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On 12/7/2017 at 10:32 AM, sigmaforce86 said:
New episode Dec 15th at 10pm. Not a lot of description on the Disco site but other news outlets saying it's a Christmas special that'll include an update on Ami. We'll see if that's true or if it's 40 min of flashbacks to the bush and 5 min of updates in California or Colorado or wherever they are now.
My guess would be door #1--40 minutes of flashbacks and filler, 15+ minutes of ads and maybe 5 or less of new footage.
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18 hours ago, holly4755 said:
Everybody is not a size 2 - I do have to point out that I have a young niece who wanted to wear some of my vintage clothes but she is a size 0 some number I never was near. but she tried on a size 10 dress I had and it fit her perfectly. methinks sizes have grown over 40 years or so. This could also explain why a size 12 Marilyn Monroe was a size 12 according to her labels and is being displayed on size 6 dress forms.
Vanity sizing has been a round for a few decades, if not longer. A garment may well have been labeled as a 12 in, say, 1955 but the exact same dress may be marked a 4 or 6 now. Nothing's changed other than the label with the theory that by flattering the customer into believing that they're a teeny-tiny more sales will happen. And fashion, seriously, is often about flattery and there's nothing really wrong with that so long as it doesn't lead to eating diseases or something. I also know women who cut out tags with size #'s on them they don't want to see.
Standard sizing doesn't exist in the US and, so far as I know nor does it exist anywhere else (please correct me if I"m wrong about this) . Most women have several sizes in their closets, all fitting just fine. I know I range over about 4 sizes, which are all, actually the same size. As silly as it it, you get to know that a size 10 in Ralph Lauren fits just great but in a LLBean or something you know you need an 8 or 12.
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Apologies of this has been addressed but--while I give kudos to TPTB for finally admitting that not everyone on the planet is a size 2 and including real sized (albeit 6 foot tall real people) as models--does anyone know if this season was a one-off or if this will be standard from now on? Assuming that the show will continue, obviously.
As has been mentioned numerous times, the average size for American women is about a 14 so, to me, it simply makes sense to include varied sized models. Competition or not, fashion is a multi-billion dollar business. To only encourage a product which, realistically, excludes a large percentage of the buyers is simply foolish and self-defeating both for the designers, the manufacturers and the retailers.
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1 hour ago, AZChristian said:
A person with integrity - upon finding a forbidden tape measure that had she had accidentally put in her pocket - SHOULD have said something like this to the group: "Yikes, guys. I forgot I had put this tape measure in my pocket. I know it's against the rules to have it. I'm going to put it outside the door to our apartment/hotel room RIGHT NOW, and will call production RIGHT NOW and let them know it's there." (I'm assuming they have a number for production in case someone gets sick or something during the night.)
People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. (Credit: Dr. Phil)
Or, alternately, a person with just a modicum of integrity would have simply and quietly returned it--unused-- the next morning to avoid questions and potential problems. The revolving story about the mystic tape measure just reinforces the lie and the cheat.
My understanding is the the twins seem to think they have a lucrative future on reality shows, this not being their first and possibly not their last. They seem to want to sell the quasi uniqueness of their twinness as a media hook. There was an article a few weeks or a month or so ago where they were interviewed by their hometown paper or some such; they were spinning the 'misunderstanding' BS then as well, trying to paint themselves a sweet young things who just didn't know what could have possibly happened to make them look like lying cheaters, the poor dears.
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While I wouldn't turn down $50-60K, it's not a fortune, assuming that's gross and not net. Even if they pool it together, with Ami's medical expenses and they obviously travel quite a bit more than they admit to....I can (almost) see why grifters would stay with this mess rather than try to get real jobs.
And thanks for the info--I was curious.
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11 hours ago, rmontro said:
it doesn't sound like they could afford that based on what their reported salaries have been
C'mon...spill! What kind of $ are we maybe talking here?
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Would that be Motel Six or Comfort Inn?
