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Stevie Nicks is an absolute queen.

Fleetwood Mac is AMAZING and yes, there is not a single successful musician who wouldn't agree with that statement. Don't even get me started on people who criticize popular music. Also, there is a real problem with people not liking certain music on the principle that "teenage girls like it so it can't be good or cool." It was the case with The Beatles, and you can't argue they are not good or cool. It's been the case with many bands/artists/books/films/TV shows since then and I hate it. In the words of Harry Styles, “How can you say young girls don't get it? They're our future. Our future doctors, lawyers, mothers, presidents, they kind of keep the world going.” Anyway that's another problem, and my feminist hill to die on. Point is Fleetwood Mac Rocks!

Best part of the revival. Hell, best part of my year!

I think what surprised me the most about the whole birthday party thing is that the sleepover was not planned. Every kid at that party (including April) was dropped off by their parents who knew a man was organizing/hosting the party. So when the girls called their parents to ask if they could sleep over, the parents knew it was at Luke's. Either they were fine with an adult man sleep in the same room as a bunch of 13yo girls or they expected him to be in a separate room or they were made aware by their kids that April's father's fiancee (ie. Lorelai) would be with them. Anna's mainly mad at the Lorelai sleeping in the room with the girls: ANNA: April said you spent the night downstairs. LUKE: Yeah well, I spent the night in the storage room. I though it would be a little weird… ANNA: So when you were in the storage room, your girlfriend was upstairs with the girls. LUKE: Well yeah. ANNA: How am I supposed to explain that to the other girls' parents? How am I supposed to tell them that I left their kids all alone with a woman I've never even met? Who does that! So in the first scenario I listed, if the parents were fine with a grown man they have barely met sleep next to little girls, they would probably fine with his female fiancee doing the same. In the second scenario, if they expected Luke to sleep in a separate room and the girls alone, they would probably be fine with a female adult watching over their children. And in the third scenario, if the girls had told their parents that Lorelai would be there, the parents would have agreed to it and wouldn't object after the fact.

Well, they tell Madeline and Louise that they arrived at 2am, so if you subtract 17 hours that means they would have left at 9am, or 12pm if you believe Paris when she says she shaved 3 hours off. So it does make sense they would leave early and arrive that night/next morning.

I think the worst was saying that they didn't want to go OUT for dinner because they would have to have a 2 minute conversation with the other guests and they would ask if she had a boyfriend and how school went and about Lorelai's job.... What about sprinting out and if you're caught you say you have a reservation you can't miss. Or simply answer those questions with "no I don't have a boyfriend, school is good, and I work in the hotel industry". I don't get why they think that their lives are so interesting to strangers that they would spend an hour asking questions. And even if they did spend an hour asking questions, at least you get to leave and have a meal at the end of it, not some disgusting purse stuff and awful singing.

You're right, that makes sense. Yeah the article was about 2019 tuition and it was about $47.5k tuition, and with room and board just shy of $70k. I went to a private college in Boston (2016) and it was about those prices. I don't think it gets much more expensive if it's Ivy League, I think it's more state vs private.

I was reading an article about Harvard tuition and in the 80s, it was about 10k, and it is now almost 50k (not including room and board). From what I read, private school was about the same price, with an increase from kindergarten to middle school to high school. So yeah 25k would make sense. Basically, Richard gave 75k to Lorelai, Rory and she talked about all the things they would do with the money like buying a boat, "no more picking loose change up from the ground," "no more driving around looking for cheap gas" and the best of the best, "we've got the rest of Grandpa's money, that's plenty to buy the Dragonfly Inn." In what world would 75k be enough for 3 years of private school plus buying a frickin' inn in Connecticut and be "plenty"?

But was she really a failure though? I mean in the real world, yes. But in GG? I don't think so. She was portrayed as smart, pretty, witty, popular, lovable, etc. She was loved by a whole town, had 3 serious boyfriends before finishing college, was valedictorian in high school, got accepted into the best US universities, graduated from Yale, was the editor of an Ivy League newspaper, participate in panels and school and town activities, (almost) always had good grades, (supposed) to have grown up poor and overcome her challenges(.... sure....), graduated college on time even though she missed a semester, got a job right out of college following an electoral campaign, etc. Obviously, there are a lot of things that happen between these events and she displays personality traits that leave me to believe this girl would not have succeeded half as much in the real world, as she did in the show. But even then, ASP made sure that everything Rory attempted/wanted, she succeeded at, even when it fell on her lap. [I'm not including the revival here...]

