Conan Troutman
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27 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:
I think she just punched her. She didn't need to use anything to do that. Can't explain that blood on her neck, though. I was confused by that..
I assume what's-her-name simply fought back. She shouldn't have been able to hurt Elizabeth at all, but it seems like maybe she got reckless because she was tired/distressed or went a bit berserk. That has to be Gabriel's takeaway too, because it convinced him to give them their vacation.
I don't think it's Lisa's blood. It's looking like a wound with blood running down, either Lisa scratched her or pulled her earring or something like that.
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5 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:
Then when Elizabeth tried to comfort Philip. It was awkward, but she was trying. But, no, he was at first mopey, then disagreeable. What was the point. HE was being honest, but still a jerk. Then, when Stan came over. He seemed so depressed. I mean, he really was a turn off for Stan. If you really wanted to know more about what was going on in the FBI office, agree when E invites him to dinner, instead just standing there. Rude, IMO. And don't Philip and Gabriel realize that the FBI have Martha's parent's phone bugged? Of course, they would. So, why suggest that Philip could CALL them with a message? Crazy talk, IMO.
Is Gaad gone for good? I hope not. I like him. Can someone tell me what he was advocating with Stan?
Of course they know the phone's bugged. But Philip also knows how long it takes for them to trace the call and the location isn't really worth anything by itself. So he could just A) keep it short and/or spread it out over multiple calls (not that there's a ton that needs to be said) or B) go to a location where he knows the FBI won't make it there fast enough so he has ample time to escape. It's not like he'd be calling them from his house.
Re: Gaad: I thought that was simply a send-off for Gaad. He's now retired and maybe Stan visits him every once in a while. It also served as a reminder that Stan would continue to search for Clark on his own, even if the agency moves on.
2 hours ago, soapfaninnc said:It just hit me why Stan took the rest of the beer.
They made a pretty big deal out of the fact they found a fingerprint that wasn't Martha's. Stan has been suspicious of the Jennings before. What better way to get prints than to swipe something you know they've touched?
I don't think Stan's suspicious, let alone convinced, of Philip being Clark. Besides, there was the time jump after that, so if he had been suspicious, it would be game over already. Him taking the beer was purely comic relief I think (well, that and product placement). People often complain about a lack of humor on the show, but there are always little gems like that missing beer story.
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Short term, I think Elizabeth' approach worked and I'm not sure Philip would've been able to get her to fall in line (whether it was absolutely necessary is a different question). But long term, there have to be repercussions. Also, if she has to chose sides at some point, no doubt she's rolling with Philip.
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16 minutes ago, Umbelina said:
Not sure if you really mean dead or not, but...
Nah, I just meant the expression, not Martha herself. Although it was interesting how Elizabeth and Philip referred to her in the past tense. I don't think that means anything about her actual fate (it looked like she did make it safely to Russia and I think we're supposed to take that at face value, there won't be any kind of twist to that), it just kind of stood out a bit that they were talking about her like that just hours after she boarded the plane. Maybe because both of them realized it would probably be for the best if they move on, for the sake of their marriage.
Anyway, great send-off for Alison Wright, who has been absolutely killing it this season. I assume that was her last scene on the show, and damn, was brilliant! The same goes for everyone else though, everybody brought their A-game tonight.
1 hour ago, Knuckles said:Elizabeth and Philip are now Paige's handlers, less her parents. The kid is robotically going along with reporting on the Tims, while withdrawing completely into herself. She can no longer trust her parents with her thoughts or feelings, essentially she is on her own. And she knows it.
So the question is, does she continue along like a mule in harness, as she is just a teenager, or does the girl who got on a bus to see her "grandmother"
for herself make a break for it?I guess she'll continue working Pastor Tim for the time being. I kind of expected Paige to play the "or what?" card when Elizabeth ordered her back after Paige told her she didn't feel like going to bible study, but she was obviously scared shitless once Elizabeth went into rage mode. Still, I think things will have to get a lot worse before she's doing anything drastic.
