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Joffrey, or at least Tywin knows about the Dragons though, doesn't he? Someone from King's Landing basically poo-poohed the entire notion as being akin to sideshow attractions.
Like maybe they think the dragons are costumed birds, or the fact that they were the size of sheep the last time they heard a report of them made them roll their eyes. Has anyone ever seen those "UFOs are totally real ! Man in the desert says he found an alien in his backyard!" *black and white image that would freak you the hell out if you found that thing in the turnip patch, looks spectacularly freaky, even viewed from a great distance of time* and then you realize it's a shaved chimpanzee (if you think I'm joking around here, I'm not, that was actually an image used in one of those conspiracy theory nutjob magazines in the 1960s, raving about Area 51 and all that).
So he might believe that, or the other thing to keep in mind is this: It shocked the hell out of me when Dany was completely unscathed by the flames, right down to her hair (which...yeah, so let's not examine that one too closely) ...but the thing is, maybe people within the story always understood that the people who rode the dragons could not be harmed by flames. Remember Dany, kind of almost in a trance after Viserys had the worst day ever at the Milliners? In a near trance she said, "Fire cannot harm a dragon".
Well, clearly everyone knew that Aerys and Rhaegar were "Dragons" ....Aerys I'm assuming, because the bastard was big with burning everyone, which seems like the kind of thing only a Teflon King would undertake with such abandon. Then also, everyone refers to Rhaegar as "The last dragon" even Inigo Martell . Seriously, what the hell is that guy's actual name? Right now I am calling him Inigo and his paramour, courtesan or concubine is Naobi (from Rooooommmmme!) but I'm sure they must have actual names. Also, just as an aside? Inigo Rocks that man-dress style of overcoat/outerdress.
Anyway, it's apparently known that the Targaryen Dragons are fireproof (someone early was wondering why that hasn't gotten around as a rumor and it's because, I think...that parts not news or shocking and they think the rumor the dragons is just that "dressed up hawks maybe") .
Where was I? Oh yeah, 700 feet of wall, which we've seen the top span of that when Jon and Sam were at the top of it in the first season, and whereas the pyramids were built by slave forces, and the kingdoms may have had slave forces in droves back at the time the wall became...there's more to structural engineering than that and yeah, something 700 feet tall, which is about half the height of the Empire State Building for frame of reference...actually needs structural engineering to withstand things like winds that allow for some flexibility.
Long story short? You'd need some kind of structural engineering to keep that thing up during a breeze, the pyramids (the tallest of which is a little under 500ft) actually are built to a peak because of the need to engineer a structure past a certain height and you know...blah blah blah...engineering is a little more complicated than "You pour water on it, let it freeze, wait, pour more, let it freeze." That would work for a snow fort. That would not work for something 700 ft. tall. If you need an example, the great wall of China was only 20 feet tall at it's highest points and unlike skyscrapers that need to hold up what amounts to a pole there's an entirely different set of structural rules at play for a wall of that height and length.
So either we are to suspend reality (see Dany's unscorched hair) and just go with it, or it was a standing structure that they just managed to commandeer for their own purposes (down with that too) or they really don't know their own history well enough to know how the darned thing got there (seems the most probable to me). After all, Sam's considered something of a freak within the story for (basically) knowing things from books.
The other possibility is that the author of the book series is better at imagining dragons than he is at structural engineering...which is also fine.
ETA: And I'm going to take this opportunity, to attempt our first character thread for this:
Yes, I was a bit puzzled by Jorah's reaction too. To be honest, I'm not crazy about Jorah. What does he know about raising dragons? Shut up, Jorah! ;-)For Jorah Mormont.
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eta. crossposted. StillShimpy do you use Firefox or Chrome? You can copy the link without even opening the page. Just right click on the hyperlink and select "Copy link location."
Depends which computer I'm on, but in this instance, Chrome and if I'm on my Mac, Safari, but in either instance? I didn't know that, so thank you, the ArtistFormerlyKnown as ThatPoshGirl, now 90PercentGravity, I really appreciate the help there.
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I'm going to bet it's this thread, annsterg.
If that works, we will have proof that I can copy links with my eyes closed, just in case.
