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If there is a common look at all for the sensitive coffeehouse singer songwriter type I'd think it'd be more like Jason Castro or Crystal Bowersox. I think Mac's look is trying to convey emo/alt/hipster but he's so boyish he comes off more like Harry Potter or any boy band member.
Look at the guys in One Direction. They all look just like Mac to me... same hair, same clothes styles, same slim build, same pretty face. Not that that's a bad thing for Mac. I just didn't get the "Look at me, I'm obviously not boy band material" comment, unless he was being sarcastic.
He might have meant precisely he is too dorky and boyish looking to be in a boyband. Out of the 2 of them Dalton strikes me as more "boyband" looking (although an emo version) than Mac. Mac is kind of too dorky and hipster looking IMO to be in a boyband.
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Do you think it's intentional wisdom? Especially if most of his recent songs have been co-written with his latest writing band member. AI has largely been pretty good about this as I feel it's been reported, but the conventional wisdom is that anything performed on the show, 19 Entertainment gets a financial stakeholding in its rights (as it's, I believe, standard language in the contract. "Anything conveyed on the show is our property and we can use it how we see fit
If you mean that he hasn't performed originals because it otherwise becomes property of the show, no, I don't think that's the reason. He just needs to find the right theme because the last few weeks haven't allowed him to do an original (Grammy songs, Idol songbook). His only chance is if they flat out do an original songs night or free choice. I do hope at some point he can do one though because I think he's a phenomenal writer and could blow everyone away.
To my knowledge his only cowrites are Superman and Hercules, the rest I think he writes himself, so I don't think there'd be any issue with having to get permission or whatever from the other writer. And the cowriter is his friend Will who's been there to support Dalton every round so far and I'm sure would give his blessing for Dalton to perform one of their songs if that was a problem.
I thought Jennifer's dress was kind of cute but I think it was a terrible choice for a show filmed sitting down. You need to stand in that thing. I feel like her choices are just to drum up buzz, though. As long as they're talking about her, it can be good or bad.
I also think it's in her contract that she gets deference from Ryan and the judges. And that she gets to speak over Harry at least 3 times a show. It's funny she doesn't do it to Keith. It's like she wants to challenge Harry for the "smart judge" role. I think they're both dim. Harry's lyrics lessons were mildly interesting the first 10 times he played it. Jen's stepped it up from her initial seasons where everything was "beautiful" but I don't think I've heard anything really helpful from her in a long time.
I wondered if Mackenzie's package spiel about the BSB song was supposed to be sarcastic? He said it was the perfect song for him and Dalton (?) and something about he (Mackenzie) is clearly not boy band material ("I mean, look at me!") I was thinking, "You do kind of look like boy band material. You look 16, you're cute, you're unintimidating..."
Didn't people used to say Kris Allen and his wife looked like fraggles? Mackenzie's another one.
Nah Mac is the sensitive coffeehouse singer songwriter. Ironically Dalton was the one who used to be in a boy band, but funnily enough he didn't seem into this at all and it didn't suit him or his voice and I thought it actually suited Mac better, vocally.
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It looks like a bra with an apron attached.
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Ironically I think the BSB duet worked better for Mac than it did for Dalton. Go figure.
I rewatched the Aerosmith duet. Ouch, someone hit a wrong note on the piano there.
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I think the extra pluses of Dalton (and Mac, if it comes down to it) are the songwriting, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is a consideration for the judges (Borchetta would be esp. interested in this) they're tossing on top of the pile in their performances. Mac especially can write the songs which suit him and fit in with the current male musical climate.
Yes songwriting is a big pull in today's artists (Adele, Taylor, Ed Sheeran, Meghan Trainor). I really like Mac's "Roses" song and I think Dalton is a phenomenal songwriter, even though he hasn't had a chance to perform any originals yet.
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OK, so going by the above, how is your argument of comparing Pope and Bradbury to Candice and Caleb fair? Neither had big singles to support their albums. They are on different labels, different management. And it's well known that neither were really marketed. Also, there's really no direct correlation between viewership and post show sales.
Then in that case it is probably not fair to compare anyone to anyone.
