[Leon Brown: So Here's Me]

1 hour ago, Sandy W said:

she could scissor them between her thick thighs

Oi! I'm going to need a lot of brain bleach to get that picture out of my head! 

[S11.E08: Doubting Polygamy]

4 hours ago, Teri313 said:

Remember, it was Meri that offered the divorce and Kody gladly accepted it, but he didn't insist on it.

Did she really, though? I don't believe for a second that the show is representative of all the facts. They even had a fake courtroom thing to try to legitimise the adoption story....  

4 hours ago, Teri313 said:

I really think if Meri had simply come clean with her family and the audience, she would have come across very well and been a VERY sympathetic character. Instead she kept lying to all of us

There is nothing simple about human behaviour and emotion. What is 'simply com[ ing] clean' to an emotionally mature and secure person is impossible for one lacking those skills, or one with trauma history, etc. 
 

 

3 hours ago, Teri313 said:

but do you really think Meri would let them bully her into a divorce?

Yes. What choice did she have, if Kody said the divorce was going to happen? Technically, she didn't even have to agree; Kody could've filed on his own. The whole 'Meri's idea' was a spin to try to make Kody & Robyn's actions palatable for the viewing public...as was written in the script. 

 

3 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

I don't know about bullying... Robyn is too smart for that,,,

Robyn offered to have a baby for Meri.... she's always working an angle.

I don't think she had any intention of carrying a baby for Meri but what a great way to make someone feel indebted to you.... like divorcing Kody to protect Robyn's kids... how can Meri refuse...

Robyn always gets her way in the end, yet these nitwits keep thinking it was their own idea.

^^^This. Oh my, she is a stealth bitch. If real people weren't involved and hurt, I'd have to admire her having the balls to play her scheming chess game....or Kody's balls...

3 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I'll bet that Robyn whined and cried to Kody that if something happened to her their father would take the children. She probably kept this up until a light bulb went off in Kody's head.

Again, the stealth on this master manipulator. She's playing the long game....

 

3 hours ago, 65mickey said:

 I remember Meri signing those divorce papers and she looked absolutely devastated. 

Unless one is a legitimate psychopath and/or sociopath, I personally do not think even the most despicable and unlikable people are irredeemable. Meri is definitely not a sociopath (Robyn might be) and I empathised greatly with her devastation. She was broken. And all it would've taken to help her through it would've been for Kody to show her some kindness, gratitude, and reassurance of his love. Instead, the ink isn't even dry and he's turns his back and to hell with Meri. It was really heartbreaking--seeing someone in that much pain--in this supposed 'all one big family' yet no one helps her navigate her hurt. This is what angers me about this show and their situation--it's a lie and the relationships are unhealthy at best and abusive at worst. Kody's friendliness with his wife-beating friend speaks an awful lot to his low opinion of and lack of respect for women; women in general, and his wives specifically. 
 

And with that, I'm out for a while. I'm giving up all forums for Lent (pray for me, lolz) so I'll catch you all on the flippity flip. Happy early Easter and I'm certain after Easter I'll be devouring all that I miss in the coming weeks. Please know that your snark and intelligence has brought me great joy during some rough times. I appreciate everyone's perspectives, even when we disagree, and I think you all are wonderful. 

[S11.E08: Doubting Polygamy]

16 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

I will say based on the snippet of Kody's meltdown I did agree with one thing he said - that Meri will hold the family hostage while she makes her decision. She did that with the whole fertility/baby thing and I can see her doing that now. 

To be fair, Kody is holding Meri's emotions hostage whilst he continues to punish her by withholding affection and any modicum of concern for her at all.
 

Yeah, I know the 'she needs to take accountability and own up to cheating' arguments, but it was years ago, she was humiliated on a world stage, wrong or right she was desperately vulnerable for love after Kody insisted on divorce to marry Robyn, and....hasn't anyone else doubled down on a version of a story, even knowing deep down it wasn't the truth, in a lame attempt to save a little face? Even if it doesn't save face, it puts an emotional barrier between Meri's utter humiliation and her ability to engage others concerning that humiliation--intimates and strangers alike. I remember doubling down on a lie, knowing my dad knew it was a lie, and just not being able to admit my humiliated weakness. Granted, I was like twelve, but I do not take for granted than Meri or anyone else in this family has ever had emotional or interpersonal intelligence and growth beyond their stunted youth. 