Next up, I will pat my head and rub my tummy. Or possibly giggle while polkaing. I can never really tell what I'll do next. But this:
VERY PARTICULAR NEEDS and I don't want to presume. :)Made me laugh my butt off, so now I need to go find my backside.
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Weirdly, I had popped over here to comment that Kathleen Sebelius has resigned. Whenever I hear or see her name, I always think about that nearly disastrous interview with Jon, in which he just couldn't let go of the "Why didn't we get a single-payer option?" question.
That pertains to Pele too, I think. He is from Brazil and arguably the most famous soccer player of all time, but he can't answer for the spending and security issues. He did raise some concerns about the airports in the press, but he was there to promote his book. I don't think it would have been appropriate under those circumstances.
I didn't mind Jon's being so clearly starstruck. Also, Pele's command of the English language certainly exceeds my Portuguese, so I can't cast aspersions on his language acquisition skills. I thought he was delightful and I teared up when he gave Jon that jersey.
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With a possibility of guts.
It would be like a really weird weather report. I like it!
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Yes, I think and episode thread would be great. Thank you.
I don't know the titles, but they should be fine. I mean, unless they are something long the lines of "Joffrey dies at long freaking last!" or something super spoilerific.
I don't ever worry about them, because they never mean anything to me until after I've seen the episode. Like I'd have guessed that "Two Swords" was about a duel. So....yeah, I think titles are fine.
Yes, snowblack! That is my dog, she is a wonderful, wonderful girl and I had her professionally photographed....because I'm a little nuts about her and she's black, so it's impossible to get good pictures of her without really good equipment.
Her name is Puddles, but it actually doesn't mean anything about peeing. That's just the name she was on Petfinder under and we freaked out and adopted her, because no one in their right mind would adopt a dog named Puddles. (yes, I know what that implies, but at least my husband and I have each other, so the rest of the world is safe from us).
So we bought a steam cleaner and adopted the dog. Turns out she's fully housetrained and practically part camel.
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I am going to spitball the "primary entertainment" involves either Sansa or Loras.
You know, I think if that were the case, Joffrey would have been avidly interested. As in jumping up and down, peeing his pants with sadistic glee.
Also, Tywin wouldn't actually go for it. Sansa is his daughter-in-law, which means her last name is now Lannister and Loras is betrothed to his daughter.
Nothing is happening at that ceremony that Tywin fails to know about. Yes, it was a meeting with Joffrey ad the Kingsguard, but as much as I think Jaime sucks, I don't think he'd actually not even bat an eye over those developments.
I think the "Yes, by the...thing." just meant "The wedding ceremony." meaning Joffrey is just about as interested in the entire proceeding as he is in eating his vegetables. A necessary evil. If it was something sick, twisted, demented and cruel? This "the thing" they'd have had his full attention and demands for details.
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*Points upwards*....Hey look guys...the reason we exist in the first place, to live on and be a pain in David's butt and all you fine people.
Our very own old god, who actually created the entire Unspoiled Speculation thread in the first place.
Thank you, Monty aka TWoP Dietrich/Montykins.
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I haven't, but that makes sense, White Stumbler doesn't it? I mean, their moon would necessarily look like ours, so they'd have to CGI one in. Be kind of a tiny detail to spend money on.
Look! Over there!
*in the momentary distraction I have created, I ask Janjan to check PMs on TWoP. *
Oh, never mind. Must have been a squirrel.
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Has anyone seen a moon on the show?
We know there is a moon, WhiteStumbler. I was just over in our original thread the other day, grabbing some stuff (she says vaguely, but you can probably guess what I was copying and then pasting for my own personal violate-no-laws use) and someone had actually quote the "It is known" chorus girls from the first episodes as having explained to Dany where Dragons came from in the beginning. Apparently there were two moons, according to It Is Known Girl, one came too close to the sun and cracked open.
So there are moon(s). It is known. *nods*
Huh. "The most extreme seasons imaginable." Sounds like... winter is coming!Man, I hope not. Where I live Winter has just barely consented to leave.
