[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

7 hours ago, kaleidoscope said:

ArtemisSailor said he was hired to be a bodyguard for Josh.  He described him as "a predator."  After being around all of the Duggars, he said he was Team Jill and Team Joy.

Also said he’s on Team Fuck Anna. Says she’s not naive and sweet at all. 

I highly recommend the AMA. 

OH, and Josh watched adult porn in his car. While driving. 

[S16.E04: Cistern Wives]

4 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I agree with this 100%. Not that living a plural lifestyle means no one is every allowed any privacy ever- the kids storming into Meri's bedroom/bathroom without knocking wouldnt be acceptable, but like you said, Meri was happy with Janelle paying the bills. Happy with Christine cooking meals and watching Mariah when Meri and Kody had their date night etc etc. Meri was happy that Mariah had brothers and sisters even though she didnt have any more kids, yet you wont let Mariah's brothers/sisters walk through the living room???? 

Dont buy it.

Meri said she herself was working two jobs. Not sure that Janelle was paying all the bills. 

[S16.E04: Cistern Wives]

15 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

A GIANT HOLE that could collapse on a LITTLE BOY? Are you kidding me right now? I am in complete and utter disbelief. What an ASSHAT 🤯

That actually did happen to my dad when he was a child. So lucky someone was there to get him out. He was buried!

[S19.E08: Couch Couture]

2 hours ago, RedbirdNelly said:

I loved Zayden as a person but am puzzled why he didn't think about his model when he made his design. The challenge was the perfect challenge for loose fitting garments. No he didn't need to make a tent but to go for form fitting with his model was just a bad idea. He could have done something closer to Aaron's approach and made it flatter the model without having to deal with so many fitting challenges. It would have still fitted the brief unlike other challenges where a loose, comfy top would get you criticized.

Also I’m not sure how many of us want to peel off a skin tight jumpsuit every time we need to pee. 

[S19.E08: Couch Couture]

On 12/10/2021 at 10:36 AM, retired watcher said:

Some of the designers do not understand the word comfortable. It what universe is a garter belt and stockings comfortable. Only a man.

Speaking as someone who hit puberty before pantyhose were even invented, i recoiled in horror at the sight. Not one bit comfortable. And if you don’t have slim legs, you’ll enjoy your thigh meat puffing up over the top of the stockings and rubbing together. Super attractive and definitely comfy.

I cackled when Nina (?) said she just didn’t know how many women would could actually pull off the winning look. Honey, that is true of every single thing that came down the runway. 

[S19.E08: Couch Couture]

On 12/10/2021 at 5:14 AM, Jodithgrace said:

When I'm relaxing at home, if my sequined dress is in the wash, then I go for a garter belt and stockings! Honestly, have none of these people ever relaxed? 

All I could think about is how those sequins would scrape up against my inner arms. So relaxing. 

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

48 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

I wonder if Michelle is on overload with Josh and that's why we didn't see her at the courthouse?

Everybody, fundy  or not, has a breaking point.  Maybe the pictures and things happening to babies and small children  shown to the jury was hers!

Maybe Jinger is close to her mother because she was the one really sorry about what happened to her girls.

I do believe there are many secrets in the Duggers household.

I’ve also been wondering if Michelle actually understood all along how awful Josh’s actions were. But because of their disgusting Gothardian beliefs, she felt she could never confront or contradict what JB wanted in dealing with the aftermath. All she’s allowed to do in that situation is pray for God to change hubby’s heart. I am imagining her screaming I KNEW IT!  To me, this is the only scenario that explains her not showing up at all during the trial. What mother wouldn’t? JB may have recognized that she could not or would not have been able to maintain in the courtroom setting. 

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

1 hour ago, mittsigirl said:

I love his voice! Even after I watch an episode with him narrating, I save it because his voice is so comforting that it puts me to sleep, like a warm, weighted blanket!

Dateline is doing podcasts now, too…

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

16 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

What I remember is that JD seemed more concerned about Josh cheating on Anna than he did about Josh abusing his sisters. 

From various comments yesterday about some of the “kids” attending the trial to learn the truth, I gather that the siblings did not really know what Josh had done. It seems to have been unbelievably minimized by JB and Michelle - both within the family and among their church fellows. 

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

1 minute ago, Annb67 said:

If anyone here is old enough to remember Jim  Bakker getting hauled out of court in cuffs losing his shit? Yeah, I’m going to need to see a moment like that. 😂

Yesssssss

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

5 hours ago, lascuba said:

He's doing that hyperspecific thing where he's stating the facts without giving his feelings on it. He's saying that the defense didn't show reasonable doubt, not that he thinks Josh is guilty.

Today he tweeted that he’s praying for justice and I’m gonna gamble that it means he thinks and hopes Josh will be found guilty.

there are things I don’t care for about Derrick but I think he’s been just great this week. 

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

42 minutes ago, Zella said:

The Sun is now reporting that they've misidentified Jason as Jed. Again. LOL 

The Duggar guys really kinda are like a set of canisters or Russian nesting dolls. 

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

I thought that typically the jury comes in after everyone else is in place. And that the gallery is instructed not to create any kind of distractions like talking, etc. Once the jury is seated, we’re off.