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As far as Dalton should be in a boyband, well he was at one point and he didn't really like it, so I don't think that would be a good idea for him. He's more of a frontman than a boybander IMO. He really seems to enjoy fronting bands and rock music is more his style. He doesn't like singing pop songs or doing choreographed dance moves alongside other guys lol He enjoys rocking out and bands allow him to do that. I've watched him perform as the frontman of his band Fly Away Hero and that seems to really be what works for him. If he wins unfortunately he has to sign on as a solo artist but maybe he can pull his old band back together and have them onstage with him (Nick might be doing that with Beach Avenue) or if he doesn't win, he can pull a Daughtry.
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I guess I'm in the minority because I didn't think any of the duets were awful. I enjoyed some more than others, of course, but overall I enjoyed them and didn’t think anyone was outright terrible.
Trent and La'Porsha - I thought their voices sounded really nice together, they were probably the best duet pairing. I'm rooting for Dalton to be somewhere in the finale this year but if this ends up being our final 2 I won't be mad. They're both vocally very deserving, even if I don't think either of them would probably sell records after the show. Trent maybe if he went the Sam Smith route, La'Porsha I doubt it.
Mackenzie and Dalton - I think they were saddled with a dumb song choice. Producers clearly wanted to bank on the fact they're the "heartthrobs" of the season and gave them a famous boyband tune. I can see how it was a little disjointed with Mac being stuck behind the mic stand while Dalton got to move around a little bit but overall I didn’t think it was that bad. I was shocked the judges panned them for this and especially was irritated by the way they criticized them for the song choice when they had nothing to do with it. And I doubt they have very much say, if any, in how the duets are arranged. Telling them they should have said no is just stupid. How do they know they didn’t try? The producers control everything about these duets, from the pairings to the songs to the arrangements. The contestants get little to no say on any of it. SHUT UP. I think they did the best they could with the cards they were dealt. I don’t think either of them would have picked this song for themselves if they had had their choice. I thought their voices blended nicely together and they harmonized well. It was cute and adorable and that’s about all you can expect from something like that. Asking them what the lyrics mean? It’s an insipid boyband song Harry. It’s not supposed to have some deep meaning. Again, SHUT. UP.
Sonika and Avalon - I thought their voices blended very nicely together too. Kind of a cool contrast to have the pretty Disney princess balladeer with the laid back tomboy. I didn’t care for how Avalon’s hair was styled here though.
Lee and Tristan - I didn’t think this was that bad. I thought their voices sounded really nice together, even if at times Tristan was overdoing it and pushing a bit too hard. I find it interesting that 2 of the pairings received very cool, very current songs (Trent and LP and Sonika and Avalon) while the other 2 received cheesy, outdated songs. Maybe a bit of bussing to take the favorites down a peg? Because viewers complain about too much pimping?
On to the solos…
La’Porsha - I really liked this. Thought she sounded great and the attitude and swag onstage was terrific. The little play with Harry was amusing. But I thought it was ridiculous how Harry questioned lyrics all night and for the first time he goes “I really understood the lyrics of that!” LOL No you didn’t Harry. No matter who sings this song lyrics like “Toe jam football he one holy roller joo joo eyeball coca cola” will never make any sense. Sometimes songs are just a bunch of random lyrics thrown together and don’t make any sense. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO HAVE SOME DEEP MEANING SHUT UP HARRY. Anyway, I didn’t like LP’s outfit on this at all. I don’t think it looked flattering on her.
MacKenzie - I’m shocked people are loving this. I thought it was mega boring and if anyone has a weak voice in this competition it’s him. I kind of liked Mac before but I’m starting to grow bored of him and I think he’s a one trick pony. He’s adorable and sweet and the one style he can do, he does really well (still love that original song Roses!). But he’s just very limited and I feel like all his performances are the same and he plays things very safe. I’m not sure I even really felt much of an emotional connection to this either, it was just ok for me (ok for you for me dawg). Maybe part of it is that I’ve never been a fan of this particular song anyway.
Trent - I really liked this and Trent is my second favorite in the competition after Dalton. If for some reason Dalton gets booted early, Trent will be my horse in the race. I don’t miss the hats and scarves at all, always thought it looked out of place on him with the type of music he sings. I loved his cooler, slicker styling here and think he should keep it. He’s quite handsome I think and this styling really emphasizes that. I wouldn’t mind if Trent won this year. He’s vocally very deserving IMO and I think if he went the way of Sam Smith he could sell records potentially. He’s very humble and sweet too, very likable IMO. I want a Trent/Dalton finale. I’m glad Bing was wrong and Trent was not in the B3. Hope he stays until at least top 3.
