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Why Clare Crawley "Finally Caved" and Reunited With Dale Moss After Their Breakup
QuoteA source close to Clare exclusively told E! News, "Dale had regret over everything that happened between him and Clare and has been reaching out to her recently. She finally caved and decided to answer his calls and talk it out with him."
The source went on to explain, "She's been trying to move on but it's been very hard. She wanted to see him in person so she flew to Florida to be with him."
According to the source, Dale wants to prove to her that he's a good guy, noting that Clare forgives him for the drama that led to their split and wants to be on good terms with him. "They aren't back together but Clare has expressed she misses him and wants to work it out," the insider added.
Dale is so desperate to talk to Clare again and get back in her good graces, but she's flying across the country to see him? *sighs* He just wants to rehab his image after the signed Instagram breakup post and totally spontaneous paparazzi Q&As didn't go over well.
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12 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:
LOL I don't really like him much either, but somehow picturing him rolling his eyes at the cornball shenanigans on The Bachelor appeals to me. This show has always taken itself far too seriously.
His relationship advice book had a rule about holding off on sex for 90 days. I don't think a whole Bachelor Season takes that long to film. His commentary on Fantasy Suite Week would be interesting, to say the least...
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Wow, BBC coverage of the controversy. Talk about a damage control interview backfiring! Truly, the most dramatic season ever...
The Bachelor Diversity Campaign is calling for Chris' permanent ouster from the franchise:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLSPVKhjGuh/?igshid=1ahkoip38pekc
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2 hours ago, waving feather said:
Chris said the wrong things for sure. He is a grown man and he should have known better. He will be fine after taking a short break. I side-eye the Bachelor Nation contestants who came out of the woodwork (those who never cared about racial justice before or at least never expressed it) to suddenly speak out against him, joining the bandwagon, when they were kissing his ass all along. Chris Harrison has never changed who he is. He tells bold-faced lies for the show and never cared about anything beyond making a TV show and getting his paycheck. He is not a man with high integrity. So they can't be /that/ surprised or "disappointed". Spare me.
A lot of those past contestants are only issuing statements because they're getting called out by fellow alumni who do regularly post about social issues, and also the segment of the fanbase that demands activism from Bachelor Nation influencers. I don't mind knowing where people stand on issues, but I don't see the value of bullying bystanders into empty words on issues they couldn't care less about in actuality, and that don't directly involve them.
Here's another Chris interview from 2015, where he's promoting a romance novel he "wrote" and gets asked about the franchise's track record with racial diversity, and well... There's too much to quote it all here, but he said Juan Pablo being a Venezuelan who "didn't really speak English all that great" was "as diverse as you could possibly get". While the show does aim to improve with diversity...
QuoteBut at the same time, we're also — we have a job to do. Because we have hundreds and thousands of people trying to work. So what justice are we doing anybody by taking a great social stand, and then five months later, going, "OK, that was great, nobody watched the show."
The franchise did this to themselves. If they'd just been more open-minded all along and had their first minority Bachelor in the aughts, or anytime before 2017, really, you wouldn't have had fans looking up the lead's voter registration and coming at TPTB with a 10-point diversity initiative that must be addressed, or else, or saying this guy isn't the representation we wanted.
Meanwhile, a big segment of the viewers couldn't care less about any of these issues and resent people who try to "politicize" the show. The Netflix dating shows are examples of how they can be diverse in a variety of ways (race, sexuality, different abilities, etc) while still being fluffy reality at their heart, but TPTB here have been on top a long time and gotten pretty entrenched in their ways. I don't think either side is ultimately going to get everything they want out of the show.
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Twenty years of media training out of the window, just because he saw Confederate cosplay and social media likes being attacked and couldn't simply say, "We should hear from Rachael, but the franchise doesn't condone her behavior." Now he's on timeout from his gig and has likely caused a big problem for his girlfriend at her job. Lauren Zima continuing to be Entertainment Tonight's top correspondent for the franchise and hosting a weekly recap show despite dating the host has always been a conflict of interest, but no one really took The Bachelor seriously enough to care. I wonder if "Roses and Rosé" is also going on hiatus, or if we'll be grabbing our glasses for a Very Special Episode this Tuesday...
