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8 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:
But all baggage aside, Sam was possessed by the literal devil, an archangel. Regular people with amnesia or memory issues can hate/be afraid of people they love more than life, but are triggered back to reality by a smell or a sound - so the army man triggering these memories in Sam didn't seem 'insulting' to Dean to me. Believe me, I get the issues of Jensen/Dean being screwed out of his story lines, but this? Seemed logical and interesting to me.
I've always felt the same way about that scene - which was the writer's intent, IMO. But I also was really pissed that the writers spent all of S4 setting Dean up as the Righteous Man - presumably to be the only one to save the world, but wait, it's Sam!! I also believe that Kripke's original intended ending was both the boys being possessed by their respective archangels, overcoming them with love for one another, and jumping into the cage to save the world and humankind. Considering how this series turned out, maybe that wouldn't be so bad. However, we would have missed fabulous scenes from Jensen - ten years of them! 🙁
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My, how our boy has changed. I attended the very first Salute to Supernatural Con in Chicago in November of 2007. The panels were separate - Jensen and Jared each had a 20 minute panel, and then combined for another 20 or 30 minutes. Jared was always rambunctious and outgoing, but Jensen was reserved and quiet for the most part, especially when he was on stage alone. No judgment here, just differing personalities. In subsequent years, Jensen started to become more comfortable, fooling around a bit, more at ease with the fans, but he still wouldn't sing even a few bars. So when I look at this vid above, watch some panels online and see Jensen enjoying it all so much, it makes me very happy to see how he's evolved. I believe these Cons have made it easier for him to interact with all the people that he has/will deal with in his career.
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On 6/19/2022 at 6:16 PM, Nick24 said:
But the critics seem to love him (bleh), so apparently he's doing well.
I simply don't understand this. He has zero talent IMO, and how can they love the man that sunk the unsinkable, longest running genre show in America? Makes me think twice about any so-called "critics". 👿
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We've known for a long time that Jensen has an aging portrait hidden in his attic! 😉
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3 hours ago, roamyn said:
For me it’s an issue of mobility. I would love to attend a Con.
But you’re right, they are pricey. Creation backed themselves in a corner putting so many eggs in the SPN basket.
I used to go to a star sky & Hutch convention called ‘Zebra 3’, ever other year. As the show and fans aged, they broadened the Con to include any shows with men & women in uniform or sci fi. That’s how they kept going for more than 20 years. They also only did one every other year.
I'm sorry to hear about a mobility issue that prevents you from doing something you'd enjoy. My daughters (one Dean girl; one Sam girl) and I attended their first convention in Chicago many, many years ago. My Dean girl daughter and I have attended at least six Chicago conventions since them including ones with photos. What stopped us going was the increasing obnoxious questions in the boys panel and the yelling out loud from the audience - which we thought was very rude. We were fortunate that we could afford the prices (and we just bought a ticket for Sunday, since we only live about 15 miles from the convention centers). But seeing him in person and standing next to Jensen for a photo was a wonderful experience.
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17 hours ago, roamyn said:
Good point. I do recall Tamoah mentioning that JP actually created the Gadreel character and he was imitating Jared's performance.
I still think that SL went on too long. It got frustrating & boring. Compare thst w/the MoC SL, which was 1-1/2 seasons, yet Jensen made it and Dean interesting in that you never knew which Dean was going to show up. Sometimes you could tell how deeply he was being affected, by Jensen's facial expressions or body movements.
Re: bolded. This is, IMO, something Jensen brought into the storyline all on his own. I feel very certain that there was nothing in any script that said: "Dean: feeling the effects of the MoC, lashes out..." Jared acts what's written on the page with little to no additions to fit Sam's character. One of the reasons that Dean Winchester is such an iconic character is precisely because Jensen knows the character and imbues the character with every emotion possible in context with the scene. By doing that, we get into Dean's head and heart - which I believe is the reason the character is so loved by so many.
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7 hours ago, Casseiopeia said:
Sounds like many of the main cast members of Stranger Things have cancelled their convention appearance as well.
Let's face it, Creation Ent. has priced itself out of most fans' pockets. Covid is still raging, albeit with fewer deaths, but still a threat to anyone with health issues. The main stars of a popular show have more to do than fly to conventions, take photos and otherwise possibly expose themselves to Covid. These two main factors will definitely limit the success of Creation going forward.
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4 hours ago, tennisgurl said:
Poor Ryan, I understand that Billy was pushing him away for what he thinks is his own good, but that was still a pretty brutal way to burn a bridge, especially with a kid who is very much lacking in trusted adults.
I think that Butcher made a big mistake with Ryan (under the influence of TempV). If Soldier Boy or a "secret weapon" fail to kill Homelander, I think Ryan is the only one who could kill a fully sociopath Homelander for the sake of the humans. With loving care such as he had with his mother, Ryan can keep his human side front and center, but Butcher put a larger dent in that with accusing Ryan of killing his mother. To me, it was obvious that Ryan really likes Butcher and maybe thinks of him as a father image, so Butcher should have found a gentle way to say he has to stay away from Ryan for his safety.