Tristan - I did not really like this. I thought she gave the performance of the night last week but I think that was just a fluke. She keeps choosing songs that either don’t suit her voice or are too big for her voice. She did a mostly ok job but when she got to the end her voice cracked. And her voice kept going in and out, I thought it might have been an issue with the mic or the sound but I think it was her voice. I think she has a tremendous amount of potential and her voice is very mature sounding for 15, but she just needs more time IMO. I didn’t think she really connected to this like she needed to. I liked Jordin Sparks’s version way better and she was not much older than Tristan when she did that.
Dalton - His performance had both positives and negatives for me this week. I think it was a definite improvement from last week and he seemed much more into the song this time (because gee, he got to do a song HE wanted in the way HE wanted?). It was very entertaining and dark and theatrical of course. I loved that he went for the scream at the end and actually pulled it off (not an easy feat considering he’s still battling the flu and a sinus infection). So I give him an A for effort on that. That being said, I think the band tends to drown him out on songs like this. I do have to agree with those who say his voice is not very powerful (but in no way do I think that means he’s a bad singer).
His voice really shines the best on acoustic songs, he just has a light tone, but he’s a very skilled and very underrated vocalist IMO. He took voice lessons for years through School of Rock and now works there as a vocal coach. He definitely knows about technique and knows how to use the voice he has. What most people don’t realize about his voice is that it’s just very nuanced. So what if he doesn’t have a big voice like Trent or LP? That doesn’t automatically mean he can’t sing or he’s a bad singer. He plays with dynamics very well and there are times when his voice has a gentle fragility while other times a rawness and a grit comes out and he knows when to use these things at just the right moments of songs. His tone is very pleasing. He always inserts the right emotions into what he sings. He’s never gone out of key or off pitch. Even in times when he’s struggled with his voice due to illness and maybe strained for notes, he was still in tune.
It bothers me a lot when people say he’s a weak singer or a bad singer because I know he can sing so much better than what he’s been able to show on Idol and with his song choices. He hinted in a FB chat he’s doing something emotional next week so I hope he’s picked either a ballad or acoustic song. I know he can blow everyone away if he does.
With that being said, I’m not and never was a David Cook fan, but I think I have to say David did do this better. Sorry Dalton. I still love you more though lol Oh I loved Keith’s comment comparing him to a waffle iron, that was the best
Save me performances:
Avalon - This was just the wrong song for this moment in time. She did a sufficient job on it but it vocally didn’t allow her to really show much nor is it emotionally engaging at all. It’s a fluffy filler song. Fine during a concert, not for a singing competition, and definitely not for a “save me” song. Avalon has a really cool voice, nice stage presence, a cool swag about her, but I think the judges were right in cutting her after she’s landed in the bottom twice already and this song just didn’t cut it.
Lee - I like what Keith said about nerves and it affecting your pitch because he’s absolutely right. I know from personal experience so I felt for Lee with that and knew that was probably affecting him badly, but that also just shows his inexperience and that he isn’t ready quite yet. I do think he’s got a gorgeous tone to his voice. His problem was he was just too young, too inexperienced, too green, didn’t really know himself as an artist just yet. He’s always sounded pretty good but never emotionally connected to anything he sang. His nerves were really audible in this performance, it was very shaky and he was deservedly cut.
Sonika - Out of the 3 the judges made the right choice in saving Sonika IMO. Vocally she gave the best performance of the 3. But I think this lacked the emotion and passion she really needed. She is running out of time to connect with viewers. I think she’s a goner for next week. Very pretty voice, but not much else. I think Bring Me To Life was a fluke.
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Nick Fradiani - I agree with others about not liking this song. It’s outright terrible and a complete mess, even more so live. It sounds nothing like him at all, way too Maroon 5/Adam Levine wannabe. Hate the falsetto and I think Nick does too. To be honest I like Nick mainly because he’s from my state so it’s cool and exciting to see someone from my area make it big like this, especially on Idol when a northerner rarely gets that far. Musically, outside of a couple songs he’s done, he’s just not my cup of tea and I think he’s too generic/bland, but he’s so darn likable and nice. So I wish him well. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. But yeah this song is terrible and his live performance was even worse. I’m scared for whoever wins now. And they probably all are too after hearing that. Yikes.
