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Yeah I've been speculating for some time now that there is a Jorge Castillo/Wallace Mahoney connection. What I've been trying to figure out is Wes' connection that is not just his DNA. There are so many things that could've happend during the summer break (of course he must have done something to learn more about the Mahoney's) or at the backdoors which we never get to see. Who was he talking to. Is it really In Case of Emergency or is it a code (ICE) could also point out to Immigration and Customs Enforcement which also connects Eve Rothlo again. Did Frank's phone call to Laurel when she was in Miami (where he mentioned that Annalise sent a hitman) have any weight on the attempt to bring Annalise down? Let's just say, Laurel have all the rights to be paranoid right now. The conspiracy theories are really intriguing. And I'm loving it more.

I did. Charles was on trial for murder. The Mahoney family buisiness (Hedge funds) was under investigation by the FBI. The prosecution's contention was that Vickie was going to testify against the family and that's why he killed her, but the charge was murder. I know. I never said that the case from the flashbacks was not murder. I know he was charged with Vickie's murder wherein Rose Edmond (aka Wes' mom) was supposed to be a witness. What I was trying to point out was that the money issue (whatever it was, laundering or something) was what connects the Mahoney's to Jorge Castillo. I wasn't saying he was charged with something else. I was saying there is another case/scenario other than the murder of Charles' fiance which they only mentioned in passing but I think it is the bigger story other than that murder. That murder and Rose's death is just the tip of the iceberg. The detail on the background are probably pieces of the puzzle. Hope that's clear. :-)

I tend not to pay much attention to their "case of the week" drama. I love this episode because we get to dive more into Laurel's story. Which have been such a mystery since Season 1.

The Laurel-Wes and Annalise-Wes flashbacks were necessary and expectedly sweet, but I think Michaela's stands out. It was unexpected and unlikely. Connor's and Asher's were kind of a dud. That very short conversation of Wes and Michaela gave us a view on her understanding and her instict to take care of Laurel.

Laurel is probably the best written character on this show. Love her or hate her, it's working. Strip off all the drama and just read her as a character and it's kinda amazing to dissect her and how she was written. She is probably one of the most creatively written character her along with Bonnie. They have this twisted personality, back stories and kinda amazing aspects in them. No matter how many times I watch this show, those two really stands out in a very creative point of view...

IIRC Charles wasn't charged with conspiracy and embezzlement, he was charged with killing his girlfriend. Rose was to be his alibi that he was not at her apartment at the time of the murder, but in office working. I've always assumes Jorge and Wallace were in cahoots. I'll respond to that in the speculation thread. Check it again. Charles was in trial for the Murder of his ex fiancé Vicky. Vicky who was supposedly a key witness to a bigger family crime that has something to do with their hedge fund money when she was found dead. The question still lies, who killed her and why? What is this "crime" which she was the key witness... It was mentioned by the prosecuting lawyer at the Mahoney Case during the episode in Season 2 with Annalise's flashback.

Let's place another question! What could be inside Wes' phone? (Or computer) Wes is a pretty smart guy. He'd been through a lot in law school that he probably knows how to hack now. Or there might be a moment where he asked Oliver to hack Mr.Castillo for him. My brain is kinda itching to learn these things! September is just too long of a wait.

Totally. I think she maybe a small player but she knows a lot about the Castillo and the Mahoneys. But I'm excited to discover the things she will uncover as well. What was Sylvia Mahoney implying durign their lunch? The things that Annalise doesn't know. And a closer look at Laurel from season 1 makes you wonder. Esp when Annalise said on Season 2 that "You've been through worse with your father."... So it means that dumping your professor's husband's body, throwing a dead-ADA's body off the roof, planting evidence and shooting your professor (i know it was her who shot Annalise, but still) what could be worse that any of these things, right? I've always been intrigued with Laurel and have been waiting for her to be more than the TV wallflower. She's like a bullet slowly moving. If this show's title is "Who Can Get Away with Murder" she'd be first on the billing, second would be Bonnie. Everyone else will either be dead or imprisoned, and yeah, that is including Annalise Keating. Laurel's official character profile at the ABC webpage described her as a "Secret Weapon". I guessed we've only been teased of what she can do this past 3 seasons, and we're about to discover more. Isn't it exciting?

