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Just now, sasha206 said:
I relate to her grief -- my husband died of colon cancer in December at the age of 52; 4 year battle. It's hard on everyone to watch that suffering. But it's hard for me to understand the need to completely reinvent yourself too; especially if it is a job that you truly love. I know they worked together, but when they worked together, her book notes that they were often long-distance lovers -- both could be gone for long periods of time. It's great that you have the luxury to do such a thing; I can't up and quit my job, move out of the house as I have a 15 year old. But at the same time, it's hard for me to understand how someone truly values her prior history as a journalist, continually reminds people of it and sometimes in a very condescending way, and then participates in such trashy TV as if it's a social experiment. I had some semblance of respect for her in the beginning -- I mean, yeah, you want to promote your new book, and it's a great way to quickly gain fame. I lost all respect for her that a couple of years after, she's pimping out her dead friend to go on a show with a very shady medium. It just really took her from sharing her experiences in a very compelling, gripping book to using death for more fame. If she wanted to consult a medium and try to make a connection, great. Why do that on a TV show?
I wonder if Carole would have stayed in journalism if only Anthony had died....she seemed prepared (as prepared as you can be) for his death, but the death of JFKjr and CBK is what really turned her inside out IMO. It was the combination of both deaths, theirs coming at the end of such a long and drawn out suffering. I understand the need to leave everything behind and go far, far away. I'm a little surprised she ever came back.
I don't mind her mentioning her journalism past, I think she's proud of it and she should be. As far as the show, isn't it a social experiment? I think Carole treats it with the exact amount of reverence it deserves! LOL I've never seen the medium shows, so I don't really have an opinion on them, but it's not unheard of that someone might want to connect with a dead loved one, and even believe or do some weird shit to try and get some feeling of connection....and if it's televised, well, someone has to pay the mortgage.
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7 minutes ago, sasha206 said:
Reinventing herself through a Real Housewives show and then going on a reality show with a shady "medium" claiming you felt your dead best girlfriend's spirit seems like a really bad way to reinvent yourself for someone who will ALWAYS remind everyone what a serious journalist she is/was.
LOL, that probably wasn't her plan but the opportunity presented itself, and it likely pays pretty good. I think that Carole probably appreciates the un-serious nature of it all.
1 minute ago, Ki-in said:Like a person who goes on not one but two psychic shows to reconnect with CBK who loathed the press and would probably be mortified over the medium shows to which her name was dragged in to.
Well, CBK is dead, so it's kinda hard for her to be mortified.
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1 minute ago, Ki-in said:
I've known people who've gone through worse and didn't have the luxury of not working for years and living off of an inheritance and going back and forth from coast to coast to the two homes they own. Can't feel sorry for this elitist snob who describes other people as tragedy whores when she is the poster child for being one.
Money does not assuage grief, and tragedy whores are those who haven't actually experienced the tragedy, but are looking for a personal connection to a tragedy in order to get attention.
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7 hours ago, sasha206 said:
It's hard for me to understand if she was such an incredible journalist, won emmy's, interviewed Senators, etc., why the fuck isn't she still in the news media? You can certainly be paid well and find time to write books. Instead, she's on a reality show talking about what a great journalist she once was. Quite the comedown.
Carole left journalism and the news media to mourn the death of her husband and friends...it's like an old life. Someone upthread mentioned it's like she lost her moorings. Yes, she did. She lost everything, and she reinvented herself. I believe she stated that she only recently even reached out to friends and coworkers from ABC, whom she hadn't spoken with in over a decade. After what she went through, I understand how she could leave everything behind...it seems like she's finally starting to move on, so she can revisit that part of her life now. I'm happy for her.
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7 hours ago, QuinnM said:
This is not something she did to him. This is something he did. He is not a victim. He is the abuser. He made the decision to behave like this.
Worth repeating IMO.
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I don't believe the police, the DA or the judge that issued the restraining order have to do anything that Bethenny says....Jason was arrested and charged and a restraining order issued, that's a pretty strong indication that something is wrong with his behavior, but he'll get his chance to defend himself in court. So far we have seen no evidence that Bethenny is guilty of stalking or harassing Jason. I have a feeling, though, that no matter what Jason does, somehow Bethenny will still be at fault.
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6 minutes ago, Ellee said:
Conjecture on my part but does anyone seriously believe that B hasn't threatened to take away any contact with HIS DAUGHTER? Does anyone believe that B hasn't done an equal share of the harassment?
If that's the case, then Jason can present that in court.....but yeah, considering there are no allegations against Bethenny in that regard, I think that it's unlikely to exist.
