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Wow! Nice theories. I, too, believe J should have been revealed as the shooter, seems like he's out for revenge and baz did treat him like shit. Watching the episode again, Shawn Hatosy is amazing! Just his stares alone is emmy worthy. Yup. J is looking for revenge on Smurf but there should have been a better built up this season, and Pope most likely will fall back in smurfs arms since she takes care of him. Honestly thought he (J)was going to pin Morgan's murder on Smurf. And why aren't the cops putting this family under surveillance? So dumb.

Smurf hooked Pope up with an escort, how low! I was really shocked how fast this episode went, mia definitely is a pawn, and she's in trouble with her newboy toy. J, man this kid has giant balls, like Baz, probably gets it from his father but he needs a lot of ammo to bring her down -- she's in control now. That ending means what? Is Pope still with Smurf? The guy needs rehab, he's really off the deep end. And finally: GO JOSHUA!!!! Yes J needs help to defeat Smurf BC Baz wasn't successful. Well almost.

So Octavia lives on... I thought for sure we'd get a big death. Not liking the direction, seems repetitive. Any predictions next season?

And J acting all tough to save Smurf... I'd just throw her to the wolves.

Wow! Color me shocked, Smurf killed Baz. The writers made a big mistake revealing Mia as the shooter, too obvious the connection. Anyone notice J is about to blow up?! Haha. All the brothers look disheveled and ready to walk away. I'd walk away. And lucy... Why didnt they focus on her this season instead of Nikki?! Shawn, you did a good job capturing the emotion of a family in disarray. This family is nuts! J better put a ring on Mia, or he's next. Every time I watch her she looks stone cold. I'm disappointed there wasn't a twist., the brothers will band together to get rid of Smurf. She is ruthless!

Yup. I binged this season... Missed the last 6 episodes and watched it all the other DAY, way better. Also: Madi is the MVP this season for me, Clarke, has and always, will be a terrible leader. Someone mentioned Octavia as a poor leader; too vengeful but way more ruthless. I'm still confused if there was any direction to this season... Was it about territory? I dunno.

Solid episode, hopefully it continues. You could tell Pope was boiling over this season, (losing baz/lena)and I enjoyed him beating the shit outta Billy. What a terrible guy! I have a feeling pope will turn on Smurf, she needs to be humbled. Too ruthless and crazy! And, yeah, deran is an idiot. Billy is an addict who is desperate for cash, he should have known better. Yup. Smurf will last but I hope she gets punished. J is up to something and I think s4 will be the last season. So j takes his revenge in a slow burn kinda way. Smurf doesn't know he's angry inside; he'll be vengeful!

Imo, i dont think Smurf/Lucy KILLED Baz. I'm betting there is some kinda twist... This season needs one. And we know MIA is the shooter.. So what connection does she have with Lucy? Its like they really have to explain both sides. Smurf being in jail and too much focus on Mia/Nikki killed the first half, now it'll get better when Smurf goes all out on Lucy/Marco... Still not buying Smurf killed Baz (too obvious) and you're right, the story has always been about the Cody's. I love their interactions.

Yup. The only plausible outcome is if mia is somehow connected with Javier, his enforcer ( the guy that smurf paid to kill him) told his cartel Baz had killed Javy so Smurf would not take the heat from the cartel. I dunno! Where is that guy any way? Is he dead? Do not underestimate Janine! Remember she killed before and went after Craig's father, she is tough, no doubt! I'm scared for J BC I don't think he can bring her down.... Nobody can!

Best episode of the season, by far! I've been critical but they've cleaned up a bit... Nikki is gone! (Whooo), J finally is thinking straight about Smurf, only problem -- she's out! Good luck! Billy is using Craig, that was a set up, notice how he's telling Deran in planting seeds about J, at least Pope sees Right thru him., he's a con man. Mia, oh boy! I think Baz did something dirty... We are lead to believe its smurf but I'm not so sure. They had nothing on her.. Why go to court when they cant provide the evidence?! And Smurf would NEVER rat on her boys, Billy is screwed BC mama bear is lethal.

Lucy/Marco finally make an appearance in the 7th episode... Remember when everyone thought Marco was the shooter?! Saw some theories but I hope is linked with Javier somehow, maybe revenge on Smurf BC there is still no direct explaination of connection. J will be the last man standing. Pretty predictable season considering the potential arcs that the writers wasted, all to jam Nikki's storyline down our throats. Pope is the reason I watch... Brothers in arm, right? instead seems like they're making dumb decision after another. Add billy who is nothing but a drug addict, Deran should just let him get into trouble and leave him in jail.

