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52 minutes ago, ahrtee said:
As you said, it's the editor's (or director's) choice which take/angle to use. Or are you saying that an actor should break character (which in theory is what "muting" his performance would be) because he feels he's stronger than the other actor? And no, I'm not saying one actor is better than the other. That's getting into BvJ territory and I don't want to go there. Just trying to say that "hogging the spotlight" is unfair.
Yes. It is unfair. I was just saying it is possible to do it in a number of ways and even perhaps not being aware of it.
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1 hour ago, ahrtee said:
Which only works on stage (with one "spotlight") or a one-camera setup, and no director or editor to decide if it's distracting, taking away from the scene, or disturbing the flow of the story. With multiple takes and camera angles, nothing gets into a scene except what the director wants.
ETA: And if the director chooses a take that focuses on one actor (think: camera on Dean's reaction to Sam shooting Madison, rather than Sam's POV) that's not hogging, that's the director's choice. And nothing against Jared's acting abilities. He's still the focus of the story.
Yes, it is a stage term.
Not quite true about film and tv. An actor can mute his performance to let someone else shine. Or not. So X may be the lead but the editors may subtly prefer the takes that have more Marilyn and less Norma Jean.
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18 hours ago, BabySpinach said:
How does one hog the spotlight if they have no creative control in the directing, writing, or editing? Is Jensen supposed to purposefully act worse for the sake of his co-stars?
And disagreement is not an attack. No one's asking you or expecting you to 'back down'.
‘Hog the spotlight’ is done by acting. Moving into the light while someone else is having their monologue and making funny gestures behind their back (which attracts the audience’s attention) as one exaggerated example.
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I think they are carving out a chunk of Gaiman shows, so this has a chance to last at least until they have to pay people real money. You know, come for Sandman and you may also like….
This seems to occupy the same general space as Lockwood and Co and I liked that better.
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Maybe Lorien can come over from Babylon 5 occasionally to ferry the star trek folk with god complexes, past the rim.
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21 hours ago, HDJulie said:
1. Did Moldaver's people do the slaughtering of the Vault 32 people so they could get to Vault 33 & ultimately, Hank? And then slaughtered Vault 33 people? If they got into 32, why couldn't they have gotten Into 33 the same way. Oh well, I guess the end justifies the
4. Assuming that the corporate people all went into stasis as well, they wanted to wake up 200 years later, when I guess the level of radiation would have become not as deadly or whatever, to 'rebuild' the world as they saw fit, a world where the entire infrastructure was gone & there would be no modern conveniences for likely decades?
I think Moldaver’s people arranged the wedding via 32 after the residents of 32 all died from overpopulation or mass hysteria. Or both.
my guess is that they were thinking the world was going to blow up anyway. They wanted the advantage.
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1 hour ago, PurpleTentacle said:
I have no idea what you are even trying to say. Turning into a god is a very old trope in scifi. @millennium even pointed out an example from Star Trek, which also came up again more recently in lower decks.
Religious mumbo jumbo is more science-fantasy (think nBSG). Maybe it can be part of science fiction, depending on your definition, but even then, it's certainly not Star Trek.
Yes, which is the problem. Nobody is going to fix those other towers.
What gives you that impression?
I believe that the Federatuon feels a responsibility for the planets and races they contact and would therefore make sure they are okay, when possible. Even 31. That is why I think long term contact would be established on some level with the planet.
(sigh) the Prophets of the bajorans, however powerful, are wormhole aliens. Science generally would say they can be known, although maybe not by us, now. Michael is looking for our creator and God is an alien, as it turns out, with the power to create life. Who should have this power? If Michael gets the prize will she be a god. No she won’t. Nor was she a god when worshipped as the red angel. It is sort of a theme in star trek. But no. They are not turning into gods, even if people worship them.
this is my opinion. Of course. But i do argue that turning into a god like being may be a trope in science fiction, but rarely, if ever, turning into a god.
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1 hour ago, PurpleTentacle said:
Which is the problem. Turning into a god would actually be scifi.
No. No it would not. Good gravy. Unless you are using ‘scifi’ in a sarcastic and contemptuous way. Turning into something that appears to primitives to be godlike can be science fiction. Exploring an unknown feeling or idea can be science fiction.
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On 6/9/2021 at 10:39 PM, Tachi Rocinante said:
I only read couple of pages and stopped due to a lot of "feeling really angry/betrayed" posts.
- I've said it before - Logan was a douchebag of the highest order and his redemption arc was blatant fanservice bullshit. He didn't deserve to get all blown up though. They would have been better off as exes who get along.
- So it was Penn all along. What happened to his girlfriend? And did he actually kill the kid in the tent?
- Did Dick not get any of his Dad's money? Unless he blew it all less than One Year Later.
- Hello, Madam President. She has a great voice for therapy.
