[Matt and Caryn]

Heheeh yes a typo, its 1.75 million with same rooms and property and neighborhood. 

I noticed in the kitchen pictures that the counters and stove top still seem low which means a buyer needs to consider that as well. 

5 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

That man knows how to make a buck with big time moves. 

I would suggest waiting until he's actually made a buck....

He may very well - it is a nice property. But rates are going up....

[Matt and Caryn]

8 minutes ago, Dustbunny said:

he mentioned putting up a wall between the 2 properties, he said something like "Great Wall of China" not sure what that will look like but I guess it's better than living in the farm house with tourists wandering around, taking pictures etc during pumpkin season.

For a variety of reasons I do not think "having pumpkin season" will survive this sale (pretty much all of the sites and infrastructure including parking lots is in the listing photos for the sale) but I do hope any potential owners consider what Matt's plans for his property will be. Not sure, for example, how I'd feel about buying a nice whimsical piece of land only to see my next door neighbor  building a "Great Wall of China" so close to my property. Nor would I be pleased with a pumpkin season (if it were to happen) where the patrons were used to being on and wanting to see *my* property. 

3 minutes ago, Dustbunny said:

I don't know about Portland, Oregon but where I live house prices have quadrupled in the last 2 yrs

That farmhouse and 16 acres would easily be in the 3-4 million range

All you get here for a million dollars is a shack on a 60'x120' lot.... basically a gut job or tear down

Oh prices have definitely gone up but its a pretty niche property.  And the market for gigantic expensive houses in Matt's neck of the woods without all the strings attached of being the ex Roloff Farms property isn't blazing. 

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10425-NW-Helvetia-Rd-Hillsboro-OR-97124/186249293_zpid/ This place for example on zillow, not a roloff address but literally down the road from Roloff Farms is 1,750,000,000 - its on 10 acres and has the same 5 bedrooms, 6 baths and its been on Zillow for 19 days already. 

12 minutes ago, Dustbunny said:

Can't wait to see if Matt's place sells and for how much

I'm curious to see how it does. I suspect this new season will be al about it. 

[Matt and Caryn]

5 minutes ago, pdlinda said:

Won't the APPRAISAL amount be crucial in determining whether $4 million is a justified asking price?

Of course. I'd love to see the appraised value. Is it in the listing? I could have missed it. 

What I did see was the last sale value a little over a year ago that was 975k. I don't know how finishing the play pirate ship and burying some gold coins in the sandbox increased the value by over 3 million, but hey maybe its a lot of pirate booty buried there....

[Matt and Caryn]

In what seems like a really classic passive aggressive bitch move, everyone knows this announcement is on Jackson's birthday, right? :)

Super classy!

[Matt and Caryn]

3 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Actually the kids might make out quite well. If Matt bought from Amy for under one million and sells it for four million that will surely be a huge inheritance for the four Roloff children. 

Hehehe this assumes that Matt doesn't spend it on his own plans. Point - wasn't there some speculation recently that Matt simply couldn't afford to build his barbie dream house? Maybe this is how he gets the cash....

I also wouldn't expect any inheritance from Matt at this point if I was one of those kids.  (not that it should be expected either, but I have a feeling Matt is all about Matt)

8 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Matts pretty smart with $$$. I bet Amy’s  really 😡 pissed!

Only if he actually sells it for that price - he took out an 867k mortgage on it just last year to pay Amy and most buyers at this level do pay attention to prior sale prices. Matt paid Amy 975k total for her *half* the property just last year. Now he's selling the admittedly better half for 3 times that? I mean, he's also saying (as of right now) that pumpkin season will continue which means any buyer will be dealing with people non stop trespassing in October...

[Matt and Caryn]

I tried to look at the listing at Global Properties  but its timed out 503.

The Wall Street Journal article says the castle and the pirate ship and western town are included, thanks for the link Dustbunny!

8 minutes ago, Dustbunny said:

me too, he can ask whatever he wants for the place but asking and getting are two very different things

Agreed. And if thats close to the deal offered to Zach, not sure I can blame Zach for being pissed. Matt bought *half* the property from Amy for 975k just last year. He's now offering to sell essentially half of the original 32 acres for 4 million. Admittedly the "good half" but thats still one HELL of a mark up. 