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The Bachelor Data Instagram account has a lot of interesting info/stats about airtime and social media growth of the contestants. It's mostly focused on this season, but also does historical comparisons on things like how far a person has gone if they get the First Impression Rose or the "Pretty Woman" shopping spree date.
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NFL Thread
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5 hours ago, ChitChat said:I've never understood the situation with Urban Meyer. I thought that he got out of football/coaching because of his heart issues. What gives?
Haven't his health problems coincided with his school becoming embroiled in controversy?
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Ma'am, you are not going to win a settlement for emotional distress. You're not even going to win the court of public opinion...
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After the Final Rose was going to be awkward anyway, given Matt's F1, but before Chris made himself part of the story, he would have largely steered the conversation away from the elephant in the room. Now, whomever they get to host this thing will ask much tougher questions of Rachael and Matt, should he stick with her.
Also, I wonder if Katie as Bachelorette is still happening? It hasn't officially been announced and picking someone who finished eleventh or whatever, when most of the Top 10 runners-up this season are BIPOC, is not a good look for the show right now. I thought they would go with Abigail, who did make a strong first impression and goes far into the season, and would also (cynically) check off a couple of diversity boxes for TPTB (deaf and also half-Asian).
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Whoa, they're putting Chris Harrison on hiatus! Can't get his Instagram post to embed, but here it is:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CLPmjrFgEv8/?igshid=12y4tw9cim63l
I thought they would just have him tape some apologetic intro for next week's show and that would appease the majority of the fanbase. Wonder who's going to host After the Final Rose now...
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All Chris had to do was say that Rachael attending the plantation ball was bad, but he wants to hear what she has to say for herself before writing her off completely. Harrison has a long history of questionable racial comments about the franchise through the years without really being called on it, and I guess he thought this interview would be more of the same.
Reality Steve has implied Rachael has wanted to address the controversy for weeks but the show wasn't letting her and/or wanted to limit her to 100 words and it had to be approved by TPTB first. Other ex-contestants have said nothing in the contract would prevent them from addressing things that happened before the show. Whatever the truth is, Rachael released her apology and it undercuts the Chris Harrison "nobody knew racism was bad 5 years ago in 2018" defense. I wonder if she went rogue? The women of color from the season also released a statement about Chris and broader racism in the franchise (they've posted it to their individual social media accounts). It's one thing for Bachelor Nation alumni to comment but another for people still in the farm system, hoping for spots on Paradise. I guess TPTB can't sue them all...
I wonder if all this media controversy surrounding Rachael makes it more obvious to the non-spoiled that she is F1 (even more than Matt telling her that he was falling in love halfway into the season, lol). If she'd just been Top 9, they would happily throw her under the bus, instead of trying (and failing) to sweep her racist history under the rug.
Somewhere, the UnREAL writers are saying, "I told you so!"
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3 hours ago, Anduin said:
I only know her from this very thread, plus one article I saw on another site. She's not exactly an A-level star.
It strikes me that the bar to what we call celebritydom has been lowered in recent years. There are more people who are famous to less people and for less work.
There have been "celebrities" with dubious claims to fame for many decades, but now there are more outlets for them to be thrust into the limelight, and far more moneymaking potential than in years past. The Diet Coke Guy or Rula Lenska would be the face of a product for a huge corporation, but now people on social media can rake in the millions for themselves. Fabio parlayed being a model for romance novel covers into years of endorsements and becoming a household name. The pageant winners and "socialites" of yore morphed into the "celebutantes" of the aughts and influencers of today (though social media stars come in many ages/forms). D-listers of old were relegated to game ahow panels or Love Boat guest spots or maybe Playboy, for the women, but now there's little shame in doing direct-to-streaming movies, and you can add a social media presence on top of it.