- I think Keith will eventually lighten up on Clyde
Keith and Veronica both made friends with someone and violated that trust, Veronica predictably gets rejected and Keith is forgiven.Every season they do something like that, to remind us they are basically the same person,. Yeah, he probably will lighten up, especially after Veronica spends most of her time out of town.
You know how Lynn Echolls ended up becoming an alcoholic while staying with her kid, trying to get away from Aaron and finally killing herself when Logan turned 16 and could become an emancipated minor—which, of course, he didn’t? If Logan had lived that is where Veronica was headed. She is codependently locked into what is an abusive relationship, Logan is fixated on her as part of his way to look normal to the outside world, and they are not breaking up. She was going toi end up living down the street from Wallace, with children. She would pull away from alcoholism, I think, but I don’t think her future was good if Logan lived. Douchebag and Jackass are cute names for malignant narcissist at best, sociopath at worse.
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11 hours ago, marinw said:
Great point. When I was watching Dowton Abbey I thought that the folks in the 1920s had most of the stuff we have now: phones, cars, radios, electricity and movies. Cultural change can be slow, but 900 years is a huge chunk of time.
I get that and it is a good point. On the other hand They did retrofit discovery. When Stamets is able to work on Fred because he is a packrat, he has saved old stuff from before the retrofit and it makes sense that older trch would still be in use. There is the personal transporter. The managed to upgrade the drive quickly. Then, it is hard to tell what 31 has suppressed and what they have encouraged. They may be rediscovering stuff first used before the burn.
they allude to change but don’t focus on it. People are the same.
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8 hours ago, marinw said:
What feels weird about the later seasons of Disco is how little society has changed in 900 years, even if the was some regression or stagnation post Burn. We still have the same social structures and Starfleet is more or less the same in terms of ranks and overall missions. It's still super difficult to leave the Milky Way Galaxy. I would think that society would be vastly different, like the Middle Ages compared to the 21st Century. Maybe things just got to a certain point and stayed there? Or did the Temporal Wars frak things up to the point that society stayed largely static? Or do the Disco writers lack imagination? Given that last night's episode was another version of a plot that's been done a bunch of time in Trek already makes me assume the later.
(One of the best examples of imagining a future with a vastly different society and political and system that I have seen or read is Ada Palmer's Terra Ignota series)
Societies have usually changed with glacial slowness. Right now we are living in an extremely unusual period. Will technology continue to change that fast and have a major impact on society as a whole? You have a phone now, it may be a chip inserted under the skin of your wrist at some point, but how different will its function be?
Of course, I saw TOS when it first came out, and I’d read a lot of science fiction before that time, and most of the ideas in TOS were not new. Also, like all star trek, it has the structure of a parable and the characters encounter things that illuminate our current society. They don’t encounter things that are totally alien to us.
TNG ran into primitive cultures, including twentieth century analogues, all the time. DS9 was different, but it had Nazis and Machiavellian mysogenists.
Stargate had a weather tower show. Also ran into a lot of primitive cultures and simplistic ones. Lower Decks mines past shows shamelessly. So does SNW.
After the burn I imagine a lot of places, without contact and imports, slid back to something surviva le. Some probably lost enough so they forgot. Meanwhile some aspect of the Federation worked at not losing more ground.
It makes sense.
In addition, I think everything this season is in service to the characters and giving them the sendoff they would have gotten if the show had lasted longer.
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23 hours ago, edhopper said:
Hell was horrific.
I’m shocked.
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Without Michael’s coaching earlier Tilly would never have made it. It was oddly moving to see them back together as friends. This is kind of callback is what this season is about. I’m betting Tilly needs to become captain of a cadet ship.
Book is pining. Awww.
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21 hours ago, Zella said:
I know people who do, including some relatives, but I don't wear slippers myself. I always found them super uncomfortable. I have big feet, too, so the idea of spending even more time finding something to fit doesn't appeal to me. 😂
I have indoor sneakers.
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2 hours ago, Hanahope said:
So thinking back to Ep 1, when the group from vault 32 (or what 33 thought was 32) showed up for the wedding. When someone from vault 31 shows up, don't the people from 33 wonder why its just the single person showing up and not a group to help celebrate the wedding?
and when Betty announces that vault 33 (who was already low in numbers after the wedding slaughter) was going to repopulate 32, and they sent like a dozen people, why isn't anyone asking, 'hey can't 31 send some too' since a dozen people can't really be a large enough gene pool.
or are we just to assume there's more people in these vault than we actually see? and where were vault 33's storm troopers during the wedding slaughter?
Well, I haven’t paid a log of attention to the game and wasn’t watching any pre nmedia for the show, so imagine my surprise when it is based on Ellison’s novella, “A boy and his dog’. Whiuch is a remarkably moving, well written story which has a pretty finished, stable bit of worldbuilding. Of course, everyone wanted more from him, and he produced a little.
