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I believe her; I just think the endless obsession with "purity" is creepy and overdone. I was homeschooled and was very sheltered (and not just a virgin, but had never even been near a guy on my own) until college. Jill's parents appeared to be quite strict and her upbringing was likely the same.

I wonder if Amy (and Jill, I'm sure) will ever realize that being anti-vaccine can harm people beyond those denied the vaccines. Amy's unvaccinated kids will most likely bounce back from the flu with no problem, but because she's in a high risk category, she may not. I had a crush on my 30-something Sunday school teacher when I was 12. That's actually quite normal. What would be beyond creepy is if he had shown interest in me. And David staring at Jill when she was 14 is definitely in the creepy category. Actually, staring at anyone of any age is not acceptable. You think she hasn't been hoping for another baby as soon as she gave birth to the last one?? She has to be frantic by now. Not much time left to either be "showing" or to make a precious announcement at Nurie's wedding -- which, we can now assume, will likely go ahead no matter how bad things are with COVID-19.

I'm guessing Amy isn't thrilled, based on the fact that, after Jill posting nonstop videos and updates on Amy, she had a post saying that Amy and family had asked her to stop. It may have been phrased slightly less bluntly, but that was basically it. I doubt they'll postpone the wedding. They'll be heartbroken if laws and/or people's own choice mean that basically nobody comes, but it's already a long engagement by fundy standards. The Duggars always say creepy things about how they have short engagements because it's too hard for the couple to wait. You know Jill was already going to go live on Facebook with the wedding anyway.

Someone's probably already posted Nurie and Nathan's wedding registry, but I don't have time to go back and read all the pages I've missed after not having been here most of a week! https://registry.theknot.com/nurie-rodrigues-nathan-keller-july-2020/39538197

Oh, I think he does. I know his type. The more obsessed you are with doctrine, and MacArthur Calvinists are very obsessed with it, the more smug you are that you are one of the very few chosen ones with all the right beliefs. He truly does believe Catholics are bound for hell, along with most of the world.

Reformed Presbyterians (the church I grew up in and what MacArthur is) very much believe in the absolutely literal interpretation of the bible, though. The motto of the RP church is "Sola Scriptura," only Scripture. King James only is quirky, but so is rejecting instruments like my church because they aren't mentioned in the New Testament. Looks really aren't everything, though. I can't imagine deciding whether or not to marry someone based on their looks. He looks fine. I'm much more concerned with how young they are.

I see him as so completely devoted to Abbie that he realizes her well-being is the most important thing. She had to go to the ER multiple times with hyperemesis gravidarum and I cannot imagine him ruling with an iron fist, telling her she absolutely had to have unlimited kids and be deathly ill each time. I think if she told him she could never go through with it again, he'd accept it. I don't think there's any doubt that Austin is the most conservative of any of them. They consider their family camp to be full time ministry, so that would be his answer to the fact that he hasn't gone overseas.

The contrast between the women in his law class and Jill must be stark. I feel badly for her because that's not her fault. I am quite biased against homeschooling because my parents were lazy and did nothing except buy textbooks and ignore the fact that being pulled out of public school made us miserable and depressed. So I'm thrilled that they're sending their kids to actual school. I am fascinated by the rift and hope to hear more about it.

I guess we just have different interpretations of what fundamentalist means. I've always thought, and have seen definitions to back it up, that it simply means a rejection of theology that takes a less than literal approach to biblical interpretation. Fundamentalists believe the entire bible was inspired by god and should be literally interpreted and its rules followed today. Calvinist Presbyterians and conservative Baptists all completely agree on this. I grew up under MacArthur Calvinism, so I'm very familiar with it. The whole predestination thing is different from what Baptists believe, but that's about it. Calvinists still believe Christians are supposed to evangelize and try to lead others to accept Christ to avoid hellfire. This is interesting and I value your opinion! I'm actually fascinated because it never occurred to me that anyone would question whether my former denomination was fundie or not.

A divorced woman, who clearly has rejected the rules she grew up with, wearing a decidedly low cut and revealing wedding dress? The Rods wouldn't want to get anywhere near that, although it sounds like it's also true that it was a small affair. I'm glad the Kellers still attended though.

In what world is Jer not a fundie??? The only thing he has that the Rods don't is a bit of class and world experience from having attended college. He's fundie to the core, make no mistake. It's refreshing that he doesn't buy into the anti birth control, pants are evil views, but look up John MacArthur, the pastor who founded the seminary Jeremy attends. Jeremy and Jinger solidly believe in wifely submission, that all are going to hell except those who accept Christ, that homosexuality and feminism are sins, and that women's bodily autonomy when it comes to reproductive rights is nonexistent. They more than qualify as fundies. People seem to focus too much on the fact that Jinger now wears pants.

