[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

New Lisa Rinna product: tee-shirts that say "Kathy Hilton Gave Me Cancer!"

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

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It's interesting that people are still suggesting that it's doubtful that Kathy said what she said. 

Given the source(s), of course people would be doubtful.

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Rinna confronted her to her face, said she said cruel things, had a psychotic break, needs help and has a black heart.  Kathy didn't push back on anything and apologized multiple times to Kyle and Rinna. 

Kathy has pushed back. She accepted that she had a meltdown but denies she said what Rinna and Ericka are saying she said. Also, Kathy has yet to agree with Rinna that she had psychotic break or that she has a black heart.

And even though she apologized to Rinna, it still doesn't seem to be enough, since Rinna keeps coming after Kathy like a starving dog chasing a piece of steak.

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The hate for Rinna and Erika is clouding people's judgment.  

No, their past actions which involve the most curious relationship with the truth is what is leading people to have their opinions about Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber (you can decide which is which).

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Also, why would Kyle "defend" Kathy about a meltdown in which she was bashing Kyle?   Why is Kyle getting heat for being silent but Kathy is getting no heat for bashing Kyle?

When people say Kyle should "defend" Kathy, they mean she needs to grow a pair and tell Rinna to stop going after her sister.

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If it was Rinna who had the psychotic break, I think it would be scrutinized a lot harder.

Not by the HWs or Andy, that's for sure.

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

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I know there have been rumors since season 1

As a certain former HW would say, "Where dere's smoke, dere's fire".

[S02.E03: Dazed and Excused]

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She must be very lonely with Bobby gone.

I think her boyfriend makes her feel less lonely.

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

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I think Denise does not like or trust Rinna

Well, after Denise's stint on the show, is it surprising?

[Casting Speculation & Wish List]

Carnie would bring back cupcake parties!

Also, isn't she friends with Kim & Kyle?

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

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I haven't gone through all the pages, so sorry if this is a repost. They should have added, does not include PTSD, Lip injections, or being shook...

Is there a warning that this outfit might give you cancer?

[S12.E23: Reunion, Part 2]

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Kathy said so in the reunion which is totally different of what she said during the season, I'm sure because in the meantime she didn't convince Rinna to stop mentioning the incident/her lawyers couldn't silence everybody (including Bravo which didn't air everything anyway). She admitted she said terrible things about her sister, and the other women at Kyle's Encino house (Silence is Golden episode), and that she was cruel- she apologized to her sister, and Rinna. That's why I said she has zero credibility, and she is on a redemption tour by deflecting. 

But she never co-signed what Lisa said. She still admits she said things about Kyle but she didn't admit to the specific things Lisa claims Kathy said about the others. And she certainly didn't admit to using any slurs others are claiming she used.

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We don't know to whom Rinna reached that night because we were not told all the details, or they edited out because maybe some are not that important. The reunions tape from morning to night, and we see three 45 minute episodes.

Apparently, the only person Rinna reached out to was Ericka (or vice versa or whatever). Had she reached out to someone else, I think we would have heard about it given all the other "leaks" we get on HW shows.

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Kathy confided to Rinna because before the incident they were friendly and had no issues between them.

And Rinna certainly leveraged that her advantage, didn't she?

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There was no production to interfere that night (like in Kelly Bensimon's case),

But Lisa could have easily called them. But she didn't.

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

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Lisa didn't accuse Kathy of using slurs because she didn't hear them. Erika did. 

Which suggests she didn't use any slurs if our only witnesses are Rinna and Ericka.

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I don't think the info in Rinna's envelopes was useless just because we didn't hear about it. There was a lot of legal activity going on, we knew about some of it (Kathy's cease and desist letters that were mentioned on the show- Rinna received one), and we just found out about some other ones, like the HR investigation. 

If it hadn't been useless, Bravo would have used some of it.

Rinna received a cease and desist, but hasn't shut up about the issue. And it didn't stop Ericka from accusing Kathy of using a slur. At least she didn't Kathy the c-word on Kathy the way she and Diana used it on Sutton.

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Kathy was not caught because it was a private club (in Aspen), cameras were allowed, and I'm sure not cellphone videos either.

And her rage at Kyle's house wasn't caught either. So, we can either choose to believe Kathy or we can choose to believe Rinna and Ericka.

The majority of people seem to be choosing to believe Kathy, myself included, until there is more actual evidence of her saying what Rinna and Ericka say she did.

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I don't know what evidence/info Rinna had, but she had a large manila envelope, and we didn't see anything about it

Which makes anything about pure speculation and not any type of concrete evidence at all.

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Attorneys cannot stop everything from airing, etc. that why we saw some. But they managed to stop the story from getting repeated online for months, and I don't doubt certain details from airing on Bravo (eg. about the envelope). 

Yeah, no, not buying that at all. They can stop the Magic Manila Envelope That Will Prove To Us That Lisa Was Right About Kathy All Along, but they can't stop Lisa and Ericka from accusing her of certain things? Make it make sense, please!

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Kathy said that Rinna is the biggest bully in Hollywood. Well, Rinna is a nobody in Hollywood

Both statements can be true.

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

Does Dorit think any of them are more chic than the rest, or are they all equally chic?

[S12.E23: Reunion, Part 2]

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Kathy didn't deny anything of what Rinna specifically said. She could very easily say that she didn't say them. 