WTF was JLo wearing (or not wearing, as the case may be)? I couldn’t tell if it was a negligee or a bathing suit. Terrible terrible styling. Her boobs looked like they were gonna fall out at any second and I was praying she didn’t bounce around too much during any performances or else we’d have had a Janet Jackson moment. She didn’t even look comfortable in that. Oy.
By the way, the way they reveal the results is not indicative of number of votes. Results are always announced in no particular order unless Ryan specifically states they aren’t (which barely ever happens I think). Dalton was not in the bottom 4. If anything, he probably received the most votes after fans got scared for him last week. They know he’s a fan favorite and they want to keep people watching, so they saved him for the end to amp up drama. No way he was towards the bottom in voting, no matter how he performed.
Prediction for elimination:
From now on it’s only going to be one contestant eliminated each week. They’ll most likely do a B2 now instead of B3. I predict the B2 will be Sonika and Tristan, with Sonika going home. One of the contestants (might have been Tristan) revealed there won’t be any more judges’ save (no word on if the Twitter save is coming back though).
You can bet if Tristan is in danger that they’ll decide to bring the Twitter save back lol But regardless I think maybe because Sonika is falling so hard Tristan has another week before she’s gone. Sonika is just not doing what she needs to do IMO in order to make it any farther. She is not connecting with voters and Tristan is not much farther behind, no matter how hard Scott is trying to push her.
I can live with a top 5 of Dalton, Mac, Trent, LP, and Tristan, even though vocally I’d prefer Sonika. A final 4 of Dalton, Mac, Trent, and LP would be fine for me.
ETA: Now that we are getting down to the wire I only threw votes to Dalton (of course) and Trent (because I'm not sure if he has a fanbase or not). Even though normally I would have also voted for Mac, LP, and Sonika, I can't risk Dalton ending up in the bottom. And I really like Trent and don't want him to leave and I'm unsure if he really has fans or not, so voted for him too. But I'm not voting for anyone else at this point.
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But I'm pretty sure in a Periscope she said it's her real hair? I don't care if she wears a wig or not, but I just find it strange why she'd say it's her real hair if it isn't?
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How about comparing them to Phillip Phillips who won the same year as Cass (2012) and a year before Danielle. He was on Idol before it spiraled out of control in Season 12 and became second fiddle to The Voice. His debut album sold 169K its opening week and a total 1.033 in the its first year.
To be fair looking at Wikipedia season 11 of Idol generally had many more viewers on average (15 million +) than seasons 3 and 4 of The Voice (averaging around 10-ish million or less). So that helps. Also Phillip had a really successful single with Home and Gone Gone Gone did really well as a follow up. Cass scored a platinum hit with Wasting All These Tears and Danielle's Heart of Dixie did ok, but neither had huge first singles to help their sales like P2 did. Also they're on completely different record labels and different management teams, which can greatly affect how heavily promoted and marketed they are. I'm not even really a Voice fan and greatly prefer Idol, I'm just trying to be fair and objective about it. I still don't think this comparison is fair at all.
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I really loved how he went for the scream at the end and he actually nailed it, despite still being sick (no Danny Gokey Scream On level tragedy there lol). It was definitely better than Radioactive and he seemed much more into it. But I think at this point he needs to show a softer side and go for a ballad. The emo rock stuff is great but he can't get by just on that. It's time for him to be vulnerable and he hinted on a FB chat today he might be doing just that next week, saying his song is "a tearjerker" and "emotional." OMG I HOPE HE'S DOING STOP I WILL DIE IF HE'S DOING STOP But I imagine he isn't, unless the theme is really really broad. But I really hope he is finally doing a ballad or something acoustic.
The judges' comments about the duet were plain stupid. THEY DID NOT PICK THE SONG NOR PROBABLY ARRANGED IT YOU IDIOTS. Ugh. Dalton looked really sad and scared when they said that. That look he gave Mac when Harry asked what the lyrics meant was hilarious. Thank God they loved Dalton's solo at least. I cracked up when Keith compared him to a waffle iron. Best comment of the night lol.