[Matt and Caryn]

Its a nice place but I will be genuinely shocked if he gets 4 million for it. 

I'm more impressed that he was allowed to split the property. 

 

[Matt and Caryn]

Interesting! Did it say how much?

[Jeremy and Auj Poj]

15 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Oh, no, I hadn’t heard the twisted ankle story.  

I do want to correct myself, it was a broken ankle. But yeah the tale was sufficiently exaggerated that "the spider was so giant I needed my neighbor to come kill it in the middle of the night" was probably more like, "the neighbors were over at around 7pm and there was a daddy long legs and I had the vapours and went pretend hysterical until neighbor offered to kill it".

[Jeremy and Auj Poj]

41 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Well…I hope her neighbors are trust worthy.  It’s difficult for me to imagine that kind of fear from a spider, especially from an adult.  Most spiders are not dangerous. And, you can normally capture and release them.

Well, auj does tend to overplay things. Remember when she was blogging their move from Oregon down to Los Angeles and she twisted her ankle the first night and then Jeremy had to do a photoshoot the next day leaving her alone, in an empty apartment with  no food or water, not able to walk or call for help and she had to pray to Jesus to save her from Satan, who came for her?

Meanwhile I am a little "Jeremy has no job and they're just back from vacation, why isn't he home?"

[Matt and Caryn]

7 minutes ago, LilyD said:

So, he’s continued adding to the big house till this day?

Dunno about adding to it - he says remodeling. I have noticed, from watching the show, that Matt tends to be constantly remodeling

9 minutes ago, LilyD said:

I wonder why as I fail to see any reason why?

Well, there was a whole lotta "Amy let all the maintenance go" complaining but really it all sounded like normal wear and tear. Matt also tends to make things sound much bigger than they actually are. The "major remodeling" he talks about for example? Might be painting a room or two. At one point he was "remodeling" the double wide, which amounted to painting the cabinets and changing the flooring. 

Made worse that yeah, he's constantly saying he won't live there.

24 minutes ago, LilyD said:

 I don’t know about its layout but I have seen quite a few houses that ‘suffered’ from numerous remodelling projects. Those floor plans never make sense.

Its genuinely hard to tell what's going on with the floor plan of the Big House. I know, for example, that there's still three bedrooms on the second floor but there's ALSO a really extensive great room and maybe another bedroom? On the first floor there was a LARGE office for Matt that once he moved out seemed to never really be used again (Amy may have used it as a playroom for the grandkids. There's the really large great room attached to the kitchen and a dining room and the original smaller office/den, and the original rarely seen bedroom and bathroom for Matt and Amy. And there is a six car garage that also seems to have office space. 

One reason I found the "OMG I MUST BUILD A NEW GARAGE PRONTO!" silliness so silly is that if no one is living in the big house... why not park your cars there? Even if the other Karen was still renting, most people don't have six cars to begin with and garage access isn't much to ask for from a renter. 

But then who knows how many cars Matt owns? 

54 minutes ago, LilyD said:

I think he needs something to keep him occupied. Once he loses interest, which is usually soon, he’ll abandon it and starts something new.

I am curious if he ever starts the barbie dream house, just how long it will take. The last major change to the house was a six month long, if not more, nightmare of Matt making changes to everything and running out of money which shut down building. And that was with Amy and the kids nagging him.

 

1 minute ago, Absolom said:

They would have to get the zoning changed and that's no easy matter. 

Exactly! And honestly, if it was easy peasy make a butt ton of money to sell to developers Matt would have sold the property decades ago.

[Matt and Caryn]

Moved from Zach and Tori since its mostly about Matt

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 4 HOURS AGO, LILYD SAID:

I have wondered about its actual value. Because of its location and size, Matt should be able to get a decent price. But…the  Roloffs aren’t very house proud and I have a feeling the place is pretty gutted.

 

The property is valuable. The big house? At last check, Matt was remodeling it yet again - he posted something about it in March. My issue with the big house is simply that it's a GIANT house. 

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 4 HOURS AGO, LILYD SAID:

The farmhouse will need a lot of renovation work because of this, plus the fact that a lot of it was designed for LP and not for people of average height.

 

Rumor has it that in order to rent it to the other Karen, the kitchen was remodeled back to an average height kitchen. I wonder too if some of the remodeling in March was making it more average height accessible.