There are a lot of avenues to fame, and when media outlets care about getting traffic above all else, it matters less whether the person generating clicks is a movie star or a TikTok sensation.
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John David Washington has already had to defend the age gap with Zendaya for Malcolm & Marie and the movie isn't even out yet. He points out that she has been in show business much longer than him. Also, the movie was her idea, so if anything, she picked him. The story is about a director and his aspiring actress girlfriend, so it's not like the age difference is unrealistic. It apparently gets addressed in the movie.
Another thing is that Zendaya got her big break as a Disney kid and still plays a teenager on a TV show now, so some people can't deal with her playing an adult (I guess this is why there wasn't a huge objection to Zendaya/Zac Efron in The Greatest Showman, because he's also an ex-Disney kid). People say she looks like a child next to JDW, which I think is ridiculous. The near-ubiquity of twentysomethings playing teenagers in TV shows/movies for decades has skewed ideas of how teenagers actually look in real life. It's also funny to see the Zendaya fans saying, "No one complained about Jennifer Lawrence in Silver Linings Playbook!" I guess some of them really are too young to remember the years of people saying JLaw was getting roles that should have gone to older women, bless...
I get that large age gaps in films, if they only go in one direction, can be indicative of a system that easily discards women while endlessly propping up men. OTOH, adults in different age ranges can have a good rapport and even find love, if they want. Maybe they'll work as an onscreen couple; maybe they won't.
Frankly, more annoying (to me, anyway) is the subset of social media which, I swear, is "disturbed" and "uncomfortable" with any age gap greater than 2-3 years. I mean, good for you that you personally never ever want to date anyone that you couldn't have theoretically attended middle school with, but that does not mean every relationship with an age gap is grooming or has a troubling power imbalance. Do you want to raise the age of adulthood to 25 or what?
And IMO not enough people entertain the idea that maybe it's the men who are too old for some of these roles. For the last decade or two, Hollywood has treated men like they are boys until they are 30, so no wonder onscreen (and offscreen) pairings work out how they do. Even in the Golden Age, you would get the 50+ men with a woman in her 20s, but they still let guys in their 20s play actual adults in mainstream, big budget movies.
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On 12/7/2020 at 1:14 PM, WinnieWinkle said:
I've noticed this before but a Christmas movie I was just watching did this every single time - people who are on the phone and just hang up. No good bye, no see you soon, nothing. The person on the other end says something and the character we're watching just hangs up. Who does this? Maybe once in awhile or if you got a crank call or something. But in conversation with someone you know or are doing business with you just hang up?? I don't think so!
It's probably a screenwriting thing; exchanging goodbyes would be considered wasted words/time that could go to some other thing that moves the story forward.
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41 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:
A character will definitely say "Finger kickin' good" in a sexy way at some point.
The trailer is even better (worse?), though it depends on your perspective, I guess:
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5 hours ago, Ellaria Sand said:
This is becoming rather silly. If a few hours of a TV drama can "jeopardize" the supposedly rehabilitated reputations of C&C then perhaps their reputations weren't truly rehabilitated in the first place. The Windsors - like all families, royal and not royal - have issues. This media campaign (for lack of a better term) to discredit the show and offer a "woe is me" aspect does more harm than good to their position. The family and their public voices need to stop talking about it.
I know quite a few people who are now watching The Crown - having never watched it before - because of all of the talk about how Charles is portrayed.
The tabloids moralizing about The Crown now were the ones who gleefully spilled all the sordid royal gossip back in the day. The papers are probably worried about being depicted poorly in upcoming seasons and how that may affect their own bottom line. More and more British celebrities are speaking out about how awful and unethical the tabloids are over there, and any examination of the shady press in the 1990s will remind people that little has changed, and the reasons why Harry and Meghan bolted.
