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I feel really bad for Elizabeth. Honestly, at this point, I hope Carter just leaves with her crazy ass kidnapper. Elizabeth deserves better. Saying that she was going to stop looking for Lori, the woman who took her child, is a very selfless thing for her to do. Yet Carter doesn't appreciate it.
Carter should not force her to sympathize with the kidnapper who put her through hell all these years.
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Why take it out of her basement and fill all her rooms with the canned food? Another mystery of the Dome.
For the forced reveal/taking a hostage nonsense.
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Bingo. What exactly has led you to believe Ezra might not be a pretentious moron after all? The very fact that he has cameras everywhere and has yet to find out who A is speaks volumes.
I sure hope not, just once I would like to see a sociopath without some banal childhood trauma.
Exactly, he's just a pathetic glorified creep/stalker.
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I guess it's true that every guy (besides Mr Fields and Pastor Ted) in Rosewood is a creep. Not to mention how weird it was that Zach hit on his fiancee's daughter's friend.
Rosewood is full of creepers and teen girls are the main choice.
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I had this weird thought that Bird's attacker is going to turn out to be Gabe. Mr. Nice Guy Stalker.
I thought about that and then remember that this show still needs its forced, pointless love triangle/love interest for this series.
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Did I miss the part where a town reporter can become the ruler of Dumb town ? because that felt really random. She arrested him (somehow) yesterday show time and now is their ruler. Is this a tie in with that whole Monarch butterfly plot line that never went anywhere ?
Also why did DJ Phil give up being the Sheriff simply because Barbie walked in? Wasn't the town trying to kill Barbie a week ago ?
Why am I still watching this show is probably the most important question ?
Because the dome chose her or some bs because she sucks at it, she got credited for doing nothing.
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A new promo for episode 6 was posted on SpoilerTv web site, and it is just as ludicrous as previously hinted at during the San Diego Comic-con panel
http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/07/under-dome-episode-206-in-dark-promo.html
There's a sandstorm inside the dome. Where are the winds coming from ? Where is all the sand coming from ? There are no deserts under the dome, so it has to come from somewhere. And Rebecca's big worry is that the sand will plug the holes in the dome and block fresh air from getting in. Seriously.
I don't want to get all sciency on the high-school science teacher, but grains of sand are HUGE compared to oxygen molecules -- and she should know that. Plus, how would they even stop that from happening ? Are they going to build a vacuum cleaner to suck all the sand off the dome ?
And the Scooby Doo gang plus Drownsie discover another egg.
The tunnel under the high school leads to a mine of some sort, what with the fact that there are ladders and support beams in the tunnel (as well as the obligatory cave-ins that occur at times of plot convenience). Wouldn't anyone who had lived in Chester's Mills all their life know that the town was built over an old mine ?
Sandstorm? Seriously, they need to stop hiding behind science because this is just bs disaster of the episode.
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What character did he play again? Oh, Renard's brother. OK. One of the Euro sub-sub-plot guys. The Royals, the Verrat, the Council, the Resistance... They're all the same to me. The show would be better off ditching the entire Adalind-Royal family arc. Every time there's a scene change to Europe we always groan, "Oh no. Not Again," and get up for a snack.
No wonder, it's easy to just spouting dialogue in the background for him. Yeah, they're all so forgettable.
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Ugh this show is a victim of its own success. S1 was so great and then S2 was abysmal and then S3 started off good and then floundered. Everytime they bring in a new character, the new character stinks, doesn't add anything to the show. Don't know why they didn't make this show a mini-series. They killed off Conrad who was an interesting character, evil as hell but entertaining, especially his sparring matches with Victoria. They wrote Jack into a corner with having him lose his father, dog, brother, and wife and he hasn't gone totally insane yet. Charlotte is just boring and extinct, it shows that writers don't know what to do with her.
I don't care about Emanda, I liked S1's Emily but S2 & S3 Emanda suck. Don't care about her family and her mother Kara was a big snooze.
I only like Victoria & Nolan, they can surround the show around those two and maybe I'll watch again. I stopped watching in the middle of S3.
In a way, Jack is just there being shoved into scenes because they don't know what to do with him except be a LI and pointless subplot fillers. Charlotte is even worse, especially after making her David's daughter.
Also, why would they spell out their endgame so directly? They as good as said that they want to end on Jack/Emanda sailing off into the sunset together (as many of us have speculated), therefore completely ruining any hopes they might go anywhere interesting with this after all. Yeah, I won't tune in again.
