SilverPoet01

Yeah, this. This is what I don't get. Frankly, even if I personally don't think that Yo's health problems stem from lyme only, or even if she was legit ill and then played it up - what's the BFD? She addressed something that LVP said that Erika repeated. Sure, she led the girls to believe that Rinna said it, but it's old news at this point. If Rinna is so chafed that Yo isn't filming with the other ladies (which seems like the real issue in a roundabout way), the quickest way for Yo to be off the show is not to get air time. If she doesn't attend their events - poof, no air time. The whole 'is it or isn't it lymes' BS has GIVEN Yolanda the air time she wouldn't have had otherwise. She's the topic of conversation even when not present - talk about a gift to her ego! She's obviously earned her check for the drama, so now, let's move it along? If you don't talk about her any longer then it would be a non-issue. Rinna continuing to bring it up is having the opposite effect that I believe she thinks it has. Btw, I also noticed that LVP was certainly interjecting on Rinna's conversation 'you thought this...' and leading her around as well - just as previously pointed out she tends to do.

Status, really. Isn't that why this mess is watched? All that BH nonsense? Or maybe he just likes to buy the jewelry as gifts and she has an 'allowance' of sorts for other things up to a certain limit. Who knows. Did it show her name on that card? Lol.

Tom is clearly the breadwinner in that relationship and again, the way that seems to work between them has already been heavily established - she 'asked permission' about redoing her gardens in the front of her home in an earlier episode, and clearly he holds the pursestrings on her Erika Jayne business ('...the Boss is calling). Sure, there's an interesting dynamic of what's 'an independent woman' that's clearly up for discussion, but realistically, it seems based on her wardrobe and jewelry that all she has to do is ask. I don't see an issue with this. He makes all the money (it appears), so, does that mean she gets a blank check just because they're married? I'm so over Rinna. Sure, it's shady as hell that Yo ditched Erika's party - but I agree with LVP on this one - that's between Erika and Yo. Btw, notice how in the TH LVP is driving the bus over Rinna now. lol. I also don't think Eileen is the wicked witch of the west for opting out of LVP's march. In BH there's probably a metric ton of events that all the women can choose or not choose to participate in. While it's a great cause, the world doesn't revolve around LVP, and it doesn't make Eileen a dog killer for enjoying a day off. That said, she's certainly got to be a production favorite as she stirs and stirs and stirs.

I didn't get a hurt or embarrassed vibe, personally. I did get a 'put in her place' vibe, but again, I don't feel that I need to personally judge their relationship dynamic. Was Erika talking over Tom many times during those dinners and we didn't see all of that? I could see that happening. Maybe it's his pet peeve? The editing monkeys took those moments and are making something out it, I don't blame show for that, but that's really all it seems like to me. Their power dynamic seems that he is the drivers seat then they are together etc. She says as much with the 'I was a lawyers wife for x years' in many of her interviews. I think I said it upthread, she knows the score, she calls Tom 'Boss'. Plus, we're missing a whole chunk of the conversations, AND she doesn't have to accept that treatment if she doesn't choose to. The thing is, I think she chooses to because it's gotten her a lot in life. I think every relationship has a power divide, but some more than others. At the end of the day she has a very provocative alter ego that he seems incredibly supportive of. That's what speaks moreso to me in how he regards her, the action of being proud of her project. He also seems very protective. You could argue that neither Erika nor Kathryn gave the 'whole story' then, I suppose. But none of that accounts for the 'she cried like 6 tears' comment, which was unnecessary and pretty rude, as I felt that was probably some of the first real Erika emotion we've seen on screen. I judge Kathryn's character more on that comment than the running to tattle to be honest, but I digress. I think it's savvy to wait until the TH's to give your opinion, actually. More events will have played out in order for you to come up with those quips that make tv. No doubt, they all know they're making TV. The thing is, I'd be super suspicious of the alter ego dancer thing but she's been doing it on some level since '07...I think Erika has said as much for her motivations by saying that she's put Erika Jayne in living rooms. What's Kathryn's motivation?

I agree with this. I think there's a lot more to her than meets the eye, and a lot she doesn't say. Still wasn't bothered at Tom's behavior at the dinner party. I think Erika is ultra-serious about these women because there's a lot brewing that we, as viewers, are not privy to. This is reality TV after all, not reality. The Tom shushing thing wasn't even bothersome - he tried to give input and kept getting cut off by all the other women. I think if they would've listened to his input they may have even had great insight into all the BS they kept circling around. Still, if these ladies can't get the difference between Erika letting Yolanda know what was said in a huge group with most present having an open discussion (and LVP was quoting Yo's ex-husband, btw so that's something that's even more personal) - and Kathryn running back to the group after a one-on-one and regurgitating a comment in a negative way, I got nothing. They're two totally different things. Was what Erika said about LVP nice? No. But I'm sure that if Kathryn had presented it differently it could've been a whole different convo. Kathryn is super thirsty and it shows, IMO, she wants to secure a spot for the long haul and saw a target to create some drama she knew would play well on TV.

