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1 hour ago, film noire said:
I think what Jules did was odd -- and sad and very much related to her ED (and to Carole badgering her) -- but I don't agree that what she did was somehow harmful to anyone else at the table. She put visible cutlery in the calzone (not razors or meds) and the women were not left without food. It's not like Jules screwed the last pizza in the wilds of the Sierra Nevada and they were driven to feed on each other like the Donner party (although it's true, The Emotional Cannibal aka Bethenny was there :) If anyone was having fun at another's expense,imo, it wasn't Jules.
But Jules called her daughter a 'butthole' (no, it was 'abajo,' Jules' attempt to speak a little Spanish even though she's a monster because she's not Google translating everything into Spanish and putting it on speaker, I guess) and got her to show her 'plump belly' in some kind of preemptive custodial strike against Michael (as opposed to Rio behaving like every toddler I've ever met, including my own, who goes through a 'tummy! Here's my tummy!' phase - and where Rio had grinned at Dorinda and pulled up her shirt to do so, and Jules and Dorinda asked her where her tummy was.) Jules is nothing but harmful, she's ruining Michael's life by being there and permitting the engagement and employment of a nanny and housekeeper while Michael does everything, including allegedly banging her friend!
So Jules should be side-eyed because of all of that and because fork not funny and because though she's admitted an eating disorder and has explicitly said it's something managed not cured, she's being odd and sad around food. Personally, I've got my fingies crossed that Bethenny and Michael get to share joint custody of the little Wainsteins! Who's with me?
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15 hours ago, film noire said:
She could quit the show and then we'd all win.
I am on bended knee. Ha, and mwah!
2 hours ago, pbutler111 said:Sure. The ratings would tank again and the show would be canceled, leaving a lot of people here with hours of time on their hands they would have otherwise spent trashing a woman they've seen on TV but don't actually know much about. Winning!
Don't forget about the time-savings involved in not having to tell people how wrong they are for interpreting a public figures actions in their own ways!
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2 hours ago, Major Bigtime said:
Yes, but which is worse? Guys admitting to having sex with Kathryn, or her using drugs while she's pregnant and in the prescence of her children? Kathryn and her drug dealer talking about hooking up so she can pay him by spreading her legs for the drugs she needs? She hooked up with guys for either money or drugs. Period.
Kind of unfortunate that women generally have to 'spread their legs' to have sex. That obviously becomes both the phrase that pays and a way to get one's Bethenny Frankel on and shriek 'whore!' while trying to stake out some plausible deniability for having done so. If only we could all get ours by crating some kind of erogenous zone with our left elbow and right heel!
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On 7/1/2016 at 0:53 PM, Silo said:
Slow your roll. I didn't say EVERYONE in the South is a Redneck. I just said Kathyrn is. And she is.
I wonder if she had been able to maintain some level of decorum, do you all think Thomas wouldn't have stepped out? Or do you all think she could have been perfect and he would have stepped out anyway?
Thomas was coked-up, red-faced drunk slurring at undergrads in the first episode. He was on the outs with a very pregnant Kathryn, but he's never faced consequences ever for his actions. He lost 1 election and spent a small fraction of time in the least harsh form of incarceration in this country. He's a spoiled sack of shit who will be humiliating himself in front of Lilly Pulitzer obsessed 20 year olds until a heart attack takes him out.
Landon is a reprehensible person, I have no doubt she slept with Thomas, and I can't even begin to understand how she's 'better' than Kathryn. Kathryn is significantly younger, may have an active mental illness, and has been dead-fucking-on about Landon from jump. Landon's only job has been the one she was fired from in getting divorced. Her life plan involves snagging a rich dick, no more, no less. Squinty dolphin 'artiste' needs to shaddup and siddown forever, particularly because she's an envious shit-brained misogynist. UGH.
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Jules IS Bernadette! Must be hard for B. Part 2 to witness such a terrible worthless mother. Maybe B. could up her own Adderall use (off-label, on-label...who can speculate? I know she knows about rails, but I'm sure she's only whittled a chair rail, sniff sniff sniff) and continues the helpful '115 ounces' talking-headery. I would flove to claim a form of PTSD so that all my faults could be ascribed to stuff attributable to others while the soundtrack of 'Platoon' played in my head.
I like that Dorinda is actually worried like a warm-blooded mammal about Jules in this crowd.