What's worse is that they're not written well at all, they pretty much isolated Jack and killed people close to him and even after knowing everything, Emily barely seems like she actually cares and the writers think this bs is supposed to be romantic.
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Yeah, I think the fast pace is my biggest complaint about the show. I can deal with character and backstory inconsistency at the beginning of a series; I'd rather they rework things than keep Elizabeth as a total wet blanket and have Taylor hating Carter for "stealing" boys from her, for example. But I feel like the writers think the target audience for this show has absolutely no attention span and so they're rushing past (or completely skipping) important things like Carter settling in and asking about her early childhood.
I have other (smaller) complaints, too, but I agree with @Kromm that all of those things can be corrected, as we're still early in the series. But this can't be -- once they skip over Carter bonding with her siblings (and getting used to being a twin!) or her new friends grilling her about her past, it's done; they can't go back.
They're brushing past important parts of the story that should've been more of a focus considering the premise.
I don't think he's been wasted in the traditional sense (for me that term usually means "underutilized"). His character has a decent amount to do on the show (at least so far), and has some reasonable impact on the plot. If he's being wasted I'd say it's more in line with "I wish he was on a better show".
I do wish he was on a better show though, so in a way, wasted would be right.
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So we get Phil turning into some evil maniacal villain for no good reason at all, Julia getting credit for not actually doing anything least of all being an actual leader (Barbie stopped Phil, 5-Head's mom discovered what Phil did, the church lady saved the day with the convenient food storage), the stupid love triangle with Joe, 5 Head, and the undead dome girl, oh and more Jr family bs.
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This is week three. They had 13 episodes the first season, and this was episode 5 of the second season, 18 episodes so far. This means each episode is roughly a day under the dome. Wow, these people heal fast - physically and emotionally.
Frankly, I have gotten so much enjoyment out of finding mistakes in this show that I was a little disappointed that Big Jim and the barber both had scars/wounds from the acid rain, I figured it would be gone and forgotten. However, it seemed like Big Jim's wounds were smaller at the beginning of the episode, then got larger or more pronounced, and the barber's wounds should have been worse than they looked this episode, if it were really the next day -- So, I wasn't too disappointed that they remembered to put wounds, since they did such a bad job of it.
That just makes all the characters' actions/reactions in the dome all the more ridiculous in that short amount of time.
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Oh I thought she didn't want to be recognized due to embarrassment from being on this show.
Can you blame her though? :P.
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I really really hope that a Suyin isn't in on it. I'm tired of the "Good older sibling, evil younger sibling" dynamic that they always tend to go with in this show (Examples: Zuko/Azula, Iroh/Ozai, Tonraq/Unalaq, I think there's another one in there but I can't think of it at the moment) with the exception of Noatak/Tarrlok but that was more of an "Evil older brother/Slightly less evil younger brother" dynamic. I'm only counting instances of villains here, however.
That being said (after seeing a spoiler image), I believe that Suyin at least has knowledge of them. I won't say more about it because I know how some folks feel about spoilers. However, I don't think she's evil. She just knows of them because she had encountered them in the past. I'll be extremely disappointed if she is evil.
That being said, it was a great episode. I just wish they had played the next episode but nooooo we had to get a Spongebob rerun instead.
It's because it's gotten old at this point so I hope it's something new.
I have to keep reminding myself, kids show, kids show. Because Korra and the gang running off after a group that kicked their asses, plus the asses of an entire city of highly trained specialty benders, makes no damn sense at all. How about trying to figure out what the bad guys might want and why they're obsessed with the Avatar? The traveling portion of the show could be revisiting the prisons and finding out if the bad guys ever revealed little clues about their motives, which could be pieced together.
Oh, and how can Lin really, really, deep-down, think she can keep them save in her own city, when Tenzin's home has already been invaded by one of them, and with only a handful of benders? Or is she going to hide Korra in a city where she's not exactly popular, and which is dealing with all these new spirits and giant vines?
This show is beautiful but it makes no damn sense.
It took them 8 episodes before the plot finally got going and there's only 13 episodes for this book, this show has just been about Korra and the others going through subplots until the villains finally did their thing.
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Later I talked about expectations of the show being based on it being a soap-y execution, not on it being a more realistic drama. Unless you think "not a total wash" and "being able to bear this" somehow count as praise, that section didn't pile it on either.