Everything about this lifestyle is disgusting. Meri had (what she thought was) an emotional affair with an intention to meet this man, largely to fill the void Kody nurtured, especially after his giddy romance with Robyn. But he gets to sleep with four women, and even worse, take no responsibility for their emotional, personal, and relational wellbeing. Yet, Meri is the cheater?! I'm not saying what she did was okay. But I am saying it's understandable. Saying 'they knew what they were getting into' regarding polygamy is no argument--we go into things with hope and good intentions, and then we start to see things as they really are. And these women (the first three, anyway) simply do not have the emotional and relational skills to improve their lot quickly. I think it's encouraging that Christine is defending her preference to have her own house, and Meri seems to be trolling them this season a bit, but this was a long time coming. One last bit on the stupid catfish issue: I get why Mariah was angry and hurt by Meri, especially when she warned her. But, especially Miss Woke who wants a career in social work, needs to have a bit of empathy just on a human level. Was she ever or is she now angry at Kody's distain for her mother? Did she not see how hurt her mother was--devastated, actually-- when her father divorced her? Does she understand that her mother is surrounded by many children but only one is her own? How long is too long to punish someone? I say this as a person who has a very fraught and distant relationship with my own mother. There is hurt and damage that cannot be undone, and whilst I keep my emotional distance, I can have empathy for my mother's situations.  I don't let her in, but I don't punish her for what's passed. 
///rant. Mea culpa....I've held that in for awhile 😂 

[S11.E08: Doubting Polygamy]

1 hour ago, smarty2020 said:

If you google it, it appears that Kody was going to be a character witness for Kyle in his trial had it actually gone to trial and Kyle not taken the plea deal.

I went to 'like' this comment with an anger emoticon and realised for the millionth time there isn't one. I need an 'I am furious' and a 'puke/disgusting' option to express my emotions regarding this clusterfuck. Not that I'm surprised that the asshole Kody would be a character witness for another asshole.  That woman's injuries were horrific. I don't care if someone is a horrible person (not saying she is, just for argument's sake), you DO NOT BEAT THE EVERLIVING SHIT OUT OF ANYONE EVER. And you don't continue a friendship with such a person. Kody has zero moral high ground upon which to judge anyone, including his wives. 

[Mykelti]

3 hours ago, Meowwww said:

I’m tall, 5’11”.  I buy long jeans at Old Navy.  When they are on sale....4 for $55.  
They are a bit too long on me and sometimes the hens brush on the floor, leading to my own distressed hems.  So much cheaper than LLNo.  

What?! You aren't buying the super special, rare long pants only available at Victoria's Secret? 

[S11.E06: An Awkward Valentine's Day]

1 hour ago, luckykat said:

I swear I will burn Utica to the ground

Nice Office reference! 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻

[Leon Brown: So Here's Me]

58 minutes ago, tabloidlover said:

Im sorry ya’ll.  I’m confused... what is this “coffee” that you speak of?   Is this a common thing?  🙄🙄

It is the nectar of the gods.... best enjoyed black, in my opinion. One of my favourite quotes:
 

"What do you want?"
"Just coffee. Black - like my soul."

---Cassandra Clare

[S11.E06: An Awkward Valentine's Day]

12 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Three wives listening and commenting while Meri was turned toward the camera crew with her nasty smirk!

She exhausts me!!!

Oh, I don't know, I think it's a kind of self deprecating humour. 
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F6xWQt3NF9VqBW%2Fgiphy.gif&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fgiphy.com%2Fexplore%2Fjim-kerr&tbnid=n1ZFVS7oZZyQdM&vet=12ahUKEwjQuMnpzcfnAhWGJ80KHRNbDeEQMygsegUIARCtAg..i&docid=Jwdai3NN3CPT4M&w=245&h=217&q=jim halpert smirk gif&hl=en-gb&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwjQuMnpzcfnAhWGJ80KHRNbDeEQMygsegUIARCtAg
 

[Janelle Brown: Smarter Than Your Average Brown (Maybe)]

On 2/2/2020 at 1:37 PM, Kyanight said:

it's not difficult to eat healthier - it's just MUCH more fun to eat crap.    I should know - I love crap.  But it should be a treat, not the norm!

Every day is special for Janelle, apparently. 

[Small Talk: The Polygamous Cul-de-Sac]

On 1/30/2020 at 8:14 AM, laurakaye said:

Regarding the mountains, Denver, etc....My husband and I are thinking about going to Denver in May to visit my son (he works at Keystone Resort, a ways away from Denver).  In my perfect trip we get to see him, we go to Coors Stadium to watch the Rockies play the Tigers, and we squeeze in a train ride of some sort through the mountains.  Any tips on places to stay in Denver and which train ride might be fun?  We've never been to Colorado, and my son absolutely loves it there, so I am looking forward to hopefully going to see for myself!

