S05.E02: Chapter Eighty-Three

[thelegacies87]

I don't want Jason to not be Michael at this point. That would feel so cheap. But so far, having Jason back to only make Jane say, "Even if he did become Michael, I'd dump him for Rafael" is also pretty cheap(and like super cruel)...so there is no winning. Even if Michael gets back his memory, and decides to walk away, it isn't winning. I guess the winning would be for them stop trying to make Jason, so  "anti" everything Michael was, and more of a fully realized character. Given it's Gina and Brett, they've got great chemistry so just let them find some perfect, tragic tale to tell  where they part sadly instead of this kinda repulsive one which makes everyone look terrible.

The crap thing is, even as a MIchael fan, I was all for Jane and Raf before this...

[BAH]

I think MichAel will be sacrificed in some way.   If he leaves/dies a hero, I can be sort of satisfied. If he just decides to walk away out of selflessness or whatever, I don’t know if I could.  Would feel cheap/cruel to me.  I, too, accepted Jafael, albeit slowly and begrudgingly, before this turn of events.  Dier keeps telling people to “enjoy the show” on Twitter, so I am gonna try!  

[thelegacies87]

I'm trying too. And I 100% will keep watching...but part of me is thinking, "Well maybe i'll wait until it's out on Netflix"....I don' know. Hearing Jane and Rafael hope Michael doesn't get his memory back so their relationship doesn't get ruined is, like...villain worthy, you know? Like replace relationship getting ruined with a "deep dark secret" telenovela style...They'd be the villains...

So Jane, who loved and married Michael, would rather he remain Jason so she could be Raf. Forget that Michael is his own person outside of Jane. Forget he has a family and friends. That he dreamed. All that should remain dead because Jane and Raf want to be together?  Jane's afraid her husband will come back because it will complicate her love life, but what about Michael's poor mom? His dad? His best friend who's still working the case Michael built, in honor of Michael. At the end of the day, Jane and Raf can only think, "But our love!"

Honestly, at this point, if Michael does get his memory back, I hope he doesn't get back with Jane because it just won't feel right. The fact that Jane even had these thoughts means she really is just about "the moment of love"...Not eternal undying love(or she'd want to be with Michael), or selfless love(or she'd want 100%, with all her might, want Michael's memories to return and not feel obligated and guilty). 

[natyxg]

2 hours ago, BAH said:

I think MichAel will be sacrificed in some way.   If he leaves/dies a hero, I can be sort of satisfied. If he just decides to walk away out of selflessness or whatever, I don’t know if I could.  Would feel cheap/cruel to me.  I, too, accepted Jafael, albeit slowly and begrudgingly, before this turn of events.  Dier keeps telling people to “enjoy the show” on Twitter, so I am gonna try!  

I keep remembering what the narrator said about how Michael loved Jane until is last breath (or something like that), but then I think that they wouldn't kill him again, right? That would be too much.

[BAH]

41 minutes ago, thelegacies87 said:

Hearing Jane and Rafael hope Michael doesn't get his memory back so their relationship doesn't get ruined is, like...villain worthy, you know? 

Honestly, at this point, if Michael does get his memory back, I hope he doesn't get back with Jane because it just won't feel right. The fact that Jane even had these thoughts means she really is just about "the moment of love"...Not eternal undying love(or she'd want to be with Michael), or selfless love(or she'd want 100%, with all her might, want Michael's memories to return and not feel obligated and guilty). 

I remember reading somewhere Jennie saying that as people mature, they make different choices than they would have in the past.  Which I read to possibly mean, Jane may have chosen Michael in the past, but wouldn’t in the present.  And I get that; it does seem like the more “adult” decision given where she, Rafael, and Mateo are.  It would cause too much upheaval to the child, especially.  Yet she will continue to feel conflicted about it; she’s not a total selfish asshole. 

What I am looking forward to is Michael, or Jason, getting back on the Sin Rostro case and trying to figure out what that number means.  As someone pointed out, Jason’s interest in NCIS are the remnants of the “Michael inside”...And, that scene with Rose vehemently reacting to the number seemed an obvious tip off to its significance.  

Oh, and I hate Michael’s  bitchy Mom, so I feel little sympathy for her.  The Dad wasn’t a Jane fan, either, so they can both suffer a bit longer as far as I’m concerned.  The actress who plays the Mom was a total mean girl in 80s movies, and I can’t shake that association, lol. 

[thelegacies87]

3 hours ago, BAH said:

I remember reading somewhere Jennie saying that as people mature, they make different choices than they would have in the past.  Which I read to possibly mean, Jane may have chosen Michael in the past, but wouldn’t in the present.  And I get that; it does seem like the more “adult” decision given where she, Rafael, and Mateo are.  It would cause too much upheaval to the child, especially.  Yet she will continue to feel conflicted about it; she’s not a total selfish asshole. 

Well my point is, away from "THE RELATIONSHIP" and the "TRIANGLE", Jane is being a total selfish a-hole. Of course in the years since Michael Jane might want something different(though, IMO, she hasn't changed all that much), which should be hard on her but not once has she talked abut Michael as a PERSON, and not as detriment to her relationship, or an upheaval to her life. I don't know.

The fact that she doesn't want Michael's memories to return means she just doesn't care about Michael, and that's the sore point. If it was, "I want his memories to return so badly, but I just am not who I was, and I'm not sure how I feel about him, or if I can love him, but might have to part with him and I'm scared what that will mean." is something, but she basically said she just didn't want him to get his memories back because "relationship" and "optics". She's UPSET HE'S BACK. Amensia or not, it's a bad look.

I'm not sure who we are supposed to be rooting for, but I don't think the answer is "No one." I mean, I want Michael to get his memory back but I just don't feel like show will treat it like a triumph but a sad twist in the love story of Jane and Raf.

Edited April 6, 2019 by thelegacies87

[Enginerd]

The thing is, though, I think Jane knows that by now she's moved on far enough and her relationship with Rafael has matured, and she's just different now than she was back then, and at this point, she would choose Rafael. As long as "Jason" doesn't remember, he's totally fine with that. He has a life he's happy with, doesn't particularly care for Jane (OR DOES HE NOW?...but mostly no), etc. So he isn't hurt by her choosing Rafael. But if he remembered everything and she still chose Rafael, then he would be hurt.

I don't blame Jane for not being too interested in what Michael's parents are experiencing; they have been horrible to her in the past. Which doesn't mean they shouldn't get their son back, but knowing that intellectually and caring enough to prioritize it in your deepest darkest emotions that you can only reveal to your closest confidantes are two different things. And Jane is Rogelio's daughter, after all. A certain amount of self-absorption isn't that surprising.

I personally don't care that much about how the romance shakes out; I'm here for the narrator's jokes, Jason's line dancing, Ro-boats, etc. Maybe it will end up like the story of the dog who can't choose between two bones and ends up with neither. Jane will live happily ever after as a free agent, and Michael will get his memory back and he and Rafael will realize their antagonism toward each other all this time was just suppression of PASSION, and they will ride off into the sunset together.