MCM, I think Jules is probably in trouble right now, too. It makes me sad for her. A contentious divorce, this show, a business of some sort, a history where she admitted in-patient hospitalization. It's a bad bunch of stuff at once and I hope she'll be okay. I couldn't take Kim R.'s cracked-out meanness because she was just so effing mean. Always had the hurtiest hurt to dole out. Jules I don't perceive in the same way, but I do feel that worry that she is not okay.
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6 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:
Sorry, couldn't find the original post to credit the poster. But this post was responded to with:
Honestly, I didn't think that top quote was the least brutal. Maybe brutally honest. One of the not so secret secrets in EDs is how sufferers share strategies in losing weight, hiding their illness, and fooling family and healthcare professionals into thinking they're in recovery. There are pro-ana sites like Thinspo and Thinspiration whose entire goal is to praise the skeletal frames of anorexics, and support each other in maintaining the sickness. Just google it. Even just google it under images. There's all sorts of pics of extremely emaciated females. They proudly post their images proclaiming they will not eat, and you cannot make them. You will often find pictures of Angelina Jolie and her tattoo (often interpreted to be pro-ana) which translates to - what nourishes me also destroys me.
So I have no problem believing women with EDs may be interested in Jules's cleanse. Especially if they hear her brag about maintaining her fertility.
I know that 'thinspo' is a hashtag and that a lot of people have EDs, in terms of numbers if not percentage-wise, I'm spitballing here. I also know that this has not been covered really on the show, but the drink is the brainchild of Jules and another woman with Asian heritage who works as a classical musician, and their corp partner is apparently Praeger, and that company has an actual decent rep and history in terms of frozen foods with a health twist). I don't think most people are going to make a strong association between Jules's anorexia, even if she's in a period of relapse, with the product, and I thought the comment was absurdly snide.
I get some of the comparisons to Kim Richards but honestly, Kim fought with everyone and was a vicious little weasel, seeking to hurt people where they live. People can think what they like but if we all got transcripts of RHOBH and RHONY and an underemployed robot looked for instances of similar outbursts, the parallel would IMO be with Bethenny, not Jules. I get MMV.
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1 hour ago, innocuouspuff said:
To clarify one thing, when I say the ED is Jules' own business, I don't mean she shouldn't expect to talk about it on the show. Talking more about the idea that Carole and Bethenny have a duty to be rude to her about it and are somehow rescuing her by doing so.
This. Can we be straight and say they're not trying to help her? Carole has been nasty-faced since frame 1, scene 1 in every single interaction with Jules. Stank-faced, almost recoiling. She radiates bitch specifically around Jules.
I'm also stepping into it but hell's bells. This was shown as part of the 'previouslies.' and bothered me greatly last ep. Jules is complaining about Michael not helping with the kids and Carole says, totally cool-voiced and faced, 'yeah, that's a bad dynamic you've gotten yourself into." Shut up, you fucking jerkface. She has no personal idea at all of their dynamic, or how many SAHM's find themselves tussling with their spouses about this kind of thing. And she was not sympathetic in tone or bearing, it came across as incredibly judgmental. Watch it, and tell me her whole posture, expression and tone wasn't, 'Jules, you screwed up.' Now, I'm not no-child shaming, but Carole takes shit too far. THing last season, most of the women 'only had 1 child more' than Carole was quite telling. No one is a better human because she's a mother. But that statement was IMO Carole's way of saying, whatever!, in that faux-Valley Girl stupid cadence. Yes she was countering LuAnn's 'what of the CHILDREN!" perspective, but her argument was literally that...well, having 1 or 2, presumably kids, was no BFD. Fuck her very much for that. It's facially offensive and ignorant, and perhaps more crucially, it's not necessary. For all the Cool Carole stuff, she treads into muck a lot when she feels even slightly superior. Not a good look.
Last: IMO no one here posting gets to claim greater objectivity than anyone else. Gimme a break. It's the 2016 P.TV version of TWoP's verboten "I don't get the hate." It's not a Pynchon novel, ain't much to get, and it's not a proof, ain't much that's objective if we're all opining about who is and isn't currently the meanest of them all.
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I'm sure the eating disorder crowd will flock to her cleanse though, as well as normal people who want to lose a few pounds, because who has better concoctions to make you thin than an anorexic/bulimic?
This seems brutal...