You can't go wrong anywhere, but a few of our favourite places: Ouray; Eldorado Canyon (not far from Denver and some excellent fly fishing); the aquarium downtown is fun. Keystone itself is beautiful. And look into State and Federal Parks. I hope you have fun. 

[Leon Brown: So Here's Me]

7 hours ago, TurtlePower said:

Pasty and pallid is a “glow”? 

Why yes, it is! I'm so pale I glow in the dark. Seriously--I'm so pale I have to buy the 'snow' and 'porcelain' makeup shades that very few brands carry, and in contrast to my very dark hair, I always joke about being a vampire! But I want to state for the record that I never take grinning, squinty-eyed, woke, sweaty, dirty-haired, pidgin-toed pictures and post them. 😂 😂 😂 

[Christine Brown Woolley: Nacho Sister Wife Anymore]

6 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

Let's set up a GoFundMe for the neutering of Kootie... It's a good cause and I'm sure we'll get plenty of donations.

If we get enough we could switch to full on castration!  🎆 💥🙆🙋  YAY!!!!! 

Ladies, there's no need for this; Robyn has his balls locked away in her purse. 

[Meri Brown and her Wet Bar of Tears]

On 1/23/2020 at 8:14 PM, Joan of Argh said:

🙄

Dear Meri, 

[Mykelti]

On 1/29/2020 at 12:47 PM, Joan of Argh said:

Why do they all wear clothing that's obviously too damn small????

I'm wondering if they wear what LLR sends, because don't they just send whatever? I cannot imagine plunking down hundreds or thousands of dollars for a company to send me boxes full of horrendous clothes that I try to pass off as fashion. Do other LLR folks wear too small items--are they made to be that way? I loathe MLMs. The Browns at least have a built in client base to sell to, but every MLM "businesswoman" I've met--and I've known A LOT--basically begs all her friends and relatives to "support her business" and ends up losing a shit ton of money and alienating everyone she knows. It's really sad. 

[S11.E03: Lonely in Flagstaff]

On 1/23/2020 at 9:07 AM, laurakaye said:

Dr. Nancy should have been long gone and a true professional brought in to make sense of the motivations behind their actions. 

Yeah, I don't care enough to research Dr Nancy's credentials, but based on some of the episodes with her I saw a land mine of ethical issues. I think most of what she "offers" borders on malpractice and she harmed more than helped any of those women. But a real therapist would point out the abusive and toxic nature of their relationships and then TLC wouldn't have its show, so.... we have Nancy. 

[Maddie Brown: Seeking a One-Woman Man]

39 minutes ago, Joan of Argh said:

She is such a cutie pie ❤

She really is a beautiful girl. I've mentioned before that my kids and I have a genetic cancer disease; yesterday my 16yo had her first surgery to treat tumours. She's projected to have up to ten just to take care of the current issues. It hurt me so much to see my father sick and in pain, and it devastated me when he died. It's a different but equally intense hurt to see my kids experience pain, fear, anxiety, etc. We do pretty well at enjoying each day, not worrying about what might happen--we take care of cancer when necessary and otherwise live joyful and grateful lives.
 

Because of this experience, I have a great deal of empathy for Maddie. I think that she's never been taught how to be a good parent and I'm certain she's doing the best she can. But they've created a monster with Axel and then adding a baby with significant health issues--I imagine it's extremely difficult for her to get through each day. Seriously, look at her parents--how can she NOT be struggling? She's never been taught emotional and interpersonal skills with Janelle avoiding everything (WTAF with her fishing the day of her daughter's wedding) and Kody being a narcissistic, abusive, absent asshat. I  hope she can find her way and it seems like Caleb is good to her. I really feel for her. 

[Leon Brown: So Here's Me]

16 hours ago, TurtlePower said:

Self-care, self-care, self-care. So sick and tired of this entitled brat and her sharing her “self care” all over social media.  How does she expect to help anyone else? 