It's good to keep in mind that this is not just Bethenny making these claims. There are attorneys involved, and now the NYPD and the court system that have brought charges against Jason and issued a restraining order against him. There IS evidence that Jason is doing the harassing. There is no evidence, at this point that I'm aware of, that Bethenny is doing the same.
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On 1/26/2017 at 1:56 PM, Normades said:
I wonder what Anthony would think of her now.
LOL, I'm sure we all think Anthony would have the same opinion of Carole as we do.
Except I'm sure we would never be able to know what Anthony would think of her now, because unlike us, Anthony actually knew her and loved her.
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On 1/31/2017 at 6:00 PM, PhilMarlowe2 said:
As one of the few who always thought Jason was a total undercover creep, is it wrong to feel slightly vindicated by this news?
Not. At. All. LOL!
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28 minutes ago, Giant Misfit said:
If it's an intruder, he was presumably in the house for god knows how long, finding at least three different ways to kill a 45-lb. child, and spending 21 minutes writing the note itself, I think he might feel confident enough taking the additional two minutes to retrieve the thing once its contents were rendered worthless.
Maybe the intruder forgot! Can you imagine, getting halfway down the road and then being like SHIT!! LOL
Sorry to laugh because I know we are talking about a murder, but I think in hindsight we always think people would behave methodically or logically and not make mistakes. Even a murderer can have a brain fart.
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15 minutes ago, Arynm said:
I thought the pathologist said that her brain had swelled and they could say with relative certainty that it had happened 3 hours before she died?
See, this is why the case is so perplexing! There are so many different theories floating around it's hard to know what is the truth and what is just rumor that has been around so long it's now taken as fact.
I would like a special that shows all the facts and doesn't try to sway me one way or the other. It can be done.
Maybe, but I will admit I'm taking these expert findings with a HUGE grain of salt, especially since I found out that the 'revelation' of the secret conversation on the 911 call was basically word for word what the Boulder PD had posited. It was obvious they were just proving the Burke theory, not just presenting facts. There is a counter documentary, I watched on A&E where the expert says that JB had claw marks on her neck meaning she was fighting the strangulation, something that would have been impossible by the theory presented on this show that JB was basically brain dead from the earlier blow. Which one is true?? Will we ever know??
I find it so interesting that neither the blow nor the strangulation can be determined as the definitive cause of death. That to me seems odd, seems like it should be one or the other.
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23 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:
I can totally buy that or something similar, shoegal. The trouble is, now I can also buy this Burke theory.
I could buy the Burke theory, too, with the head blow and the pineapple, and the cover up ransom note, etc by the parents. What I can't reconcile that with is the strangulation, any and all parts of it. I can't imagine Burke doing it, I can't imagine one of the parents staging it for the cover up and I certainly cannot get on board with the idea that one of the parents finished her off because the blow to the head didn't kill her. I also can't dismiss the DNA in the panties and leggings, which I understand was mixed with a drop of JB's blood?
The Burke/parent cover up theory makes the most sense if not for a few things that I just can't make fit in my mind....but I will admit I have not paid that much attention, I have been watching the recent coverage but it's not like I've spent twenty years reading about the case. I feel like at this point, there is so much out there it's hard to know what is true and what has become historical fiction, and what pieces matter (like the poop in the bed....did it really happen? maybe it was JB's? Was it months, weeks, years before?) ...
I agree, it's too much, it's too much!
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8 minutes ago, iMonrey said:
However, the "intruder" theory relies upon strangulation as the manner of death, because there's no logic behind an intruder hitting her over the head with a blunt object after he has already killed her. I think that's why so many professionals reason the blunt force trauma occurred first, because the other way around doesn't make much sense.
I think it could make sense. If JB was being strangled and was fighting back during the strangulation (clawing at the rope/string) I can see the perp (intruder or otherwise) deciding to try knocking her in the head, at least to get her to stop fighting. I think the blow could have come in the middle of the strangulation, and the strangulation being easier to finish once she was knocked out.
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3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:
Actually, she was calling them all out, not just Bethenny and Carole. Jules "menopause" comments were not "sexist" not anywhere close. LOL These were comments she made in her THs in answer to a producers question and since we don't know the question, we really can't condemn Jules's answer, it may have been on point (as I think it was) or it may have been out of line but we just don't know because we never, ever hear the producer question.
And you are right, the TH are filmed weeks/months later then slipped in where the producers believe they will have the biggest impact and they are edited down to a short sound bite where, once again, we have no idea as to what was initially asked or the full answer. Which is why I don't place much stock in the TH comments made by any of them.