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30 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:8 hours ago, notcreative enough said:
I absolutely HATE it when people cry about how this is so important because there life sucks so hard. Sorry Kenya I don't care about your life story. This show is a chance to get name recognition not a golden ticket to be rich and famous. This should enhance their lives not be the chance save them from being broke and homeless.
Kenya turned me off when she turned on the waterworks. Everyone has a dream and has worked hard and has sacrificed to some extent.
I agree but factor in--certainly at this late stage of the competition--that these people are all stressed and sleep deprived, have been tossed through a number of various hoops and separated from friends and family, their support people.
I tend to also be annoyed but cut them some slack...as I roll my eyes.
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Am I the only one who thought that Margarita's dress made her model look like Wilma Flintstone? I...didn't like it it, got tired of her whining and thought that her inclusion in the semi-final five was yet another drama driven choice.
Okay, I wrote the above without reading any other comments and so see I'm not the only one with the same observation--I stand by it, however. Okay, maybe Betty Rubble....
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9 hours ago, LotusFlower said:10 hours ago, cdp73 said:Damn Zack...do you really think it's good to be seen on tape grabbing a model's boob with all the Harvey Weinstein mess going on right now? Just because she was in a tacky bondage dress doesn't mean she's up for grabs (pun intended).
I think this is a really unfair comparison. Zac didn't grab her breast - he was walking around the model and pulling and yanking the dress to examine the construction and design. He's a designer and judge; Harvey was a movie producer, mogul, pig, and sexual predator. Big difference.
Thank you.
I've seen similar comments before and, frankly, find them annoying, insulting to the man and uninformed. Zac is a highly respected designer in his own right and a complete professional who has never been involved in a scandal that I'm aware of and--not to mince words here--a gay man who would have less than no interest in coping a cheap feel on national television unless he has a professional death wish. I also can't believe that he would be stupid enough to do so, even if he were so inclined as he has his own career to be concerned about. In addition--especially in light of the Weinstein situation, PR couldn't tolerate the potential fallout should some kind of sex abuse scandal come to light with one of their name judges. Weinstein's ruined now; he's finished professionally and possibly personally as well. Posen impresses me as someone intelligent enough to maintain his professional detachment, even in the unlikely event that he was tempted.
He's simply doing his job as he checks the clothes, not the models.
Of course, JMO, as they say.
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14 hours ago, AZChristian said:
They don't, however, see any signs of any of them having actual jobs.
AZ, c'mon...they have jobs; they're reality TV stars. AND backwoodsmen.
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I really don't want to sound like a complete wuss here but, due to the usual over it's time slot football game, this weeks episode didn't start until 10:30. I get up at 5:30. I missed it completely. So, well...damn.
Just saying.
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17 hours ago, CookieBud said:Claire absolutely should have been eliminated for cheating. She knew the rules and broke one. Bye!
What bothered me about Margarita was her behavior in the workroom. She complained about Claire stealing her design, went to everyone but Claire to talk about it and let herself get derailed in the process. I'm more of a "if you have something to say about someone, say it to that someone" kind of person. Claire did not end up using that top and yet Margarita was still blaming her for M's own inability to stay on track.
Michael also could have gone to Claire with his accusations of cheating and didn't. What bothered me the most is that when Claire was trying to leave, he grabbed her wrist and Claire literally was trying to dislodge from his grip. That wasn't cool.
The whole mess could have and should have been handled better but the producers wanted drama and they got it. I just want to see good clothes.
With respect, I disagree about this and others here who have complained about the other designers choice to not call out the twins until it had become the proverbial final straw. Evidently several did complain to the producers and were ignored or their complaints were back burnered. Coming down on Michael and Margarita strikes me as a form of blaming the victims. It was they and all the other designers, throughout the entire season so far, who were cheated out of possible rightful wins and higher placings. They had no obligation to confront the twins, went to the authorities to handle things and weren't given they credit they deserved in having their complaints addressed.