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  4 HOURS AGO, LILYD SAID:

Add to that the number of “interesting” buildings around the place and Matte numerous unfinished projects.

 

This. The various structures littered around that people aren't allowed into per the county Western Town for example, non family members haven't been allowed to go into buildings in over a decade. Noah's Ark, which is literally just an unfinished boat hull thats been left outdoors for ten years now. The castle, that people in pumpkin season aren't allowed to go in. The swamp fort rotting in the swamp. The new pirate ship. These things look cool but a new non family owner is only going to see them as a liability. And frankly, Matt has a lot of "stuff" all over the farm. Zach "buying" the property frankly means Matt maintains status quo... but a non family member buying the farm means Matt's got to find a place for his car and atv collection and ALL of his valuable stuff in the barns that he wants to keep. And Roloff Pumpkin season on that part of the property would end. A non family member is not going to make a full market value offer for that property if Matt plans to commandeer it for one month out of the year and retains control over outbuildings. 

Any sale to a non family member with usage strings attached would make it a difficult sale, in my opinion. The big house is lovely but its kind of BIG. I can appreciate it as a beautiful home on the interior, but its certainly way too big for me, and the exterior is "McMansion on Steroids". If Matt is seeking top dollar, even if he's NOT attaching usage strings, I don't know that I'd want to live next to the former owner who may still be running a noisy crowded business one month of the year right next door. 

I've actually wondered why Matt hasn't gone the AirBNB route with the place. 

[Zach and Tori]

Moving over to the Matt thread instead of responding here

 

[S03.E17: Spring Cleaning]

3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

And then Owen and Marjan discover via Ancestry.com that she is his daughter.

I mean that makes a weird sense....

[S03.E17: Spring Cleaning]

3 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Except that's the building that blew up, so I'm guessing CEO and his company are dead in the rubble.  

I'm sure the jerk CEO was out skateboarding in the parking garage or something else of a forced "cool" nature ;)

[Zach and Tori]

16 minutes ago, Dustbunny said:

Exactly I don't think Matt can afford to give anyone "deals" on real estate.... family member or not.

It'll be interesting if they ever actually reveal the nature of Zach's offer versus Matt's counter.

Its a valuable property so Matt shouldn't be expected to sell it cheap simply because of family relationship. At the same time, Zach shouldn't be expected to pay more than fair market value simply because Matt wants more. And if there are usage conditions in the mix, thats a whole added factor that can indeed affect the price - who wants a property with a high price tag that isn't really yours to do with as you like? A non family member is not going to pay top dollar for a property where the prior owner can still use the property as they please up to and including having an office on the property and driving all around the property building new structures on whims etc. To a point if Matt wants to sell, he has to accept the fact that he IS selling

10 minutes ago, LilyD said:

OMG this made me laugh so hard! My ribs are hurting because of it! I have never seen a better summary of Zach’s personality…. He truly is a Zach-Slug! If someone comes up with an edited picture of this I’m gonna die laughing! (Sorry Zach!)

Hee hee I wish I was artistic and I would make you one. I just remember this one scene in a very early season where Jeremy was going off with friends and Zach was in his grubby shorts and grubby Civil war cap sitting on a rock, *slowly* eating goldfish crackers.... and "Zach is a slug" came to me. 

[S03.E17: Spring Cleaning]

12 minutes ago, perkie1968 said:

Especially a custom made, probably cost a pretty penny, not off the rack, suit. And I forget if they mentioned whether this would be Wyatt's grown up job (ie he's finished his schooling) or if it was just a summer job.  

Although I do think its nice for a young man to have a good suit available for things like interviews and such. I don't get the impression that Judd and Grace are poor. It *was* an interview where it doesn't usually hurt to dress up. The job itself was an unpaid internship for the summer in something Wyatt was interested in. 

What I suspect will happen btw is that after Judd is rescued (because Judd ain't dying) is that Wyatt will find out from the CEO guy that he was gonna get the internship anyway, that CEO thought he had unique answers or whatever and liked his daring to wear the suit.... thats often where this trope goes.

30 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Judd's advice to get a suit and be confident were good ideas, even if you don't normally wear a suit to work (most people don't anymore) its not normally a bad idea for an interview, just in most interviews the interviewer isn't a total ass to the interviewees.