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Thank you so much for doing this for us, SilverStormm, Mya Stone and Which Tyler. Sincerely, it's so appreciated and you are all Giants among Men* in my eyes :-) (*universal rather than gender-specific us of Men).
Thank you, thank you and thank you again.
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*crashes in* Nice digs! *starts scattering personal items around lounge* Good to see everyone, hello, hello! *puts down half-dead fern * Man, plants hate to move *sticks pile of single socks in search of a mate in corner * I'm assuming the other one will eventually emerge from that void in the universe, it only makes sense, really! *flops down on comfy chair*
Hi, I'm stillshimpy. I'm part of the recently relocated (and always verbose) TWoP Unsullied. Here to share daft theories, the occasional mug of bitter tears and grog, because there must be grog. If there is not grog, then chocolate will do in a pinch.
Hey, by the by, after talking about grog-this and grog-that for three solid years over on TWoP I actually attempted to figure out how to make grog over the summer. So...grog. More fun as a word than a recipe. I'm just saying.
Nice to meet you, Snowblack. Well to restore your faith in some bookwalkers, Glory, my brother-in-law, all 6'5" of him stood in my driveway a week before the Red Wedding and when I told him what the Unsullied were, he looked to the left for a moment, looked back and said, "Well, there's some stuff coming up." and left it at that. No telling inflection, no goggle eyes. Could have been remarking on the weather. He kind of rocks. And smokes a lot of pot, which might explain his extreme restraint (he lives in Seattle so he's not breaking any big laws there).
All hail David, thanks for the sweet pad :-)
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I've always thought that the Wall must be a magical structure though. Perhaps it's not, but it's not possible by anything we understand, or by what passes for technology that we've seen within the story. There seem to be different forces at play in this particular world so the rules of our reality and theirs aren't exactly the same.
So I accept that, but I've always wondered how the characters within the story think that wall got there. I've heard the men of the Wall talking about how they built this 700 foot wall to keep the things of the North on the other side of it. It was just sort of presented as a story fact though, "We built this 700 foot wall, however many hundreds or thousands of years ago..." Huh. Well, how? How'd you do that? World's weirdest bucket brigade? It's an engineering impossibility so who knows.
As for their weather patterns, yeah, that's not technically possible either. Nan talked about a winter that lasted 20 years and talked about King's freezing to death on their thrones, etc. Well, no one survives that. You could dry fruits and vegetables for twenty years leading up to that and ....you know skip all that. It's one of the areas where it becomes kind of obvious "We're in the Fantasy genre, folks! Winters last for decades in the worst case scenario and recessive genes apparently don't really exist for Baratheons. Sure, why not? Just go with it."
That's just one of the battle cries of the genre, I think. Does it make a ton of sense? Well, no. Neither do dead armies walking, or men coming back from the dead multiple times, to name a few. Some of this is sort of "the gods decreed in that world, and I just go with it in this one" stuff.
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God, I forget about Benjen, but then so does the show. Gods know they aren't averse to recasting a role, so it can't be solely about actor availability. It's probably going to turn out that the damned Thenns ate him. That was probably his arm on the fire.
Anyway, I've never subscribed to the many and varied theories on who Jon Snow might be. I think he's Ned's son, plain and simple. However, since Ned assured him "You may not have my name, but you have my blood" (which is why I think Jon is his son, oddly enough) then the belief is that Jon is Lyanna Stark's son with Rhaegar Targaryen...who was married to the poor split-apart Martell so he'd be no more legitimate than Gendry would.
Also, Jojen Reed, if we can believe anything out of his elfin face, said that he was able to see the battle his father and Ned fought together while in his dream world. So presumably Bran and Jojen can time-travel in the Netherworld. Not that that serves as proof of anything to anyone, but that may be how the story approaches it.
I am more than half convinced that Dany is going to decide to stay east of the Narrow Sea and be content to rule an empire of Freed Slave Cities, or that Westeros will be overrun with WWs and everyone will hightail it over there (ETA "to Essos"), but who knows?Hehe, but haven't you heard? She'll take what is hers with Blood and Fire and not be denied her birthright! She is Daenarys Targaryen and she is the MOTHER OF..." stop me if you've heard this one already....