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That's been my assumption, too, but what if it's the complete opposite? We don't really know anything about her, so she could go in any direction.
Eventually, Stan has to find out about the Jenningses, and either he has a Hank-on-the-crapper moment or someone spills the beans to him, which would most likely be someone in the Rezidentura. Oleg seems to be the obvious choice for that, but maybe we shouldn't get fixated on that idea too much.
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1 hour ago, Umbelina said:
Poor Paige!
1 hour ago, RedHawk said:They all got out of their prisons for a while, except poor Paige.
1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:Poor Paige.
Poor Martha is dead, long live Poor Paige!
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3 minutes ago, Winter Rose said:
As much as Roose Bolton deserved to meet his end, I did find his death rather underwhelming... and surprising that he wouldn't have been prepared for Ramsay to act, should Roose have had a son (which it was obviously going to be a son) because there's no way Ramsay wouldn't have acted. But because Ramsay doesn't think long term, I'm hopeful that in spite of no longer having to answer to anyone, without Roose there to keep him in check, Ramsay's actions will finally catch up with him. I love the idea of Ghost eating him.
Yeah, getting rid of Roose was necessary to put House Bolton in a weaker position (with at least one of their allies betraying them eventually) so that the second war for Winterfell can be successful and not the unmitigated disaster that Stannis' doomed effort was.
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6 minutes ago, Tikichick said:
I think odds are slim Sansa reaches the Wall and it's likely she winds up back at Winterfell. Just as she's reunited with Ramsey would be perfect timing IMO for Nymeria to emerge from her travels and pop in on the old homestead.
In one of the trailers,
Spoilerwe saw someone with a dress that looked just like Sansa's riding next besides Mel (with possibly Jon behind them). Granted, that could have been a similar dress worn by someone else, but since we don't even have any other women at the Wall other than Mel right now, it kind of has to be Sansa.
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2 hours ago, Oscirus said:
They did set the dragons up as intelligent and they set up Tyrion as being terrible in Valerian so it made sense he'd address the dragons in the common tongue
Yeah, Tyrion would certainly be toast by now had he addressed them in Vaylrian.
2 hours ago, stillshimpy said:Tommen taking part in the grand tradition of chatting over corpses of close relatives.
He! At least he wasn't forced to take part in the other thing Jamie likes to do over corpses of close relatives...
Pretty good episode. I was a bit underwhelmed by the resurrection, I guess I expected something a bit more spectacular. Interesting choice that Jon woke up after everyone left. Does that have any plot ramifications, like him going underground for a bit or something like that? Although I don't really see the point in that, now that Thorne and the mutineers are imprisoned. It was probably just to make for a more interesting scene when they see him again.
Also surprised by the timing. I thought we'd be getting ToJ flashbacks before Jon was coming back, didn't think he'd be back before episode 5 or 6. But the show really seems to speed things up this season.
Thankfully not a ton of forced humor with awkward lines this week. D&D are solid writers, but their one-liners sound like they're straight from one of those CBS multi-cam sitcoms (and I agree that they sound too modern). At least their non-verbal bits usually hit, like the faces of the KG when seeing the Mountain.
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11 minutes ago, ShannaB said:
I thought Roose was horrible but his son has far surpassed him. I don't want Ramsey to have a fast death. I want him to scream! GOT sure has managed to create some of the most loathsome characters.
There needs to be a Westerosi version of Sarlacc's pit...
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3 hours ago, Loandbehold said:
If / when the cops come back, if it's really Alison, they might ask her about what happened to the accent. Then our little actress will have to give Alison-playing Helena-playing Alison a go.
That's what I'm hoping for. I don't want to get Alison in trouble, but she's really at her best when she is...
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They really missed the opportunity for an Alison-as-Helena-as-Alison scene during the interrogation. Would have loved to see Alison's take on Helena's accent. Maybe the cops visit her again?
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That makes sense. I guess potential deflectors would then also lack someone to recruit them. Or having trouble spending the money without being noticed.