Yeah, why did she shoot BAZ? Maybe the twist is she's a relative of Cath, but seeing as they want us to believe smurf put a hit out out on her son...its too predictable? Rewatching the hosptal scene, J is a loose cannon, he looks really stressed.

The direction this season is bad, I find myself not caring. Baz's death meant nothing? And Smurf is in trouble. I thought it'd be WAR this season but their inflicting their own dumb problems thanks to Craig and that idiot billy.

Yup. They jumped the shark... too many glaring holes and they haven't learned their lessons. Those Brazilian surfers will wreck them. Stop focusing on nikki/mia, ruining the show. I starting to feel sorry for J, kid needs to check himself, and Nikki is an idiot. Oh boy! Also I noticed Lisco/wells aren't involved this season... what happened? The writing is really bad.

^^Nikki is desperate, poor girl. She can't get out of this mess. Another subpar episode, but at least we know what billy wants -- Smurfs empire. He's smarter than he looks. Mia, wow! Pope's face when she came back to the house; the girl wasn't intimidated. She's annoying. I think this episode was about Pope losing control... over Lena, J, Mia and the family. I like Pope. Yup. That's exactly what he wants, he's here to take over and sees an opening seeing as they're all in fragile state. He worked Deran but he can't work J/Pope.

Yeah, I'd like to know too. Baz's father was an asshole, prob left town.And what about Vinny... Is he dead?! This show is terrible tying loose ends.

Indeed. Big targets and chaos will ensue... I just hope Pope gets out alive and takes Lena with him.

And on Netflix. S2 after eppy 4 has been consistently good, prob the best season. I dunno but this season is awfully bad in direction and pace. Baz being dead should have lit a fire under their asses but they're being sloppy and the cops will eventually go hard on them.

Go Pope! Pope is the only smart one in the family, Smurf thinks she's in control but she isn't.

Agreed, there will be blowback even though that heist pull was riduclously bad. I cringed. Tailing the Cody's... How hard can that be?! Haha. Nikki tailing Miss, just dumb. I'm confident she will get hurt. Personally Leary's introduction was disappointing, deran will benefit from him tho, and pope ain't happy BC he's got two people to watch over (Mia&Billy). Also, mia is setting up shop too easy... Just too easy. She's in control, for now.

Rewatched s2 finale, they definitely did re-shoots, angle and person. I'm quite pissed they revealed the shooter early, better to create suspense. IMO, rather be one of the Cody's or Vinny (he had every reason to kill Baz). Also: last season was slow till the church heist, perhaps Leary coming on next week will inject some riveting arcs. And I agree, sloppy, sloppy dialogue. I really think Mia infiltrating is too easy... Pope will sniff her oiut. Book it! Pretty sure Craig (writers should have kept him in Mexico) and Nikki will either be harmed or die. They introduced a new gang affiliation for a reason, and Craig's path to destruction is inevitable. I dislike Craig the most. BTW, where's Marco? You think he snitches on Lucy?

Disappointed with the writing this season, slowbutn but I find Pope's arc the best, seems like they really are waiting for Leary to shake things up. Yup, I think so, Lucy must be doing shady stuff. Or Smurf setting up the kill, which is predictable. Writers dropped the ball tbh. BTW, worst episode of the series. Mia as the shooter, really? They did reshoots BC the finale it looked like a stockier guy. But I guess it serves a storyline but you damn well know Pope will be suspicious about this girl. And why invite this girl into your circle? J is an idiot, and kinda weak. Lazy writing, I agree. Last episode was stupidity at best, now Mia will probably get her way since she's got into their circle.

The theme: stupidity has no boundaries. * Craig, man you're a dumbo. Good luck! * Lmao! J is effed. A boatload of work.. And he gets shitted on by the family. Is it worth saving this FAM? * Deran is an idiot, Pope is right... "TRUST" is huge when pulling heists and he has dimwits for partners. * Mia definitely is playing J. I can tell or maybe she's using him for bigger bait. Either way, shes an upgrade to nikki. Haha! All in all, it was okay. They really don't need Leary, a ton of possible plots that might screw over the Cody's. Yup. J could just walk away and turn on the Cody's, blood free. He has all the evidence and can play victim. Smurf treats him like crap BC she's desperate and you just know J wants out.

The problem was Speedman as a villain, didn't sell it for me. S1 he was the father figure than went full manipulation, but I understand why he went nuts against Smurf in s2. She knew he was a thorn on her side and karma eventually bit him in butt. I knew the endgame was him being shot in a car but what interests me is who shot him? Writers could potentially shock us, and they probably will. Hahahaha! I agree, he really has a good poker face but pope ain't dealing with his shit. I expect these two to clash this season just like in the movie and we all know who wins!

Agree on Ben, worst actor on the show. Honestly brings nothing to the table. Even Lena is a better character.