...unless it's applied to Bethenny, in which case I tire my wrists by high-fiving a bunch of baby angels!
Using connections at the actually respected, actual producer of healthy fast foods, Praeger Co. (partner in Jules' drink) and getting coveted shelf space in Whole Foods seems like what someone who is right on trend with a 'functional' nutrition-based drink would want. Jules also said, explicitly, that she regarded moving forward with this was a way to try and strengthen her recovery - I don't know what else she can say. She's apparently struggling. I got no hate for someone who seems to be trying, and who seems to have hit on an idea with good possibilities...
...whereas I think you could look at someone who plasters Skinny all over her stuff (...destined for Marshalls/no hate since that's where I get my drawers) including even her shitty patronizing chick-lit, in a rather different light.
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Upthread someone posted in the middle of other Jules criticisms that she called her daughter 'butthole.' Nope. Jules said, 'abajo!' as Rio was holding her stuffed animal and walking downstairs, holding the nanny's hand. She's trying to speak a little Spanish, which is something she and Michael seem to value.
That little girl is the cuteness to me.
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1 hour ago, AnitaKnight said:Carole said she never judges?! What BS! Roll the tape Andy...the part where Carole's asking Jules how much she weighs and then cut to Carole discussing with Bethenny how she couldn't possibly weigh that much. That's not judgemental? The way she stared at Jules watching her every move in wide-eyed wonder, and then running it all by
the eating disorder expertBethenny? ok. whatevs.What despicable women.
There's a way to signal you know what's going on, and you're there for someone struggling with a disease. Bethenny and Carole didn't do that at all, and Carole always has the word-I'm-not-allowed-to-type-iest face on when she looks at Jules. Carole is a sick, sick person in her own way, and very cruel. And a liar. And she's realllll fucking old to be acting that way.
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27 minutes ago, Jextella said:
Being a bitch and being a bully - particularly to an 8 year old child - are two different things. There's no excuse or justification for either but the latter is particularly horrendous. Also tacking on the fact that while two kids were involved, she held her own child's needs above the other's. Nap vs. play. Neither is life threatening and she coulda let it go.
One more reason not to like Bethenny.
Bethenny's really fucked up. Come on, everyone. Not a parent alive is unaware of the fact that in such a case, you find and then talk to the adult. It's hella irrational to expect a kid in single-digit ages to even comprehend of that kind of thing when they are in a play-appropriate area - and I have daily confabs with my dog to try to get him to STFU while my kid naps. Bethenny is a fucked-up fucking bully. How telling that Jason was apologetic after Bethenny Bethenny-d all over the place. Mortifying.
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On 6/25/2016 at 0:10 PM, Petunia13 said:
I mean the ways she says it it's like they are subhuman and the most vile creatures.
Not many are in that life because of malice but desperation and survival. Many there from coercion and/or are survivors of abuse and sexual assault. She's in her forties pissing and moaning about being raised by wolves and mean people. Your dad and mom were neglectful Beth? Try going through that but also being raped or molested or put into human trafficking.
I am so beyond sick of her playing the victim. 99% of the people I know have endured way more adversity than she has and it hasn't turned them into assholes.
This why bad things happen to her and will continue to. She doesn't evolve or learn. They don't become growing experiences, but excuses for her entitlement.
I love your post. I'm sick to death of the tee-heeing, BFD!-ing about the deeply cruel and sexist language Bethenny used to demean LuAnn, like it's just par for the course and Bethenny's gotten the same treatment. That's just a lie. She was enraged and somewhere between screaming and shrieking, with her neck tendons strained, during that conversation in the Berkshires. Bethenny has never been treated like that since returning, and I don't think Jill or Kelly were anywhere near as abusive as Bethenny has been.
The monetary success has coarsened her character. She doesn't like LuAnn. Not a big deal! But trying to destroy her while being definitionally hypocritical in having a sexual and romantic relationship with a married man - which folks call 'cheating' and 'affair' - is so unfair. She's a goalpost mover, a liar, and too used to getting her ass kissed besides the literal smooches of Ramona.