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2 hours ago, Umbelina said:
Why would they need to kill her? It's not like she could tell anyone what she knows about the KGB from Russia.
I can't see the CIA bothering about Martha once she's in Russia, the CIA didn't really have much free movement inside of Russia, it was difficult to impossible to meet with anyone, let alone kill them. There are some good stories about being assigned to Moscow as CIA on that DVD commentary on the movie RED. Full facial masks were used, switching wives for the evening, all kinds of tricks to even meet briefly with a contact. Rushing out of the embassy and killing someone doesn't really seem likely. Aside from that? By the time Martha is anywhere in public, she will have told the KGB everything she knows anyway.
I always assumed the CIA also had agents like the Jenningses running around in Russia. Still, even if there aren't, I'm not sure the KGB would take even that small risk. So I can definitely see them killing her once they picked her brain. Even if they don't, I doubt she'll be free to do whatever she wants, maybe locked away in one of those bunkers Nina was in. She also doesn't really have a ton of valuable skills. She's a secretary who doesn't speak Russian, so she couldn't even serve as a translator or something.
2 hours ago, Moose135 said:I think that's been my problem all along with the show. Yes, it's well done, and they keep the tension high, but in the end, I don't want "the heroes" to win.
You don't have to root for them. Breaking Bad or Hannibal worked just fine without rooting for the protagonist. The one show that didn't work was Dexter, because the show did treat him like a straight up hero, at least in the later seasons.
That said, I don't really want them to get caught and then locked up, that doesn't sound all that exciting. I'd really like Philip to be turned eventually, with or without Elizabeth knowing.
1 hour ago, Umbelina said:She's also seen Claudia.
When did that happen? I can't remember. Was it related to their wedding?
1 hour ago, Ina123 said:Apparently there is a lot of honor after you die there. This is a bit about Kim Philby of the Cambridge Five who eventually defected to the USSR. This guy along with his other 4 conspirators virtually brought down England's MI5. Martha doesn't come close.
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So if the great Kim Philby was treated thus, imagine Martha's fate.
Yeah, that sounds more realistic to me. Sure, she helped them and maybe that's enough reason not to kill her, but I think the KGB won't be terribly loyal to her.
15 minutes ago, JennyMominFL said:What if Tatiana is the double agent and she gives up Martha to the FBI?
Interesting thought. Is that realistic, though? It seems to me like she's somewhat high up the pecking order, were there any defectors/double agents with high ranks?
I thought maybe she was from the Sovjet equivalent of internal affairs and trying to sniff out potential moles in the Rezidentura or preparing some mission of really high importance or whatever. But of course I know very little about all that stuff.
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2 hours ago, PinkRibbons said:
I also loved the kids/beer scene, but I'm not sure why.
Yeah, that was great. The sense of inevitable doom looming over what was otherwise a fun and lighthearted scene makes it even more compelling. Also loved the line about Stan finding out when the beer pool's running too low. He might not notice his neighbor spying for the KGB, but not enough beer - that won't slip by him.
2 hours ago, Maire said:I'm not so sure they won't push her out over the Atlantic or make her carry the rat jar in her lap.
That would make for some fine irony, on dead rat carrying another.
I'm really curious where that whole thing is going. I can see plenty of plausible scenarios:
- Martha will simply live out her life in Russia, never to be heard of again.
- Martha will be squeezed for some info about the agency and then get Nina-ed because she knows too much
- Someone drops the jar with the rat and the whole plane will get infected. Please not!
- A CIA agent in Russia will somehow find out about Martha and find her - or she contacts someone on her own - and she'll spill the beans about Philip.
And I'm sure I missed the one we'll be actually getting.1 hour ago, Ina123 said:Or maybe only Phillip is brought in. Can you imagine the show with Phillip being a double agent without Elizabeth knowing?
Wow, as much as it would suck and make things even worse for everyone, it sure would make for great TV.