Fine White Stumbler, but Stannis has abandoned his quest for the the Throne and is heading for the Wall to get it on with the White Walkers. Then afterwards perhaps he can head back to King's Landing and be Good King Actuary with Occasional Blood Magic.
Good King Dullard was a Dull Old Soul
and Pedantic soul was he,
He called for his rule book
and he called for his hit list
and he called for his leeches three
every rule he could break
The Iron Throne to Take
Was his way of making merry
Neener back atcha ;-)
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If there is another contender for the Iron Throne with a legitimate claim who is better, I would love to hear who that is. Ultimately, I want Good King Hodor, but until then.
Dany?
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Ha!! Maybe. He'll tell them some of Nan's stories and put them all to sleep for good. Although those stories were sort of hair raising, they'd be boring as hell to the White Walkers. "Yes, yes, we know. Pale spiders the size of dogs, we have them right here."
Now here's one of the areas that i just can't figure out. Did Stannis want Daavos to let Gendry go? He knew all about Daavos's objections. He knew Daavos was running around free and hates Melisandre. So was he sort of hoping Daavos would let Gendry go? That's what I wondered. Until Stannis didn't hesitate in ordering Daavos killed. In which case, he was willing to use Daavos pretty harshly.
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stillshimpy: The Iron Throne is his by right; all those who deny that are his foes. You will bend the knee or be destroyed! ;-)
Now about this, here's something that goes to the heart of why I just don't like the dude. He has no loyalty that I can perceive. The only reason that Stannis has all that "Mine by right!" belief in the Iron Throne, has to do with the fact that Ned Stark sent out letters as Robert lay dying, whacked out on "Milk of the Puppy" , dying oblivious to the fact that he had left no legitimate heir.
Stannis only knows he has a claim to the Throne because of Ned. All this, "Mine by right!" No, your brother won the Throne, Stannis and then was tricked out of leaving an heir to the throne by the Lannisters. His "rights" are really related to their deception of Robert. This was never something that seemed to bother Stannis or Renly. Now I know Robert said he didn't love either of them, and frankly, I'm not sure I blame him. Although apparently Stannis fought in the Rebellion so he helped his more charismatic brother win the Throne.
It's just we've seen him have Renly murdered in a fairly cowardly manner. Although there is little glory to be had in going to war with ones own brother, I'm sure, it really did seem like proof of why Robert was less than fond of the guy. At least Renly was willing to listen to Catelyn (for all the good it did either of them) about the Starks and Baratheons having always been allies. Stannis really, really doesn't care about that kind of -- I don't know how to put it -- warm and fuzzy? -- sort of connection. He didn't have a moment's hesitation about dropping a leech onto the grill with the words "The Usurper, Robb Stark" ...dude, the only and I do mean only reason Stannis knows he has a claim to the Throne was because of Ned Stark and he was murdered for his trouble.
But no olive branches to Robb, no "Let us join forces to stop the Lannisters once and for all. They have wronged both of our families gravely." Nope. Just "Die, you mutha throne stealer, die. Magic rites and sneers. Hope your head is all 'splodey. Suck it."
I think that's why Stannis's adherence to the rules just pisses me off. There's no sense of right, or fairness, rules of decency, or nobility in his adherence to those rules, his adherence? Dude, he employed black magic to murder his own brother and the oldest legitimate son of the man he owes a debt to. His definition of the rules and following them is highly flexible, whether or not he admits it to himself. He only seems to give a convenient form of lip service to the concept of following the rules.
Also, being willing to murder Gendry for still more magic? Seriously, if Stannis isn't bewitched, he just sucks in my eyes.
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Fair enough, different people like different kinds of characters, obviously. I'm with you on all of the characters having suffered through long stretches of "My God, this is sort of labored and feels a little pointless." It might be purposeful to offset the action.
Stannis just seems like one of those characters that needs the page vs. the screen to flesh him out. It seems so much of this man is internal. I don't claim to like, understand or have any interest in him, but I also think that he's the story's born rule follower after Ned lost his Head. I think he serves a function within the story. This is not a story that rewards that sort of "by the guidebook" gameplay.
I will grant you, he has shown anger, so he isn't completely without emotion.