To be fair to Stevehovah, this isn't true. They decided Pepsi (regular, actually, not diet, my guilty pleasure as well) was coming between Terri and Jesus, and that she needed to sacrificially give it up. They didn't in any way at all connect it to her depression. They even went so far as to admit that it was worse after she gave birth and that they knew hormones were out of whack, but still didn't want to interfere with God's plan by using medication. I'm linking both blogs below: https://articles.titus2.com/nothing-between/ https://articles.titus2.com/a-journey-through-depression/

Statistics say about 30 percent of moms are stay-at-home, far fewer than in the 70s, but there are still plenty. Oh, yes. I was a victim of apathetic homeschooling. My parents basically bought the textbooks and that was it. We also did all the housework. We were expected to have the maturity and ability to teach ourselves. Thankfully, we were naturally gifted or it would have been a disaster, but I still entered college basically knowing nothing about science.

Thanks for the clarification. So basically, Erin was trying to appease her social media fans with the statement, which was technically true, but didn't tell the full story.

Not that it matters, but I think Brandon and Kelton are pretty strange looking. Actually, so is John, Alyssa's husband. Chad and Evan are both cute. If I had to have a fundie husband, Chad does seem like he genuinely adores Erin (and is quite handy with projects, to boot.) At least they made the public statement that they no longer support Gothard. That's something.

By that standard, I'm sure the numbers are 99.99%! My feelings about porn are complicated. I think it's fine and have even watched it. At the same time, not all porn is created equal. That much of it is quite violent and dehumanizes women is a real concern. I believe Timothy and Nuri write their "guest posts," after being coached heavily by Jill that God is leading them to do so. Part of my job as a copy editor is recognizing different "voices" in writing styles. Everyone has a unique one. Either Jill is quite gifted at changing her normal style, or, more likely, her adult children are brainwashed robots happy to "minister" by writing little sermons like this.

Actually, she was saying it looks like Jill DIDN'T write the post because there wasn't tons of capitalization. We'll have to agree to disagree. To me, it's obvious Nurie wrote it because it sounds just like who she is: A brainwashed robot who has been trained to do nothing but praise Jesus and her parents nonstop, hoping all the while that she's good and godly enough.

Well, not Klan level racist, but probably somewhat. Gothard and his friends subscribe to the revisionist history view of the Civil War, glorifying the Confederacy and glossing over what it was really about. I've always assumed that attending the seminars was just too expensive for the Rods. But yes, virtually all their views line up with Gothard's. I hope they don't subscribe to his truly chilling views on things like cancer being caused by wives not being submissive, but then again, I'm not sure even all of his diehard supporters buy into that. I hope not, anyway. Oh, I don't doubt for a second that Nurie wrote it. She's Jill's favorite and truly believes her mom walks on water. Too bad the Kool-Aid she drinks isn't the real kind, or she wouldn't be underweight at all! Out of curiosity, why don't you think Nurie wrote it when we have seen her on video many times talking just like this and endlessly praising her parents?

Yup, I blew it and should have known better, as when I was growing up, the PCUSA was held up as this horrible, evil church and an example of "what happens when churches get too liberal and don't follow the bible." LOL! The RPCNA in which I grew up is doctrinally just like the PCA, but the RPCNA also believes in singing exclusively Psalms, a capella. My point about missionaries still stands, though. Many churches do sponsor missionaries and I don't see how the Rods could put even their meager meals on the table and pay the bills without sponsorship of some kind.

I meant to say PCUSA -- and there is a HUGE difference there, yes. I was sleepy and shouldn't have made that mistake, as the Reformed Presbyterian Church I grew up in was almost identical to the PCA.

It's nuts. Most of the time, by most people's standards, pants are actually more "modest" than skirts unless you're comparing skin tight pants with a skirt to your ankles. As for Daniel at the laundromat (it drives me nuts when she says laundry mat), there are actually vulnerable, lonely people out there who buy into the "I'm saved" doctrine after someone like Jill "witnesses." So as far as that goes, it may be that she's created a new fundie person. I've seen it happen, back in my tract-giving childhood.

Well, darn. Here's the website from the tract I was given and it looks like it's someone else with a "printing ministry." As seen here, they charge $35 for batches of 500 smiley face tracts. http://www.smilefacetract.com/track-orders?category=Batch+Order They'd better hope they remember/can afford to get the septic tank emptied far more often than recommended, then. I had neighbors whose tank overflowed and it was horrible. (But the Rods kind of deserve it, LOL.)

I grew up in a very Evangelical/fundy church, Reformed Presbyterian (not to be confused with the mainstream Presbyterian Church of America) and it directly sponsors missionaries, but I'm sure many churches do it differently.

I imagine it's mostly shipping to churches across the country. I was approached by a young boy and girl (in a long skirt) in the grocery store the other day. They said "Can we give you a smile?" and gave me a little tract with a yellow smiley face on the cover. I know David prints smiley face tracts and I couldn't help but wondering if this was one of them! And of course I felt sad for the kids. I live near HSLDA headquarters and babysat for one of its lawyers. They have made it easy to bypass any regulations by claiming religious freedom. I'm guessing she doesn't publicize the likely fact that they're given a salary for being "missionaries" through an organization because it might hamper their grifting efforts.

I've noticed NotNurie seems to wear baseball style hats full time now. I hope it's just to save time and avoid gallons of hairspray teasing her bangs, and not hiding bruises or anything.