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I got that he wiped the residue left in the vessel on his gums, so as to get every bit of his lessened dose of the "PTS cocktail".
...but I could be wrong.
When Billy and Isaac were talking (prior to Isaac going out onto the ice), at one point Isaac moved towards Billy and Billy said "Isaac don't". It was after Billy answered Isaac's question about why he's still his friend by saying because you're the only one left in this town that makes me feel like I'm worth anything (paraphrasing). What was Billy trying to stop Isaac doing?
Re: the significance of the jacket that bore the #51 that Sheriff Dell hid? The Kid that fought Billy said #51 Linebacker... we played you at county, senior year... So it looks like someone was trying to frame Billy for killing whoever was laying there [at The mill] dead. Damn that kid has some bad luck.
ETA: The dead body is apparently the Officer Sheriff Dell fired, Pete Novick.
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2 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:
I understand what you’re saying- but Trey didn’t EARN the money that went to buy the apartment. Trey went to medical school because he wanted to, and yes he probably lives on his own salary but money isn’t a concern because if he hadn’t decided to go to medical school he still would’ve lived well.
If Trey was a “typical doctor” I think he would’ve been more concerned with gifting the apartment because he would’ve worked to buy it. But it appears Trey’s family was EXTREMELY wealthy- there were other properties, he had plenty of other places to live.
Also- Trey gifted Charlotte the apartment because he knew that they DID discuss having children, it was important to her and when he agreed to marry her he also wanted them. Only when it looked like it wasn’t going to go “sex=baby” he realized maybe it was for the best, and he didn’t have the yearning to have children Charlotte had.
I think Trey felt he re-nigged on his part of the marriage- between his impotence and then the baby thing, he felt Charlotte had done her job as a wife but they just didn’t want the same things, so the apartment was a gift to “make it right” with her.
🤔I see what you're saying, and I'm sure that's why Trey did nice things like tell everyone Charlotte was a wonderful wife and that's also why he showed up to the photo shoot with a smile on his face and made her dream of looking like the ideal beautiful young couple in House and Garden magazine happen.
However even if he and his family are really wealthy, I still can't see a man giving a gift worth several million to someone he's known what, under a year? He did joke about having to eat Ramen noodles if they went with Charlotte's first choice of china pattern... which I'm sure was just a joke. Still, I don't believe wealthy people do such frivolous things with money as gift N.Y.C. apartments worth several million. It just didn't seem believable to me.
You know what also bugged me? When Charlotte said "Oh I paid for that apartment!"
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On 9/7/2021 at 10:05 PM, Black Knight said:
I assumed the prenuptial came from Bunny and the family lawyers and was modeled on the standard prenuptial for the family, and Trey basically had nothing to do with it other than hand the paperwork to Charlotte.
Trey was not perfect but handing out bonuses only for sons and not daughters isn't something I think he would do. He wasn't engaged (pun not intended) in the process. He was used to his mother handling the legalities and likely figured that he didn't need to care about the details because of course he and Charlotte wouldn't get divorced.
That was an early red flag for sure, that he and Charlotte didn't discuss the prenuptial together at all. He dropped a template on her, she took it to Miranda who told her it was normal to negotiate, and then Charlotte negotiated with Bunny instead of Trey.
In that light, it's not surprising that Trey then just went and gave the apartment to Charlotte, and declared that she was to be given anything she wanted. Those are the kinds of gestures that someone who has never really involved themselves in the details of anything financial would make. His mother and the family lawyers and accountants always did all that.
IDK, I have to take a bit of an opposing view on this. I too heard Trey say to Charlotte, It's standard, everyone in the family has one. (paraphrasing).
However I can't see Trey not concerning himself at all with the wording of the prenup and then taking such a stand with Bunny(and the attorney representing him) that he intervenes in the settlement proceedings with a last minute telegram from overseas. I'm betting if Trey and Charlotte discussed china patterns, they discussed having children.
A couple of things: accomplished men like doctors are rarely also tall, athletic, and good looking. So this good looking doctor isn't set on passing his genes down to children who will carry his name? That would make him an exceedingly rare individual.
Secondly, while a doctor in Manhattan no doubt earns very well, he still is a person who goes to work every day. He's not one of the idle rich. Who has 5, 10, maybe even 20 million to gift a woman they've been married to for a few months?
That divorce settlement would've set all kinds of world records!