Right you are. However, as much as $50k seems too high for 2003 (although it is appropriate for 2020...) $5k seems too low. Private schools have more or less the same tuition as private colleges. So maybe $25,000 and she met "Wow, that is a lot of zeros behind that five" behind that 2.

If only good sense was a theme of the show...

I like the idea, but I can't really see it, it feels too dramatic for ASP and Gilmore Girls. The tone of the show is much lighter, and although I definitely think that Rory is capable of it, ASP has too high an opinion of Rory to make her a bad mom. Plus, they couldn't do a show without Rory, and watching Rory being praised left and right at her book tour would be boring. She gets enough praise for not doing anything praise-worthy from her family.

Not to mention the fact that even though 75k was a large sum of money, it wouldn't cover 3 years of Chilton, and much less have anything left over. We can guess Chilton was about $50,000 based on the first episode "Wow, that is a lot of zeros behind that five." I'm guessing it wasn't $5,000 or she wouldn't be shocked and need a loan.

I'm not one to defend ASP and her choices, but lilies are extremely fragrant if you don't take out the stamen. Usually when you buy a bouquet of lilies, the florist will remove the stamen of the ones that are open, and you have to remove the others as they open. Lilies are very fragrant. In my family, lilies and peonies are amongst out top 5 flowers so we always have them at home when they are in season, and lilies can take over the whole house with their smell. Peonies do smell, but it is much softer and pleasant than lilies. I wouldn't leave a bouquet of lilies on the table when eating dinner, but peonies you can. They are often used at weddings.

Honestly, I think everyone hopes the kid will be Logan's and he will take care of it, but in my mind they totally set up Logan to become Christopher and Jess to become Luke. Rory raises the kid on her own because Logan is still abroad most of the time. Maybe he stays with Odette*, maybe he doesn't. But Jess shows up, and little by little, he becomes a father figure to the kid. I actually like Logan before the revival so this is not coming from a hatred for him. I just think that if they were to do a new season, they would kind of "reboot" the story with Rory, but with early childhood, basically all we missed for Rory. *worst French name btw, and I should know, I'm French. Literally never met an Odette. And if I did, she would be over 90yo.

Hate Dean. I'm not going into it but he was emotionally abusive and manipulative. I've talked about it in detail in other posts. For Jess, I agree with @peacheslatour. He was a bit of a jerk at first but he gets better. We need to remember he was 17 years old. We look at it with our 20-30-40yo eyes (not gonna guess your ages!). He grew up without knowing who his father was, and his mother basically gave up on him very early on, brought different men home all the time, etc. Who knows what he went through during those first 17 years of his life. After a year with a semi stable environment with Luke, you can already see positive changes. And I don't think he was a bad boyfriend to Rory. It was all good until ASP decides to try and give Jess his own show, set up Jess to almost sexually assault Rory, leave town like a thief in the night, and did that ridiculous backdoor pilot in LA for his spinoff. What a waste. The only good thing about the revival, apart from that delightfully absurd musical, was seeing Jess become the good guy I always knew he would have been had he stuck around.

Same. I have been saying this for too long. Lorelai is not to blame for the situation at all. There came a time when she had to say "I'm done" and because she loved Luke so much, she knew she had to do something drastic to make sure he wouldn't come back to her, like after their E&R wedding fight. I actually think that when she explains to Sookie, she makes more sense than she ever did in that show:

I mean, not being an US citizen, I don't know what severance packages entails, but they weren't broke. I'm guessing this severance pay would be less than normal 100% salary. For Sookie: Jackson has his own business, but it doesn't seem like he makes that much profits since he was all worried when he had to fix his truck, and when Sookie got pregnant the first time ("Oh, boy!). And Sookie isn't Gordon Ramsay with restaurants at her name and TV shows. She was a simple chef at an inn in a small town in Connecticut. She may have been great (if we believe the show) but she still was just a chef at an inn in a small town in Connecticut. So her salary must nor have been amazing either. And they had a kid, which is a big hole in the budget. And Jackson lost a big account when the inn closed. For Lorelai: again, Lorelai is in the same situation. She was just the manager of a small town inn. And she was a single mother who worked since she was 18 being a maid and climbing the ranks of said inn. She didn't have 10-15 years as a manager to put aside a large sum of money. And we add to that the fact that she was a mom who had to feed, clothe, and raise a child on her own, and supposedly pay a mortgage on her house, that she got only a few years before the show started. All this to say that even with severance package, they were all making less money than they used to. Add to that the fact that Lorelai had to pay for Yale at the last second (expensive!) and they wanted to open their own inn, they needed to save some money, not spend it. I guess Sookie and Jackson did have a sum saved up for the inn because the only reason they (temporarily) couldn't buy the Dragonfly was that Lorelai had to pay for Yale and couldn't do both.

Honestly, Lorelai pretends to be an eccentric, but she makes very safe and traditional decisions in her life. I doubt she would have worn something non-white. When she had the discussion with Sookie, the BFOTB, and Luke who wasn't included in the wedding preparations (!), she said she didn't know if she would wear white. For her, that means wearing off-white or blush.

Okay, so about the penis cookies... We have all had cookies that ended up melting or expanding, but every time, the cookie ends up a misshapen heap of dough. For the naughty cookies to be overly naughty, they would have to "grow" in certain areas, but not in others. If they did expand, they would expand everywhere, and they they would be big penis cookies, but they would still have a normal shape/anatomy, and therefore, why wouldn't they be in the bags? Even misshapen, why wouldn't they be in the bag? They wanted penis cookies for their princess bags, what did they think was gonna happen?

Don't talk to me about that scene. I HATED that Dean did a whole "here's how to deal with the Gilmore Girls" lesson, and I hated that Max needed it. Some of those lessons where downright condescending, like talking about them being cranky, and their bits.... -Their eating habits are just the start of what you're gonna have to get used to. There's tons of stuff you should be aware of." - "If you ever think that they're doing something crazy, they're not. You see, after a while, their thinking becomes clear, but by the time it's clear, they've already done two other totally crazy things that you can't figure out. So there's no catching up." - "And never get into a heavy discussion late at night 'cause that's when they're at their crankiest."

Wardrobe department not coming through for her here. The same dress could have had a better fit. Or hey, ever heard of Spanx? Even skinny celebrities wear them to avoid the muffin top where it does not exist!

Yes. I just looked up a picture now to refresh my memoty. The top is a bit much with all the flowers. I thought the skirt was a nice full skirt with tulle, but looking at it now, I don't much like how it goes from fitted to wide with those "inverted Vs" of tulle (if that makes sense)... And it had no train, not even a slight length in the back. I had never had a good look at the dress before finding this picture. I just think it's overall wrong. The top is over the top, the skirt is not underwhelming, the veil is not long enough I think the worst thing, is that if didn't suit her. Lauren Graham is/was beautiful, with a great body. Not much fat there... and yet, that top with the satin belt created a roll of fat on her stomach.

Are you talking about leggings as pants? I never understood that trend. Some people still do it, although now more people wear yoga pants. Still tight but I believe (don't own a pari myself) that the fabric is much thicker. Remember when people wore low-rise jeans with a visible thong? Or jeans over a dress/tunic and tank tops over a shirt? Chunky belts and jewelry? Capris? Tracksuits? Multi-tiered miniskirts? Cropped Cardigans? Stuffed jeans in high boots? SO MANY LAYERS BACK THEN!

Let's not forget about fashion in the 2000s. Just watching celebrity red carpets from back then, you can see that fashion has changed a lot. I personally was in my teens back then (a bit younger than Rory) so I can relate to that type of clothing. I agree that seeing it now, it does all seem unattractive, but I'm pretty sure that Lorelai's pants were the height of "normal people" fashion back then. Even the dresses and everything; I would be lying if I said that I didn't have clothes resembling those worn on the show, or thought some of those outfits were great. Looking now, I find most of it unflattering, pretty much like when I look at photos of me then.