At best anything I said was of the "damning with faint" variety of praise. Talking about unrealized potential is not over-praising something. Nor is admitting a different set of expectations for certain genres.
It depends on what expectations you're talking about especially when the "at least it wasn't as bad" or "at least it didn't do this or that" excuses start flying out.
Lots of shows wastes their potential unfortunately, it's just a shame for all of them with all things considering.
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And yet while it may be questionable how to proceed with it on a show, it may actually be one of the few realistic things in this whole setup. Not the affair and the book writing and the mom who also happens to be a cop, and all that bullcrap, but the whole idea that couples put through a child abduction often have their marriages turn to crap. It's yet another example of how the ideas behind the show aren't bad, it's just the execution that's questionable.
Again, I don't rate the current status quo as anything that's unfix-able. The long-range plan of the show doesn't even really necessitate having the family stay together. Alexis Denisof is only third billed, so part of me wonders if this has always been there as a back door to get him off the show once he serves a purpose (bonding Elizabeth and Carter through mutually screwing them both over). And yes, that's super-soap-operay. He could be shuffled to off-screen-land and only brought back later as a guest star to stir things up again. So the divorced parents thing might be on purpose, not something they'll have to magically overcome to keep the show the same. Shows like this like to fuck with the status quo--they don't WANT to keep it the same. And that's why this is more of a soap than a drama, I guess. I think that's the key here to being able to bear this. If you came in expecting a realistic drama, then you're screwed. If you came in thinking "hey, it's on MTV, it's probably going to be some kind of teen/family soap" (I'd expect this even more on ABC Family, but MTV is usually in that area too), then I doubt it seems like it's as much of a total wash.
And that's a contradiction, praising it for having realistic elements at the same time as not being realistic at all.
The execution is awful, but that in turn undermines the good ideas this show might've had, which is the problem.
Soaps are usually more melodramatic/ridiculous in nature and tone than this, but this series does come close, it's just that it uses many of the cliches/contrivances that soap operas do.
As for the status quo, nothing has really changed and usually shows like this will throw drama at them only for it to not matter in a couple episodes (or in this case, in the same episode like Carter's fight with Bird).
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Just for fun a couple of weeks ago I looked at another message board to see what people were saying about the show. The people on there seriously think this is the most awesomely awesome show ever. Some people had screen names like "Pink Stars" and avatars of Barbie and Julia kissing. One thread I read started with posts like, "OMG! Only 12 more hours until tonight's episode! I don't know if I can wait that long! OMG! What do you think will happen with Julia and Barbie? OMG! OMG!" These people are absolutely enthralled with all the awesome and clever twists and turns.
After the way they wrote them this season with Julia snapping at Barbie's 'betrayal'? XD.
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The only thing that really gets me is that Elizabeth and David don't seem like they really should be married (with her cheating and his general awfulness to her), which is fair enough, except that that's not a very good set-up for a show, right? Carter splitting time with her divorced parents? That doesn't work, so they have to keep them married and that's where I can't fathom how they can make it so that Elizabeth and David staying married makes any sense.
Exactly, but like I said, it's more contrived drama they threw in there. They're not interested in actually setting things up properly.
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As long as they air Book 4 in some way, shape, or form. Bleh.
It most likely will, it's how and when that's troubling given all the problems this series has with the network.
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EP Neal Baer stated that they have great adventures ahead for upcoming seasons (if they are as shitty as the ideas so far in Season 2, that doesn't bode well), and they have from 3 to 5 seasons of material planned out.
More like making more bs up as they go along, none of this feels planned.
Third spoiler -- Big Jim is going to help save the town from further climate changes within the dome in upcoming episodes (which means he gets out of jail fairly soon).
WTF? XD.
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after the town becomes divided over Big Jim and Rebecca's population-control plan
Still has brain dead supporters.
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To me the key is "is the show beyond repair".
I think its not.
While they can't pretend the contrivances already executed never happened, none of them have affected the status quo of the show in a way that can't be adjusted to something more reasonable. For example, Elizabeth somehow being allowed to act as a cop on nabbing her own daughter's kidnapper, for example, is something it's possible to ease off of, and in fact have someone in that show world get in trouble for allowing. The boy drama can just kind of be shrugged off, because the worst problem with it was the speed it developed, and once you are past that you are past that. The "sympathy for the kidnapper" dilemma, I think they already started to move past. Carter's own feelings on the matter of "who's Mom" is not something I ever found totally unbelievable, but the impression of some posters that she's been a total bitch about it is something the show can easily move past--she hasn't been so hateful I think that anything she's done is unforgivable yet.