Blaming bad behavior on menopause is pretty sexist IMO, it's the same as insulting women for menstruating or blaming their behavior on their 'lady hormones'. It's especially shitty and I don't believe there is any question that justifies that kind of answer from Jules. If Jules had a problem with any of the women's behavior, she is absolutely free to address that....Jules chose to insult and age shame the ladies and that reveals Jules to be an asshole, no matter what questions she was asked.
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2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:
Look, Jules was getting a dig in, a total of 3 times, early on in the season. It's not like she kept doing/saying it all dam season long and she realized she was wrong to make age comments and stopped. But, Yes, I do think what Bethenny/Carole did to her all dang season out weighs her age digs. Oh, and those digs were aimed at all the women fighting, not just Bethenny/Carole, all of them. How many times have we all said that these women act more like Jr HS kids than 45+ year old adult women, so the comment wasn't wrong, it was on point. LOL
Well, we don't know how long Jules made the comments, just when the editors decided to put them in the season. I don't think it makes a difference when the timeline was...it happened. Multiple times.
As far as any other comments, I don't understand why behavior can't be addressed at any age. If someone is being rude, or stupid, or ridiculous....OK, call that out. Insulting women by saying they are old enough to be your mother and should know better is just unnecessary. Blaming their behavior on being menopausal is bordering on sexist and is definitely unnecessary. Jules was an asshole and should be called out as such, not given a pass just because she was insulting Bethenny and Carole. IMO
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1 minute ago, WireWrap said:
Yes, the 3 times Jules jabbed them about their age in a TH segment, it was done as an insult. Now, all the times Bethenny and Carole jabbed at Jules about her ED/weight throughout the entire season, done on camera and in their TH segments, make Jules age digs mild in comparison IMO. But YMMV.
This feels like politics, a point is made or question is asked about one candidate, a and the answer is how the other candidate is shittier. Jules age-shamed the other ladies. It's shitty, it's unacceptable and I would say it's bordering on sexist with the menopause comments. That's my opinion.
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20 hours ago, WireWrap said:
Yes, they were very early in the season but she had met the women by then. I think 1 of her menopause comments came in a TH when Bethenny/Carole were so nasty to her/Michael at their Hamptons house when they snuck out. And the other 1 was at the bra party, again in a TH, when Bethenny and Ramona were jumping Dorinda about John. Each times she made an age/menopause comment it was directly after she witnessed the others either going in on someone (Dorinda) or bad mouthing her/her home, they weren't out of the blue and the others were acting like Jr HS kids fighting. LOL
If Jules had a problem with the way the ladies were behaving, nothing was preventing her from addressing their behavior. Jules could have stated that the ladies were being rude, or catty, or assholes or even juvenile and immature if she wanted. Instead, she chose to insult them by calling them "menopausal" (THE HORROR!! Old women!!!!) and make sure that everyone knew that she was young and fertile and these women were old enough to be her mother. Jules age-shamed them. No ifs, ands or buts about it. Jules chose to use their old age as a way to insult them. She could have addressed their behavior in a myriad of ways. Yet, she chose to insult their age. It was shitty when Brandi Glanville did it and it's shitty when Jules does it. IMO. MMV.
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1 hour ago, HunterHunted said:
LuAnn tries to be sneaky and stealth, but she doesn't have the discipline and fortitude intellectually or constitutionally to pull it off. Just compare and contrast the difference between Bethenny outting Tom's cheating and LuAnn's attempt to come for Bethenny and Dennis. Bethenny had dates, times, witnesses. Girl had receipts. LuAnn tries to brand Dennis and Bethenny as cheaters and has one person's story. Girl bye. She should have had paparazzi pictures. Pictures from events with Bethenny and the wife to refute Bethenny's claim that she's never really met the wife.
Or her season 5 storyline that she and Jacques were trying to have a kid. LuAnn's own mother outed that story as a straight up lie at the season 5 Bravo premiere party.
Her dalliance with the pirate is another time where LuAnn's pathetic attempts to be sneaky burned her. If you're trying to be sneaky don't bring him to the house, don't try to cover it up while on camera, and don't try to cover it up by speaking french which is a language you know that the show has accurately subtitled in the past and that your boyfriend actually speaks.
I don't think she has any idea about bad she is at this. She's kind of a lazy dumbass when it comes to sneaky shit stirring. She should just own it, be brash and charming and just toss gossip grenades and stroll along.