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Yes, MCM. Heather is pretty subtle - she'll (eventually, unfortunately) film with her but I know she will never forgive her, ever and that makes sense to me. Shannon also has no reason to forgive Vicki when Vicki sicced her sister-in-law equivalent on her, on camera. I think Heather and Shannon will be on RHOOC as long as it is on, as they are the only well-off women on the franchised and are now into the fame and WWHL appearances and radio show-type runoff. I don't think the show needs Vicki and she is so low-rent. I thrill to the knowledge showed in multiple posts in this thread that her wealth is largely illusory and that she CAN'T move to a chic Laguna Beach waterfront smaller place because she can't get rid of her home. She is a fraud, is cancer-scamming NOW, and is beneath contempt.
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May not be everyone's cup of tea, but the opening sketch to Amy Schumer's recent ep titled "Psychopath Test" episode describes Vicki and Tamra.
Ahem:
You are perfect, no matter what you do.
You are perfect, no matter how you act.
Where are my glamorous girls at? You better accept the fact: you're beautiful.
Be brave, don't let them steal your glow.
When you're throwing empty bottles out the car window.
Trim your nails on the bus or spit on a break dancer.
Make a Kickstarter page to fund your fake cancer.
You are so beautiful!
You are gorgeous, no matter what you do.
You are perfect, no matter how you act.
Where are my glamorous girls at? You better accept the fact: you're beautiful.
(break: Jemaine from "Flight of the Conchords" - "Keep your head held high and your empathy non-existent! You do you, girl, and if you want, I'mma do you too!")
Go ahead, claim a miscarriage when no pregnancy occurred.
Or do Karaoke rap so you can scream the N-word.
Follow your heart, yeah and swing for the fences
Fellate your friend's husband the only consequence is:
You are so beautiful!
You are gorgeous, no matter what you do.
You are perfect, no matter how you act.
Where are my glamorous girls at? You better accept the fact: you're beautiful.
It's so hot to feel good when you're in your own skin
Like when you're lying to a doctor to score Ritalin
You are wonderful when you're doing life your way
And rubbing off to photos of Guantanamo Bay
Whether you're stiffing a waitress, cyber-bullying gays,
Peeing in your boss's coffee, touching a black chick's braids
Returning a puppy to the pet store just because you can
Or catfishing your autistic neighbor with a pic of Spider-Man
Just be strong, cause haters gonna hate
So falsely accuse a college lacrosse team of rape
Go ahead, girl, you a hero
Selfie sticks bitch, take pics at Ground Zero!
You a perfect ten (between nine and eleven: never forget!)
You are beautiful!
You are gorgeous, no matter what you do.
You are perfect, no matter how you act.
Where are my glamorous girls at? You better accept the fact: you're beautiful.
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6 hours ago, WireWrap said:
I think she is counting on it. She has started a "new charity", https://realskepticsoftv.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/cancers-poor-taste/ and, IMO, she is doing it to get more insurance customers $$$$$$$. Gross, she is just GROSS!
Oh...wow. I read the entire linked article. Everyone: PLEASE read WireWrap's link! She is cancer scamming again. VICKI IS CANCER SCAMMING. AGAIN! She is trying to attract and siphon insurance customers to buy critical care policies on a 'charity' that sells fug Livestrong-type rubber bracelets and hopes in total futility to 'kill all cancer' when she clearly does not understand how cancers operate and proliferate in the body. Holy hell! She is scamming. Again!
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17 minutes ago, LadyHam said:
See, I just don't understand how someone can think OJ was guilty, but think the justice system worked in this case. I'm not jumping on you. I've heard it a lot where people have said that they feel deep down in their bones that OJ was guilty, but the state just didn't prove it.
How? Do people feel the glove or other evidence was planted? Do people feel the evidence was so contaminated it was unreliable?
Even if the glove was planted at Rockingham by Fuhrman (which I don't believe for a second) it still would have come from the Bundy crime scene. It still had OJ's, Nicole's and Ron's blood on it. Plus, the gloves were a very rare glove, and only about 200 pair were sold. There was a receipt that shows Nicole bought those gloves for OJ. There were numerous pictures of OJ wearing those gloves. OJ could not produce the gloves. He said they were given away. I say they were in the custody of the LAPD because they were part of a murder investigation.
Do people feel OJ's blood was planted at Rockingham because Vannatter brought OJ's vial of blood over there to give directly to the criminologist? Vanatter brought the blood over there in a sealed envelope and handed it off to Fung (the lead criminologist) within 3 minutes of his arrival. The envelope was ever opened. All the evidence (including the blood evidence) was already collected by the time Vannatter arrived there with the vial of blood. If Vannatter had wanted to plant any blood in this case, wouldn't it have made more sense for him to plant it at Bundy, where the murders had occurred?