JMO, but it seems like blaming the kid who got bullied who then told the teacher, who blames the kid for not being more assertive. The teacher decides to let it ride, leaving the bullies to continue.
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9 hours ago, Lamb18 said:
I watched that Behind the Seams with Shawn and Claire and I call bull on Claire's rationalization that they are using models of all different sizes so how is measuring her own personal garments going to help (if a model is a totally different size)? I'd think it would help with the proportions of the garment. I'm not a designer or sewer, but I'd think you could measure yourself, let's say waist to crotch, then measure waist to crotch on the pants you're wearing, then figure, "Well, if I'm xx inches from waist to crotch and my pants are xx inches waist to crotch, then my model who is xx inches from waist to crotch should have her pants be measured xx from waist to crotch." Or it would help with the sizing of pieces that are attached to each other. I'm curious if those of you who sew think this is valid.
Yup, that's pretty much it, though clearly adjustments would have to be accounted if you're going from, say, size 2 to size 16 or whatever. But , though it wasn't brought up that I saw, in addition to measuring it would obviously have been a very small step to checking out the actual seaming and shaping of the various pattern pieces which made up those pants or top; how the pockets were set in, where the pleats were placed, what ruching was involved. All of those details which, while seemingly minor, can make or break a design.
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1 hour ago, millennium said:
The Shock and Awww site proclaims:
QuoteWatch our Creative Directors, Shawn and Claire Buitendorp, on Project Runway, every Thursday at 9pm on Lifetime
If they're calling themselves 'creative directors' then the odds of them actually sewing their stuff go way down. They're 'directors'; they may not even be doing the actual design, let alone the construction and --it's been said before--there's no way in hell they made those leather jackets. The contestants whose sewing skills don't include zippers making leather garments? Love the S&A garments or hate the things, working with leather calls for a special set of sewing skills and those embellishments were too well done for me to believe for a second that the twins made them. Conceive of them after seeing some similar stuff elsewhere? I'd accept that idea, but come up with those jackets themselves? The peddlers of the hoodies with lettering and pants with crotch sayings? Oh please.
I'm calling BS.
And BTW, there's an article in the PR in the Media thread about Harvey Weinstein's problems possibly affecting PR. I believe it said that he was a major owner of the show and I'm guessing meetings are happening about what's going to happen going forward.
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Posted this evening on MSN: To sum up, Heidi issued a statement to People denouncing Harvey Weinstein who was fired from TWC (The Weinstein Company) which is a co-producer of Project Runway. PR All Stars, with Georgina, is in the can, no air date has been set. Because TWC owns a majority share in PR it's unclear what will happen. And there you have it.
Heidi Klum is supporting the “brave women” who have spoken out against Harvey Weinstein, who is embroiled in an ongoing sexual harassment scandal.
“I wish I could say that the horrible stories I read about Harvey Weinstein are a rare occurrence in our society, but that is simply not the case. We would be naive to think that this behavior only happens in Hollywood,” Klum, 44, tells PEOPLE exclusively. © Provided by TIME Inc.
“This is one example of the more pervasive problem of the mistreatment of women around the world. I think it would be hard to find a woman – myself included – who have not had an experience where they have felt intimidated or threatened by a man using his power, position or his physical stature,” the Project Runway host and judge says.
“I truly admire these brave women who are coming forward to share their stories because change cannot come unless there is a dialogue and people are held accountable,” she concludes.
Klum’s statements come after Weinstein, 65, was stripped of his executive producer credit on the Lifetime reality show competition.
Since Project Runway‘s premiere in 2012, the movie mogul’s former studio, The Weinstein Company, has been co-producing the show along with Bunim-Murray Productions.
A source tells PEOPLE it’s unclear what will happen going forward as TWC owns a majority in Project Runway.
Weinstein’s wife, Marchesa designer Georgina Chapman has often appeared on the show as a guest judge since 2012.