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In this industry though 100k+ is probably considered good by today's standards. I mean, unless you are named Taylor or Adele, you're not going to be selling millions anymore. By comparison to the rest of the Voice alum, Cassadee and Danielle are considered to have good sales. Kris and Lee released albums before 2010. Not really a fair comparison to Cass and Danielle, who both released in 2013. Comparable sales would be like Candice and Caleb who both did poorly in sales, with Caleb only selling 11,000.
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Avalon's face was super twitchy in that video, especially the last half. Poor girl. I wonder if it's just a nerves thing or a tired thing.
I assumed it was a facial tic. Or maybe she is allergic to the makeup she's wearing? I've never noticed if she does it when she doesn't have the makeup on.
Ha! That is awesome, Bogo!
I do not tweet. Could you share what he said?
Ha! (I mean, who can tell with guys?)
Bluwater--I think it's this: https://twitter.com/DaltonRapattoni/status/707433444905717761
Yes what rereader posted is what he wrote. The typo just makes it even funnier. SO. SASSY. I love it.
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Exactly. This is a year where you pretty much HAVE to go research these people because we are getting zilch otherwise. Watching IM5 Ustreams (which are both fun and annoying at the same time. LOL) gives me a good idea of Dalton's personality. Granted, he was a teen, so he is a bit different nowadays, but still, it's a neat window.
I really miss the days when we got stupid Coke and Ford commercials and ridiculous group numbers. They had charm and warmth to them sometimes. I like seeing the contestants' goofy sides.
I always enjoyed the bit when the contestants would imitate each other.
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Guys... Dalton not only followed me on Twitter last night but he sassed me as well (the tweet about muting people) I had the honor of being sassed personally by Salty Dalty LOL It was amazing. I love him so much.
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Seriously. I genuinely love Dalton but that's mostly because of outside research I've done. If I had to go by only what I've seen of him on the show I doubt I'd love him as much as I do.
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I liked the medley of judges' songs and thought it was classier than Mackenzie's Voice intro, that talked about his near-fatal virus. But the sob stories aren't my thing.
Oh I liked what Mac did too, I thought it was well done (could have easily been a train wreck joke audition) and very cute, but no matter what I just can't stand it when contestants on shows like this perform songs by the judges or coaches. It seems like sucking up IMO. But Mac did very well with it so I forgive him. LOL
My issue with that particular song is that Vince Gill wrote it for Keith Whitley's funeral, and it feels inappropriate to me to hear it in any other context.
I had no idea. I guess that makes sense? But I don't think the average viewer knows that.
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Plus, we've seen contestants change songs on previous seasons. Scotty's Movie Songs week during his season comes to mind; he was supposed to do Everybody's Talking but felt uncomfortable with the song and did a George Strait song from Pure Country instead.
La'Porsha said in a recent interview that sometimes their song could change as late as even 2 days before.
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I too had no clue that was a Christian song. It's not as obvious as some other songs past contestants have done like You Raise Me Up or Take Me To the King. Tristan was criticized all season for singing songs she didn't connect with, this was the first time probably since her audition she really connected and have a strong performance. If that means she needs to sing a Christian song every week, then that's what she should stick with. At the end of the day it's about the artist connecting and giving a great performance. Who cares what kind of song it is?
Literally anything any of the contestants are doing can be considered "pandering." Let's talk about MacKenzie using all judges' songs for his audition (to me when they sing songs by the judges that is the absolute worst) or singing an original song that dared tug at viewer's heartstrings, lets criticize Dalton for trying to be entertaining 'cause that's pandering too, let's get on La'Porsha for filling her songs with too many runs because that's pandering. I mean, they technically all do things to "pander" to the audience to get votes. To single out one specific type of song just seems like a really silly and vapid argument to me.
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Because it's pandering. "Look at me, I'm a Christian, you must vote for me."
I've literally never felt that towards any contestant who chose to sing a religious themed song. I don't see how it's any different than, say, Thomas going "My girlfriend dumped me" so all the girls vote for him or "I'm sick" or "My grandfather broke his back," etc. If their faith is a part of their life and part of who they are, they have the right to sing about it without being accused of doing it for votes. Again, it just appears like religion shaming to me and for no other reason. IMO.