Do people feel the evidence was collected in such a way that all of it should have just been disregarded and deemed utterly useless? As much as Barry Scheck attacked the collection techniques and spouted off left and right about how contaminated everything was, he is now basically making his living off of how reliable DNA is and how it's virtually impossible to contaminate it.
Even if you disregard the evidence that people thought was planted (the glove, the blood drops at Rockingham, the socks in OJ's bedroom, the blood on the back gate at Bundy), that still leaves the blood drops at Bundy that were left next to the bloody Bruno Magli shoe prints and the fact that the limo driver saw OJ walk up the driveway (or at least a six foot tall, 200 pound African American man) and into his home at around 11 pm the night of the murders. That right there would have been more than enough to convict him. Defedants have been convicted of just one drop of their blood at the crime scene.
OJ's blood at Bundy and the limo driver's testimony are the 2 pieces of evidence that the defense team did not dispute. They never even tried. Does the defense want people to believe that since Mark Fuhrman said some terrible things on tape to a screen writer, that People should now believe that the lab personnel running the tests on all the evidence collected in this murder are now willing to falsify their lab results so they cannot be a part of his vast conspiracy to frame OJ?
The defense team did what all defense teams do . You poke at the evidence and create holes in it. If the defense created enough reasonable doubt in OJ's case to acquit him, then every single conviction that used the same collection techniques should have been thrown out. Every conviction that had Fuhrman or Vannatter on it should have been thrown out. The very first thing Johnnie Cochran should have done immediately after OJ's acquittal was go file a civil lawsuit on his behalf suing the LAPD for violating his civil rights. Johnnie Cochrsn was one of the best, most successful civil rights attorneys of his time. He made his living off of suing the LAPD for civil rights violations. Why did he drop the ball and not pursue anything in this case? He sure put enough pressure on the jury to do the right thing, but then he drops the ball and does pursue a civil suit for the great " legal injustice" done to OJ. Let's face it, he didn't do anything because he knew the defense team got lucky by bamboozling the jury with their smoke and mirrors and underhanded tactics. I will never, ever agree with this verdict.
This is an impressive summary. And the quote from Toobin's book, upthread (the lack of notes taken by jurors on the people's graphic re undisputed evidence), the 'deliberations,' all of it - honestly impossible for me to conclude anything other than the tenor in the jury room indicated to the two jurors initially voting guilty that there was no point in trying.
Nicole Brown's family may have liked OJ's money too much. I guess that 'background' and the amusing sotto voce references to Fred Goldman's wife having once been married to a notorious Chicago scumbag meant all that commingled blood, the lack of alibi, OJ's proven ownership of rare gloves with all that blood and of rare shoes leaving prints in all that blood, all of it falls in the face of the slaughtered victim's parent's background and makes it somewhat understandable for OJ to slaughter her and a friend. I think background means I'm supposed to put friend in quotes because Nicole was sleeping with every man in L.A. besides O.J. Simpson. And background also means that Nicole was responsible as an 18-year old for OJ's first marriage ending, when he pursued her publicly, and he and Marguerite had separated on multiple occasions in the decade before he met Nicole. It's like she bewitched him! I bet the ol' off with her head treatment is kind of a suitable punishment for a really bad person who doesn't do exactly what you want. The Red Queen thought so too.
I very much liked Yolanda Crawford in this series and understand and believe that she took the process seriously. I also think she seemed very sad and somber, and wonder if she was reflecting back on things like her opinion about the 1997 civil judgment and wishing she knew then what she knew now. I think two decades of 'If I Did It' and the rather troubled life of currently somehow alive OJ girlfriends like Christie Prodie show that at least to most, there's background and there's background. Unless one is Carrie Bess of course.
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I don't understand what Shannon's 'doing' to Vicki. She has a puss on when Truffle Hunter is around. Big deal.
