an angle. After the fact, how can you get mad at him. It’s just strategy.
But on camp life, if you’re worry about people acting to you, act like your friend, if you’re gonna hold that against them, then it’s like you forbade them from talking. I mean, it’s like Survivor winner Cagayan Sarah said, talk is real, emotion is real, tears is real but when it’s game time, it’s time to get cold hearted.
Even if it’s full on acting at camp, can you even punish that? Not saying Dom is a sociopath, but the human emotion element, they brought it up again. So half were like you hurt my emotions so Im voting for Wendell, half were like, Dom played a better game, Im not bitter, you get my vote.
Dom was talking a lot to Chelsea, Im surprised she voted for Wendell. Sebastian is just a hippie. Michael is mature and level headed. Kellyn just seems like a typical (some, not all, don’t kill me, feminist) women that gets bitter when voted out and she took it out on Dom.
When asked about who approach people more, I think Donathan also put his hands up. Im sad to see that he voted for Dom. Because of the edits, Im left guessing here. Dom’s personality, while some would say brash, even so, brashness is not offensive. So what is all the hurt is about, Kellyn? Sebastian, I understand. Because that’s just who he is. Chelsea, Donathan, Angela, I don’t understand.
Hypothetically, if I were Dom, I would ask Angela if she was successful making fire on Ghost island. If not, I could take her to the finals and Laurel and Wendell would do the fire making challenge, knowing full well that Laurel would lose. The pro is that in my eyes, she has more credentials and Angela. The con is that she would vote for Wendell. But then again, Angela also voted for Wendell.
What I would say as Dom is to share the credits with Laurel, Wendell and Donathan. Open people’s eyes that there was no mastermind. Give Laurel massive credits for saving their alliance twice. That would diminish the perception that Wendell played as good of a game as it seems. Conversely, the same can be said about Dom, but if Dom’s the one giving praises, that humility would earn some brownie points I think. Give credits to Donathan too. So everybody is sharing the credits, but differentiate your game from Wendell by saying that you went out and talked to people, you played more of the social game than Wendell, you’re getting out there building rapport, making reads and getting information, whilst Wendell was just waiting for Dom to give him the heads-up.
Anyway, Im disappointed that Dom lost. I was really 51/49 Dom/Wendell but after the final tribal, I was 100% Dom.
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1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:
Didn't Probst say at the reunion for season 34 that in case of a tie at FTC the person in the F3 that was not part of the tie would place the deciding vote? I thought he talked about it at last season's reunion and that's why the internet was convinced there'd be a tie this season.
I've decided that I'm not that mad about Ben winning anymore. I mean I still think Chrissy played the better game, but she sucked too so whatever. But I feel like Ben's win legitimizes 'finding HIIs' as a strategy and I really hate that. I also still hate the twist of the F3 being determined by a fire-making challenge simply because challenge ability and being able to make a fire aren't important to me in a Survivor player.
But I have to just accept it or stop watching, which I won't do lol. I'll just keep watching and complaining!
He doesn't have a choice but to find hidden immunity idols or win the individual immunity. Because the strategy for everybody else is to vote him out.
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3 minutes ago, ljenkins782 said:
It also happened in Exile Island, but both of those were due to tied votes, not a newly announced "twist." The way the fire-making challenge went down in Exile Island flies in the face of Probst's claim that they introduced this twist because he was tired of seeing someone play a great game and go out 4th. Cirie was the underdog hero of that season who played an amazing game to get to 4th and fire took her out.
It just doesn't make sense to remove one crucial element of the game (convincing people to keep you) by making it a could-go-either-way fire challenge. Devon clearly had experience with fire-making, he was shown easily starting fire earlier in the episode, but it just didn't happen for him at the challenge.
if you can convince others to take you to the final 3, it's probably becuz you're not gonna win. there are exceptions like Woo
8 minutes ago, Rachel RSL said:I asked this earlier but I haven't seen a response yet and I really do want to know. If that final vote had been for Chrissy, it would have ended up in a tie, what would they have done?
The vote on wiki is 5-2-1. Wont be a tie.
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14 minutes ago, NeverLate said:
Chrissy had Ryan and Devon do her dirty work.
It's not like she's a mastermind. She was on the backfoot from Ben, Lauren, Ashley and Devon alliance. And Devon wasn't with her until near the end.
