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6 hours ago, loki567 said:
You sell the rights, you sell the rights. And without being too much of a morbid bastard about it, 10-15 years now George will be in his 80s. And I wonder if HBO came to him and said, "we want to make a 200 million dollar movie about the characters after GoT," if he even would step in the way of it.
This is definitely not something I imagine happening any time soon but law of averages says a lot of the actors' careers are going to peak with GoT. A decade later, coming back to the series might sound a lot more appealing.
Hey, Deadwood--a show I'm pretty sure only 200 people (including me) watched--ended 15 years ago and its movie premieres May 31. So anything is possible.
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31 minutes ago, Soup333 said:
So a random boom operator won’t be able to get another gig because GoT is on the resume? Costume designer who won awards is now completely unemployable because of a petition?
IKR? Of course they'll be employable--because the quality of their work over eight seasons speaks for itself and neither bad writing nor a petition complaining about bad writing will change that. My brother--a producer--can vouch for this. I guarantee he'd be more than happy to have GoT alumni on his crew.
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35 minutes ago, Minneapple said:
You can complain all you want, you can criticize all you want. A television show is art and it's open to criticism and discussion. Art is art and it's subjective. Even Emilia said she would have liked for Dany to have more conversations with Missandei this season, a criticism I have noted as well. That's perfectly fair. What goes past the line is throwing a tantrum and demanding HBO re-do it. That is what reeks of entitlement.
Yup, art is subjective. And art has triggered public reactions, both positive and negative, for centuries. "Tantrums" and "demands" will yield whatever result they yield, which, in this case, will likely be nothing but a 1.5 million-person vent. It'll be interesting to see if more comes of it. The "line" you mention is your personal line. If you want to be angry about people being angry about Game of Thrones, have at it. This is all free speech. I was just saying that it doesn't make me angry that people signed a petition and I don't judge them for it. YMMV, and obviously does.
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21 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:
If I may change the subject...
Is it wrong that a small petty part of me hopes that killing Dany will haunt Jon for the rest of his life?
I hear you and yeah, I think he'll carry this forever, just as he carries guilt about his betrayal of Ygritte and her end, the weight of this will always be on his conscience. I always had the impression that he stills feels bad about hanging Olly (even if he felt it was justice at the time). That's just how Jon rolls.
One of the notable things to me in the finale was just how TIRED Jon looked, as if he were wearing an invisible cloak of everyone he ever killed. Assassinating Dany pretty much broke him--that's why stood there ready for Drogon to do his worst.
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I don't "blame" any actor or crew member for my issues with this season. My frustration lies in the fact that D&D were offered the time and resources to tell this story better and chose not to avail themselves of either. I'm satisfied to air my grievances about (or love of) shows on the forums and don't need to sign petitions about them. Having said that, GoT, like any television series or movie, is a commodity. It's a product the audience pays for; consumers are entitled to complain if they think they've been ripped off. I don't think that makes them jerks, nor do I feel comfortable applying the other meaning of "entitled" to people who choose to do this. Similarly, I don't judge clapback from actors or crew, who are equally entitled to defend their work and have the massive media presence to be as heard as they want to be. I look at all of this as an exercise in free speech. Remember when letter-writing campaigns were the only option? I do, because old.
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God, I've loved this show. Two seasons, two perfect gems. Yes, yes, yes to Andrew Scott. No surprise there; the casting has always been spot-on. Brett Gellman really sold his speech at the wedding--PWB is a genius at writing flawed humans, i.e. all humans. The bassoon thing "It's a cry for help!!" had me rolling because my dad is a (retired) professional bassoonist.
The finale left Fleabag in a pretty good place, although I did like the therapist and hope she goes back for more sessions. Also glad for Claire & Claire. I wish I could get my sister to watch this, but she hasn't even watched Catastrophe yet *sigh*.
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34 minutes ago, Minneapple said:
Well, Margaery's dead and Sansa survived, so while Margaery's approach may have been more entertaining, it seems Sansa's approach was a wee bit more effective.