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@Casseiopeia, thanks so much for all your links to information about Jensen's projects and/or interviews. You are my go-to for these things! 👍
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5 minutes ago, Nick24 said:
But what happened to Carver? He was credited as an Executive Producer til the end of S11. Actually, he was credited as an EP even in S12-13, which was a surprise.
He went onto another show as showrunner and had to write/prepare it for the season. I think it was "Being Human"? But I'm not sure, it's just that he had to focus on that. TPTB must have approved it, knowing that he would be leaving regardless. I don't think they change the credits during a season or it could be that he could do that job, but not showrunner.
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There's a long, long list of problems because of Dabb, but to me, the worst was turning Chuck into God. And not only God, but one who was a puppet master and supposedly "wrote" every action, choice, thought, etc. that his "favorite characters" did. That to me is by far, why they never, never ever should have put that asshole in charge of anything. But since I simply ignore S12-15 as Chuck's wet dream, I can still enjoy watching the re-runs of the show and still thoroughly enjoy watching DeanfuckingWinchester.
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On 6/2/2022 at 9:35 AM, Lastcall said:
I believe it was always going to end with Chuck and Amara leaving the world. If it was the series finale it would probably have been more permanent, but Carver knew the show was still years from finishing. That's why season 11 was so schizophrenic. He had to pad out his story and set up things for the transition to Dabb. I think Dabb was firmly in control of the show by Red Meat. Carver got his ending but also had to alter it for the new regime.
Jensen mentioned in a con/interview that the last three episodes of S11 were a mess and didn't gel at all. He said that both he and Jared had to sit down with the writers and Dabb to make them cohesive. Dabb was definitely running the show at that time. And the fact that his stars had to do this, should have given TPTB a clue that maybe he wasn't the best choice for showrunner. What a bunch of dumb-asses.👿
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2 hours ago, Myrelle said:
I'd "like" the last three posts on this thread a million billion times if I could.
I'll just add that Jensen Ackles became my favorite actor of all time by working the kind of acting magic that I don't think anyone in the industry could ever have matched through his performance of Dean on this show, and especially given what he had to put up with from the writers and showrunners attached to it since S5.
I don't think I've ever held as much respect for any actor's talent as I have for his.
He's made me believe that he can do/handle anything that any writer could ever throw at him, acting-wise.
The Man has such mad skills.
This X1000. Jensen is a fantastic actor - I believe the best of his generation. He deserved so, so much more from TPTB throughout the series. They should have been thrilled to death that he could build his character into one for the ages. Instead, it seemed like they resented him for that very thing. His facial expressions alone are legendary. Did you ever mute the sound and just watch him? I have, and it's something to behold. (of course I know what's going on because I've seen the episodes so many times) It is my opinion that without Jensen Ackles playing the character of Dean, this show would have lasted only a couple/few seasons. For all TPTB touting that Sam was the star of the show, it was Dean who carried it on his broad shoulders, who made people want to come back and see more.
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4 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:
And if we are going with original scripts was killing people. To which Dean turned a blind eye.
I'm assuming that you factually know this, and not Twitter nonsense. Probably the reason it never made it to the screen is that someone (probably Jensen) told the writer that Dean would never turn a blind eye to someone - anyone - killing humans.
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MAK said: But I don't think Kripke respected Dean enough to do that. It seemed that he still considered Sam "the hero," even though he knew how much more depth Dean's character had.
If memory serves, Kripke considered Dean to be a sidekick/comedy relief type of character. If you watch the first few episodes, that is Dean's main purpose. However, he and IMO, Kim Manners, realized the potential that the character had with Jensen putting so many nuances into Dean. So slowly, Jensen got more interesting scenes to play to bring Dean's character into the wonderful one we watched for so many seasons. But no, Kripke didn't originally know how much more depth Dean's character had. Even so, Kripke looked at Sam as the hero of the story as did the storylines throughout the series. Also, as others mentioned, Kripke's original ending was both of the brothers hosting the respective archangels, and jumping into the cage and saving the world from everything I've ever heard.
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1 hour ago, gonzosgirrl said:
Somebody remind me: was it ever established in canon when John and Bobby met? Or, if they met after Mary's death, did he know any of the Campbell's prior to that? Seems if they were a 'famous' hunting family, he would have at least heard of them.
We were never shown/told that John knew about the Campbells. Sam found out that most/all of Mary's family died in early S3 from Ruby, so they may have been long gone. As far as Bobby was concerned we saw his memories of Dean - maybe about 10-12 - playing catch instead of doing target practice. So that would say John knew Bobby about six years or so after he started hunting.
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20 minutes ago, Lastcall said:
He's also said the only reason he was hunting was because of Dean (which is proven in the finale). But what Sam wanted doesn't matter, it's what Jared wanted in the finale and I think he liked the symmetry. In the end Sam got to live a normal life and raise a super son that was probably the best of Sam and Dean.
