[Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!]

So, these people are taking their newborn into a third world country that may or may not be eradicated of deadly diseases? Will God save baby Jews for Jesus from malaria? (Why couldn't they pick a name that had a ring to it like P. Willy Waller?)

[The Other Duggars: The Lost Girls and Amy]

I agree with GEML and GeeGolly. What Josh did at age 14 was egregious (and legally criminal I guess) but I personally do believe that he is not that same person. For all I disagree with him and think he WAS a little smug, I believe he is a changed person and a loving husband and father. I also would hate to be judged only by some of the things I did as a younger person. Those acts are not the sum total of the person I am today. And speaking from personal experience with one of my own kids, I know for a fact that change is possible.

Criminals are judged all the time by things they did in their youth. Have you no idea how many people sit in jail cells sentenced for life based on crimes that happened when they were fifteen? They are murderers, rapists, and worse. So according to this logic if a fifteen year old kills someone, doesn't get caught, and goes on to have a family, society should just cut them some slack when their crimes come to light?

Sometimes what you do defines who you are. In this case, Josh Duggar, Child Molester™ stood upon hundreds of podiums and announced that LBGT men and women were child abusers based on their sexual identity. All while painting the LGBT community with the same brush, he himself was a child abuser.

So (at least for me) until the day he dies, no matter what good deeds he does, he will be a child molester. If for no other reason that his victims still have to live with the abuse.

[The Other Duggars: The Lost Girls and Amy]

We are all a sum of many parts, both good & bad. Josh effed up in a very egregious way. There is no evidence however that this behavior continued. And I think it is unfair, even to Josh, to label him.

Also, I'm sure DCF has been in close contact with Josh's family. There is no way they are going to allow his children to be around him if there is any risk. And there should be no way we would know if they are investigating, if DCF is doing their job properly.

Those are some serious rose colored glasses. The difference between a child molester and your straw man of a child who is on the Autism spectrum is that one is a choice and the other is not.

At 14 and 15, Josh knew damn well what he was doing was wrong. According to the original DHS report, Josh was physically disciplined (which means Jim Bob probably beat the shit out of him... and what do we expect coming from people who hit infants?) Yet Josh still chose to touch his sisters until he got down to his five year old sister. There's nothing "curious" about a kindergarten aged child's genitalia.

Also, unless there is a valid tip saying that Josh has molested one of his children, there's no basis for DHS to intervene. Because of his parent's conspiratorial felonious attempts to hide Josh's crimes, that's the reason he's not registered as a sex offender, which he should have been since he admitted to the molestation years after.

People with children need to know that they have subjected their children, during various events and even privately, to Josh Duggar, Child Molester™. Predators like Josh don't just change because they helped remodel a building for a few months. They don't change when the only counseling they received was from another person accused of sexual misconduct with underage girls.

[The Duggars: In the Media and TLC]

LLCs have what are usually called "membership interests," which are a similar concept to stock in a corporation. And like corporate stock, a membership interest is simply another asset that someone owns, and can usually be reached by a creditor (including someone who wins a judgment in litigation).

There are ways to structure your assets so you technically don't own them, thereby making the assets safe from creditors. But, I don't want to go into details about that, because it's complicated and doesn't always work. But simply putting stuff in an LLC doesn't make your assets safe from creditors. You have to do additional stuff. If the Duggars had halfway competent advice, then they've probably done this kind of stuff already.

Thank you and I love the name. Hufflepuff House is thoroughly underrated.

[The Duggars: In the Media and TLC]

Isn't it nice to know that they're such devout Christians and hold to such a strict standard of morality that they would never do anything like this?

Can't ever get past the idea that lying, control-freak grifter Jim Bob holds himself up as a moral role model.

It's a civil case, not criminal. The burden of proof is so.much lower in civil cases. He's already admitted to the molestation as have his parents. They've admitted on FOX News and in the DHS report that there was under clothes touching, so I don't think that her burden of proof will be all that difficult to obtain.