And just to beat this totally to death I’ll add that, having heard testimony that Josh molested his sisters, I would assume that anyone I thought to be a family member was most likely there to see justice done, not to support him. If I even noticed. 

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

4 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Are Jim Bob and Michelle not showing up so the jury thinks he’s an orphan?

If I were a juror giving any weight to who apparently showed up for Josh, and who didn’t, the absence of parents would be food for thought. Although I guess they’re not really supposed to know anything about the Duggars in general so maybe they don’t know his parents didn’t die of shame after the initial molestation confessions. 

[S16.E03: Not Social But Very Distant]

3 hours ago, Kellyee said:

If Kody changed his behavior towards his kids after Robyn showed up, that is on Kody, not Robyn. They are Kody's children. If Kody chooses to neglect one of his children, people shouldn't be blaming Robyn. All too often we blame the other woman when a man cheats or dumps his original kids. Kody is the asshole here. Kody chose not to hug Ysabel before she left for surgery. I also noticed that Kody didn't seem all that excited for Mykelti's pregnancy. He seemed very detached from it all. Which made Robyn's daughters' over the top reactions all the more bizarre.

And Christine kept getting pregnant long after it was clear that she would not only be raising her kids mostly by herself, but she'd be raising Janelle's kids too. While her own husband refused to shower in her bathroom. 

And Meri having no grandma nickname is so very telling. Didn't Maddie help her with LulaRoe for a while? I wonder what the final fallout was. Meri appears to have no bond at all with any of Christine or Janelle's kids. 

 

 

 

 

I agree with all this about Kody. Robyn can only  “get away with” whatever Kody allows. He seems like such a weasel that I wouldn’t doubt he’s happy to let someone else appear to be a scapegoat.

My impression is that Robyn advocates for herself and her kids in a way that the others don’t seem to, and I don’t blame her. Since she joined the family she’s had ample opportunity to see that Kody needs a lot of kicks in the ass. 

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

1 hour ago, Jeanne222 said:

I have to score for the defense in having Anna attached to Josh throughout the trial then having numerous family members sitting right behind Josh and close and next too Anna.

If I was a juror I'd be thinking this C P we have seen is the worst of the worst.  Why are they all still there FOR JOSH if he's guilty?

Do they know Josh and Anna have seven young children and a newborn baby.

I have concerns. Hopefully this jury will consider only the facts.

Travis Alexander’s siblings were pretty much smooshed between Jodi Arias’ mom, aunt, and a jailhouse fan girl whose name I’m blanking on. I don’t know that there’s much to be inferred by who is sitting where in a small courtroom with limited seating. 

[S16.E03: Not Social But Very Distant]

1 hour ago, MsMalin said:

As far as Christine "signing up for this" , I think many people.go into marriage with stars in their eyes. The first few years are fun and filled with hope and adventure and then reality sets in. Their marriage has changed drastically in so many ways through the years. I don't think she signed up to be dismissed and mentally abused or neglected.  People.change, situations change and can't be predicted. She has every right to be unhappy with the situation.  From the looks of it Kody was happy go lucky in the early years. He is now bitter and very misogynistic.

They were also brainwashed into believing their eternal salvation depends on enduring plural marriage. It just makes all of them better!

[S16.E03: Not Social But Very Distant]

30 minutes ago, LilyD said:

While I agree with most of your post, I do feel the need to come to Christine's defence here.

I think Christine always wanted the best for Ysabel and has fought for that. But, she was part of a complicated 5-people marriage where she was at the bottom of the totem pole. Whatever she wanted or needed, wasn't important.  I'm sure she discussed Ysabel's condition with the other wives but we all know that Janelle and Meri will always side with Kody and Robyn will go against anything that doesn't benefit her family or might bring her family some inconvenience. I'm sure Christine got the "No we're not going back to Utah-treatment" we saw not too long ago but then applied to Ysabel's case.

And Kody judged it to be unimportant and after a lot of pushing came up with that stupid idea of therapy with that torture-exercise thing!  Yes, she could and should have done more for Ysabel earlier but I have to acknowledge that it probably wasn't as easy as it seems. But I am glad she did and fought off the whole bunch and went for it!

I would also like to add that the Brown's only seem to consider medical intervention a necessity when one is almost dying (Maddie, Truely) And pain is.... invisible and hard to grasp for someone who doesn't feel what you feel. On a good day, at some point in the afternoon I give myself a 5-6 (on a scale of 1-10) and that's with tramadol. On a bad day you'd better keep some distance.... Poor Ysabel giving herself a 9 for pain really made me cry.............

Didn’t the surgery have to wait until Ysabel’s spine reached a certain angle? I think they were doing the wacky treatments in hopes of stabilizing her spine but sadly it did not work. But she wasn’t yet bad enough for surgery. 

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

2 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Jim Holt was called to testify too and recalled the discussion about Linux OS. and quoted Josh as saying "well how would I set that up" 11 years ago

Hmmm, why were they even wondering about it? I know, that’s probably been covered here somewhere. I am way behind on these posts. 