Sansa would have been equally dead in Margaery's situation. Actually, she'd have been dead way sooner if LF hadn't gotten her the hell out of Dodge.
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18 minutes ago, rmontro said:
Ha, I was thinking the same but didn't want to say it. I always liked Sansa until this year, she's turned into such a little snip. Not only was she b!tchy to Dany, she betrayed Jon's secret immediately after finding out, despite her swearing not to.
Yup. People can think all they want that her attitude toward Dany was justified because she saw the writing on the wall (because she learned so much from Littlefinger, yada, yada, yada), but the truly savvy thing would have been to take a page from Margaery's book. The ol' iron-fist-in-a-velvet-glove approach is so much smarter and way more entertaining.
ETA, I was really hoping Jon would give a "Meh, whatevs," response to her apology, but nah. I was all "Oh, Jon!" (cue Mary Tyler Moore voice).
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28 minutes ago, rmontro said:
If it was just a ruse to fool Grey Worm though, why didn't Jon just go back to Winterfell? Or would he have rather been with the wildlings? Maybe he wanted to leave Westeros so he wouldn't be bothered by his lineage. Varys had been writing those letters to someone, it would likely be common knowledge by now.
It would be too public for him to live at Winterfell; news would spread. Besides--dumb writing notwithstanding--I'm pretty sure Jon's absolutely over all the political bullshit that his show iteration was pretty crappy at anyway. He also could do better than having to deal with Sansa's resting bitchface for years to come. I'm sure it would emerge whenever he had an idea or thought about anything, so why not hang with people who actually have some modicum of affection and respect for him? One of my favorite scenes in the entire series was season six's Sansa/Jon reunion, but man, did things ever go downhill from there.
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1 minute ago, Soup333 said:
I love her more for this too. I did chuckle when she said she didn’t know anything about the petition and then the interview just moved on. What I wouldn’t give to have been a fly on the wall to see her expression (and if anything else was said about it).
I also read a little blurb of an interview with Kit. Not sure if this has been discussed but he said something about fans being “culpable” for believing Dany was good. I think his word choice was unfortunate. We were sold Good Queen Daenerys for seasons. Emilia talks about that in her interview. I’d need to read the entire article with him but his remark left me with less than positive feelings about him.
Yeah, I also read the Kit comments. They were from Variety, I think? I mostly chalked that up to him doing the actorly thing of buying into whatever motivation the writers/showrunners give you for your character (as Emilia also describes in the New Yorker piece). He needs/wants to justify Jon's actions to himself while simultaneously trying to see a "deeper" meaning in how the audience engaged with Dany. I think he meant to point out how people can be taken in by charismatic dictators; I get why it bothered you, though. He pretty much invited whatever blowback he gets from going there, but he seems pretty outspoken in general, so I guess he can handle it, heh.
As much as this season disappointed me, one of the best things GoT has done is bring up a new generation of actors while allowing us to enjoy the greats of earlier generations, too.
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Emilia talks to The New Yorker's Sarah Larson. I like her even more after this interview. She's such a pro . . . and so smart and funny, too. Can't wait for the Elizabeth Barrett Browning project!
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21 hours ago, enoughcats said:
In my warped opinion, Richard Madden got a major boost to his career, because of the way he photographed at Kit Harrington and Rose Leslie's wedding.
He is scorching hot at all times. I'll just be in my bunk. . .
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Just now, bijoux said:
He also swore to go to the Wall, but I don’t think that ending necessarily states he’s going to go back there after escorting the Free Folk home.
Weeellll, technically Tyrion did the swearing when he told Jon his "sentence." We never witnessed Jon repeating the oath. Also, everyone there at the Wall (including some Night's Watch-looking guys, if I'm not mistaken) seemed cool with him strolling out with the Wildlings. That could mean he was going out ranging, but I choose to believe that everyone at the Wall was prepared to cover for him as he sets off to a new life in the "real North." That's my fanwank and I'm sticking to it.