[The Duggars: In the Media and TLC]

I'm trying to find out elsewhere, but if anyone here can answer, I'd be delighted.

JB and Michelle have been steadily moving all assets to LLCs for years. There's a property LLC, and aeronautical LLC, and businesses out the wazoo. One of those businesses were formed with Jim Bob, Michelle, and Josh right before the Fox interview aired. So given that all of their assets are in shell companies, how would the victim go about getting a judgement when none of the Duggars actually own anything outright?

[The Duggars: In the Media and TLC]

Given In Touch's history with accurate reporting on this story, I'm giving them a lot of credence here. The fifth victim may have been (disclaimer: complete speculation) contacted and harassed into signing some sort of declaration nailing her into a narrative that better fits the Duggar's story.

Also, because I'm incredibly lazy, when did the original scandal break? Kate Gosselin's boyfriend/bodyguard was soliciting off duty police officers around May 20th. I'm guessing that the Duggars has some sort of heads up that the story was going to break.

[Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!]

If the Dillards are starting a ministry and are seeking funds to go overseas, might I suggest they sell the $20k worth of wedding gifts? Or the second round of grifting that was the Wal-Mart baby register? Or how about the funds I'm sure they received for their exclusive wedding/baby dill pickle photos?

It's not the job of the masses to support grown ass adults in their whims. Perhaps John Shrader can let them borrow the plane that never was.

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

This M-child will, fortunately for her, will not have to live with the knowledge that she was born on the shitter while a nation watched.

[The Other Duggars: The Lost Girls and Amy]

I thought it was Josiah.

Edit: Yes, it would seem it was him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIn2fDVHcU4 at 4:36 and 5:08).[/qguote]

Uh,around the 7:24 Mark, is Jana really feeding that Duggarling cold peas out of a can?

[Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!]

Well, if internet speculation proves true (and let's face it, it almost always does) Derick, Jill, and baby Apropriation of Jewish Culture are moving to Nepal, who is taking bets that Josh, Anna, and their brood are moving into the McMansion post haste?

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

You might be interested in reading about the recent Village Church controversy. Nuts-and-bolts version: Wife found out that her husband was a pedophile and possessed child pornography. Wife had the marriage annulled and left the church. Shit hit the fan because the membership covenant of the church doesn't "allow" members to leave if they're under church discipline, and the wife had been placed under church discipline for daring to have the marriage annulled.

Not really familiar with the Village Church, so I have no idea how extreme or mainstream they are compared to the Duggars. Probably less extreme, though.

ETA: After the scandal hit the media, the church ended up apologizing to the wife and acknowledging that she had biblical grounds for divorce/annulment.

Omg Doug Phillips! Interestingly enough, he admitted to having a long term affair with his children's nanny who was a teenager at the beginning of his grooming of her. I swear to shit, while Vision Forum was separate than ATI the Duggars did know them, there are so many instances of sexual misconduct surrounding these people.

Doug and Beall Philips also gave Michelle her MotY award.

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

The house Josh and Anna just vacated in Maryland is now up on Zillow as an available rental. http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/249-Panorama-Dr-Oxon-Hill-MD-20745/37457042_zpid/ In their quick retreat, they left behind their fireplace tools.

$2,650 if you're interested and want to use the same bidet as Josh.

I wonder if they had to pay $$$$ to repaint that God awful mustard yellow basement?

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

I don't think he can change his social security number legally and probably not the credit record. Although changing the name is not all that difficult. He'd have to get the actual credentials as he really has none now so they might as well be in the new name.

Yeah, if people can find members of the Manson family after 50 years, there's not a country where Josh Duggar, Child Molester™ could hide without being recognized.

Maybe they could relocate to the Galapagos islands?

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

I don't let random people into my home, so I can't fault the Duggars for how they handled the DHS worker. If you're legit, you can come back with the cops and them we'll talk. Given how badly the Duggars got screwed with the release of the police report I wouldn't trust anyone from the system either.