“Production is already completed on the next season of Project Runway All Stars with Georgina,” a rep for the reality Lifetime series confirmed to PEOPLE Thursday. “We have yet to determine an airdate.”
Weinstein has since been fired from TWC and Chapman announced she’s leaving him.
On Sunday, eight women — including actress Ashley Judd — spoke out against Weinstein in a New York Times report, accusing him of sexual harassment and inappropriate behavior. The paper also reported that Weinstein reached private settlements with eight women, including actress Rose McGowan.
On Tuesday, Gwyneth Paltrow, Angelina Jolie and several other women added their own accounts of alleged mistreatment, and more than two dozen women have now come forward.
Also on Tuesday, Chapman revealed in a statement to PEOPLE that she had decided to leave Weinstein in the wake of the allegations: “My heart breaks for all the women who have suffered tremendous pain because of these unforgivable actions. I have chosen to leave my husband. Caring for my young children is my first priority and I ask the media for privacy at this time.”
Following the NYT report about the allegations, Weinstein said in a statement that he was working with therapists and planned to “deal with this issue head-on.”
“Any allegations of non-consensual sex are unequivocally denied by Mr. Weinstein,” a spokesperson for the movie mogul has said.
On Thursday, PEOPLE reported that Weinstein checked into a luxury resort in Arizona after jetting out of Los Angeles on Wednesday. The source said the movie mogul was staying at the five-star hotel (which boasts a spa and golf course) because “he doesn’t want to go a place where he can’t use his cell phone.”
“His team set him up at a secure place to get him the help he needs — he knows and wants help,” said another source close to the situation.
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So I'm thinking that the reunion show (which, I believe, all the contestants are contractually required to attend) will be more interesting than the usual snooze-fest this year. So--the twins will be back, at least for a bit.
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8 hours ago, leighdear said:10 hours ago, Beden said:
All true except for the simple fact that any decent fashion course/school/university/internship would include patterning and advanced patterning as a matter of course. If wherever you studied doesn't have these classes than get your ass to someplace which does or buy a few good patterning books and educate yourself--especially if you opt to apply to a reality show where being able to pattern a garment is clearly a major component, no matter what dress size your model may be. Pretty much every season has a 'real woman' challenge--prepare for it. The time constraints and lack of sleep are part of the equation which they all sold have understood when they signed on.
While I'm sympathetic with the stress and difficulties of what they're all doing, they should have gone in with their eyes open.
No skills-based Reality show EVER has only trained individuals competing. Just as no singing competition has only trained vocalists, no cooking competition has only trained chefs, this show will never have only individuals schooled and trained in fashion design & construction.
My point was that individuals can rarely substitute education and training for just desire and creativity. And sadly, this show will never again be about innovation, style and excellence in fashion.
I wasn't disagreeing with you, just pointing out that if you decide to enter-to-win a reality based competition you should have the background to have some possibility of success. In this case that would include basic (at least) patterning and some serious sewing skills. If--like the twins--you enter just to raise your own profile, maybe score another gig on another show, then deal with the consequences. Of course PR isn't going to give you a lesson in attaching a zipper or whatever--or boiling an egg or anything else; that's on you.
And I agree completely with you saying that basic or even advanced skills don't substitute for creativity and artistry. But if you don't have some grip on the skills it's difficult, if not impossible to produce whatever design you may have in your head. Like or hate what Brandon (for example) is producing, you are left with no question of what he intended.
I'm just saying to come prepared.
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3 hours ago, leighdear said:
Sometimes more time consuming sewing techniques are needed with curvier women. If darts are needed and a "designer" doesn't know how to mathematically calculate how the pattern piece must be measured, cut, then sewn to produce something that will fit a 47" bust, then they end up with a crappy looking top that will never fit. Waistbands that curve to truly fit and pant darts that flatter the rear can be equally complicated. These are tough to pull off with so little time.