Nah, just less confidence and angst. I too wants his beard back. I think I like the beard more than him. At least with the beard, when he fails, you forget about his errors immediately.

After seeing this episode three times and binge watching the complete series from season 1, I now see the light with the weight of this episode. There is more to it than just Laurel dating Wes. So now I'm guessing their unborn child is a key to keep everything connected. (So, yeah I guess you don't have to worry about Laurel getting an abortion or anything. That baby is the heir to a very complicated empire filled with consipiracies!! And it's F***ng awesome! Now let me help you all see what I'am seeing. Season 1 Michaela, Connor and Asher, it makes sense for them to be part of the Keating 5. It's sort of expected. Wes is somewhat a given but if you look at it in a realistic way, there's a reason why Annaliese picked him (and that has become apparent over the course of three seasons). Not the mystery has always been Laurel. Hints about how awful her family is, and her father, whatever history it is, they've been dopping crumbles all over the place. The question why Keating picked Laurel, as posed by Bonnie, was initially painted as because of Frank. But then again, apparently Frank and Annaliese knew more about her and her background. Season 2 More about Wes' backstory. Enters the Mahoneys and how their drama is connected to Annaliese and Sam's family troubles. And we all know about how Wes' mom killed herself in front of Annaliese that also cost her her baby. Now let's look back at something we sorta ignored because of all the happenings inside the Keating house, The Mahoney case! Charles was acccused of killing a key witness to a case against their empire. Embezzlements and whatnot. Rose (Wes' mom apparently lied to Annaliese) and did not testify. Now back on Laurel, still many ignored here charecter (not me though, she's my favorite and those crumbles they've been dropping about her family, I try to pick them up) Apparently she's super loaded and her dad seems to be more powerful and connected than Asher's father. And she'd gone through worse than dumping her professor's husband's body. Now here's a key detail that most of us failed to recognize and must've sparked the fire. Wes and Laurel flew to Ohio to research on the Mahoney USING PAPA CASTILLO'S CREDIT CARD!!! Season 3 Now we've seen more of Laurel and Wes and their secrets. The two of them. Wes and Annaliese. Annaliese and Laurel. As clear as day, while everyone else is seating at the kitty table, Laurel isn't. She's seated at the bigger table with the bosses. And yeah, welcome Papa Castillo! Here's a little show of how much connection he has. So since we all got to this episode, I assume we've we've all seen the rest of the show. Now let's make the connection. Apparenlty, the story we've been seeing seems to be nothing compared to what is actually behind the curtain. Here's me Theory and Questions. 1.) Annaliese is in fact just a pawn. The major players are the Mahoneys and the Castillos. Making Wes and Laurel more than part of the Keating 5. 2.) The Mahoney case from ten years ago was just a portion of a bigger case. The whole embezzlement and laundering case most probably is the bigger story connecting the Mahoneys and Mr. Castillo. So let's look at the Mahoneys and the questions so far: 3.) Who killed Vicky? Was it really Charles? And why? 4.) What did Vicky knew about the Mahoneys? Why is she a key witness to the Mahoneys' Money laundering or embezzlement case? 5.) What did Rose Edison knew about the Mahoneys? Where was she when Vicky died? 6.) Did the Mahoneys caused Annaliese's car accident? 7.) Did Sylvia Mahoney reached out to Wes? What does she mean when she said "You don't know anything" to Annaliese? 8.) Who was Wallace Mahoney talking to on the phone before he got killed in front of Wes? What did he mean by "... this thing we are dealing with..."? 9.) How did Charles Mahoney got out of prison from his first murder case? When did that case ended? Now that case is far beyond my imagination but I think we are heading that way for Season 4. Let's connect how this old case matters. 