40 minutes ago, PinkRibbons said:I think Martha's gun actually did fulfill the Checkovian(?) rule in that while it didn't go off, it caused just about as much damage. She ran from the safehouse not only because Clark wasn't there, but also because her gun was inexplicably missing. I don't know that she would have run if she'd still had the reassurance of the gun.
Meanwhile for some reason I have this feeling it will end up in Paige's hands.
I don't think it was about reassurance, it was that she was sure she was about to be executed and that was the reason someone took the gun away from her. She thought Philip screwed her over, which is why she was so surprised when he answered the phone and skeptical at first. Philip really screwed up here, he never should've taken the gun or leave her alone with who had to look like a seasoned hit man to her without telling Martha.
Overall, best episode of the season so far. Btw, the script was written by a playwright, Tanya Barfield, and it really shows. It gives the episode and especially those final scenes between Martha, Philip and Elizabeth a chamber play feel and a very claustrophobic atmosphere. Martha, despite being about to be transported to the largest country in the world, is trapped and alone again.
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I assume the dagger was likely poisoned.
But poison doesn't work THAT fast. I get that they had to cut the scene short to save time, but why not cut his throat instead? Or did they want to do some literal backstabbing?
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I have to laugh at the Palace Guards at Dorne. Their Prince and ruler is murdered in front of their eyes and they do not even lift a finger to prevent or to apprehend the culprits. What good are they for, again?
I thought that letter would read "Hi, Doran. You're about to get stabbed. Greetings, Ellaria."
Why did Areo Hotah just drop dead? Yeah, Tyene stabbed him, but unless it was in the heart, you don't drop like a wet sack of Jorah's dreams.
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Has Jaime ever given one flyin' f _ _k for crippled Bran ?
Pun intended?
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Oh, I don't know. I sort of like The Snakes wacky adventures. They need their own spin-off.
I think everyone would agree on that.
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Is that what happens when you don't have GRRM's writing to guide you? Some of the dialogue was truly horrible in that characters kept repeating what their scene partner would say or just give us a wordy recap of what happened in last year's season finale.
I'm certainly no book wanker, but I do think the quality of the dialogue wasn't on par with what the previous seasons had offered. The episode had great cinematography and the plot was fine (except that whole Dorne thing, but who knows what Doran will amount to eventually? Maybe he's just another filler), but those lines just weren't up to snuff.
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- Melisandre is so, so gross.
So all those 15 year old boys were right all along?
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Of all people, you're now making me root for ̶m̶̶o̶̶t̶̶h̶̶e̶̶r̶̶f̶̶u̶̶c̶̶k̶̶i̶̶n̶̶g̶ brotherfucking Cersei?!?
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Well, since it's a real thing, it was actually pretty easy to believe...
Sure it's real, but it's rare. My point was that if we can accept Helena coming back from the dead without shouting "this is ridiculous!", we can do the same with Beth having faked her suicide. Both cases have somewhat unlikely, but totally plausible explanations.
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Now you've got me speculating again, LOL. Could Nacho have been tipped off by the gun seller (they know each other, I think??) or just have been watching (or had someone watching) Mike, and so knew when he first arrived and had time to just place the note on the car and get back to the building to stand between Hector and the car? Then he would have directed a minion to stick the stick in the steering wheel to set off the horn (so he would be sure of not being caught and have time to go protect Hector).
Information from interviews, so I'll put it in spoiler tags just to be sure:
G&G confirmed the note was from Gus (or one of his men, he probably wasn't there in person). So the main questions are: How did Gus know about Mike and to what extent was Nacho involved? The most straightforward answer would be that Nacho told Gus (or someone working for Gus) and blocked the view on purpose, while one of Gus' men placed the note and stuck the stick in the wheel. That would pretty much explain everything that happened in a simple way.
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S04.E08: The Magic of David Copperfield V: The Statue of Liberty Disappears
in The Americans [V]
I'm sure he would use some trick to alter his voice. Even if it's something as low tech as clamping your nose or putting a hand kerchief over the microphone.