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On 9/7/2021 at 9:32 AM, Ms Blue Jay said:
And we all know how the writers treated Samantha, a fan favourite. When the writing and producing is so bad that one of your four major stars actually leaves and would rather earn no money than work with you........ maybe you're doing something wrong?
SO TRUE. Can you imagine having signed on to do the 2nd SATC movie with people you trusted (the writers and producers), and then having to act that drivel? The woman deserves a medal!
... and damages.
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Trey.
OMG was that some shitty writing, or what? Trey's interest in having a child was so surface and so fleeting that at the first sign of Charlotte being a little more emotional than usual while on bloody Estrogen shots... that's it. Done. Over. Doesn't even want to talk about adoption.
He said: I'd be alright if it was just the two of us, but I don't think you would be. (paraphrasing)
Yet the prenup Charlotte had Miranda look over specified how much of a half mil (later changed to a mil) Charlotte would get for each year they stayed married what was it after 10 years? or of 10 years?
Anyway the relevant part (to this convo) being it paid a 50k bonus for each boy child. At lunch the girls asked "for girls?" and Miranda replied "nothing".
Does that really sound like someone who has only a casual interest in having children?
2nd point. Trey knew he had a history of impotence. Being a doctor and probably in his mid to late thirties; wouldn't he have likely had himself checked out nice and quietly by a doctor he knew prior to meeting someone, marrying them and introducing a document that has clauses relevant to her producing children from said marriage?
Then after a marriage that lasted what, a few months? Trey insists Charlotte be given an apartment that was probably worth several million dollars. Could have been 10 or 20 million.
as long as I've been alive men have been getting married less and less because they fear losing half of everything they own and some of their future earnings in divorce court.
... but Dr. Trey McDougal insists Charlotte profit by about 2 or 3 million for each month of their brief marriage?
Yeah, sure! I believe that.
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1 hour ago, izabella said:
I think his sudden realizations were because read her book where she makes a point of how he had broken her heart a million times. He kept reading and quoting from it the entire time in San Francisco.
Yes, she said something like you've read my columns before and he said yes, but not all in one sitting, that was tough to take. (something like that... again,paraphrasing). I just wonder where all that insight went after the S.F. book talk s5 ep7 ? They have him discussing all their ups and downs since the beginning including when he wouldn't give her a key to his apartment. That didn't seem like Big and I never again saw signs of this newfound awareness and reticence to hurt Carrie.
I know we're discussing the series here and not so much the movies (and believe me I'd like to forget them), but when Charlotte squeals with delight in that restaurant scene in the 1st movie she says "she has been going out with the man for 10 years!" So after the finale where he went to Paris to get her they went back to seeing each other (no doubt completely on his terms). If they had lived together I doubt Charlotte would have referred to it as 10 years of going out with him.
IDK. `shrugs`
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2 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:
That was before he got sick right? The entire "ex sex" thing probably wouldve been fine, if Big had not iced Carrie out after she came to take care of him after his heart surgery. I do think that was before, because the San Francisco scenes were in Season 5 when SJP was pregnant.
I don't actually recall which happened first ... Big's heart thing or their meet up in S.F.. Either way, Carrie had experienced plenty of hurt as a result of wanting something heavy and exclusive with Big and he not being in the same place. Some say Carrie misread the signals and had no one to blame but herself, which is a valid point. Suddenly on that day in the bookstore and then in the hotel we get Big saying I never realized how much I hurt you. I'm not good for you. Where I'm concerned obviously you don't see things clearly, etc. (paraphrasing).
It's beyond strange and unbelievable to portray him as taking all that on himself at one moment in time, and never seeing things that way before of after that moment in time.
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3 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:
I think Big genuinely LIKED/ENJOYED Carrie (as a person and sexually) but he did not WANT Carrie long term. He never tried to lock it down despite years of her telling him she wanted a commitment from him- if not a legal commitment an emotional one.
After Big got sick he realized he was all alone, he had screwed up TWO marriages by cheating (Big was honest in admitting he fucked up his own marriages by cheating, he never tried to blame Natasha or his first wife for what happened). Even when he got sick, he wasnt like "look Carrie I was an asshole, I want to be with you, please forgive me for all I have done." She came to take care of him and he just blew her off and acted like a jerk in the morning and THEN months later tried to get her back.
I just cannot with Big.