Yeah, sorry guys, but he pretty much puts me to sleep. I'm glad he works for other people.
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She didn't use her mind, at least as far as we know, she looked past Blue Lips Wizard from the House of UnDying to her black dragon (who was the size of smallish Calico cat at the time) and did the "Dracarus" thing which apparently means, "Burn this, yo." and he did.
Yup exactly. I personally think Stannis' destiny is getting burned by Melisandre at some point. Possibly this season.( Hello? She needs 'King's blood' to do her stuff. Who's the most convenient king? Just so obvious.. )
He had some good scenes in season 2 and with his daughter but at this point he just seems like a secondary character in Melisandre's storyline.
He does seem to be a bit-player in his own quest for the Throne, doesn't he? Plus, he's got nothing I can personally invest in, or any kind of emotional inner-world that they are able to convey in any compelling manner. I think Jon Snow is unspeakably dull as a character, but I will give the actor playing him his due: He conveys that Jon Snow never has an emotionally comfortable moment. This is a person in constant emotional turmoil and whereas the depth of his pain feels a bit "Welcome to Dawson's Creek" to me, I've no doubt it exists.
Just outlining that because he may not be my favorite character, but he registers as a human being with all that makes up that emotional spectrum. Stannis is just like an overly strict Detention Hall Monitor. He seems sort of vaguely fond of his daughter, but my god, with friends like Stannis, you'd be blessed to have enemies instead, because Daavos is someone who was his right hand man and I can't even start to count the shit Stannis has done to him without even a flicker of emotional turmoil or hesitation.
Yes, people like that exist. People who are just sort of flatliners. Typically they don't make for compelling centers for dramatic action. We didn't see him chop off Daavos fingers, but I'm willing to hang my butt over the cliff and speculate: He probably didn't care when he did it. When he learned Daavos was alive, despite his seeming death his "You're alive." had all the emotional resonance of a burned out Glade-Plug-in. The ghost of whatever makes it worthwhile is just baked on and interchangeable with plastic.
I get the whole "Lobster" deal. He's a cold water fish and hard-shelled. Well, bully for him. Lord, he's uninteresting, but it's worse than that, I don't actually understand why he wants anything at all and that's a character-development-sin. "Because it's in the rule book of life that he should be King." So have him played by a textbook, it would be as gripping for this particular viewer.
Tywin is the same kind of emotionally contained and inaccessible character, but I truly feel like I understand a lot about him. I might not, but I feel like I do. I feel as if there are things there to perceive. That stuff about still waters, as the cliche goes, seems to hold true. Stannis has the emotional depth of a puddle. A puddle of bland and unfeeling, while we're at it.
However, I will shout with damned glee if we spend hours with Stannis and none at all with Ramsey, who needs a hobby other than carving away on humans. I would be pleased as punch if when we inevitably roll up to the Dreadfort -- since that damned thing is in the credits, we're going there this season, I guess -- and instead of seeing him, a Monty Python style cartoon dropped from the sky with a banner reading "And then Winter Came and they ate Ramsay and his minstrels."
Oh hey, well, at least I have something for the Thenns to do in the story, after all.
ETA: As for why Cersei objects to being married off to Loras, why wouldn't she object to that? Even though it is common in that world for women to be treated as things and bartered away like they have no voice, will, or again, individual internal world, she does actually possess all of those things. Gilded cages don't help with the entire concept of someone else arranging you in life like a settee. I think it would be particularly painful when Cersei really wants her father to see her as "having something to contribute". She didn't mean as livestock to be traded.
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When was this volcano in Valeriya point mentioned? I don't seem to recall this at all.
It's on the sword thing, rotating wheel-of-death-and-carvings in the beginning of the credits, apparently. I've never actually noticed it but that's also because I'm always looking for what animal is eating/killing/conquering/snuggling (hey I can dream) the other sigil animal.
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Thank you so much, David, that looks great and we're really grateful that you managed to find a solution for us that was workable for everyone Sincerely, thank you and thanks to your staff here too. Sorry we come with the screaming hordes and all that. I'm sorry we're sometimes part of the screaming hordes.