We're bound to get more contrivance, I'll bet. I can already see the writing on the wall where what the Dad is doing gets exposed to the family, and this somehow bonds Elizabeth and Carter in some way. Then Faux-Mom gets arrested somewhere around the season ender, and the new closer relationship is shattered. It's sure to be paint-by-numbers. But will it be unwatchable? That's what I'd debate.
It's not just the contrivances or cliches that this series is riddled with, it's that it doesn't even try to come up with something new or unique despite the fact that the premise alone should've provided something new, interesting, and unique for a series like this and yet they've done almost everything they can to avoid it: having the main character barely even care about it at all, having the other characters going along with it, dumping in contrived drama just for the sake of it, etc. Once you shrug and brush everything off like the writers did with this premise, this show is left with almost nothing.
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@FAU I'm trying to be nice about this, because you are starting to border on being pretty insulting. Looking back at my own posts I've consistently admitted to massive faults with the show. I don't see how countering those faults with some balance and saying that other pieces of the show DO work as "a list of excuses". It's a flawed show, massively. But the acting is actually not terrible between the contrivance, and I don't personally find the characters completely unbelievable--its just the situation and speed of them being thrust into stupid soap opera elements that's unbelievable. Having those opinions about some aspects is not "making excuses". Making excuses would be to ignore the faults in my discussion, bolster the aspects that do work FAR over their actual importance, and/or take some kind of "I like what I like" attitude.
To me this is a show that's barely functioning. But it IS functioning nonetheless. The contrivance sadly is all too common on shows like this, but if we roundly dismissed every single contrived show totally, then at a bare minimum the whole genre of family dramas/soaps would be eliminated from any intelligent discussion... like... ever.
I never said anything about the acting though, it's always the writing that I've focused on and it makes sense given that the problems are mainly there.
A show barely functioning is never a good thing because unless there is some sort of major turnaround where tptb realizes and course corrects the direction the series, it can only get worse form here.
Other family dramas have done a better job handling their characters by comparison and they're not wasting a good premise that they're struggling with like this one is. As for soap operas, they're generally more overdramatic and ridiculous. I'd say this series is more teen drama than soap even though it relies on the same contrived drama cliches.
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Yeah, it's just a little MTV summer thing that attracted a lot of attention because the original premise was novel and interesting.
I, too, would have preferred it if they'd spent more time on the problems of reintegrating a lost member into an established family structure.Hence the disappointment and resulting criticism, the show itself doesn't have much to offer either since they decided to brush that aside. With all the excuses, one would expect something special out of this series and yet it doesn't offer anything new or unique enough to warrant that.
Ah. I tend to see that as more, "I guess it could have been worse" than, "The writing's good because they did this instead of that," but I'm sure each poster has a different intent when they say something like that.
It's pretty much similar, but it's the same general idea in posting. This is what you would say to make almost anything sound good or better than it actually is.
But I wanted Revolution to be about daily life in a world without power. And Under The Dome to be about the crisis of suddenly limited resources. Someone in The Walking Dead should have died of an abscessed tooth by now. Always with the damn zombies.
And those shows wasted their premise and turned into terrible shows, which I've also posted in. In TWD's case, it was a decline in quality. Comparing this to other bad shows doesn't exactly make it any better either.
However, in this forum, each episode has a couple of pages of comments, with one or two thousand views, so the show seems to generate a decent amount of discussion just the way it is.
Which plenty of shows do as well, that's not really much of an excuse either, I guess I can also add this to the list of excuses for this series.
FAU, honestly, while it's clear you are frustrated by the show, it sounds like you are also frustrated by people "desperately defending" it too. But I think defending the show is inevitable here, minus the desperation (which I just don't see, or feel I've done myself either--at least with any level of desperation I mean) unless and until we go into total "hate watch/snark" mode, and whatever the show's contrivance and deficiencies it's still a distance IMO from total hate watch territory (maybe eventually).
I just find it fascinating how many excuses are thrown at a show like this, I've been to other forums for both good and bad shows so this type of reaction to fans such as yourself on these forums is much more interesting than the show itself. It didn't even take long for people to come up with a lists of excuses in a short period of time defending this series, especially when it sounds more like people trying to make up long analysis trying to convince themselves that it's something better/deeper than it actually is.
S02.E05: Reconciliation
in Under The Dome [V]
Don't make Desmond suffer anymore.