[S16.E03: Not Social But Very Distant]

1 hour ago, Grifter Lives said:

I wanted Meri to claim Lot 1, with the drainage ditch, just because that was the fambly's worst-case scenario.  I wanted to see them all make excuses about why she wasn't allowed to choose that one.  It also would have placed Kody between Christine and Meri so that they wouldn't have to live by each other Instead, we saw Kody whine that it has no resale value.

…after proclaiming last week that he wanted that lot so everyone could have access to the “pond.” Seriously, is Meri the only one who realizes how gross it is?

hey, how about Christine telling Meri she did not want to be near her? Sheesh. Ladies, you all need to disperse. 

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Yes, and it wouldn't just be her marriage that would be horribly tainted. Because she's devoted to her particular faith and cult. And because of that her marriage wasn't something she entered after dating some guys and choosing one. She entered marriage fully led by her super-godly parents and by Josh's super-godly parents -- all four pillars of their cult -- and by God himself. I've never even watched much actual Duggar stuff and I've heard her say exactly this.....

That the man she married is the one that God himself gave her and that she knows that. She prayed for the right man for her, but she didn't act herself. Unlike all the heathen marriages out here, her marriage was really made by the prayer and wisdom of those four parents, who could really hear God's word and prayerfully know that Josh was the man for her. I'll bet this is a key part of the wisdom that she's now praised for passing on to other young women in their group. 

What do you think about a huge mess in an aspect of your life that you've always believed was specially arranged for your good by the godliest people you know (as they all say about their parents) and by God himself, when you're a person whose religion is the single center of your life? Looking straight at the Josh mess would threaten the entire foundation of her life and everything she's always believed in, seems to me. Why would your God consciously and deliberately give one of his most faithful followers -- a naive young girl at the time -- a husband who's sexually excited by seeing vicious harm done to small children?  

In her case, I think facing the truth wouldn't just involve disillusion with one person who's very important to her or with her own judgment but disillusion with the entire structure of her world. And she's had hammered into her from birth that that structure s the only good life foundation that exists. Facing the truth would literally call into question everyone she knows and everything she's ever believed. If that prospect didn't put you into massive denial, I don't know what would. 

All of this, plus she seems to have been taught that this is somehow her fault. 

[S16.E03: Not Social But Very Distant]

Kody’s stomping and pouting and disengagement during the meeting about the lots was just amazing. He could not handle their laughing and being cordial and logical without him acting as the central figure. Yes, we learned later that Christine was faking it but still, it differed so much from the usual pattern of Kody making declarations and pouting and orating when the wives don’t react the way he wants. “Who can understand the abyss of women’s minds?” he muses. Yeah. It’s a mystery.

Christine succinctly summarizes the whole problem with polygamy: who wants to be at close range to watch her husband have a “functioning marriage”with someone else?

19 minutes ago, answerphone said:

And aside from Kody being a pompous ass, I’m dwelling on the fact they’ve lived there two years and there’s absolutely no decisions or progress made on their parcel of land. 
 

Wouldn’t that have been a priority even before Covid started?

They were already griping about no one wanting to gather anymore, before Covid, and lamenting that the family was falling apart. 

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

5 hours ago, sue450 said:

yes she said   she take care of the northern (top  breastfeeding , feeding)  and josh takes the south ( lower half diaper changing)   this takes on a a whole new HORRIBLE meaning knowing what we know now

I always thought it was weird he changes diapers, the woman do that ,,and he was always rude to anna made her carry in the luggage on their honeymoon...and another time she was extremely pregnant walking up steep steps to the plane and he didn't even hold her hand to help her

In all the recent photos I’ve seen, he always looks like he’s dragging her along by the hand. Lovely. 

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

5 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Well, everything's been said but not everybody has said it, re: south and north ends.

This is from Free Jinger, May 22, 2015 -- talking about the end of 19 Kids -- and quoting Anna as saying the "south end" and "north end" part. ..... Bin and Jessa were apparently in this same episode talking to Anna.....but contemporaneous evidence says it is Anna who talked about that, unfortunately. 

Quote from free jinger poster -- 'The part that bothers me the most was Anna saying that "mama takes care of the north end, and daddy takes care of the south end." SHE KNEW. And she still gave him, most likely, unsupervised diaper changing time with Mack. I am just at a loss.'

https://www.freejinger.org/topic/23398-josh-duggar-admits-to-molestation-rumors-part-2/page/30/

 

Thank you. I was certain it was Anna and Josh and am glad to know for sure. 

[S16.E02: Four Wives, Three Fires]

I’m in Snohomish County, north of Seattle. Must wear masks indoors unless eating or drinking (I think this applies to all of Washington). In King County, where Seattle is, you must show proof of vax in numerous situations, and that is also spreading outward to other locales like where I live. I rarely see anyone out and about without a mask, although that changes the farther away you get from the metropolis that is the Puget Sound area.
 

Masks just feel normal at this point and it’s allowed a lot of life to resume with less risk to health. I know we’re seeing Kody & Co as of late last year, so I hope they’ve figured out that masks would help them be able to gather. Even though they were already complaining about no one wanting to gather, well before Covid.