Now, I just assumed that the "Doom of Valeria" was a plague, not a a volcanic eruption. I thought the erupting Volcanoes actually signified what produced the actual Dragons. I guess I also assumed that "the blood of old Valeria had something to do with her Genetic Teflon schtick. That "Blood of Old Valeria" meant being tied to those who controlled and conquered with dragons.
Great catch on Tile Face Lady painting that guy with symbols to protect him against "The Doom" . I still think it might have been a plague vs volcanic eruptions, although I admit neither actually makes a ton of sense, come to think of it. It is was a volcanic eruption that destroyed Valeria, that would explain why there was no more Valerian steel (as someone who takes Valerian root to help me sleep, it always cracks me up when Valerian Steel is mentioned, it just seems so contradictory). It wouldn't really explain the "sail too close to the doom" magical protection symbols though. Unless they believe that's what keeps the Volcanoes from erupting when sailors pass. What I mainly remember about that scene is she was getting that red paint/dye/ink out of a skull. Really startling stuff.
That was also one of the times the show went a little to "It's fantasy!" on my butt, because that scene was random and weird and seemed to serve no long-term purpose. I guess Dany's story always interests me less, because she seems so safe and guaranteed to remain so. That's not necessarily a bad thing, she's far less horrifying a character than many, but it does mean that most of the things that go on n that story seem a foregone conclusion to me. "Yes, they'll conquer." "Yes, she'll free the slaves." "Yes, she'll eventually actually start making her way to King's Landing.
So it's harder for me to invest in that story. I'm usually sort of impatient for it to get back to the other action.
Anyone want to take bets on how many times Dany will talk about: "You don't want to lose to a girl" or start raving about her birthright and taking it by force, with blood, fire, the occasional mini-mart franchise?
That was really my fear when I saw the gruesome Signposts up ahead for the Crucifixion Zone "Oh Shit, is it going to be the blue lip wizards in action again?" because that means a lot of shrieking about "My dragons!"
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(Tywin may have wanted Jaime to stay close to King Robert for some reason, just intel at the very least).
You'd think he'd have wanted to free up his best bet at producing an heir, both by likelihood and actual preference (which is another reason I think Tywin knows that Cersei's children are her children with Jaime). Admittedly, you're likely right about the invaluable intelligence from serving on the Kingsguard. After all, if Jaime had been booted, Tywin would have had a hard time providing another "Take this meritorious Lannister instead!" if Jaime was kicked out for a spot of King Killing.
Okay, so Dany's never ending trek through the Slave Hotspots of the Desert isn't the most riveting story to me, so it finally just occurred to me: Wait, who nailed those poor slaves to the road posts, pointing the way? The city she's heading towards, right? Why in the name of old gods and the new, would they want to make sure a) that she arrives there b) she arrives there as pissed off as humanly possible?
It's just the entire "Wow, the street signs here are of the Grim variety" suggests they know all about her, which also suggests that they know she has gigantic a Unsullied Army. What the hell do they have that makes them treat that that nonchalantly?
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I think Jaime is just cynical as hell, more than anything. He joined the Kingsguard and apparently it wasn't in order to be close to Cersei, because he served Aerys. So that might have been a fit of "I will serve honorably and well in the thing I am best at...and where no one is likely to badger me to read constantly. Suck it, Pater!" but with honor playing a part in that decision. Or who knows, maybe he just want to stick it to his dad in the "won't ever have sons to pass your precious rock to and carry on your name" , but he served Aerys.
So that had to be like a heaping side dish of disillusionment. No matter what fine ideals a person might hold, you serve a raving madman and then find yourself faced with a situation where you think, "I have to break this sacred Oath, it's for the good of all!" and then everyone...everyone...reviles you for it. You're infamous not as the guy who delivered everyone from Ser Burns A Bunch McGee and ended a war in doing so, thereby saving countless innocents.