This 

[Zach and Tori]

1 minute ago, pdlinda said:

Tori "runs the show" in Zach's family. 

Agree. In fairness, Tory is also a lot smarter than Zach so it kind of makes sense. 

2 minutes ago, pdlinda said:

Tori has a problem (BIG problem) with Matt "running the show" on the farm that tends to reflect poorly on her husband, Zach. 

Also fair. It was very noticeable to me at least that once Amy was no longer in the farm decision circle, that Matt turned his irritation onto how Zach was suddenly the problem on the farm. Matt loves to use the show as a platform for his complaints about family members. I wouldn't want my husband facing that.

6 minutes ago, pdlinda said:

Tori believes (with good cause) that she, Zach and her 3 children are CRUCIAL STORY LINES to keep the very lucrative show on the air.  The show also bestows on her various other income streams from Instagram advertisers that further enhance their financial prosperity. 

If she believes this, she's not wrong. I'm not a huge kid fan so I'd watch without kids but most folks aren't tuning in to see Amy and Chris hang out with Matt and Caryn in increasingly awkward and unlikely scenarios. (I myself find this hilarious but its a minority taste). 

That said, the flaw in Zach and Tory hijacking the show is that Zach has the personality of a slug and I don't think the kids are verbal enough to carry the show. I could be wrong, of course. 

13 minutes ago, pdlinda said:

Tori determined it was much better for their family to live nowhere NEAR MATT so that's why they moved. 

Also agree. Its a weird dynamic that I freely admit, I don't understand - "the farm" is this weird end game for all the Roloffs. Personally I think its way healthier emotionally for Zach and Tory to own their own nice piece of property and make a nice life for themselves with their own stuff. Right or wrong, Matt isn't likely to cede control of any portion of his little empire and the endless "I want a legacy, I want one of you to take over, I just want to retire to AZ, but I also want to control every aspect of activity here on the farm" is, forgive me, a bit toxic. 

Its clearly not about affording it - Zach and Tory didn't buy their current place with smiles,  and a handful of shiny beads. And hey, maybe Zach puttering around with his kids DOES make a fun tv show. On their own land. And honestly, Jackson is starting to get to an age where he will remember what was said and maybe its best that he's nowhere near Matt. 

16 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

It seems to be the Roloff way to openly bitch and whine about each other… I think a lot of it is amped up for the show.

Fair enough but they (all of them) only have themselves to blame for the failed relationships.

18 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

kind of wish the show would end because the same old topics…. arguing over the farm, having babies, Amy and her MAN, Caryn and Matt’s relationship is really getting old and it’s not that interesting.  

There's just not much to argue about over the farm - Matt owns it and isn't terribly interested in selling. Chris and Amy are a nice enough couple but I dont find their road tripping plans that fascinating, and Matt and Caryn always present a carefully curated version of their relationship where they are 100 percent happy all the time and yet not planning to wed. Honestly if the show didn't have Zach and Tory cranking out babies, I think it would have been canceled a while ago. 

[S03.E17: Spring Cleaning]

20 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

I didn't agree with Wyatt wearing a suit, that was a bit much. 

I mean, as soon as the suit was mentioned, I knew where this plot was going and it wasn't "Wyatt gets the job because he shows up the other interviewers by dressing professionally" - I just dislike this trope for the exact thing you say - Wyatt could have worn a nice dress shirt to put some effort into his appearance for the interview and made the point. These days, if the job isn't in finance, a suit is overdressing at most workplaces for day to day outfitting. But for an interview? Still not a bad idea. 

 

1 hour ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Having Owen goad the guy was crafty. But unnecessary. The woman was right there and had a bruise on her mouth. She could immediatley report him for hitting her and he would be arrested. 

Yeah, can't believe the woman screaming there was a problem didn't resolve with the kids being put in a cop car to talk with CPS just to be careful.

[S05.E17: Hero Complex]

2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Jonah having moved to 4 or 5 different states for the same job implies that others noticed his hinkiness as well.

Its odd but proof of nothing, really.

1 hour ago, NJRadioGuy said:

Which reminds me, when and why did makeup stop applying the scar to the actor's forehead?

Scars fade and they stopped bothering long ago. 

47 minutes ago, Gramto6 said:

I just had a thought. Was Jonah ever at Bobby's home?  Maybe the house he is talking about is the station house?

