FoxyVixen

I agree with EVERYTHING you're saying. Its just infuriating how they're wasting what could have been an entertaining watch, with crappy writing! There is also a huge plot hole. If Randall's girlfriend had managed to lock herself in her head while they still used the keys, one of her friends obviously would have let her out. And if they where to dumb to realize what had happened, surely they would have peeked in her head, if nothing else to figure out what had happened, before letting her get sent off to the loony bin. And after they stopped using them she couldn't have, since the guy who burned himself to death where the only one who knew where it was (hidden in the house.) And if she for some unphantomable reason had broken in, found it and used it, then it wouldn't have been hidden again for Bode to find. Most of the time the characters are just stupid, and their actions and motivations makes no sense, but I guess you can excuse it with "they are all enormous idiots." But this is a HUGE plot hole.

The writing is more then questionable, its down right stupid. No one is that stupid in real life. Oh, and when you KNOW you share a home with a psychopath, and you have decided to fight him, why not bring all the keys and the stupid crown WITH you the first time, so you don't have to go back?! And if you are an idiot, and didn't, at least make sure that the killer psycho isn't home, before you take his/her precious crown! The writing is inexcusably bad, and it totally destroys what could've been an entertaining series. When you make all characters out to be idiots, to many times, just to further the plot, its just lazy. Ah, almost forgot. Yes, that makes no sense either. They had clearly tried the echo key previously, and it obviously worked, and they already had the "anywhere key" to let them out of the gate house. There is just no chance a couple teenagers (or anyone really) wouldn't have tried that. "But then there would be no story" someone will say. Of course there would be. You would just have to write it smarter. This next part isn't as big a deal, but it clearly makes no sense to divide some keys, and hide some keys. I mean you would do one or the other, whatever you thought was safest, not both.

I said exactly the same thing. No, excuse me, I was screaming it, at the TV. I Can't stand idiotic characters. Its one thing if they didn't have time to get it, or Couldn't get to it, but they didn't even try?! The second you realize you have an intruder, especially having already dealt with an intruder in the past (with poor outcome) you go get the music box! Just to be on the safe side. Frustrating!

Yes, that is one of the fan wank solutions I proposed, but that's still all that is. I can hand wave a lot of things, but not this. If that is the solution they are going with, they still have to show us that. Because as it stands it is a major plot hole. I could've accepted that solution, no problem if they've shown it to me. but they didn't, and that makes me irritated at the writers. Something so important, but easily fixable, should be shown on screen. We shouldn't have to make up reasons as to how a dead guy brought Felicity to Oliver. They just shouldn't miss that big of a problem. 😝

I'm also very curious as to how this new combined earth works? How many worlds exactly got combined? And obviously one earth can't hold neither the people of 33+ (999?) earths, or the buildings of multiple worlds. So where did the people there weren't room for go? How where the people that got to stay chosen? For example, If Supergirl are living on the same earth as the arrow people now, what happened to the old National city that used to be on earth one? Did it just straight up get replaced? Where does the replacement line go, that separates the puzzled together cities /worlds? Will people notice, like "oh no, my favorite coffee place was one block over, but that didn't make the cut when Earth -33s national city was cut, pasted, and Tetrised together into a singular new world." What happened to the people who lived in Earth - ones National City? Did they just disappear? Or are there doublets of everyone running around? Are there two catCo buildings now? Are there two cat grants? Do they have identical apartments and drivers licences? (I know she has moved away, but she was the first character that came to mind for some reason.) 🤪 Most logically this isn't the case, but then what happened to earth one's national city? (Not to mention the national cities of Earth-2 to Earth- 999, or how any many where combined.) There where some (by some) beloved characters from Earth two, who featured semi regularly on the flash. In the original timeline, earth two was wiped out. But so was the rest of the universe.. so now everything is possible again right? So potentially some of the characters from earth two, might also have been "re-spawned" just like everyone else? So potentially Earth two's Harry Wells, might be living on this world, right? Oh no, 🥺 I just realized I'm gonna miss the comic relief of the counsel of Wellses. It could be to much at times, but it was also quite amusing from time to time. Unless Oliver brought a shit ton of Harry Wellses to this earth for some unphantomable reason. (Probably not.)😉 And how about the histories of each world? Earth one basically didn't have an alien problem, excempting the stray dominator attack. 😉 But Supergirls world, where crawling with aliens! So are their histories combined now? I Cant remember what Mon Els race was called, but when his people attacked the earth, and the atmosphere was seeded with kryptonite, did that happen on this world now too? So does everyone know about aliens now? can aliens turn up in star city now? Are meta humans going to be as common in national city (Supergirl) as in Central city? (Flash.) Are there still an Argos? (Or whatever the world was called, where Supergirls mother lives.) And did Oliver personally choose who lived /died/was replaced /was wiped out of existence? or did it just happen? (He seems to have had some control, or he wouldn't have brought back so many family members.) But how does he know what people are important to other people? Barry for example, loves /cares for a lot of different people on different earths. Is Oliver omnicent enough to be able to pick and choose that everyone Barry loves, also lives on this world? And how the f*ck did he have the time to do that for everyone? (And where does the line go, how many people did he try to accommodate in his tailored world?) (And then let's not even touch the subject of how ethical it is to create a world based on who one person cares about. That's a topic for another day.)😜 Are there going to be overlap? So that some people in one city gets replaced by their doppelganger from another earth? What if a couple suddenly becomes husband from earth 1, and the same wife, but from earth 4, so she has different memories? Was there some try to be proportionate in how much was saved /recreated from each world? What do people remember /know exactly? Is it common knowledge that there where multiple earths out there? Will people who where already in the know, miss the people who disappeared? The world where Cisco's previous girlfriend came from for example, their society and laws where different from ours. If her city ends up on this world, will they still have the same laws and memories of their society? This has to be a culture chock on a massive scale. What happens to the laws of the universe, are they combined from the different worlds? OMG, SO MANY QUESTIONS!! Am I a wierdo? ☺️ am I the only one who cant wrap my brain around how this world will work? 🤪 I wonder if the writers has put in even half the time that I have thought about this. 😉