Then, oh joy, any remaining noble feelings about duty and honor would get ground to paste when your (wholly unnaturally) beloved sister is married off to the next King and he treats her like crap. She's heartbroken and disillusioned alongside of him. Apparently she even thought of Robert as the hero of the rebellion (that's what she told Ned). I mean, consider that one for a moment and the giant heart owie that would result for Jaime. Robert: The Hero of the Seven Kingdoms. Jaime: The Kingslayer, Oath Breaker. *
So by the time we meet Jaime, he's infamously without honor in a "damned if he did and damned if he didn't" scenario. People whisper about him wherever he goes and it doesn't matter that he's still the freaking best warrior, they still sneer.
I think Jaime really just got to the "Fuck it. What's the point of honor? It's all a lie anyway and there is no 'right' answer." Oh and on top of that, Brienne was hitting up to honor his word to a dead woman -- who he knows best from her "bash me in the face with a rock" moments -- right after his sister, the person who (as twisted as it is) is supposed to have been THE love of his strange, thwarted, judged life ...dumps him for the most ridiculous reasons imaginable.
Plus, what he said was telling, "I murdered people to get back here" (or something very like, I'm positive he used the word 'murdered') and the fact that Jaime made the distinction between people he'd killed in what might have been battle or justifiable grounds and that cousin who he choked to death with a chain for the sake of a expediency in yet another sacrifice of honor that apparently meant enough to him that he marked the difference. Cersei practically shrugged at that and if anyone knows Jaime well, it's got to be her. It bugged him enough to bring it up and she, the person he thinks of as his mate in life (*hurl*) just discounted that with a "So what?" shrug.
So timing wasn't Brienne's strong point in that moment when she appealed to "You gave your word" stuff, because I don't like Jaime, although he's been clopping along what passes for Redemption Highway for a season now, but she probably couldn't have picked a worse time to get all "Honor is at stake!" in terms of where Jaime's head would be.
*Geez, you'd think if anything would get you booted the hell out of the King's Guard, killing the King while still serving him would freaking do it.
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You're on deck to go first this time, MsTaken :-)
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Ser Jorah Mormont: Knight Of The Perpetual Friendzone
in The Unsullied Habitat
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Edited title only. Since it's in the Habitat, it being Completely Unspoiled is a given. :)
Let's see if this works. From the episode thread, where we were debating animal behavior and the basic qualities of being a Killjoy:
More to come after I figure out if I'm doing this right. Edit: Woo! Party in the 'hood! That appears to have worked. Where was I? Yeah, okay, Jorah "Loyalty is Everything to me, but I appear to contradict that a lot" Mormont.
I generally like Jorah, and I particularly liked him back in the day when he was guarding an unconscious Dany, when he thought she had lost absolutely everything and they were just going to be poor together with no power (Drogo was as good as dead, the Dothraki had bugged out, all hope appeared to be gone, just Jorah, a dead heir to the Horde and a vindictive witch)...and Dany woke up to see him with his sword across his knee, in armor that had some freaking blood on it.
Then I thought he was great and I felt for him. Unrequited love would really suck and I thought he understood, "Yeah, that's some seriously unrequited love there, Jorah." Then he seemed to have expectations that maybe there might be a way to more in the Season of Dany is Dull, Season two. She smacked him down, he watched her get the hots for Daario with dismay and now we have Disillusioned and heartbroken Jorah handing out "I'm ignorant of Pack Order behaviors and what's called 'food agression' in animals" advice to Dany, seemingly designed to ...what, bum her out?
Make her not have that much faith in Dragons? How is Jorah a Dragon expert when he didn't even believe in the damned things in the first season "I believe the evidence of my own eyes, Kahleesi." Well...behold, dude.
So his, "They will always be dragons, you will never tame them..." stuff was....seemingly designed to try and distance Dany from something he views as a reason to be jealous. I've like Jorah, but Dany looks ready to have a fling of epic, naked proportions with the new, improved for less smarm, Daario.
Jorah "Loyalty is everything to me" might actually think that is disloyal of Dany. Or it just might make him heartsick, but his weird comment about Dragons and being the voice of gloom about her connection to them made me sort of wonder if there's any possibility that Jorah might actually betray Dany at some point.
It was just that "Uh, why in the world are you trying to convince her that she's not as close to the dragons as she clearly is? ...Oh. Okay, you're kind of jealous and perpetually bummed that she has no boning interest in you, right?"