I totally thought this was what Bobby was referring to - the station house. Unlike Hen, he wasn't a total douche to the new guy. 

[S5.E22: The Proof Is in the Pudding]

1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

What if it were Leela who was infertile? Would Devon still break up with her? Just wondering.

I think he would be more understanding of than a lot of "Um... yeah... later in my career" early on followed up with "Well, actually I may never want kids and my body my choice". If Leela was the one infertile, she would have told Devon a lot sooner that she wasn't going to have kids with him. The problem isn't really Leela's choice to not have children, its that Leela made that choice but never really said to Devon "lets be clear, I don't want children with you or anyone" and instead was all "maybe later when x, y and z is past...."

6 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

"She wants to keep control."  AJ and Billie demonstrating that they have no idea about parenting a fragile child.

Thats fair but at the same time, the mom DID want to maintain control. They were looking at it from a more purely medical view and for a change, did actually leave it in the mother's hands until it became too medically necessary. 

 

11 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

The writing for this story is so sloppy. She was hiding from the mafia but using her real name the whole time. She felt that she couldn't open up because she wasn't going to stay but now that they've caught a small part of the mafia drug ring, she's suddenly all in for relationships with people at the hospital.

Yeah, and wasn't there some suspicious "Why are her records so weirdly blank with her seeming to appear out of no where?" meanderings when Conrad was looking into her that strongly suggested she was in witness protection.

13 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

So Caid had to raise herself and make her own meals because her father was always at work? Setting aside Wife #2, I'm pretty sure that Daddy had help in the house to cook and clean and look after an underage Caid because laws. Also he likes nice things and while he may eat out, I can't see him cleaning his own bathroom. I'm not believing the story as she tells it.

I will allow that no matter how nice the housekeeper is, its not really the same as having a parent. And laws only come into play if the family is reported. I can see a loveless or lonely childhood with parents constantly absent and a housekeeper not especially caring what you did to be a little bit scarring. True - I doubt Cade went to school with no breakfast and dirty clothes and returned home to a cold empty dirty kitchen with no food - but I do think this is a valid resentment. 

Plus, it was strongly implied he has a problem with prescription drugs that she is used to covering.

18 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

He's a bad father because even though he got on a plane right away to save her, he brought her the pudding that he himself likes (note that he didn't eat it) rather than remembering that she's allergic to it.

He's a self involved ass. But not a total dick - no one made him fly out, you're totally right. 

 

19 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

If he isn't coming to help you want, call an orderly or a nurse to go with you.

But then you can't dramatically injure yourself and have your faux boyfriend get shitty over your dad being an asshole. 

 

[S5.E22: The Proof Is in the Pudding]

1 hour ago, vibeology said:

Billie has been so clearly pining for Conrad that AJ knows? Because I have barely seen anything. Their interaction has been minimal.

I'll be fair. I thought they were building something between Billie and Conrad. I don't think its been as bluntly pushy as Conrad/Cade but yeah, this didn't surprise. 

 

1 hour ago, vibeology said:

Cade has an entirely new personality just because her dad showed up? Maybe pain meds make her vulnerable but she’s been cold and guarded all season and this was a major reboot. Also her dad is clearing a piece of shit but Conrad inserting himself in the middle demonstrates a lack of professionalism and a lack of respect. It’s at the very least a yellow flag.

I'll allow pain med excuses for some of this but.... She's apparently hiding her dad's drug problem after this endless plot around drugs and the mafia? Also wasn't she in witness protection? So she was using her real name all this time?

How is it in any way appropriate for Conrad to be treating Cade for anything at this point? Shouldn't her doctor be someone other than her kind of boyfriend?

1 hour ago, vibeology said:

I have no patience for whatever drama is happening now with Devon and Leela. He should go for professional reasons. It’s a huge leap for his career. 

And yet we all know he won't (barring a casting decision). I am tired of Leela bitching Devon out over the kid thing. He's not *forcing* her to bear his child. If he wants children, he has every right to have children. She has every right to not have a child. But.... this is a mutual problem and not all "Devon is a selfish asshole". Its a deal breaker for him and he's correct that he's always been open about wanting a family. Leela needs to grow up. And its a big hospital, they work in different departments they shouldn't have to see each other every day.

2 hours ago, vibeology said:

I do care about Bell’s story. But not enough to make up for all the rest of the nonsense. 