I have a theory: She's going through a social work graduate program. I'm a psychologist but there is a lot of overlap. Throughout my studies and postgraduate work, 'self care' was preached over and over. For me, it was a reminder that in these types of professions you have to be very aware of the balance between 'other' care and 'self' care. It takes diligence to both serve patients/clients well and maintain firm emotional boundaries; in short, leave work at work. Self care is necessary BECAUSE your career is GIVING. As Mariah goes through her program, she's too immature emotionally and socially to integrate self care into her life to maintain balance. She's latching on to all of the 'putting yourself first' elements and narcissistic navel gazing but hasn't participated in any such work which would require self replenishment because of the heavy empathic investment required in helping others. If she is serious about social work, she'll soon learn that the clients she sees will be in crisis. REAL crisis, not 'I can't move into my house when everyone else is moving and it's a tragedy.' She will encounter people who are abused (and abusers, tbh), poor, mentally ill, marginalised, etc. So my theory is that she has zero practical experience but keeps hearing 'self care' mentioned, so she embraces that to mean she should indulge herself all the day long. 
 

Her comment about grad school being just reading, talking, and thinking?! I worked my ass off in grad school. My husband (bless him--he's wonderful) watched our kids whilst I was in class several evenings a week and some weekends, as well as the hours upon hours of, yes--reading and thinking, but also heavy research and writing. I would estimate the weekly output of writing was between 20-30 pages of heavily researched papers. Then on top of that was typically a final type of research project or paper to produce, sometimes tests (for classes like psychopharmacology), practicum, internships, meetings with supervisors, peer reviews, etc. It was gruelling and I loved it. I'm always hungry for knowledge, wisdom, how I can be a better person and I enjoy postgrad continuing education. It seems like Mariah's program is fluff if she has the time for her classes, café time (granted, she could be reading and/or writing), and self congratulatory posts. 
 

I could be wrong--and I'm not too proud to admit wrong and apologise. But based on the information these people willing project, there is an abundance of entitlement and selfishness represented in the Brown family.  

[Christine Brown Woolley: Nacho Sister Wife Anymore]

7 minutes ago, Kyanight said:

My oldest daughter and her husband live in Berthoud, but that's as far north as I usually go!  I know Thornton VERY well - not sure how long you lived there but it sure has changed in the last 10 years.  The traffic is horrendous!  lol

Indeed it has. We've been in Loveland for twelve years and every time I venture south I'm so grateful to be out of the metro area. Growing up 128th & Colorado-ish, it was farmland all around and enormous trees and creeks. I'm sorry it's suburbanised now, but what can you do? You know, Flagstaff does look like it has some beautiful areas and I'm dumbfounded (as I am always by this lot) as to why they bought the Wile E. Coyote Plagueland. These people are astounding in their lack of foresight and lack of self awareness. 

[Christine Brown Woolley: Nacho Sister Wife Anymore]

1 hour ago, Kyanight said:

I live in the foothills of the Rocky Mountains in Colorado.  I used to roll my eyes when people in other states called their hills "mountains", but I guess a mountain is a mountain in the eyes of the beholder. 

So do I! Northern Colorado now; born in Denver, raised in Thornton. I can see the (REAL!) mountains from my family room. Whenever I leave Colorado I have no idea which way is what because the mountains are always west! I'm directionally challenged. 
 

Add me to the club that thinks the Prairie Dog Plague land will never house the Browns. 

[Leon Brown: So Here's Me]

On 1/27/2020 at 6:20 PM, Joan of Argh said:

Her eggs are going braless too....

My youngest daughter, now 13, used to call eggs cooked this way 'boob eggs'. She was like three and it still makes me laugh. 

[Meri Brown and her Wet Bar of Tears]

2 hours ago, deirdra said:

The chin and forehead movements are just like Meri's.  I'd hate to see you animate Janelle's digestive issues.  LOL.

Oh, please please pretty please do ones for all the Brownie adults @Joan of Argh  

Kody with his Manson eyes in his shit pond and speedo, Janelle with her digestive issues and StriFe, Christine hearing angels singingk, Tony's toys and tacos, Mariah with her yoga and squinting... and perhaps a nonfunny one of Logan and Michelle because they're kind of awesome--I love that they are essentially living the opposite way Logan grew up. 

[Meri Brown and her Wet Bar of Tears]

On 1/4/2020 at 8:42 PM, Phoebe70 said:

Why do they looked so pissed off in that photo? Janelle looks like she could murder someone. If they believe “this lifestyle makes each of us better,” shouldn’t they at least attempt a smile?

 

On 1/4/2020 at 8:51 PM, the-grey-lady said:

Kody's eyes look particularly sharky and beady.

 

On 1/4/2020 at 9:33 PM, Gramto6 said:

I read somewhere...don't remember where now that they were supposed to be looking mad in the  photo. Why??