Vicki has decided, and there is obvious and actual willfulness involved, that somehow Shannon is most culpable for how she, Vicki, feels after being exposed as duplicitous about something serious. Shannon gave her more help and support than anyone, supported her fucked-up relationship, 'had her back.' Vicki feels some kind of guilt though she's still a fucking horrible monster, and that is why she's trying to attack Shannon. Shannon's got her issues, but she doesn't deserve it. And Vicki needs to zip that snout calling David out -- she's REPEATEDLY said she was 'unfaithful on' (gotdamn she's an idiot) Donn, and vice-versa, and she did the same in her first marriage. ITA with Ghoulina that David is talking about Vicki to divert from his own sins, but Vicki has already gotten barrel-shaped drunk fuck Rhonda, Billy's girlfriend, to attack Shannon about David. I hated that it was a storyline last year and that the Beador kids had this play out - but enough. It is such unnecessary cruelty. Shannon didn't do a muhfucking thing to Vicki, but hell, Vicki would probably choose Brooks over her grandsons in a Sophie's Choice kind of situation.
I read or saw a preview where Kelly, who apparently is 40 (...I know) and a mother to one, is mocking Shannon's weight. Shannon's in her 50s and carried 3 kids. She's also a small woman, obviously. Kelly needs to STFD and STFU. Idiota. Gross.
I admire the intense working out Tamra's done and that's it. I agree with Juneau Gal that she looks hard, and I'll be the assjack that points out Tamra probably had a serious tummy tuck along with the multiple boob implants and explants and rotations; she blamed the tuck on diastasis, I'm pretty sure. Nice work if you can get it. And I think she dips into all kinds of shady drugs and supplements. Her body is her temple, she wouldn't know anything spiritual if it struck her with several bolts of lightning.
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Vicki could not be more repulsive to me. I so wish she'd get hit like a jowly pinata with the reminders that she's a fucking liar about cancer again and again and again. She is despicable. I hope she gets fleeced by her next shifty love-tank filler, where she's down to 2 bandage dresses and a pair of heels she can't toddle in. She's a genuinely bad person. She just wanted to believe in Crooks...oh, and would you mind believing in that healthy drink company she and Crooks shilled for while they were both obviously lying? KTHX! Honestly, and I like none of these women, they should be angry with her and never film with her, particularly Shannon and Heather.
Kelly is fuckin' hard to look at. 40? 40. 40! Okay. And...slow your roll, you putty-faced foolio. She's incredibly mean, nasty, shallow, cheap, thoughtless, and fug. A perfect fit for this ever-nasty cast. They are all flawed but I pity Heather (her 'gorgeous!' 'gorgeous!' montage was hilarious), Meghan and Shannon for being part of a cast where their 'peers' are Vicki, Tamra, and the doubtlessly loathsome Kelly, who looks like a soulless, porn-aesthetic version of a Margaret Keane painting. Yuck.
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LIMOM, I totally agree. I think Jules is a pretty nice person, and I don't see her as a do-nothing worthless person at all. I don't understand that perspective. And if you're some hedge dude, and you've been married for 8 years and have 2 children, yeah, maybe help your SAH spouse pay for fees for an incredibly coveted apartment. That is a great asset to have. Just my opinion.
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See, LIMOM, Jules is totally worthless...all things flow from that.
There are thousands and thousands of Jules-types in NYC. I live surrounded by them. They are SAHMs (and Jules now has some kind of product in at Whole Foods), and routinely have nanny and housekeeper help, some live-in. I have none of that but it's not my reality. Jules has been married for a long time to someone with substantial earnings, apparently. Some couples have separate accounts, some have everything held jointly, and on and on. Whatevs. Like the sun rising you can always find people having a real vituperative attitude towards a perceived as spoiled SAHM.
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Way harsh Tai! Dudes, he (allegedly?) fucked her girlfriend and humiliated her...and HE married her! If he chose her, he could stand her, and I'm still shocked by all this - I stupidly thought he was a nice guy, with very little attitude. There has been universal comment that she doesn't seem super sharp, I have no reason to think she deliberately lied to a court, at all. Further, re the condo fees - isn't it owned by more than 1 person? Who knows what's true there?
I usually can't stand the commentary surrounding these kinds of stories but the idea of Michael finding a 'smarter' woman, a friend of hers, to cheat on her with - man, that's simply terrible. And these stories I guess coming out *now* about Jules? Huh. A relationship doesn't have to end this way. It's very sad, and it seems to me likely that Michael is gaming and gaslighting her even now.
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This was such a rough episode - few people covered themselves in okayness, let alone glory. Good grief the Florida and Vegas guys -- what a seedy, sad, pathetic capper to a terrible, tragic bunch of events.