The show is fictional but all the bellyaching only makes viewers want to seek out books and documentaries, and people on Twitter who lived through this era are more than happy to fill in the gaps of things the show didn't mention. In the past three weeks, so many sweet, summer children just learned about what was delicately called Camillagate (which actually occurred during the S4 timeframe). Yes, Diana had her affairs and her own leaked embarrassing phone call, too, but she’s not here now, and it's not so much her side trying to convince everyone that the show is exaggerating everything.
Monarchy is an old-fashioned institution by nature, but even within its framework, some people are better than others at adapting to the times. A savvy PR person would tell Charles and Camilla and their defense brigade to shut up and take the L about Season 4. Let social media vent for a few weeks and then people will be preoccupied by the next outrage. Some people will never forgive Charles and Camilla or like them very much, but complaining about a TV show being unfair to them isn't going to help with that.
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On 11/23/2020 at 9:10 PM, DEL901 said:
I saw the preview during DWTS. Wow, his dates are a lot more fun than the Bachelorette’s. Sky diving, zip lining, hot air balloon. Wow. And, of course, the obligatory shower scene.
On 11/23/2020 at 9:24 PM, alexa said:It seems kind of unfair...they didn’t need to skimp so much on the bachelorette.
The Bachelor does have a bigger budget (it gets higher ratings, generally), but I think The Bachelorette being their first attempt at filming in a bubble put it at a disadvantage. TPTB probably weren't sure how smoothly filming would go, if/when it would be disrupted, and stuck to Southern California out of an abundance of caution. Then, as things turned out okay at the La Quinta (in terms of pandemic safety at least), they could take stock of what was working and what wasn't, and feel more comfortable branching out to another part of the country for the next Bachelor bubble. The timing sucks for the season first out of the gate.
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On 11/26/2020 at 10:45 PM, Kiss my mutt said:There was one girl on the cast list that said she was 21! Isn’t that the youngest they’ve ever had?
I liked Alicia and Katie too just based on the photos. I’m excited for this to start but yeah, Tayshia got shortchanged on the types of dates if they’re able to do all of those dates with the Bachelor!Bekah was 21 when Arie's season was filming and it was big thing some of the other women in the house held against her, as someone that age was "too young" and "not ready" to settle down, especially with Arie being 36 at the time. It was played like this shocking secret and threw Arie for a loop when he found out. The funny thing is that Bekah entered a relationship shortly after that season and she’s now a mother of two.
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On 11/27/2020 at 1:48 AM, chocolatine said:Can you image if this Bachelor season had dates like the current Bachelorette season, i.e. the women were asked to play strip dodgeball, oil wrestle, bring Matt breakfast in bed, and simulate orgasms over the hotel intercom? Something tells me that would not go over well with Bachelor Nation.
There was the lingerie pillow fight on Peter's season, women riding tractors in bikinis on the Chris Soules season, and on Ben H's season, there was a stage performance date where the "villain" of the house ended up in a costume that was just a thong on the bottom. IIRC, she was not comfortable with it. On Hannah's Bachelorette season, there was the so-called local tradition of nude couples bungee jumping (online, people familiar with the region were saying, "Yeah no, that is not a thing there."). The strip dodgeball was degrading; bad sexual politics are the norm for this franchise.
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18 minutes ago, bluphoenix451 said:
I think they are both Diana's sisters.
Yes, it's a family picture from Archie's christening that includes Diana's sisters Jane and Sarah.
This is Tiggy nowadays:
In her younger days:
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7 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:
Anyone have goss on what happened after the divorce? Did their relationship calm down? Were they just civil? I assume they would still need to discuss the children etc
Princess Diana Confessed That She Would Have Gone Back to Prince Charles "In a Heartbeat"
QuoteAccording to royal biographer Tina Brown, author of The Diana Chronicles, the late royal confessed to her during a meeting that summer that she would have gone back to Charles "in a heartbeat," if he had been interested.