I only caught half of the episode, but I think this is their 'we-are-haughty-polygamists-with-extra-freezers-monogamists-only-have-one-we-are-persecuted-Persecuted-we-say!-neighbours-called-the-police-because-they-hate-our-special-lifestyle-fuck-you-you-monogamist-freaks!' faces. For all the 'poor persecuted us' whining, I sense underneath it all that they enjoy playing victims because of their 'lifestyle'. My husband was high up in law enforcement (just retired six months ago to start Career2.0) and I can verify that the police will not respond to a neighbour complaint because 'they don't like us polygamists'. Notice their very careful and precise wording and all that they leave out. No, Meri was kicked out for legitimate reasons. 
 

Kody looks like he got a new perm for his pissed off photo shoot. How precious.  

[Maddie Brown: Seeking a One-Woman Man]

On 11/2/2019 at 11:23 PM, Joan of Argh said:

I agree.... I think they'll definitely be putting this on the show and I can't say I blame them.

I kind of suspect that the reason they went public now was to get it out there so when the show starts they can make a smooth transition into the show and why they're there.

TLC might have been there for Evie's birth and already have it ready to go.

If it was me I think I'd try to secure a spot on the show for as long as possible so hubby could stay at home and help... There will be lots of doctor visits and traveling back and forth etc and Caleb could be a huge comfort and help to Maddie.

On a side note it was nice to see an actual smile on Axel's face and he looked cute! 😁

I 1000% agree. I have a rare genetic cancer disease. My brothers have it, all my kids have it, and my dad died at 61 from it. (OMG!! I just realised that today is the tenth anniversary of his death. And it's also my oldest daughter's 16th birthday. A lot of mixed emotions). 
 

Back on topic.....if I had the TLC platform I would exploit the hell out of it to get the word out about our disease. Cancer researchers work closely wish our population because we get a variety of cancers. NPR just put something out about advances in cancer research and my disease; the researchers won the Nobel. https://www.npr.org/2019/10/07/768032903/3-physician-scientists-will-share-2019-nobel-prize-for-physiology-or-medicine

Hell to the yes I would sign up for as much exposure as possible. This disease has devastated my family, drained financial resources, and has rendered me essentially disabled at 40. I would hate to be on television for any reason, but something to help my kids' future, cancer research, and financial provision? Yes, please.  
 

I was going to highlight so many excellent points regarding parenting, boundaries, consistent discipline, etc etc. but it's really unnecessary--you all have it covered. As a psychologist and a mother, I'll just give everyone two thumbs up for being reasonable, common sense, intelligent, and delightfully witty people. 

[Maddie Brown: Seeking a One-Woman Man]

On 10/24/2019 at 10:12 AM, Galloway Cave said:

I rilly, rilly hope Maddie doesn't allow this to be a story line. But knowing Kody, he will sell the soul of his poor granddaughter just to keep the gravy train going.

As a person with a rare genetic cancer disease, if it was me I'd exploit TLC to get word out about my rare condition. I have to explain my disease to many doctors. There is an organisation that is solely dedicated to supporting my disease and funding research. Many scientists are studying my disease because what they learn is valuable to cancer research at large. 
 

Then again, I'd never be on a reality show, so.....

[Janelle Brown: Smarter Than Your Average Brown (Maybe)]

On 10/21/2019 at 9:55 AM, laurakaye said:

"The cravings for sugar and rich, yummy, gooey, cheesy restaurant food became almost deafening." - Janelle Brown, Strive "Health Coach" (lolololz)

Holy crap.  You guys.  Does she KNOW that you do NOT HAVE to order the richest, gooiest, cheesiest thing on a restaurant menu?  Or does she only eat at restaurants that serve up a smorgasbord of gooey slimy fat rich sugary crud?  She acts like if she steps foot into an eating establishment, she's going to get attacked from all sides by globs of lard or something.  She CANNOT be this stupid.  Even someone with a rudimentary grasp of how food works knows that there are GOOD choices and BAD choices.  It's not rocket science!

She is almost beyond snark territory here.  I just.......???!?

It's almost 2pm and I was just thinking about have some lunch....perhaps tomato soup....then I read this sentence and I'm a bit sick to my stomach at the thought. Date night with husband tonight though (yay!!) so we'll likely be headed to a (gasp!) restaurant, where I will be ordering a normal person meal. Perhaps grilled chicken and salad, maybe tortilla soup....see how that works, Janelle? YOU get to CHOOSE from the menu, which usually has either healthy options or less-horrible options. Good grief. 🙄