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9 hours ago, nilyank said:

Yeah, I actually thought that why Dante was upset. Instead it was to introduce a crisis for Dante where he may be reconsidering his profession as a police officer. Even though everything that we know about Dante from all his years on this show and everything that we heard about his childhood, he always wanted to be a cop.

honestly, I remember Mr Poletti or whatever his name was was the motivation for Dante to be a cop and Dante wanted to bring down Sonny and the mob because he was gunned down, and Sonny was like "meh i didn't do it, but if he got gunned down he deserved it." and Dante basically went. "Oh okay." and that got dropped big time

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22 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

So true, and I think there's a seed of a potential story there. Willow, the girl who grew up in a cult and automatically conforms to the thoughts and opinions of the most powerful* man in her orbit. How does she break free of that and discover herself? Hell, how does she realize that she needs to?

* "Powerful" isn't really the right word, but I'm blanking on a better one. Forceful? Determined? At first I started to say "alpha male" but I can't take that phrase at all seriously. I hope you guys can get what I mean.

Dominant. that's the word I'd use. (I'd also say charismatic but Michael isn't that at all. but he is the most dominant man in Willow's life and he knows how to pamper her and treat her well, so she conforms to it). 

before they completely destroyed Harmony - Harmony had Michael all sussed out because she constantly told Willow to not let Michael take away her voice. and honestly that's what Nina should have been doing too - seeing what Michael was doing to Willow and saying the same things. but nopers. 

But we've been screaming this for ages - Willow of all people needed to be alone . not to say she couldn't have relationships but she needed to know exactly who she was, what she wanted to do and what her voice was before she got involved with anyone else. because she left Dawn of Day, and instantly glooms onto Wiley [i know for other reasons] and with Wiley comes Michael and family and security what she didn't really have - but it's still very "cult-ish."  Michael doesn't allow her to do anything that she wants to do, talks for her, constantly states how he'd "hide things from Willow,".  and truthfully knocking MIchael 100000 pegs, and making him the actual scum would be a great storyline (imo). but they'll never do it. 

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2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Nina thinks Sonny will be impressed that she made deals with those dingbats. Of course she's completely misread the room and is only now learning Sonny has no interest in those traitors.

Oh Nina, you dingbat sigh

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wait stop. hold the phone?
Nina sold the hotel to jason to give it back to Carly? Why? Clearly the show forgot clearly that Nina wanted this to be Wiley's inheritance. that after she offered it to Carly  and she got it thrown in her face, she wanted to make sure that her grandchild (and i'm now assuming grandchildren) had a stable inheritance that wasn't tied up with Q/Corinthos stuff. guess none of that matters now.

whatever. 

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i do remember Jason calling Michael a little bitch. 
that lives rent free in my head

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26 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I only meant to clarify. And it was during the era when NO ONE kissed Cujo's ass, and she was still a possessive jealous shrew over Jason.  Oh, wait. She still is. The only thing that's changed is that EVERYONE has to kiss her ass now.

lol no i got it. (ahh what a missing emoji can do) :) I am really glad for the clarification. i just mean i feel sometimes i am broken record about stuff so I get what you mean about having to do it (and not caring about it). 

 

4 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Back then Jason was the boy with no past and Robin was the girl with no future. He hadn't yet turned into the Borg who let everyone else do the work.

i remember those promos. because of Robin's HIV diagnosis and everything. 

 

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3 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I know I'm a broken record about this, but I don't care. But ROBIN is the only one he fought for-he left the mob for her and set up working at a garage.

it's okay broken record. 
i keep forgetting about this bit. (because i wasn't watching during this bit). but thanks for the correction

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33 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

Carly was 100% hoping that Jason would want to pursue a romantic relationship since they’re both single. Her voice cracked when he said he liked things the way they are. The Sonny factor has only ever been an issue for him. Carly would destroy Sonny in a heartbeat if she had a sliver of hope of getting Jason, father of her children or not. 

this is why i don't get why anyone wants Jason as a love interest for their characters. Jason never fights for anyone. I remember that stupid declaration of love because you made me, Show, and Jason is all like yah i always loved you blegh bleh. and the "only reason why he walked away" was because "Sonny came back

So Sonny isn't in the picture. you loooveeeeeeeeee her, and now all of a sudden it's "nah fam, i just want things the way the way they are?" like i loathe Carly and I would laugh in her face that she still can't achieve her dream, but screw you Jason.  nothing is in your way now, what's your excuse. 

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19 hours ago, driver18 said:

Grrrr, just read a recap. No, Carly was not late an hour. She wasn't planning on showing up. That's what she told Kristina, who told Sonny. That's why Sonny slept with Nina because by not coming that was telling Sonny they were over. Carly only showed up to tell him about Dante being in the hospital. Ugh, she's such a lying cow, and these writers are just as bad as the previous in retconning everything to paint Carly in the rosiest of views.

this bothers me so much - because a LOT of people have been saying this as well on other message boards etc. like Carly was just running late, she wasn't not going to Sonny. and i am like. no. that's not what happened at all.  I truly can't understand why this show refuses to admit that Carly can be wrong.