47 minutes ago, amazingracefan said:Alliances are normally pretty set by the end unless you've got someone like Woo who can easily be persuaded.
Ben was in the position in which he could play both sides and so be fooling one side, that's all down to his game.
Devon was the one who told him to be a spy. Gotta give credit to the guy with the plan.
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1 minute ago, ProfCrash said:
People who are playing a good social game are not referred to as the dictator or king. People who are playing a good social game do not get into feuds with multiple people in their tribe. Ben had flat out feuds with Cole and Joe. People who are playing a good social game do not need to find how many hidden immunity idols in a row to stay in the game. Ben's over the top behavior at tribal was not good social game play, it was meant to be obnoxious and out of control.
Not Sandra (grins)
1Joe called him king, but that's Joe. Ben feuded with Joe...because it's Joe. Do you understand what I'm saying? Have you seen Joe's game? Ben didn't like Cole but can you blame him. There's a line between honest and be friends with everybody. Depends on what kind of person you wanna be or if you decide to put on a mask on Survivor and keep smiling to everybody you don't like. I can appreciate Ben keeping it real.
And you definitely are not keeping it real here. Ben has to find the hidden immunity not because of his social game, as I've said before, but because of something else but I won't repeat myself.
I find it funny how people are not offended by obnoxiousness. I don't find it obnoxious.
Just now, double-elvis said:Lying is lying.
Fine, if you wanna have a fake friend who will talk shit behind your back rather than someone who just says I don't like, we're not gonna hang out.
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Just now, double-elvis said:
But...it's a game...and part of the game is trying to convince people to vote for you. And many past contestants have used the same strategy Chrissy has.
Man, if I'm a Survivor, just lie to me, it's ok. Tell me how you outplay me, I'll give you a million dollars. But don't tell me you care about me when you don't. I'm not gonna give you a million dollars.
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3 minutes ago, ProfCrash said:
I think most people have hated on Ben for his crappy social game. I have actually read most of the Chrissy/Ben discussion and thought that the posters on the board were holding both to the same standard. I thought that Ben had a ton of people who hated this game and there were a good number of folks who dreaded a Ben or Chrissy win. I think both Ben and Chrissy were roasted for their social game by the Jury. Honestly, Desi flat out called both of them out for their crap social game. I have no problem with that.
I had to laugh, Ryan said in his Rob Has a Podcast interview that Desi told Ryan he had no chance of winning in her first statement and Ryan knew that he was out of the running.
I thought he played well socially. He was stubborn with his pick to go home, but he was with the majority alliance....until that alliance began to think he might win so they want him out, which is not his fault or a fault on his social game.
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Just now, Rachel RSL said:
Nobody is offended by Ben's showboating, people are just acknowledging the fact that it's obnoxious. There is a difference. Again though, the point that's being missed here is that Ben gets away with being smug/gloating but Chrissy gets called out for the same things (or less).
Ben is "acting out" in one moment or moments. Chrissy is trying to fool people that she genuinely cares about them. In the case of her being smug, I noticed it but I didn't really care about it. I'm apathetic about it in the same way as Ben.
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in the end, a BenBomb or any type of bomb is harmless if the entire tribe wants you out. if anything, dropping a bomb gets a pass, not that it needs it, from me at least.
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1 minute ago, Daisy said:
you can not like something, and not be offended by it.
and. quite frankly, even if I were. (which I am not), and you think i'm too sensitive. (which whatever, I don't see the problem with that is).
the point that is being missed - is that Chrissy got slammed from like day 3 for being smug. Gloating that you have a HII, making explosion noises, and declaring "i'm not going home" can be seen as smug - and no one said boo. Goose. Gander. it should be equally applied.well are you gonna boo him if you're not offended? r u not offended that it is not seen as being smug?
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5 minutes ago, Daisy said:
I wasn't offended. i didn't think they were necessary but i don't ever mind a tralalalaa i'm safe. (why he needed to be safe was due to he blew up his game)
But people got irked when Chrissy was tralalaa I'm safe or tralalala my alliance is safe and chalked that as being smug. why is it bad for Chrissy but decent for Ben?Ben didn't blow up his game. I don't see the Survivors being irked by Chrissy tralalala. If you're talking about the people here, I'm not sure but I don't think the posters here are irked because of that.