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1 hour ago, Brn2bwild said:
And also, fuck you, Tyrion. However unforgivable Dany's actions, she is not worse than your evil sister and father. Tywin and Cersei destroyed lives for pleasure and because they craved power. They would never dream of trying to help people, as Dany did, and if they had even one dragon, they would probably would have blackened Westeros with it in the time it took Dany to save Jon beyond the Wall and fight in the Battle of Winterfell.
^This.^
I couldn't bring myself to even talk about Tyrion in my earlier post, but yes, I was thinking the same. I loved how they had him rehash all the bullet points about how we should have seen the Mad Queen coming. You know, just in case we weren't prepared to buy what they were selling, Tyrion would tell us why we should. Good grief.
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Still processing, but I will say that the spoilers this season did me a solid. Being prepared for the suckage made it less traumatic, so yay?
Emilia killed it this ep, which made it all the more frustrating to consider what she could have done with better material over the seasons. It would have been amazing to see a well-written buildup to what she became, and based on tonight, I believe Emilia could definitely have pulled it off. In the scene where Tyrion quits, there's a second of Dany looking devastated before she orders him taken away; excellently done, as was her time alone in the throne room and then with Jon. I was relieved she died quickly; Jon knew what he was doing in that respect, at least.
I can't be pissed with Sansa for asking (demanding) Northern independence since that's what she's been banging on about forever--and her baby brother's king, so chances were good. But yeah, what about the Iron Islands? Yara got what, two lines? Ridiculous. I would have died laughing if Bran had said "No free North, sorry; I have my reasons. But Yara, you and your people go and rule your own selves."
I can, however, be pissed with Sansa for sidling up and asking Jon (again) for forgiveness after (again) putting him in mortal danger to suit her own purposes. Of course, from her perspective, it doesn't hurt to ask--and this is Show Jon we're talking about, so she's not only forgiven, but given a gold star. Huh. I think Sansa wins the Game of Thrones, since BranBot doesn't care about winning.
And speaking of Bran, I hope he leaves Drogon the hell alone and/or Drogon goes to a place too remote to be tracked.* Also? Tyrion gave Bran a crappy king name and God-kings are creepy bullshit.
I did like the chair-dragging callback in the Small Council chamber, but no, Bronn should not be there. He's a literal MERCENARY, and as such is 100 percent corruptible. But when it comes to keeping the realm in brothels and dick jokes, he's your man, I suppose.
And finally, Jon was served his biggest shit sandwich ever. Just another day at the office, then. I don't hate or resent him--he can't help how he's been written, and I thought Kit did a good job with what he was given. He had so few scenes to build a relationship with Dany, but I bought Jon's devastation in his talk with Tyrion and then with Dany in the throne room. Yeah, he's not manning The Wall, he's nopeing on outta there with the Wildlings . . . and possibly, someday, getting with a nice woman who won't shoot him full of arrows. But most importantly, he'll be the best dad to Ghost from now on and supply his good boy with cuddles and lots and lots of elk-meat snausages. That, I can't complain about.
ETA: I was glad that Arya didn't try to kill Dany or anyone else. I think what the Hound told her landed and Needle will only be used in self defense (or defense of innocents) during her travels.
*I mean physically tracked and ballista'd. There is, of course, no escape from the 3ER's remote stalking.
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In the absence of Drogon spoilers (except for melting the IT and the one where he flies away with Dany, which I'm not 100% buying), I maintain my last week's spec:
1. Jon, being the only person other than Tyrion or Dany who can approach Drogon safely, distracts him with some petting/snausages while somebody else (Davos?) snipers him with a surviving ballista;
2. Jon then Old Yellers Dany in much the same way: "I don't care if you're my aunt. I love you; let's do it." She falls for it; he makes with the stabbity; she tells him on her dying breath that there is/was a Starkgaryen bun in the oven.*
Also, a question: Remember how Dany (the genocidal maniac) got Yara to agree that reaving and raping would be crossed off the Iron Islanders' to-do lists? What will happen with that once she's gone? Will her edict have any meaning to that culture, even to Yara, after she's ignominiously taken down?