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Yes he is singing Eleanor Rigby. I'm a bit nervous he'll get comparisons to David Cook since that was one of his most iconic performances but I'm interested to see what Dalton does with it.
He confirmed in an interview that he went in with a different song choice last week, saying it didn't go anywhere vocally (Fast Car is definitely not a vocally challenging song), a producer suggested Radioactive, D had a different arrangement planned out, but something didn't work out and it was too late to choose anything else so they went with the original arrangement. You can hear him discuss it here
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I've never understood why only contestants who sing Christian songs get this type of criticism. It is no different than singing a love song, a breakup song, a song about family, or anything else. It is a theme in music and life just as anything else is. As long as they believe what they're singing, why does it matter that they want to sing a Christian or faith filled song? Seems like religion shaming to me since this is the only type of song I ever see contestants criticized for singing.
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That is true, Justin and Tamyra were the frontrunners at first, but once Kelly did "Stuff Like That There", she, IMO, won the show. It showed versatility...she could sing ANYthing. I like Kelly, but unfortunately, Randy and Simon decided to put her on a pedestal and throw Justin under the bus from then on. She definitely wasn't TCO from the get-go....Simon couldn't seem to remember her at first.
I just get very nervous because I really believe that it's easy for the judges (and voters) to turn on the frontrunners, especially if they do something out of left field or take a huge chance. Since the beginning, Simon (and many of the judges) talked out of both sides of his mouth regarding quite a few people. It's frustrating. Stay in your lane, but show versatility. Sit at the piano and play quietly, but show us how much energy you have. I mean...seriously. LOL
Most of us in Dalton's thread are big fans of his. We've listened to his music outside of Idol, so obviously, we like him regardless of what he sings on AI, but most people watching the show are only seeing what he is singing weekly. Just want good representation for him and I think him singing something acoustic soon will help people hear how amazingly he can interpret a song.
I know, I'm scared that if he starts advancing too far (aka being a threat to Tristan) that they'll start throwing him under the bus. :( And yeah the constant contradictions with the judges has always irked me. I think it just comes down to who they like. One contestant can do the same thing every single week and always get praised for "knowing who they are" and "being an artist," yet another that they don't like will get panned for it (especially if they're female). I think Dalton just needs to stay in his lane of reworking unexpected songs and doing what works for him and his style. The Radioactive performance didn't work well for him, it felt like he was fighting against it (maybe partially due to being sick) and the band was drowning him out. It worked against him, whereas his voice shines the best on acoustic stuff. Speaking of which, you guys NEED to check out this demo recording of one of his originals called Mr. Grey if you haven't already: http://hope-per-dalton.tumblr.com/post/120552908377Stellar, absolutely stunning. This boy is such a WRITER. UGH they need to have an original songs theme. I think Dalton could really blow everyone away with any of his songs. He's just that goddamn good.
From Daltons tweets as of late, it appears he MIGHT be singing "That's Life"...
I thought this too but I'm not sure how well it fits into this week's theme which is "The American Idol Songbook" (aka the most performed songs on Idol). To my knowledge That's Life was only performed once ever, by Lee DeWyze in season 9 on Frank Sinatra Night.
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I knew 19E would not give Ameriker actual control.
We saw Tristan was allowed to change her song choice. Is anyone aware of a Top 20 contestant this year not being allowed the same privilege? I'd sure make that bet, but I have no proof. Or, was this deal with Tristan just an elaborate and more "gentle" version of that very thing?
I'm not sure I would say Tristan was "allowed" to change it, more so that she was told to. Olivia said post-elimination that she planned to sing Killing Me Softly this week and the producers told her to do something upbeat. Ironically she got panned by Harry for not being vulnerable enough. It's also suspected that Dalton was pushed into singing Radioactive and it's a possibility his original song was going to be Fast Car by Tracy Chapman. Wouldn't be surprised if producers have him the same advice as Olivia.
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Simon, Paula, Randy, Keith, JLo, Harry and The Rest: The Fox Era Judges
in American Idol
Honestly they should really be prepared at this point for him to ask about lyrics. He does it practically every damn time.