Thin women with few curves (i.e, the usual model body) can often have a piece of fabric draped ON them, secured in a few strategic places, then Voila! Fashion on the catwalk. Try that on a size 22 woman and the only place she can go is to a toga party.
I don't think most of them hate having to be creative, it's just VERY difficult with the time constraints.
All true except for the simple fact that any decent fashion course/school/university/internship would include patterning and advanced patterning as a matter of course. If wherever you studied doesn't have these classes than get your ass to someplace which does or buy a few good patterning books and educate yourself--especially if you opt to apply to a reality show where being able to pattern a garment is clearly a major component, no matter what dress size your model may be. Pretty much every season has a 'real woman' challenge--prepare for it. The time constraints and lack of sleep are part of the equation which they all sold have understood when they signed on.
While I'm sympathetic with the stress and difficulties of what they're all doing, they should have gone in with their eyes open.
2 hours ago, carrps said:That's the first thing I said! Wow, Tim has gotten old. You don't notice it as much when you see it gradually.
A long time friend of mine was a childhood friend of Tim before my friend's family moved to where they've lived the last 50 years or so. The 2 families were friends and stayed in touch despite distance. Pat will be 64 in a few weeks; Tim would be about the same age.
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3 hours ago, fountain said:
Some of the other body types are harder to design for so they limit creativity.
With respect, different sizes only limit creativity if the designer's creativity is, in itself, limited. I'll grant that it may be a different technical challenge but if a designer chooses to li mit themselves to only sample sizes and consider a size 12 a plus size--good luck in the real world of the schmatta trade.
QuoteThe twins HAVE heavily references their own and their model's clothing in past challenges MORE THAN ONCE, so this combined with the pant allegations (that Claire was patterning/measuring pants outside of work hours based on what she had in her closet) - I think it's perfectly reasonable to suspect that they are thwarting the rules. Now, I don't understand why these rules aren't clear to everyone.
I have to assume that every contestant signs a pretty inclusive contract which would include--among other things-- the guidelines, expectations, living conditions and causes for dismissal. If that's true, then they've all theoretically read them before they signed on.
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15 hours ago, pinguina said:
And (it definitely does NOT pain me to say) Claire and Sean have clearly copied (the model design challenge - a direct copy of what the model and designer wore the day they met Adidas) or "borrowed" practically since they started on this show. I don't understand why the judges did not see this, nor why Tim didn't say anything (he saw things that judges have plausible deniability about). I think it would be difficult for the other contestants to say anything but someone did say something back in the season with the guy and his pattern book as well as his disappearing.
Thank you. I think that was Michael somebody and a nastier little turd never walked; he also had 'disappeared' during filming, went AWOL, called various friends when phones were forbidden and was just generally a snotty PIA. As I recall one or more of his roommates went to Tim and told him that--yes--he had pattern books hidden under his bed or wherever. When confronted and tossed off the show he was the most put upon, bullied, wronged victim you ever saw. At the end of season reunion he played the same tune, unapologetic, unrepentant and still as nasty and victimized as ever.
The point is that his fellow contestants turned him in, outraged about his not even slightly subtle cheating and flaunting of the rules.
My personal theory is that most people are generally nice, don't want to make waves and wish to just get on with things and hope that the problem people will be fingered by someone else and wrongs will be righted without them getting involved. While there were lots of eye rolls and private complaints about the twins, I suspect that no one wanted to actually wanted to be the finger pointer...until now. Plus this way TPTB get the upped drama factor.
Of course, we don't actually know if it is/was, indeed, one of both of the twins who were busted. They might be a bit of an annoying red herring and the real contestant is someone completely different.
It will be interesting to see what supposedly really happened next week.
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As for using non-model models, do fashion design schools teach nothing about assessing a client's body shape in order to produce a flattering silhouette? Or don't they want their students to face the reality that they are more likely to be designing ready-to-wear for Kohl's than Oscar gowns for Nicole Kidman -- and would be lucky to land the Kohl's job.