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2 hours ago, driver18 said:

* Case in point: Chase/Brooklyn gained most of their fans during the Bailey story because it was a good story. They were written well during it, the pacing was well done, it was soapy, the love story part of it was well done. However, they began to lose viewers with the next story, the music career, the non-stop stupid lying, all of that idiocy because it was bad writing, the bad arcs, the horrible pacing. Same actors, same chemistry, the only difference was the bad story, bad pacing.

 

honestly, and i've said this forever - the chemistry i saw was like Ned(Jax) + Alexis vibes. like the sexual chemistry was there but for me I was just feeling like this was going to be BFFs with some hanky panky on the side, not "true love, let's get married, you're my one and only." and i feel that's what killed the relationship too (for me). you aren't wrong about the other stuff either. but I ALSO feel they are only together - because both Josh & Amanda won't smut it up on camera, and I think rather than having 2  chaste couples it was easier just to smash those two together and figure something else. 

 

 

2 hours ago, driver18 said:

Sorry, for the length, ya'll, but oh, this has been building for a while!

oh never apologise for the length. lol you have stuff to say! say it! :D I am with you too, again I actually like Finn & Liz. they just need some good stories.

 

17 minutes ago, tessaray said:

Steven Lars

as in Liz's brother Steven? 
Why is he in jail?

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2 hours ago, CeChase said:

I did.  I didn't watch any episode last week, and having read the spoilers for this coming week, I won't be watching.  That will be two  weeks.  That's how routines form.   I really don't know what will bring me back at this point.  As long as the writing is this slanted and agenda-driven, there's nothing for me.  And I agree with you about Korte.  

only thing i watch now are the previews. haven't watched a full episode... i wanna say....goodness roughly around the nurses ball, and Willow just said something totally horrendous about Nina and i just had had enough of that

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33 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Let’s stop with calling what Cujo did “a risky  venture”. It was FULL OUT Insider Training and it’s ILLEGAL. But Cujo didn’t give a rat’s ass. She’s a criminal herself though she she tries to coat it otherwise. GOD, I miss Robin, who wasn’t afraid to call her out on her SHIT.

to be fair to Carly. (oh that hurts) - at the time she didn't know it was insider trading. she just didn't listen to Michael and Drew. from the moment she knew though? you are 10000 percent right

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2 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

BL has her own salary through Deception.  That marriage is not hurting for money.  

no that's my point. 

BLQ has her own salary but she has Q money behind her. so she has money money. i mean if i remember anything from what a PCPD makes from Lucky, it's not that much because Liz had to be Jax's surrogate to help get more money. 

If Chase had to sell his car, they haven't had the money talk yet (or if they had y'all didn't tell me hah)

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I was going to ask, "Why does TJ hate Kristina." but it's because of Sonny? did he forget that Molly is also related to Sonny?

here is my thing about Chase and BLQ. 
BLQ is from a very affluent family, and clearly BLQ has money of her own. 
Chase is a working class cop. 

they should be having MANY discussions about cost of living etc (and drama of one being rich and the other one VERY MUCH NOT so) if BLQ wants to go to Florence and Chase doesn't want BLQ to pay for it. they need to (a argue about it, for drama because God knows they aren't having sex and B: just figure out what they can do with their money). but chase has got to realize that he's always going to be financially less than BLQ. (and unlike Willow who just laps it all up, it would be nice if Chase kinda balks at it. imo this would be the thing that breaks them up/heads to divorce) because BLQ does not seem like a person who can be kept by a police detectives salary (which is equally fine).

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1 hour ago, CeChase said:

So what did Nina have to do with that?  Can anyone tell me?

 

if Nina didn't buy the hotel, eventually Olivia would have been able to gift it to Carly instead.  that's all i've got

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20 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

She defines herself as Michael’s wife and mother of his children. 

that's true, we all heard that when she was dying "Imma wife of Michael!" 

18 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

He never actually wanted her to become a nurse, so as soon as she mentioned that she hated missing time with the kids while they’re young, he pounced. Of course he said it was her decision, but he was thrilled. I mean, even if she doesn’t work the kids will still be with the nanny most of the day, so what’s the difference?

this is so true too. but maybe they can the nanny?

I will say I am sorry that i phrased it the way I said or made assumptions.  that wasn't my intention at all. I should have realized y'all meant Willow's utter lack of personality outside of being Michael's screw toy.

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7 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

Willow is locked in as Mrs. Michael Corinthos. She’s ready to stop working because it’s taking away time from the kids.

did she even start working?

but i will say. I have no problems/issues with people choosing to be stay at home parents. I don't think that's akin to "not having an identity." but was michael pushing this for weeks or something?

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1 minute ago, DanaMB said:

I didn’t think they could ruin Willow further. Until today’s episode. She truly no longer has her own identity.

so what happened with her?