Well I have nothing to hide so if CPS shows up with the right identification, then come on in and please excuse the mess.

They didn't get screwed by DHS. They got screwed because they put their family on television as the paragon of traditional Christian values when they knew that that facade was a lie. Under Arkansas law, records that include sexual assault of a minor cannot be sealed. Josh Duggar, Child Molester™ was an adult when DHS got involved in 2006 and DHS got involved because his victims were then and still minors. If you murder someone when you're 15 and aren't caught until you're 19, your records aren't sealed because you were a minor at the time of the crime.

Either way, the Duggars were naive to believe that their secrets would stay hidden because of their shell veneer of wholesome, white, Christian values. They live in a right wing bubble which they believed would protect them from any speculation and in depth probing.

EDIT: I legit know the difference between the your and you're.

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

Don't forget about the "evil liberal media" and "Christian persecution", as those were major factors as well.

We musn't forget "crown of thorns", "it was their fault for tempting me with their prairie dresses", and "wimmin are under my authority anyway /shrug."

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

totally agree.

Anna thinks what she has been told. However, I bet this rocked her to the deepest part of her soul. She might actually being feeling something for the first time.

Since her admission that Josh told her about the molestation before they were married, I've wondered if it was disguised under the umbrella of "my faith was tested", "I made mistakes", "I was tempted by the debil."

[The Duggars and Their World: Fashion, Food, Finance, Schoolin’ and Child Rearin']

That easily could of been money from his parents.

Mary was handing out loans to the tune of ~$50k as far back as the mid 80's so that's completely plausible. Funny that Jim Bob has described his parents as "bad with money" on several occasions.

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

I'd really love to know what Anna REALLY thinks?

Anna has been conditioned to only think what her headship tells her to think. Stockholm Syndrome on a 25+ year scale.

[The Duggars and Their World: Fashion, Food, Finance, Schoolin’ and Child Rearin']

Derick resigned? When did that happen

If you email his work email it says that he's resigned his position and who to further contact regarding his accounts.

[The Duggars and Their World: Fashion, Food, Finance, Schoolin’ and Child Rearin']

Well at the time I wrote that he hadn't resigned yet.

I'm thoroughly nosey and wonder what his reasons were for leaving his paying job that more than likely had benefits.

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

I do not think the FRC is a 'hate group'. They have very conservative values and lobby congress, just as many uber liberal groups do. I may not agree with them, but I will not call them a hate group because of their beliefs and lobbying efforts.

When an organization seeks to take rights and civil liberties away from US citizens based on their interpretation of the bible, it's very much a hate group. Their argument that marriage is between one man and one woman is tantamount to opposition to interracial marriage which was only made legal in 1967. Arguments about interracial marriage were biblically based as are the FRC's lobbying claims about LBGT citizens.

FRC spreads misinformation about LBGT citizens as to sway public opinion the same way that Westboro Baptist Church tries to sway public opinion by protesting funerals with their God awful picketing propaganda.

[The Duggars and Their World: Fashion, Food, Finance, Schoolin’ and Child Rearin']

Derrick has a "real job".

As for Ben... "Is posting hate and condemnation messages a job?" He asks.

Nope. Derick has resigned his job at Wal-Mart HQ as an accountant.

[Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events]

In all of the body guards in all of the world, he chose THAT one. It certainly sounds like a TLC pick to me especially if both are under contracts with Discovery.

[The Duggars: In the Media and TLC]

In all honesty, for someone who is supposed to be so brand savvy, Michelle and Jim Bob have royally flubbed this whole crisis. Do they (or at least their PR team) have zero comprehension as to how FIOA works? Why in the middle of this hurricane of negative publicity, they would refuse to cooperate with DHS (yet again) and fail to see how this move would be scrutinized by the media, both print and social?

Also, this is my first post, so hi!