So I s[ent the first half of this looking for a reason why this existed. So far it is mildly entertaining and I’m somewhat engaged by some characters, but the world building has not surpassed, or even caught up with, the original. We are shown everything that poor puppy went through, but so far, no real character development. If he is telepathic, well read and so on, it is not evident. The vaults don’t make a lot of sense. Are there backup pods of people? How many times have the pod populations been replaced? I agree that Lucy talked about the gene pool, so that should be something the general population of the vaults is concerned with and I wondered if they had let the surface dwellers in for that reason, but haven’t seen any evidence that was what 31 did.
So far the show was entertaining, in part because Amazon threw a lot of money at it and got good actors, but ….. um…….that seems about it.
Iwant to know more about great uncle peter.
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3 hours ago, paulvdb said:
I think the comparison to TOS and TNG refers mostly to the focus on a smaller number of main characters. I never really watched TOS but based on what I read about it it seems to have primarily focused on Kirk, Spock and McCoy. While some characters on TNG got more stories and screen time than others, I felt that on TNG the supporting cast got more screen time and stories of their own compared to Discovery where we barely got to know most of the bridge crew. We only really got to know Michael, Saru, Tilly, Stamets and Culber.
And it is Michael’s show. Tos is Kirk’s show. Which is why when we also get to know another character on Discovery, it is Book.
it is her five year journey.
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Honestly my point was that, similar to Reeves and Moss in the Matrix, zebdaya and Chalamet look to be of a similar and fluid gender. In the Matrix the look is there for a fairly obvious reason. In this movie, possibly it is as well. Paul is the ine who can see both his male and female lines.
actors lying about their height seems kind of ‘80s. Anyway, irrelevant. The others are presented as very male and don’t seem short. It is a movie. -
On 4/13/2024 at 10:41 PM, Sakura12 said:
You don't carry anyone's head in the game. Mostly you kill people and loot all their stuff. It's a first person game so all you see is your hands and your weapon.
I guess she didn't want her bag to smell. That's where she keeps her food.
I wondered that too, since she could have found something to put the head in, like she could have made a bindle out of the guy’s shirt, since he was no longer using it. If everyone is looking for the head, just dumb.
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Hasn’t that ‘some enchanted evening’ shtick been used somewhere else? Slow motion, mass death?
Lucy looks a lot like her Dad, it helps with the connection.
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Impossible oysters and Beyond Tuna are a possibility, I think oysters might actually be something that could be used in maintaining vault ecosystems, though. if the ‘pods’ hold people in stasis fields,there could be rooms of canned food in stasis, but it is more likely that each vault put aside some resources to make fake meat and fish.
I assume the knights are the result of another company’s vaults, like Vault 4 was another company;s vaults. I think that Max made sense, as a traumatized four or five year old who want security and thinks the knights are his heroes. He believes what they say, and they wouldn’t want to put him in power, but he makes a good underling. I imagine the older knights hang onto power as long as they can and it isn’t unusual to have an older squire and squires that don’t become knights, or die before they become knights.
It took a while for me to get really interested in what was happening, by which I mean invested in the characters. I think I’m more interested in what is happening in the different vaults than the post apocalyptic nonsense.
I wonder if the ghouls are the result of research into anti radiation and longevity research, possibly we will find out that Coop was taken into That Vault. It doesn’t seem like anyone except management would get put in stasis.
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On 4/23/2024 at 12:47 PM, Megras said:
Wasn't it Hank that nuked Shady Sands not Coop. Or do I need to watch again (oh no the hardship!)
Yes, I think Coop is being confused with Dale Cooper
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On 4/24/2024 at 9:24 PM, HDJulie said:
I'm not a gamer (though I did play MUD back in the day. Try doing it all with just text), so I'm not familiar with the video game for this show & maybe that's why I don't understand how Vault 32 was cleaned, repainted, all the gore & broken stuff removed & replaced with new stuff from who knows where, in a day. Who did all of the work because it had to be a group of people & that means a number of people know what happened to Vault 32. Are these people in/from Vault 31? Is that some mastermind vault?
It seem to be. Maybe the vaults are like terrorist cells. Group of three, one takes care of the others. NOt sure.
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On 4/18/2024 at 9:05 AM, Tachi Rocinante said:
So the Vault overseers have been lying to the young ones about how long they've actually been down there? Or did I misunderstand the awkward conversation between Lucy and Max?
Apparently the vaults overpopulate , kill each other, and are recolonized.
is Ellison ever acknowledged in the game itself, because I haven’t played it. Clearly Cooper and his poster ‘a man and his dog’ makes it clear the tv people know the roots of the story. -
3 hours ago, DanaK said:
Russell Davies explains how the Timeless Child reveal impacts the show’s future
Someone has to!
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S01.E04: The Case of the Lighthouse Leapers
in Dead Boy Detectives
I’d guess ghosts would be all over everywhere. Death is generally evenly spread out, excepting the occasional battleground or disaster.