PLEASE HELP ME! =P I'm VERY confused about HOW Felicity ended up with Oliver?! I wouldn't call it a plot hole exactly? But something is seriously amiss. I'm very surprised no one else has mentioned this. I mean first of all, the dark 2040 future got erased, - that never happened, as star city became some kind of crime free nirvana. So she didn't go to him then (as we where first shown) - as that never became a reality! (And if she did, then there are two Felicity's, one from the dark 2040, currently canoodeling with Oliver in the afterlife/timebubble, and another Felicity living with her kids in the happy version of star city?!) So what happens with the happy Felicity then, when she dies? Does she never get to see him again? Or does she also go to the same afterlife, so then all of a sudden Oliver has two wives? Or do they become combined into one person, retaining both their memories? No, none of that makes ANY sense, because that future got over-written when they made a new universe, so to be clear, she didn't go to him as we where first shown in the dark sad future that Mia grew up in. (Even though that was the clip they used to show her leaving, which makes the whole situation hella confusing.) And "their" monitor died, in the final fight when they lost the multiverse, so he couldn't bring her to Oliver. I must have a terrible memory, because I honestly don't remember if the monitor ended up surviving in the new timeline? Supergirl was fighting with Lex, and he was there, but I don't remember if he survives? But even if he did, he wouldn't be the monitor they knew, because they went back to the start and fixed everything before he even had a chance to ever "become" the monitor they knew. Because he only became the monitor to fix his mistake. But in this timeline they fixed it before he had a chance to become "their" monitor. So in this reality he never became the monitor, and following that change, he never comes to know the paragons, or even who Oliver is, and as such, he wouldn't even know that he needed to bring Felicity to him?! So there is a serious flaw in the story here?! Time travel hurts my scull, so I might have missed something, or mixed something up, but as the story is presented right now, I just don't see how she could've been brought to Oliver by the monitor. It makes no sense! And I'm not saying it Cant be fixed with some fan wank, but as the story is presented right now, the writers seriously missed something! Can someone please help me make sense of this? I seriously hate it when storylines are written so completely into a knot, that the writers themselves don't even realize that what they are telling us doesn't work, based on the story they've laid out. For example, I could explain it so that Oliver in his almighty specter-ness, somehow contacts the monitor, explains the situation, and asks him to bring Felicity to him when 20 years have passed since he was killed. But then they have to tell us or show us that! I shouldn't have to make sh*t up, to cover for holes in the story, that could easily be patched with simple explanations. Or did I miss something? I'm pretty sure I got it right though, if I just interpret the story as they've told it to me. Someone please help me, I'm right aren't I? There's something missing from the story to justify how the monitor could've brought her to him. Ahrg, like I said, my brain feels like a pretzel just thinking about it. =P Thanks though, for sharing this experience with me, and enabling me to read your thoughts. Its very interesting and cathartic. Bye! =D / First time writer, long time lurker, and please excuse my English as it isn't my first language. - K