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1 hour ago, Mumbles said:
As fare as this episode is concerned, I like the contrast between the two jurors - one thoughtful and insightful, and one so infuriating that my blood pressure goes up when I see her (the older one who said she doesn't respect a woman who lets her ass get beat.)
Yes. I agree with Bastet's comments as well on the contrast between the two jurors. The younger juror had to be any trial lawyer's dream - thoughtful, smart, rational, compassionate. The sequence of events, where she's moved by the actual testimony to find Fuhrman at first a seemingly straight-forward and honest police officer, and then is driven to conclude that he lacked a fundamental credibility and could conceivably plant evidence, made sense. You can imagine her 21 years ago, weighing everything, and growing disillusioned and dismayed. She was the perfect person to illustrate how a reasonable woman could have very reasonable doubts.
And then on the other side of the planet lives Carrie Bess, the older juror who seemed damned close to saying, 'Nicole got what she deserved' along with a shoulder shrug. I don't care what kinds of hard experiences one brings with them once they apply them to someone who was unequivocally victimized for years. She blamed Nicole for her beatings. She blamed her for more, I'm sure, but has the small scrap of shame in her somewhere, where she won't just say it. There is a ton of ugly under Bess's opinions, and not all of it has to do with being an Angeleno and watching the LAPD get away with murder, with King's beatings, with the systematic, oppressive pursuit of and abuse of African-Americans by a significant part of department. Bess is awful.
I don't really have words for the photos. I thought I was ready. For those who don't have my ooh-la-la TV addiction, the cat-faced freak with the government name Faye Resnick is an ancillary character on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Kathryn Edwards, Marcus Allen's fiance and then wife at the time of the murders, was added to the cast this past season, and barnacle Faye and Kathryn had a conversation of sorts about Faye's book, where she apparently quoted Kris The Great Satan Kardashian and wrote that Kathryn looked the other way as Marcus and Nicole carried on. PTV let us comment about the O.J. backstory in a dedicated subthread, to talk about the preceding events leading to what was ultimately a tepid confrontation. Some posters, including me, talked about reading about the severity of Nicole's injuries, and described them as a near-decapitation. Some posters pshawed over that, oh what a dramatic and unnecessary way to describe the injuries. Look at what O.J. did to them.
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2 hours ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:
When she was defending her awful behavior at the Hamptons brunch in her blog, Bethenny did intimate that we would come to find out that she was right to question the authenticity of the Wainsteins - I believe she made a comment that the flashback to Simon and Alex was an apt comparison.
I'm not entirely sure Jules would be aware if she were in McCord-VanKempen-type straits. I don't think she's dishonest or pretentious; Jules seems sheltered and delicate to me. I'm kind of worried about her too. It's very hard to understand how her husband can come out of this accusing her of being a 'drama queen.' I feel damned sorry for her. I hope she lands on her feet, learns that she is strong and capable, and finds a cool man who loves her for her. She is to some very pretty and young, pretty nice, and has perhaps had all the children she wants to have. She certainly can build a good life for herself.
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S08.E15: All Bets Are Off
in The Real Housewives Of New York City
· Edited by Midnight Cheese
Carole is a garbage person, a vile piece of trash living only on that day falling between next Monday and Wednesday. She is utterly mean and I feel in my bones she is envious not necessarily of Jules' weight, but of her being the most attention-pulling in this crew for her thinness. She is hateful, spiteful and cruel and has been snide to Jules from the start. It's awful to see. And there are several reasons that Carole could trigger more contempt than Methenny - Carole isn't as feral and clings to the idea that she's a nice, concerned, observant Margaret Mead type instead of a putty-faced unkind materialistic cunning twuntmonster. The retconning in her blogs shows it. She can't just come straight. There was nothing human even in her sotto voce cuntitude during that dinner.
Beth celebrates skinny on a professional level but Jules triggers her? Worthless liar. Beneath contempt. She is beneath contempt and will be wretched til she croaks.
I didn't catch this before but Carole and B both work the same side of basic bitch boulevard - as cowards they can only argue with an audience and one at a time. So Carole wars with Aviva and makes up with Lu, and wars wih Jules and finally accepts the tenth apology Lu has given. Jules dared tell B about herself with deadly fucking accuracy - time for the B to strategically forgive Sonja! Pathetic.