*Not necessarily in this order and assuming that Dany and Drogon aren't together at all times.
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9 minutes ago, Potanical Pardon said:
Dang. I think I might be a narcissist.
Heh, you just proved you're not one.😀
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1 minute ago, Law Mom said:
I am truly sorry. I wish you all the best, sister.
Thank you. One of the best things about getting away from someone like that is realizing how many really nice people there still are in the world. 🙂
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On 5/13/2019 at 3:31 AM, Law Mom said:As for the mad queen, I feel like it is a failure of our education system that people didn’t see it coming. English Lit 101! It was projected from the very first episode. Was Dany ever righteous? Arguably not. The narcissist can do what looks like good deeds, but the motivation is not caring but admiration. Narcissists require supply. Dany freed slaves to gain a group of people who owed her and called her Mother, and then she gave herself the title Breaker of Chains. She took over the Unsullied and offered them a chance to leave, but how realistic is that. These men had no other life. So they followed her. She didn’t give a rat’s ass about them individually. She constantly referred to them as “her” army as if she owned them. She wore a mask of virtue but it was never real because she has no empathy.
Hmm. Not only did I take English 101, I graduated with a degree in it and went on to a career in publishing. Reading other people's novels (across all genres) has been part of my job for the last 20 years, and hey! I didn't see this coming. Because D&D's story and character building didn't support it.
Also, as someone who was married to a malignant narcissist for 16 years and spent two years divorcing him, I had to learn plenty about what makes them tick in order to recover from his abuse and to protect my children from being well and truly fucked up by him (this is a work in progress). Based on this research, as well as personal (not professional!) experience, I have to disagree with your assessment. It's easy enough to cherry-pick terms from the DSM that match up with Dany at her worst, but there are other key behaviors we haven't seen her display but that all narcissists exhibit:
1. Lying. All narcs lie, whether to prop up their egos, cover their asses, or just for kicks (because they get off on the power of knowing they're putting one over on somebody). Dany's been called many things, but "liar" isn't one of them.
2. Cruelty, especially via manipulation, to reliable/primary sources of supply. This happens when (a) a normally compliant source presents unexpected resistance, and/or (b) the narc is getting bored with the supply source. If Dany were a narcissist, she'd deal out spontaneous and casual cruelty to even her closest and most reliable sources of supply just because she can. She'd play her advisors against one another to see how far they'd go to curry her favor. Or you'd see her being a bitch to Missandei, for example, for no discernible reason. Narcissists can be extremely charming and warm, but the mask comes down eventually.
3. Unmitigated selfishness. As you pointed out, a narcissist is only "generous" when gathering supply or tap dancing to keep it. Victims of narcissistic abuse will tell you how, in the "honeymoon phase," the narc was such a great listener, so interested in everything they had to say. This ends once the supply source has been secured, therefore Dany, having secured Missandei, wouldn't have been particularly interested in her "friend"'s growing feelings for Grey Worm, for instance. Their intimate conversation about that was a genuine moment of friendship. Dany listened to and cared about what Missandei had to say. Narcs don't engage in these types of exchanges unless there's something in it for them or they fear losing supply. What a supply source thinks are deep, meaningful "conversations" are, upon closer examination, actually long stretches of the narc talking about him/herself.
Oh--and no way would a narcissist risk him/herself and/or his/her powerful toys (because children--dragon or otherwise--are nothing but toys for a narc) to save OTHER people. Sure, you could say Dany's actions at the Battle of Winterfell were the ultimate supply harvest, but I'd say not, because the risk to her person in order to gain that potential supply was way too high.
So no, I don't believe Dany is a narcissist. But your post got me thinking about how D&D could have made her one. Just a few scenes per season of her exhibiting truly narcissistic behaviors would have helped lay compelling groundwork to support what the last two episodes would now have us believe.