I realize the writers have to move the story and characters along from point A to B to C, but I thought it was totally ridiculous to give Big one day in time where he sees so clearly that he's bad for Carrie. That episode where Carrie and Samantha take a train to San Francisco and Carrie plans to have sex with Big because there's been no man in her life for a while.
Suddenly they didn't portray it was going to be anything but that; Carrie wasn't thinking of getting Big back in her life or getting him to move back to N.Y.C. or anything along those lines. Then Big acts like he's been shot up with truth serum or borrowed a woman's psyche for the day and he now sees all the ways he's hurt or disappointed Carrie. He's so mindful of the damage he's done over the years that he refuses to bed her and risk doing further damage.
...until they're almost ready to get on a plane for home. Then it's like a switch is flipped and all that goes out the window never to be spoken about again. WTF?
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If Berger had been the way he was at the dinner with Carrie and friends where he fields Miranda's dating dilemma and the conversation was poppin', I'd probably have liked him for her.
...but Carrie criticizing the scrunchie bit was enough to kill the vibe?
Plus, not being able to go in to the premier with Carrie because he's so bummed his book is in the bargain bin while she just got a big advance?
When Carrie told the girls they had to do bits like reenact movie kisses on the streets of N.Y.C. to ease the dull moments... the looks on the girls' faces! Carrie knew then what she had to do.
It would have been much more interesting if it actually played out with them clicking on all cylinders due to the writing connection and the conversations remained lively. Maybe they would have carried that spark in the bedroom? Unfortunately they portrayed things getting really dry early on and gave him the above weenie moves culminating in the biggest one... dumping her via post it.
When I try to think who would've been best for Carrie, I didn't observe much chemistry between she and Aiden, or with Aleks. It did come across to me with Big, but if he had been the right one there wouldn't have been a decade of all that angst and push-pull she went through with him. Not to mention seeing him date, romance and even marry others!
Not just because I read the press for AJLT, but I'm betting Carrie and Big the couple wouldn't last. Though she wanted him the most, her having to wait over a decade for him to decide she was the one after exploring other options would never be far from her mind.
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3 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:
Berger is cute, funny, witty. He's like Carrie in those ways. He's like a male Carrie except more privileged, and more bitter about the world. He's like Carrie with edge, like the dark side of Carrie. He even had 3 friends like Carrie. LOL. What if Carrie had family money but no column? What if Aidan had cheated on *her* instead of the reverse?
I really like Ron Livingston. I think he's attractive and I think he gave a lot of depth to Berger. I think he made Berger a bit more interesting than the writers wrote him.
Though the writers did a great job on their own too. Because of both the post-it note and telling Miranda "He's just not that into you", the character of Berger left an iconic stamp on the show. Aleks didn't do anything that memorable. I don't even think Aidan did. An entire book was written based off "He's Just Not That Into you". An entire movie was made.
Carrie could be carelessly blunt with people too. Carrie and Berger were alike and they were the same age (SJP is even two years older than Ron). I didn't realize that John Corbett is a few years older than SJP and Ron Livingston is two years younger.
All right we'll blame the writers for making him a crummy boyfriend. 'cause they kinda did.
That "He's just not that into you" is HUGE!!!
That's not just a contribution to SATC, but to womankind. There is no way to make a man who's not into you the one, and when a man wants to be with you his actions will tell you so.
If there's one thing I could go back and tell my teenage self...
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I never liked Berger and sort of felt like I was being unfair to him, but really what was there to like?
He's wasn't steller in the looks department... kind of a dweeb. He's mad insecure. He didn't know if he wanted in or out of a relationship and didn't know enough to chill out until he wasn't freaking out when his ex Lauren called. You're done when your don't feel anything.
AND he's so bad in bed you notice the M 1 11 buss outside making the stops?
Carrie should have skipped that whole chapter and just stayed pining away for Big. It's interesting isn't it? While he was the one she wanted and always went back to, in the interim she had a lot of... ahem,
relationships.
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4 hours ago, ifionlyknew said:
I read the Carrie Diaries and I don't remember her name being short for Caroline.
No way do I believe Carrie was intended to be an anti heroine. To this day I believe SJP doesn't see her that way.
I'd be shocked if anyone here thought that anti-heroine BS was intentional... or if more than 2% of the viewing audience could be convinced to see it that way.
I don't even dislike Carrie or the actress who played her. They just way overdid the focus on Carrie once we get to know the 3 other women through her in season one.