I could be wrong about Jared wanting to continue the show. Dabb was desperate for a spin off and when Jared learned about the ending it was when he was planning on retiring for acting. I could see him thinking about producing a Sam's Dean show with Dabb and maybe they were keeping that in their back pocket. He just never figured Jensen would do a show and beat him to the punch that quick. It could add to the fear that ruining the finale would ruin the son show somehow.
I know you're talking about Jared here, but I can't imagine why ANYONE would want to work on a show with Dabb who has no business being the producer/showrunner of anything. Anyone who treats a lead actor the way he treated Jensen should be drummed out of the business. Period!!!!! And if Jared did want what you mentioned, IMO, he's no friend to Jensen at all.
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2 minutes ago, Nick24 said:
Apparently Jensen had a lot of patience and was very loyal to the show, that he could tolerate such disrespect for himself and his character
He was, almost to a fault. Jensen often referred to the crew as family and (I believe) accepted a lot in order to keep the show going and people working. I think the final straw was the way they treated the Michael storyline after touting it being a big deal in S14. IMO, where Jensen made his mistake was giving Badd another season to assassinate Dean's character and the show in general. I think he and Jared should have told them to re-write the S14 finale and make it a series finale.
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5 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:
This right here? Is a prime example of the disrespect shown Jensen by Jared stans. Reducing him to 'cosplay' of a character he embodied for 15 years of his life, who he's shown nothing but respect for? Is just plain nasty. And Jensen has been nothing but supportive of the show, its legacy, and of Jared and Sam and the brothers. Always. If Jared was any kind of decent friend, he would call off his hordes in no uncertain terms and let these people (99.9% of whom AREN'T JENSEN) make their show and earn a living. But that would require giving up the victimhood his fandom revels in.
This times 1000!!! If I were Jensen after that public fiasco of a post from Jared, I would have nothing to do with him in the future. Even if Jared had a few words of "we're okay" days later, the harm would be done. And apparently, reading these posts today, the harm is still raging. So much for "brothers".
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7 hours ago, Nick24 said:
S1-11: psychic stuff, demon blood, true vessel of Lucifer, soulless Sam, Hallucifer!Sam, the trials, Gadreel!Sam, BotD, another round of Lucifer/Cage stuff in s11.
You forgot "Chief Sam" who was the leader of all the refugees from another world. And I especially loved Badd's depiction of Sam's specialness in his bearded misery. Let's not forget that Dean was mostly out of the picture (and definitely out of the bunker in the premier because Dean's presence "soaks up all the oxygen in the room and this way the other characters (Sam) can breathe freely." No kidding, he actually said that about his co-lead.
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On 5/21/2022 at 5:20 PM, Nick24 said:
I also want to point out, that Ben Edlund did a great job in 6.20 The Man Who Would Be Kind with explaining why Castiel was doing all of it. And imo that was a great setup for Cas' redemption too. But then Gamble and Kripke blew everything up with 6.21 and 6.22. I guess it was kinda joke to blow up all of Ben Edlund's setups.
That's so sad as well. Some of his earliest "humor'' was not my cup of tea, but he really became (in my eyes) one of the best writers in the room. If you didn't know, it was his idea to create the bunker as a home base for the boys (vs.all the motel rooms) and showcased it his episode "Everyone Hates Hitler" in S8. I personally, have loved having the bunker in the story. But I did miss the crazy motifs of the various motels too.
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On 5/22/2022 at 2:38 PM, Nick24 said:
OMG! I didn't know that! Really impressive. Now I have to rewatch First Born keeping that revelation in mind.
That quote is referring to Dean (Jensen) doing his own fighting in "First Born". The "demon" that he was fighting until the end and killed on the table was Jensen's stunt double. Or as DeeDee said while I was typing! :)
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3 hours ago, Nick24 said:
Hello, everyone. I am new here. I was binge-watching SPN for the 1st time after the series ended, so I never had a chance to participate in discussions about SPN.
Welcome! You might enjoy going through each episode (in the better years) and seeing what others think and had to say.
Re: Dabb and Berens: there are a great deal of us who share your opinions on those two twits. And Singer as well, but he isn't a writer, so a little less involved in the trash. Some, myself included, call Dabb "Badd" which we feel is more apt.
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@Nick24, I loved most of your selections in each category! Re: Dabb and Berens, I believe they decided to salt and burn the show because their attempts at spin-offs didn't get picked up. I also don't understand the apparent dislike (hatred?) of Dean/Jensen, but it seems to me they really had a grudge. Why TPTB ever put Dabb in charge is beyond my imagination.
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“Bitch” Vs. “Jerk”: Where We Discuss Who The Writers Screwed This Week/Season/Ever
in Supernatural
Apparently with the writers and showrunner we had at the time, it was! Sera was obsessed with Sam (Jared?) and wanted everything to revolve around him. The soulless storyline was supposed to last the entire season, but maybe someone (Kripke?) shortened it to a half-season. Then in S7, her intent was to kill off Cas for good - no resurrection. That way, Sam could be even more of the focus. I don't think she disliked Dean/Jensen, she just didn't care about him or his story. That's pretty sad for a showrunner, but as we know it can get a helluva lot worse!!!