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1 minute ago, Rachel RSL said:
Pretty sure @Daisy never said that she was offended, just that it wasn't necessary. And it wasn't. Making explosion noises and carrying on like you're the greatest is simply obnoxious gloating and I strongly suspect that Chrissy would have been crucified if she'd behaved the same way.
you're offended if you think that's obnoxious gloating, if you think that's not necessary, which says that you don't like it. i think it's harmless.
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18 minutes ago, Special K said:
Actually, in his TH, he did say that he was only humoring Cole when they had that discussion and he still didn't care for him.
Honestly, I think Chrissy, as a woman, was held to a higher standard for "niceness" or personability than Ben was. Both in the game and on some of the board discussion. Like it's OK for Ben to be arrogant, petty, mean-spirited, and not bond with people since he played a good hard game. But Chrissy needed to both play a good hard game AND be everyone's (genuine) BFF and/or Mom figure. Stinks.
are you talking about on the island or at final tribal? if you're talking about the final tribal, well like I said, he sweet-talked him so he can win his vote. But Chrissy wants to act like she's your friend. What Chrissy was doing is completely different to what Ben was doing. Boys can act cool with each other even if we don't like each other. Ever follow sports?
15 minutes ago, Daisy said:that's how I see it.
i mean - I hate my people, and I i like my people for a myriad of reasons, but I don't understand why Chrissy. is hated for being smug, or arrogant etc, where Ben basically did the entire thing, including #BenBombs which weren't necessary (imo) and that's fine. there were a lot of things Chrissy said (or Ryan said) during the finale that people had an issue with. and I just found them funny, because imo. at that point of the game I could see myself saying it because I'd be so over it. (which is probably why I'd A: never be on the show for that long, or B: not win).
There were moments about her game where I thought she was like. .... not seeing the forest for the trees in regards to her behaviour but i find most players tend to have those moments. I don't understand the Chrissy hate (for a lot of the reasons why people say) but i mean i respect it coz we all have whom we like. but this one really makes me go hmm.if you're offended by a BenBomb and point that as a bad personality trait, then you're too sensitive.
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1 minute ago, Jeanne222 said:
Seventeen years of watching survivor and last night I was disappointed.
Jeff's talk about last year WE had transgender and this year PTSD.
That is never what this show has been about! It's been about surviving.
Chrissy should have won. She played the hardest. A 47 year old woman won the most contests and left with the most friends. She was able to convince the most people every tribal counsel.
I'll never believe Ben found all those idol necklaces fair and square. No way!
Who knew Ben could whip up a fire so fast? Devin made most of the campfire fires!
Survivor let me down this season!
Oh no, I gotta call you out on something. Chrissy was not on top of every tribal. Friends or not, I don't know what to say. Can friends not vote for you?
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3 minutes ago, ItsJessMe said:
This!!! I never understood why Devon, Ashley and Lauren were so nasty towards Ben when he tried to get them out when they had just been trying to do the same to him. They were plotting against them, he responded, and then they got all mad at him for breaking the alliance. Huh??
I don't think they were nasty to each other. Just a lot of, "well now it's in the open, I'll just openly say that I want you gone."
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12 minutes ago, seltzer3 said:
Both. At FTC, he claimed it was for strategic reasons. Which it clearly wasn't. A lot of things Ben did was incredibly petty. One was where he wanted make a fake idol for Chrissy, because it would be hilarious. Lauren stated in her ponderosa video, how essentially their alliance had to talk Ben out of it. I'm not saying Chrissy was all that great (I do tolerate her more, because I understand her field more, and her quirks are something that people can see as very arrogant or fake). I just feel like Ben gets a total pass for his behavior.
well, like I said, Ben wasn't phony on the island. He even talked about it with Cole on the island. He might be lying at final tribal, but he was on trial. Chrissy I believe tried to be personable but I don't believe her. That's the thing. She tried to be someone she's not. Ben is just being Ben.
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S36.E15: Live Reunion Show
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On a different topic, I agree that if either Dom or Wendell were female, they would have lost. It's the deep-rooted patriarchy society that causes these perceptions. I've said before that even Laurel played better than Wendell. Even Don had a chance to win. I know I can be objective. I can look at myself. But then again, it's all opinions on a game that is about social.