In a recent interview with The Telegraph, Brown explained:
"At the end of Diana's life, she and Charles were on the best terms they'd been for a very long time. Charles got into the habit of dropping in on her at Kensington Palace and they would have tea and a sort of rueful exchange. They even had some laughs together.
It was definitely calming down, the boys were older. They talked about their philanthropies. And she had accepted Camilla [Parker Bowles]. One thing she had finally done was really understand that Camilla was the love of his life, and there was just nothing she could do about it. But she said to me at that lunch that she would go back to Charles in a heartbeat if he wanted her."
Quote“I think they were finally coming to find a common ground. It had been very difficult, very acrimonious,” CNN Royal Correspondent Victoria Arbiter tells Us Weekly in the September 3 episode of “Royally Us.” “I think just before she died she had really found her calling. She was excited for the future. She’d let go of the past.”
She adds, “Of course there were the still wobbles because it’s very difficult to coparent when you’re divorced and even more so on a public platform, but I think they had moved beyond the really ugly stage of that relationship and they were embracing what the future had in store for both of them."
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1 hour ago, AZChristian said:
To be honest, I had never heard of Captain James Hewitt (one of Diana's confirmed lovers) until Season 4. So I went Googling. Here's a picture . . . next to a picture of Harry at about the same age. All I'm going to say is that my jaw dropped.
Conspiracy theories are scandalous and exciting (not to the people implicated, obviously), so they persist. I'm mildly surprised the theories haven't evolved to Philip somehow being Hewitt's father...
On the Squidgy tapes (recorded circa 1990), Diana worries about getting pregnant and references a soap opera where a woman has a baby resultung from an extramarital affair. I know people aren't always careful about these things, but I always thought that if she'd been down that road already and "gotten away with it," so to speak, she'd be on industrial/triple strength contraception going forward. There wasn't social media back then but the old-school press was plenty pervasive, and the risk of being caught was very high. The same people who insist the Firm murdered Diana don't seem to think they would have bumped off Harry Hewitt one way or another (obviously not advocating this!), and have arranged it in a way that made the Windsors sympathetic in the eyes in the public.
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3 hours ago, Zella said:
I posted this in The Royals thread over in the Everything Else forum and was encouraged to post it here too.
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I don't find it surprising at all that the royal family didn't say anything about previous seasons of The Crown, but that they are almost desperate to register their complains about this one. I think several factors are at play.
Disclaimer: I've only watched the first two seasons but have followed discussion of the last 2.
I think The Firm is most vested in protecting the people on the throne or in direct line to be, so Elizabeth, Charles, and William. The seasons I watched, the most villainized characters were Margaret, Phillip, and The Mustaches. I don't think The Firm is going to complain about that because it deflects criticism from the people they want to protect.
Also, the events covered were more history than recent events for most viewers. I watched the first season with my grandparents, and my grandpa (who is most decidedly not a fan of the royal family or monarchy--he's very proud of his ancestors kicking the British's ass at Kings Mountain LOL) brightened up a bit when he told me, "I remember when they made her queen! I was a little boy." Nobody else in the house remembered that. Now, they're delving into much more recent events that way more people are going to remember--and it's not just stuff like the coronation, where the focus is on the pomp and circumstance. The focus is on really ugly scandals that people are going to have definite opinions about.
And the scandals involve the people The Firm is going to care about protecting. With season 3, I don't remember anyone saying they hated Charles. I remember most people saying they were surprised they felt sorry for him. Well, now with season 4, nobody's feeling sorry for Charles, and it's revived all the talk about Diana and Camilla and the shitshow that was. I mentioned this earlier, but I think The Firm is undoubtedly pleased that the media focus since Charles's remarriage has veered away from the scandals of the past, but that's not happening anymore. And if anything, we seem to be on a wave of more Diana in pop culture, so they know this isn't going away for them.