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2 hours ago, backhometome said:

Of course he did. Is anyone surprised. Why leave more for your minor children than a grown woman. He is truly trash.

people tried to justify it too like  "Well Jake and Danny are rich because of the ELQ stock, and Sam is rich so it's fine that Jason takes care of his best friend." and I am like I don't care if the inheritance is a freaking dollar bill. your children should not get less than someone who has the entire world ready to bend to her will. 

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5 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Jason holding a torch for Carly. Really? Did he leave Carly more money than he left his sons? Because that was my understanding of the way things were divided. 

 

1/2 to Carly, 1/4 to both his kids. just keep on showing how much you value your children, Jason

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9 minutes ago, jsbt said:

, I will say I thought the Drew/Nina sex scene was both hot and pretty charged up dialogue-wise. I haven't seen a GH scene like that in a hot minute, this show has been so tame and sexless for so long.

they had sex?!?!

dang. lol i hope someone posts that up. 

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9 hours ago, Grinaldi said:

My pitch, bring her back with a surprise husband she met while doing charity work in Africa: Lucky Spencer.

LOL i read this and I just thought of Denise Huxtable bringing her brand new husband from Africa. but i do agree with you. a lot of the actors of characters we could have are retired but they treat them like they can never be replaced again. screw that. replace them. 

I am on you with the Dark Willow. 

I still maintain we need AJ's secret kids here. my issue is that there is very little "Quatermaine" at the Quatermaines. it's way too full of Sonny/Carly bootlickers  and I feel Tracy needs some reinforcements. (and because Tracy is in her twilight years i think it would be good if you have a child of AJ's and her reflect on why she [Tracy] and AJ didn't really get along - because they realised they were the the same side of the coin - the afterthought child, and instead of combining forces they often and constantly butted heads

I am also with @lilabennet we need more hospital stories and a firm legacy character at the helm of it all. Elizabeth isn't enough. (she's a great start but not enough)

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58 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

I have a genuine question, because I don't know enough about the industry - why does GH have such a large cast? Even outside of wild cards like Easton and Howarth being given umpteen characters each, they do have a pretty deep bench when it comes to people who can or do have story. I'm sure it has a lot to do with the insistence on Carly/Sonny/Jason being the sun around which everything else revolves, and yet.

 

i honestly don't know. like they could cull a good chunk of them, have some others come in and out when needed, tell a little story here, and keep the main focus on the main group of people. 

a good part of it is, they simply don't know when to let people go.  like what is the point of Sasha? and I don't even mind her. but she came in to con Nina. that failed. she decides to bond with Nina. cool. they don't make it that she's actually Nina's daughter but someone messed up a test or something. She really doesn't advocate (passionately, draw sides) with Nina vs. other people. Her best friend in the whole world barely has time for her (great one that Willow). and now she's wearing overalls and slinging hay with Cody (okay?). 

same with Cody. like. I do get they probably had to withhold some action on his storyline since JJY is battling cancer. but like the fact that he exists at all still annoys me. (and I'll even say it's not even the whole aspect of giving Mac a biological child of his own or it being a boy. i'm fine with that and how they did it) but it really just felt like a huge HISTORY lesson dump since Dominique and Lawerence are long since dead, Serena is off saving whales (since her actress retired from acting) and other than Cody punching out Scotty - there's no real real "drawing" at heart strings or anything. so like. Why? 

i've said before, if it were me i would legit wipe out the majority of the 25-30 crowd and just start a bit over. (you do need some legacies, so I'd actually keep Michael, but i've been campaigning for AJ's secret children for a while now, so that could be the lifeblood of the Q's) and bring in some law abiding people and just phase out the kissing of the mob backside crew. 

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

Nixon Falls has a lot to answer for. Sonny hasn't done nearly enough answering for it. Nina is still bearing the brunt of it, as the wimmins usually do. 

to be fair. as she should.  i always defend Nina in regards to how everyone treats her because of it but at the end of the day irregardless of it all, she was wrong to hold that one under her hat.  Sonny coulda shoulda woulda a lot of things as his time as Mike, and Nina was upholding Mike's request - but  Nina should have been the better person and said something a lot sooner. 

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8 hours ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Jake and Danny close enough in age that this outcome is totally predictable? I have no idea of how old the current crop of kids is supposed to be.

Jake should at least be the same age as Joss as Joss and Jake were roughly around the same age when he died and they tried to re-do "Not Barbara Jean's Heart!!" with Jake's kidney.

6 hours ago, Tenshinhan said:

Jason killed on Sonny's orders.  So Joss probably sees those killings as Sonny's killings.  In her mind, people like Dex, Carly, and Jason are pawns and victims of Sonny's lifestyle.

you know technically technically. Joss isn't wrong with Jason. He was a pawn and a victim of Sonny's lifestyle but she's not lamenting for long lost Jason Q, suffering to adjust to his accident, she's advocating for Jason Morgan who in tandem decides who gets murdered. that's sort of the missing piece that Joss is missing. Jason and Sonny decide together who Jason murders. Carly is perfectly fine with the lifestyle, She CHOSE it. she's not a pawn. 

girl needs to grow up and smell the flowers for what it is.