QuoteAs for using non-model models, do fashion design schools teach nothing about assessing a client's body shape in order to produce a flattering silhouette?
Probably not, and how many of the contestants went to a reputable school? Designing for body types is a lot lot lot more difficult than watching a few videos. It requires actual experience, and that is something most designers never get. Ask any large woman - such as myself - if anyone is designing for us.
Back in the day I went to a school which taught costume design as a large part of the drama department (which I majored in) and found--45 years ago anyway--that most young students actually do hope/expect to be designing for Broadway and Oscar/Emmy/Tony red carpets right off the bat. I marked it down to being (yes) young, inexperienced and very, very hopeful and enthusiastic. The conventional wisdom was that it took about 5 years of working in the real work to knock some sense and reality into us; personally, I was happy just to have a job. And yes, we did sometimes have to design/build costumes for average or larger people, ones who were more than a size 2 or whatever. I recall one designer pissing and moaning about how 'he didn't do upholstery'. Honest. If an actor was seriously overweight they would be subjected (by some) to eye rolls, attempts at avoidance and treated by others with professionalism and common courtesy. For one show--some long forgotten opera--I had to dress an extremely nice man, one of the leads, who had a withered shoulder and arm; that was a fit challenge and one which might make a good idea for PR one of these days. 'Normal people' include those missing limbs or other physical problems.
I know that theatrical costumes aren't usually fashion; but it's just two sides of a coin. Ego isn't necessarily a bad thing--arrogance gets tired, at least for me, anyway...especially when it's not based on actual ability (I'm looking at you, twins).
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Can we please stop with the peplums? Seriously, why are they a thing? They don't look good on anyone, in any circumstance. Just stop.
Is there any way to start a national petition to ban it? I'm thinking it would get a better turnout than the election.
Peblums aren't fetch and no amount of trying will bring them back.
As to the cheating thing, I got the impression that --however it was discovered, if it was--Clair was using a tape measure to check a pair of pants she owns, secretly, when they weren't supposed to be working--in an effort to recreate the seaming and general construct. I also thought I caught a comment about how she had a pair of pants 'exactly like the ones she made' back at the dorm. Clearly the twins had no problem in copying other designs as shown with Clair making that lumpy sweatshirt with the side zip; a direct steal from a dress she'd worn and her sister stole the model's outfit a week or two ago, though I assume that Claire sewed the thing and knew exactly what she was doing. Everything they've shown has been deeply derivative and unoriginal. The judges, especially Zac, seemed to be cluing in.
If that's all true (and that's an 'if') then they/she was working illegally during down time and copying garments. Also, while we've previously seen people take a measurement off some other garment, it should be assumed that they can use a models written measurements to make a garment fit so the only reason to do what they seemingly allege is to copy seaming and patterning. That would be as illegal as having pattern books hidden under the bed.
But since we were just given cryptic hints and little else, we'll see next week.
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14 minutes ago, ScrapNini said:
I too lived through the 80’s, although young (born in 78). I don’t remember ever seeing two different shoes as a thing. I do know I have seen it; but more as a “I got dressed in the dark and am now horrified that I grabbed two black shoes and they weren’t the same shoe! Please hide my feet until I can fix this!”
I got the impression that it was an attempt at a 'thing' which never really took off....like 'fetch'. Y'know--forget fetch--Fetch isn't going to happen. And yes, it always looked to me like a teenager got dressed in the dark, hoped it would look cool but basically looked like you got dressed in the dark.
QuoteIs it bad that I like when people wear Converse Chuck Taylor All-Stars in two different colors? I know it's dated, but I still think it's cute.
Darlin', you wear whatever makes you happy--seriously. There is no wrong answer. Okay; there aren't very many wrong answers here--maybe those droopy drawer, crotch hanging down to your knees looking like you're walking around with a load--but aside from that, not many wrong answers.
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Maybe the jails were overcrowded? It happens.