See, I just can't with Bell any more. He's a terrible patient killing surgeon, no he's brilliant and just has a hand thing that went away. He's an asshole, now he's a kindly granddad. He's sleazy as fuck and hiring prostitutes, now he's a crusader against incompetant doctors. He's well, he's got MS, he's got MS but never has flair ups, he's got MS and has been struck blind. He'll be pregnant with Devon's child next. 

[Zach and Tori]

1 hour ago, seasons said:

I guess it's not surprising that they never discussed this years ago as a family regarding who was "entitled" to what, so expectations would be clear and this would be avoided.

Whether they legit discussed it off camera we'll never know, but there's many episodes over the years where Matt discusses that he wants one of the kids to take over, that he wants a legacy where his grandkids grow up on the farm, that he wants his sons to work with him on the farm... but also that he isn't interested in splitting the farm up, and wants the kids to decide amongst themselves who will get what. He's also expressed repeatedly that he simply wants to sell and retire, and he's tired of waiting for the kids to step up to the plate. 

If whats said in private is similar to what's said in public, then Matt is all over the place with what he wants to do with the property. My vibe personally? He's not interested in selling and likely won't. And if he dies, the property will likely be left to the four children so they can "fight over it" as he has occasionally stated on the show. 

1 hour ago, seasons said:

Unless this is just drama for the show. But z&t are coming off to me as so entitled and it's just pissing me off. Even Amy in the promo is giving me a vibe that z&t are being jerks in their expectations

I will wait until these episodes air before I make a call on who is being entitled. Zach certainly seems angry and Tory seems protective of Zach so regardless of who's right, I think Zach has some hurt feelings over the situation. Matt and Caryn rolling their eyes and laughing over the situation comes off a wee bit well, not exactly hurt. If they genuinely want to see the grandkids, they might want to tone down the public mocking of the grandkids parents. 

Here's my thinking. If Zach made a fair market value offer for the farm - and knowing he DID buy a piece of property for 1 million - Zach not only has the money but the knowledge to know what fair market value is - and Matt wanted control of the land or usage concessions, or wanted significantly more, or both, then Zach has the right to be pissed off. Why? Because why pay full price or more for property that the prior owner still controls. 

If Zach offered under fair market value BECAUSE  Matt wants concessions about access or control - this is where negotiations might be an issue because Matt can't expect fair market value for property he is selling but still wants a lot of access to and control over. That's unreasonable on Matt's part. Put in simple terms - if the property is worth 100k, and Matt sells it and walks away and never looks back, fine, but if its worth 100k and Zach pays 100k and Matt can still be on the property and cut down trees and plow up fields and put up structures at will, and Zach has little to no say in usage - is it really fair to ask for 100k when you don't control the property use?

If Zach offered under fair market value and refuses any concessions of control to Matt, then Matt has every right to say no and be annoyed over Zach being entitled. Its a valuable piece of property and Matt deserves fair market value if he is selling because a non family buyer would simply be required to buy at fair market value. 

Where Matt may be the asshole here is if he is wanting full market value pricing for the farm but ALSO wanting significant control and usage concessions - you can't demand top dollar and also still use the property as though you are still the owner. 

[S05.E17: Hero Complex]

9 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

I don't think that's how Jonah found out.  Hen and Chim were the ones calling around.  That's how he knew who it was.  If it were Taylor, he wouldn't have connected her to them.

No, Jonah found out he was being investigated because he was TOLD he was being investigated and put on light duty due to allegations made by his prior captain. Jonah ASSUMED - correctly - that Hen, who made her dislike of him completely open - was the one behind the accusations. 

eta - Jonah was a fucking idiot to go after Hen and Chim at this point because honestly, they had at best evidence that he made a poor judgement in administering medication. He *might* lose his job but more likely would have gotten a reprimand. 

 

[Chris and Amy]

2 minutes ago, DonnaMae said:

Not everyone uses the Internet to wish people happy birthday.  There's still the phone.

Sure. Totally agree people still call.

But Amy did make an online post and I don't think its weird that in wishing her two sons happy birthday, that she didn't reference her new husband, their theoretical stepfather, that Jeremy in particular didn't seem to approve of. 

Sorry, don't think its odd for Amy to not pick that option on a birthday post.