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7 minutes ago, rmontro said:
They did a terrible job of building up any sort of romance between Jon and Dany. Maybe they wanted to avoid getting to heavy into it because of the incense thing, although that didn't seem to stop them with Jamie and Cersei. I really am left somewhat confused about what Jon's feelings were. I guess there was a romance kindling there, until the "we're family" reveal, that squished it for him. But for all we were shown, it could have just as easily been a sexual dalliance for him.
Didn't Tolkien have Aragorn turn evil at the end and burn down Minas Tirith? What, you mean he didn't? I wonder if we were given the Aragorn turns evil ending if anyone would have even heard of Lord of the Rings? Tolkien at least had the good sense to not try and pass that garbage off on to his readers.
Absolutely agree that the J/D "romance" was half-assed as hell. Still, I took Jon at his word that he loved her, mostly because he doesn't do dalliances because bastards. Of course, he want against that with Ygritte, but he does (did?) seem to take intimacy pretty seriously. He looked pretty besotted during BoatSex, I thought. Meh, what do I know? I didn't even realize Dany'd been teetering on the brink all along.
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1 hour ago, GraceK said:
This is pretty great
That? Was awesome. Therapeutic, even.
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4 hours ago, Marci said:
Jon, well, I will always like Jon. They can’t stop me. Nuff said.
Heee--me too. But they're trying damned hard.
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4 hours ago, DigitalCount said:
Positivity post: for all the talk of Kit's limited acting, I could see him physically thinking "ugh, Sansa, why" when Varys approached him. And to Jon's credit, he did not vocalize this. It was a moment that he could have said something dumb and didn't; I could even see him working out the chain of actors (if Varys is talking about this to me, then the person who talked had to have been Sansa). But identifying her in the moment would have been foolish, so I'm glad he didn't do it.
Yup, I saw and appreciated the play of microexpressions across his face. Also, there was an eye twitch that was perfect. I've always liked Kit's performance as Jon. Sometimes think I'm seeing a different actor than other people are; I can pretty much always tell what Jon is thinking, even when everybody else complains that he's "expressionless." He also does a lot with breathing, IYKWIM?
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42 minutes ago, lucindabelle said:
So do we believe Jon kills dany and drogon flies away with her or is it Jon kills dany and she comes back to life or what?
I find it hard to believe they won't find a way to kill Drogon. He represents not only a WMD, but Dany herself, and since she's been reduced to a homicidal dictator/madwoman, everything she stands for must be wiped out (show view, not mine). I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Jon killed Dany when Drogon wasn't around and then found a way--using the dragon's trust in him and possibly somebody manning a surviving ballista--to put him down as well. I know it hasn't been spoiled, but it easily travels the nihilistic road down which D&D have merrily skipped this season.
I'm not angry at Jon as many are. I think he's been believably torn, but yes, he's also been rendered impotent in the most frustrating of ways. I have no issues with KH's acting, which also probably makes Show!Jon a little less bothersome for me. His not comforting Dany was, in some ways, pretty typical late-seasons Jon. He's been fixated on the fights at hand and unwilling/unable to discuss or process his feelings about Dany being his aunt or anything else. Surviving all of these horrifying battles seems to have shut him down emotionally. Of course, a real conversation or two with someone like Sam (before he left) or Davos or--god forbid!--Dany herself could have made some difference to how he's perceived, but apparently that didn't fit D&D's agenda of "All dialogue must be about (a) battles; (b) scheming; (c) birthrights (d) Isn't Dany acting weird/crazy/power mad?" I think Jon did still love Dany as of 8.05, but her being his relative makes him throw up in his mouth a little, and he's struggling unsucessfully to reconcile this conflict. He couldn't handle her emotions, much less his own--which absolutely makes him look crap, but also is kind of believable to me?
If the spoilers didn't point in another direction, I'd be entertaining the notion that Jon commits suicide after killing Dany. He'll have become, if not a queenslayer (since the birthright is his), a kinslayer; he'll have betrayed love for duty a second time and I could totally see him just wanting this shitty life over already.
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Deadwood - General Discussion
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With cocksuckin' Game of Thrones done, it's time for my Deadwood rewatch. I'm still pinching myself re: the movie. Can't wait!