....and you can just tell the writers and producers thought every scream and every whiny outburst and every overly dramatic line read "I spent 40,000 thousand dollars on shoes?" [hand on heart]... was pure gold.
Most of the time I find the show and SJP's work very enjoyable. The other actresses as well. That's why I'll watch just about anytime it's on cable and nothing much else is.
As an aside $3.2 an episode is just obscene!
...but sometimes as time went on, some of Carrie's performances took on an odd overblown overdone quality where the other principal's didn't. As has been said before, it's like the character was smarter and more sharply drawn in the beginning. Like with the whole "You're the Chrysler Building!" spiel and similar scenes we've discussed.
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1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:
I get HBO Max with my cell phone included. I would check with your internet/cell provider, and log in with those credentials after you download the app on your smart tv or device.
Thanks so much.
It requires signing in to the cable/internet provider w/ my mum's account log in and password. Either getting her to find her password (in a dedicated book, no less) or change it to a new one is quite challenging. Just went through it with her yesterday with Paypal.
See she's getting a bit forgetful, so I suggest she write the new password down FIRST in the book with the website and the date... but of course I'm incorrect and there is no need. She inevitably chooses some jumble of her children's b'days and her street number from where she grew up in London and she proudly proclaims I know I'll never forget that.🙄
I tend to put shows I've seen many times Like SATC , Law and Order etc on in the background when I'm on the computer.
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7 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:
That's terrible. They could just bleep the "Fucking" and leave in the rest. So silly.
I only watch SATC on HBO because they won't cut anything. Easy for me to say though it's included in my building fees 😄
I'm being lazy not taking the time to figure out how to fly HBOMax which comes with our subscription. This should give me even more motivation. I've already been wanting to do it to watch the HBO series ROME.
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1 minute ago, Ms Blue Jay said:
Episode 210:
Listen...I know what you're really pissed off about.
It's just something I gotta do in my own time. Okay?
I fucking love you. All right? You know I do.
Good morning.
It's just a tough thing for me to say...
...because it always seems to get me in trouble when I say it.
Okay?
Okay.
Are we okay?
We're great. I love you, too. I'll call you later, okay?Episode 212:
Maybe I can't do this anymore.
I understand.
I bet you do. You said you loved me.
I do.
Then why does it hurt so fucking much?Oh yeah, E cut just about all that from s2 ep10!
Now I remember the s2 ep12 part.
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1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:
Remember when they were friends and she came over to his apartment and he was leaving for Napa in 2 days and hadn't even said anything, and then just LEFT the apartment empty with a plane ticket? (weren't they supposed to go out to dinner, but Brady was born right?) Now of course the man had a right to catch his scheduled flight, but if I was moving out of state I wouldve let my "friend" know with more than a few days time!
In my head I'm hearing Fathead Newman [Ray Charles' trumpet player played by Bokeem Woodbine in the movie Ray] say "That's cold".
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20 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:
He does say I love you throughout the series a few times. Carrie said it first in like Season 2, and then he didn't, and then he called her and said "I fucking love you okay?" (I think that's how it went.)
I think he might have said it during their affair and maybe after his heart episode but I could be wrong on both counts.
I wonder if Big calling and saying "I fucking love you, alright" is cut from the edited version shown on the E channel I usually catch? because when I try to remember what happened after she said it, all I can recall is him saying look, it's just something I have to do in my own time. I could be wrong though. I'm thinking of the episode where his NOT saying it holds up their going away together.
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5 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:
Yeah, Big was just concerned about how he had already been married twice before and it's bad press 😄 Ouuuuuuch for the woman who waited for 10 years for him to commit!
Ouch is right!
I always wish they'd have cast someone else in the role of Big so I could really hate on him, but I find the actor Chris Noth so likeable. He's like an old familiar TV friend from years of watching so many Law and Order episodes. I've seen him in a movie or two as well.
but, dam! Big's actions are that of a spineless unromantic jerk who demands everything on his terms. Throughout the series does he even say I love you to Carrie? Possibly in the finale... or does he just tell her she's the one?
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4 minutes ago, qtpye said:
I don’t think Big was a slow learner. I think he just never bothered.
His looks, wealth, and charm has allowed him to get away with a lot in his life when it comes to woman. Certainly, Carrie was more than happy to receive scraps of affection from him.
I think Aleks’ character was a plot device that did the following :1. Allow the final season to play with being an over the top fantasy.