I haven't seen the entire episode - only caught the dinner party at the beginning. The women seemed like they were catty and horrible, and this was a dinner party that Erika stated was to meet her husband, Tom. I'm sure he expected it would be about him, somewhat, and not about their issues. He definitely has an ego about him. Katheryn was a mess, loud, rude and disrespectful, IMO. I see a trend here. I didn't see a big issue with Tom's 'shushing' either...I'm guessing a lot was edited out and I noted multiple times he tried to speak and was cut off by the other women and let them keep speaking and digging themselves into holes - and I'm supposing there's a lot we didn't see, this was just the edited version of that mess. I'm guessing he shushed the one that he knew he could - Erika, when he finally wanted to say his piece. Didn't get to see the follow up yet where Erika states that Tom was mad at her, but it would be obvious why - I mean, clearly this whole thing is a catty shit show and why would he think any differently? I have to wonder what his exposure was to the show prior to Erika signing on. I'm curious as to why Erika clings to knowing Yolanda so long as well, but I think it's probably more than meets the eye. Again, Bravo picks and chooses what we see. I wouldn't doubt that she may have met Yo once 9 years ago. I also wouldn't doubt that Bravo has had so many women fail that have been shuffled in with no connections to the rest of the cast that perhaps they have her under contract to play this story on some level? Think about that one for a moment - if Bravo scripted the idea that Yolanda has a close friend now on the show and signed her under contract to play that out, then it would make total sense that someone like LVP would be in the know and try to stir the pot by making it a plot line. Btw, even though I think Yolanda is probably partially full of BS (you can't fake the exploded implants after all, but the rest seems contrived and fishy), it's also entirely possible that in the time for setting up the show that Erika and Yolanda did become real friends, which is why someone like LVP and others trying to downplay that makes Erika touchy about it.

Something about my post I need to clarify? Hey, opinion may not be popular, but, that's how I feel about it. I have no love for Vanderpump. Sure it's all a show, show, but I agree that she comes from the side and not from the front.

Love this bitch. She calls her Husband 'The Boss' - she totally knows the score. That said, I don't sense cheater in her - that isn't what she's about. It seems like their relationship is built 100% on understanding and respect. They wouldn't be married that many years or look at each other that way if not. She knows she has it good and he wears the pants and always will. I think it's interesting that the Bravo story editors are letting so many of LVP's breadcrumbs out - we've known that she's driving the stories for a long time, but either she's gotten lazy or all the women have grown tired of it. I think it's almost clear that Erika has been called in to 'out' her on being the mastermind for a lot of the drama. Btw, Erika calling Kathryn those choice words made my week. lol.

I love Erika more and more each week. She truly seems like she has a solid relationship with her husband and a solid grasp on who she is and isn't. It's easy to see the narrative that is 'off camera' - LVP asking and having Kathryn ask - how long Erika has known Yolanda is just a way to try to, on camera, discredit her friendship and make her support seem like it's just all about how she got on the show and that it's somehow not genuine in some way. Now, who knows if it really is genuine or not, but it seems the girl doesn't need to lie about her 'in' to the show, I'm betting 100% she didn't know Yo more than in passing before she was asked to come on, but trying to use the short time frame in which they are friends to discredit her is what bothers her. Additional - LVP totally brought Yo's kids into the discussion and I don't get how she can keep saying she didn't? Like WHAT? Kyle point blank asked her what Mo said, and KVP says, ON CAMERA, that Mo says they don't have da lymes. LVP could've just as easily stated that it was a private family matter and she didn't want to be in the middle of it - that's what a classy person would do. My issue with Vanderpump is that she isn't owning what she did. If she's the real Queen like she acts, she should just out and out say, hey, I got conflicting info on your kids - maybe you should talk to your ex-husband? I mean, what does Mo think of all this? They keep highlighting how they're best friends, but does he know until after this all aired what she actually did and how that probably messed up his family IRL? Can you imagine those kids? Sickness real or imagined, that's not a cool thing to do to them. I'm sure if Yo is full of BS the last thing they want to do is call out their own Mom. The funny thing is, to me, that the show editors are finally leaving out all the breadcrumbs in LVP's game. I admire how she's played but it looks like show is over it. Even her aggressive 'I need us to be really f'ing good' to Eileen was really strange and harsh I thought. I do think Eileen is dragging along the storyline (and needs to move her butt along), but...I mean...WTF. Kathryn showed her true colors 100%. I love that the editors left in all the bits of Erika's accusations that the questioning seemed eerily similar. Again, I think it shows editors are done with LVP calling the shots. Last bit, I'm not bothered by Erika being put off by Kathryn spilling the tea. Sure, it's a show, and they all know this, and cameras were present when she said those things etc., but I think it was meant to be in confidence until the reunion or similar when Erika could then have a moment with LVP and call her out in a totally different venue. The idea on her part, surely, was not that Kathryn would tattle back - but note, I don't think Erika was surprised. Her vitriol towards Kathryn is moreso, I'm convinced, due to her confirmation that again, LVP is involved in some sort of meddling. Oh, and Kyle and Kim, if they really want to fix their relationship, need to keep it off camera. It's clear that all season Kyle has been very careful to control what she says and doesn't say and what conversation she is and isn't involved with in regards to Kim. I think they're both royally messed up in the head, but that has redeemed her in some part to me. However, having this on camera convo kind of ruined it again. Stay off camera you two if you seriously want to mend anything.