10.) When Wes and Laurel decided to go to Ohio using her dad's credit card, waved a red flag to Mr.Castillo. Naturally, he followed their tracks. Discovered that they were looking into the Mahoney case. Then came Frank killing Mahoney forcing Wes to be a witness in his case and Sylvia Mahoney conducting a DNA test. Now on paper it shows that Wes is a Mahoney. Ding ding, Mr.Castillo discovered it. And in that search Wes and Laurel ended up with boxes of records. There must be something in those records that bridges the path from Mr.Castillo to Wes. 11.) So why did Laurel's dad put a hit in Wes and try to bring down Annaliese? I'm certain that it's not as simple as him discovering that Wes and Laurel are dating. There is a huge possibility that Jorge Castillo met in between season 2 & 3 or at the back doors of season 3. Let me paint WES and some scenarios: 12.) Who was he talking to when he said "This is Christophe"? Sylvia Mahoney? Eve Rothlov? Jorge Castillo? Dominic? 13.) I'm certain that Wes knew who Dominic is. (He said "Why are you doing this?" not "Who are you?") But how? What was their connection? 14.) What did Wes learned about Jorge Castillo? (Flashback to Season3, Episode 3, Wes researching on Jorge Castillo) 15.) What happened during the summer between Season 2 & 3? Laurel was in Mexico, Wes was doing an internship. Apparently he was dodging her (Flashback Season 3 Episode 1, Laurel said he wasn't responding to her text messages) Did he discovered something about Jorge Castillo and the Mahoneys? 16.) Did Wes discovered something that he hid from Laurel when they were in Ohio? (Uhm, Laurel did the same to him) 17.) Did Wes conspired with Jorge Castillo against the Mahoneys? 18.) Remember this detail, during the Mahoney case, Bonnie was still an intern but Frank, he was working on the Mahoney case with Annaliese. With his and Annaliese's skills, they must've learned who Jorge Castillo is and what he does and whatever his connection with the bigger Mahoney case is. That's why they picked Laurel. 19.) There is someone bigger or something else between Mr.Castillo and the Mahoneys that they are either scared or have theirs hand tied on the back. (B613 maybe, or Olivia Popr) 20.)How possible it is that Laurel was papaMahoney's leverage to either acquit Charles or get out of the money laundering case? How come papaCastillo refused to pay ransom right? 21.) And what was Rose doing the night Charles Mahoney supposedly killed that Vicky girl? Why did she lie? Was she being raped by Charles at that time? 22.) Who is Vicky? Was she related to the Castillo's? Or maybe Dominic, the new guy? Now in my world, I see more colors on this show now that I think this last episode is BRILLIANT! Here's what I'm sure for next season: 1 - Wes is really dead. (unless papaCastillo pulled something out of his bag, for creative purposes, I hope not) 2 - Wes is undeniably the father of Laurel's baby. Making that child a Castillo and a Mahoney. The existence of that kid means chaos so I'm certain that he will survive all this drama. So expect a little curlyhaired baby with deep dimples and peircing blue eyes in Laurel's hands come Season 4 or 5. 3 - Eve Rothlo will be back! Remember when at the hospital when Sam told Eve that Annaliese is off the case, well, where did Eve go after that? Seriously, 10 years. A smart lawyer like her, she'd done something. And I'm guessing she was hired by the Mahoneys after. 4 - Frank and Annaliese probably have something against that they can hold on top of his head. 5 - Wes still have at least 8-10 episode flashbacks for next season. If not, they better put a tumor in Annaliese' brains and end up talking to an imaginary Wes. So there you go. That is where my head went. From the moment Laurel speaks up that first day of school, to her using here dad's credit card to and her dad wanting Wes gone, and her seeking justice, I made up a map in my head that makes sense for a show like this. As cruel as it is, if this is the map of the show, then cremating Wes was a necessary creative twist (though I really hate it) for Laurel to want to bring closure to his cruel life. This is not a regular TV show so I'm betting my guess is closer than the conclusions I've been reading online. Like seriously, I don't think the writers would kill off Wes just because he was dating Laurel. Like what Annaliese said "The Quiet Ones are the most Dangerous". I wouldn't be surprised if the kill off Laurel next and leave "the child of the Quiet Ones" to Annaliese -Now I'm excited for season 4! Bring it ON! Never ignore every small detail on this show PS. I'm pretty sure reading this is as confusing as watching the show, but aI have a very confusing brain so I guess I can keep up with their crazies.