2. Make Carrie not look like a gold digger when she went with Big.
It was kind of like see, Carrie had another insanely rich man crazy about her so she’s not just picking Big because of his bank balance.
We all saw right through that! [you're right though]
Now to finish flogging this dead horse:
Big being clueless, not terribly generous or just a rapacious thoughtless user of women... when they got back to NYC at the end of the series would have been the time for a romantic traditional marriage proposal on a grand scale with an appropriate engagement ring. Instead he did what, for the next 4 years? Dated her? Had her sleep over sometimes?
Then in dreadful movie #1 when it's been 10 years and they discuss whether they should get married, doesn't he ask her should I get you an engagement ring? To which Carrie answers just build me a really big closet.
This dude doesn't have a romantic bone in his body!
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1 minute ago, Ms Blue Jay said:
I understand. I agree, Smith is a saint. I can't find fault with him. They certainly got their signals crossed in LA though. I'll see how I feel when I rewatch those movies. I did feel bad for Sam when she did the sushi. LOL.
When I read your post above like she created him, I heard Samantha's convo with Carrie in my head where she said Smith has moves, most of them I taught him. They'd been discussing Carrie's budding romance with Aleks... a real power player in Sam's words.
When I read she basically created his career, it made a lot more sense, because she did throw all her P.R. experience and abilities behind him and made him a star, not just some unknown actor who's good at what he does. International movie star at that! So a decent thank you gift was indeed appropriate.
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13 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:
Well he's also based on Candace Bushnell's longtime partner Ron Galotti.
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/a21095035/ron-galotti-meet-the-man-who-inspired-mr-big/
I mean, he is a slow learner. He's not that type of guy - with Carrie, anyway. Smith is different. Also, Samantha basically CREATED Smith's career for him. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it was nice of him to make that gesture. Smith had been pursuing something serious with Sam from the beginning. He wanted to hold hands and be lovey dovey and all that.
...and that wasn't even one of the top five most memorable romantic things Smith did for her! Samantha might have helped him up his sex game with her breadth of experience, but I think Smith was a very self possessed self aware twenty something. He knew from jump he wanted to get to know her and be in a serious monogamous relationship even when given a hall pass.
Also he stuck by her through her illness and treatment when she lost her sex drive and didn't look her best and all that. 😪😪😪😪 He waited for her to see her home when she went upstairs with Richard because he knew she was doing something self destructive... for God's sake! Let me stop. You all know by now I think the guy was a Saint.
MsBlueJay
I jumped to Smith's defense there because I missed the word career when I first read your post. I read it like she basically created him. Sorry, now I see what you meant
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Even Smith bought Samantha a 50k Diamond cocktail ring. Considering Big's money and years of experience with women, I'd say he's a s-l-o-w-w-w learner. If his character was really patterned after a NYC real estate magnate whose name was a household word (even at that time), buying jewelry like that would be like most dudes buying their girlfriend a purse; and not a Birkin, either. He's been through a lot of women not to know what they'd find a romantic or memorable gift.
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It's kind of odd that they only showed Big giving Carrie one gift that I can recall, the crystal duck purse. In contrast they showed Aleks giving Carrie that 55k rough cut Diamond + Platinum necklace. Apparently Fred Leighton designed the necklace for the SATC series at SJP's request... so a good amount of thought went into it.
Were the writers and producers making a statement that Aleks was generous and Big was not? Remember in dreadful SATC movie #2 she's still having to tell Big "a piece of jewelry would have been nice" when exchanging anniversary gifts.
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30 minutes ago, ifionlyknew said:
Big also afforded Carrie the lifestyle she wanted. Carrie might have gotten a lot of money from her book but Big had major bucks. And I think in her mind she thought in for a penny in for a pound. She had been with him so long may as well stay with him.
Absolutely.
That's why I say I think of Carrie as being quite materialistic.
Don't you love the image of her picking up the rough cut Diamonds from the necklace Petrovsky gave her as she's fleeing from him because he hit her!
But for Big being a mogul worth possibly 100's of millions, I think the character we'd gotten to know over the years would have happily ended it with that speech she made when he drove up to her apartment the night she was leaving for Paris. He took way too long and jerked her around way too much.
...and then he took 4 more years after they got back together to propose?
It probably explains why she was so bitchy to him in dreadful movie #2.
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Thanks. That's what came to my mind too... but I thought it must be a wrong interpretation because a love interest probably wouldn't ask why are you still my friend?