Kathy has said that Rinna and Ericka are lying about what she specifically said.

I suppose if someone hates Kathy enough, that doesn't count as a denial, but to each their own...

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Secondly, the women were fighting in the house constantly for days

But nobody was supposedly trashing the house the way Rinna was claiming that Kathy was...

[Shows That: Died Before Their Time, Never Got A Fair Shot, Or Were Ahead Of Their Time]

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I liked the Middle for that reason too. They really did struggle.

Roseanne did the same thing too...well, at least until the last few seasons.

[RHoBH in the Media]

I have a feeling Diana and Crystal will be let go, and a new HW will be added.

[RHoBH in the Media]

But most importantly (to Kyle), will the Hilton daughters be at the wedding?

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

Kyle had more energy for Crystal's comments about Sutton and Sutton's comments about Diana than she did for Rinna's comments about Kathy.

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

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Interesting that Crystal wasn't asked about Kathy's behavior at the club since she called the transportation. Was that because of cease and desist orders or to preserve her actual neighbor status with the Hiltons; probably more important in the long run than this gig.

I think Crystal said earlier in the season in a TH that she missed most of Kathy's meltdown at the club.

Also Crystal might have been asked by someone to call the the transportation, not something she took the initiative to do.

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Erika said that is what she heard Kathy say. I think it was Erika who was bleeped last night 

That's what I meant, I should have been more clear.

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Dorit's comment seemed fair, objective and gentle in its delivery but Kyle reacted as though Dorit had stepped way out of bounds. 

Kyle, like many a HW (not just on this show but all of them) believes friendship always means 100% support and agreement. And nothing else.

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

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The alleged slur old fucking f*****

I thought it was Ericka who said that, not Kathy.

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

While there was a quite a bit we didn't see in the reunion, one thing I definitely noticed that was missing was a milk carton with Sheree's picture on it.

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

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I love how everything backfired on Rinna. Fingers crossed that she's off the show and will be homeless, and maybe toothless soon! 

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

So we can expect them to go off a cliff sometime soon?

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

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also any footage of Rinna's dossier information from airing in the reunion. 

But we don't know for a fact what was what happened as why Rinna's information wasn't shown.

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The homophobic/racist slurs were too specific to be made up, so I don't doubt they are true. Kathy is like her children who were caught on tape (Paris), and in court records (Conrad) using those.

Anything can be made up.

Also, Kathy wasn't caught on tape using any words. Just because her kids, doesn't mean she has.

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Kathy deflected by attacking Rinna (this goes on for months) as the biggest bully in Hollywood which was not only hyperbolic, it was not even true.  Rinna is not even the biggest bully on this show. Did Kathy hear of Erika, Kyle, Camille, Diana, Brandi, and at times Crystal, Kim, Teddi, Yolanda, Carlton?

Are we even watching the same show? Rinna is the one going after Kathy like a starving dog going after a peace of steak, and has been making this an even bigger issue than it was. It's not hyperbole to say that Rinna claimed that she had moved on from the issue AND YET SHE KEEPS BRINGING IT UP.

Also, Rinna is the biggest bully on the show isn't hyperbolic, since her reign of terror has lasted quite a bit longer.

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I don't think Kathy's lawyers who worked hard for months allowed it. Rinna had the envelope in the beginning of the reunion, and I don't doubt she showed receipts. It happens in every reunion.

If Kathy's lawyers had really worked that hard, then Rinna would have shut up about this whole issue months ago, and Ericka would not have made her comment that she heard Kathy use a homophobic slur nor would Bravo have aired it.

What receipts could she have had in those envelopes? The only smoking gun that would vindicate Rinna at this point is either a video or voice recording of Kathy on her rampage, but it has yet to surface.

Unlike, say, us having on video Diana and Ericka calling Sutton the c-word, Ericka bragging that she has no empathy for Tom's victims, Rinna lying about Harry Hamlin needing/wanting a thank you, Rinna lying about the Elton John tickets...those are all on tape.

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Kyle better watch her back if Rinna and Erika return next season.

Dorit also. It doesn't look like Ericka was happy when Dorit made her comments about not keeping the earrings.

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

[The Marvel Cinematic Universe: The Avengers, etc.]

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The best is Fury Road. Besides, Terminator 2 was 1991.

Terminator 2 trumps Fury Road in every possible way for me.

[S12.E24: Reunion, Part 3]

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Kathy acted and said everything she was accused of. She admitted to everything at Kyle's Encino house when she was confronted immediately after Apsen.

Did she admit to using racial and homophobic slurs?

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Rinna showed her envelope with receipts in the reunion, but it didn't make it to the final cut- I don't doubt because of Kathy's attorneys interfering.

Or the producers realized whatever was in those envelopes was pointless and useless to show.

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Mauricio was asleep in the upper level of the house and would not have heard, plus he is a very heavy sleeper. 

Either that or he didn't want to got caught while making the beast with two backs with Dorit, and couldn't leave his room?

[Lisa Rinna: These are the Lips of her Life]

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Kathryn said what others have said about Lisa-that she was a nice person and not like what we see on the show.  

That makes sense if she wasn't acting like a total hosebeast off the show via her social media. Like, be an evil asshole on the show, but don't go after people on the show with nasty posts on social media.