EXACTLY!!!! LuAnn's first instinct is to LIE and DENY. I can't stand that shit. Her response to Andy bringing up her saying she had an open marriage was to deny she ever said that, when she said it on the show multiple times and she saw herself say it on the show. LuAnn is a fake ass phony trying to play Countess. Daaaahhhling.
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52 minutes ago, pbutler111 said:
Jules told the women at the start of the season that she's upfront about her eating disorder because she wants people to call her on her behavior, which will help in her recovery. However, any time anyone's done that, she's gone berserk on them and started whining about how insensitive people are and how she almost died. On the other hand, I don't recall any of the women saying, "If anyone sees me aging, please call me on that behavior so I can get that in check."
Amen. THIS!!!! Yes, please. Thank you.
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3 hours ago, njbchlover said:
Bethenny is such a narcissist that she will NEVER admit that she is wrong or that she did anything wrong. She needs to realize this now, otherwise, she is going to be a very lonely woman as she gets older.
I just don't see this, Bethenny pretty much always admits that she acts terrible. She did it in the Berkshires, she did it regarding what happened with Sonja, I mean, she did it at the reunion when Andy told her she was acting hostile.....her response was "OK". This was during the discussion where the yelling, slurring, gesticulating, berating Dorinda Meddler tried to protest that she doesn't brow beat anyone!! LOL
I don't see Bethenny as someone who can NEVER admit she is wrong or did anything wrong, I think Bethenny is very in tune with her faults and will readily and openly admit them. Whether she can or has tried to change them is a different story....but admitting them? I feel like she's got that part down pat.
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4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:
He brought up how they went at Jules ED or that Jules made 3 comments about age/menopause early in the season? Either way, Dorinda was not saying that Jules needed to be coddled/treated more gently because she is younger than the rest. And, it was Carole who said she/Jules were in the same "generation". LOL
Andy brought up the menopausal age comments (or shaming if anyone but Jules had said them) that Jules made....which Jules defended by saying they were jokes and Dorinda tried to justify.
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13 minutes ago, WireWrap said:
I disagree. Jules was talking about how Bethenny/Carole kept talking about her weight/ED (BTW, something Bethenny totally denied [insert eye roll]) and Carole brought up the 2 or 3 times Jules talked about their ages/menopause early in the season. Carole went as far as to claim she and Jules are in the same "generation" and Dorinda was quick to point out that they were not. That is how the conversation happened and it was about how Bethenny/Carole treated Jules about her ED, not her age.
Actually, Andy brought it up as a viewer question.
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7 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:
Thanks Castina, so that makes Bethenny a big fat LIAR. No way she didn't see this in the news. So her feigning shock was a misdirection. I knew there was something off about the SURPRISE Bethenny claimed.
I did not get the impression Bethenny was surprised by just learning about Ramona's involvement at the reunion. When Sonja brings it up, she says "how about the friends that were going to do Tipsy Girl, the friends that signed the contract..." and Bethenny interrupts to say to Ramona "yeah, Sonja said that you were going to do it"....so Bethenny knew prior to the reunion. They taped in July, that article was May, so yeah, it was a new piece of info in terms of the show.
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1 hour ago, rue721 said:
Does it matter whether Jules and Carol are both (honorary) Gen Xers or not? The point is that seventeen years is a significant age difference. Carol looked strange when she got all flustered at the reunion and tried to pretend otherwise.
Technically, my boyfriend is Gen X and I'm a Millennial. But we're only seven years apart, and I would raise my eyebrow if someone started talking about our "generation gap." I think that the actual age difference is what's more important. Plus, he and I are in the same stage in our lives. I don't think that's true of Jules and Carol either.
In any case, I think that Carol is struggling with a midlife crisis. She's got a much-younger boyfriend and her current career has stalled out -- pretty classic signs. That's OK (and could honestly would have the potential to be the most interesting storyline on the show) but Carol is in denial-land right now. So instead, we just get a lot of scenes of her acting insecure/defensive, sour, and weird.
I don't think it matters that much except for all of the protestations that Carole and Jules were generations apart! People born 18-20 years apart can be a part of the same generation, so yes, it's a significant age difference but not one that precludes them from being in the same generation, which is what Carole said. I don't think the age difference was an issue until Jules used it to insult the old motherly menopausal hags. I mean, I can't imagine why Carole might be sour about that! LOL!
That said, I don't consider Jules and Carole to be that far apart in terms of their station in life, even considering that Carole is single and dating and Jules is married with children. I would consider them peers and I believe at least in terms of the show, that's what they are supposed to be.
But MMV.
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S09.E02: It Girl, Interrupted
in The Real Housewives Of New York City
Was CBK's family upset?