And on top of all this, when the last season of The Crown dropped, Harry and Meghan were still members of the royal family. Meghan's interview where she confessed she was struggling dropped about a month before season 3 did, but I don't think season 3 directly dealt with things that were so pertinent to her situation, so I don't think a lot of chatter was centered around that. But when season 4 drops about Diana's struggles inside the family, people who otherwise may not have followed any of this are now looking at the Harry and Meghan exit like 👀. The comparisons to Diana are inevitable, and the royal family doesn't emerge looking good from that--and they can't even blame it on the likes of Margaret or Phillip.
I think the royal family is making the whole situation worse by reacting the way they are, but I totally get why this is enraging them in a way the other seasons didn't. I think they're, quite frankly, frightened about the potential for public opinion to really sour on them over the whole thing, right when they were thinking that maybe the vast majority of people had if not accepted Charles and Camilla were willing to tolerate them. And as a result, they're lashing out because they know they can't really defend Charles. He was a complete dick!
Definitely, seeing the 1980s rehashed dredges up a lot of fresh anger for people who watched it unfold the first time. I also think a not-small share of the social media outrage happening now is from people too young to remember Charles/Diana when it happened, or they started paying attention to the Royals when Kate or Meghan married into the family. They might know that Charles was in love with Camilla but married Diana, there was a public, bitter divorce and Diana died when William and Harry were young. Seeing it play out, how 32-year-old Charles was still emotionally involved with Camilla and wanted her to be friends with his 19-year-old fiancée...this is a generation that cares about age gaps and power dynamics in relationships, so the particulars of Diana/Charles/Camilla are going to go over especially badly with the younger set.
I cannot count how many tweets I've seen from people who cannot believe Charles really said, "Whatever in love means," during his engagement interview, and thought the writers had to have made that part up. They are probably familiar with the William/Kate, Harry/Meghan engagement interviews and the notion of either prince: 1) being in his early 30s but engaged to a 19 year old, and 2) openly noncommittal about actually being in love with their future wife, on camera... To contemporary eyes, it would not only be an unfathomable PR disaster, but a terrible way to treat someone. It would get the guy "cancelled", at least temporarily.
It's one thing to read about what really happened on a season in an article but another for viewers to see the real Charles saying, "Whatever in love means," or hearing Diana in her own voice, talking about this period of her life. It greatly undercuts all the protests that the show is fiction. It is, but no more than any previous season and before, it felt like we could go five minutes without being constantly reminded that what we are watching isn't real.
I bet Season 5 will show a less flattering side to Diana, but to some, whatever she did later is a result of how Charles (and Camilla) treated her first. Is that the entire truth? Is it fair to Charles and Camilla? Maybe not, but the people looking at the Charles/Diana marriage from a fresh perspective in the 2020s might not be in the mood to handwave how it played out as things being different then, and let's let bygone be bygones.
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22 hours ago, MamaMax said:
My understanding is that Camilla was never marriage material because she was known to have been somewhat of a party girl. She had a well known sexual past. This made her not suitable as the mother of a future king. However , I also wouldn’t discount the idea that Camilla never wanted to marry Charles. She didn’t wait for him to settle down, she went ahead and got married. It’s possible she had no interest in the kind of life she knew she would have to live as the Princess of Wales. I believe she was perfectly content to be his mistress.
Camilla's great-grandmother was a mistress to Edward VII, which Camilla supposedly mentioned to Charles IRL when they met in the 1970s. That's probably how she saw their relationship going in those days, and didn’t want anything more.
As much as Charles may have loved Camilla as a young man, by all real-life accounts, he also very much enjoyed being an eligible bachelor. People point out that Elizabeth got her way in marrying Philip even when he wasn't thought to be "suitable", and Charles could have done the same with Camilla. However, in a lot of ways, Elizabeth was tougher than Charles, and it helped that Philip wasn't averse to the proposition or its timing. Elizabeth also wasn't brought up thinking that she was entitled to have lovers if she wanted, so it was either marriage to Philip or nothing. Charles and Camilla both knew they could still have a relationship of a sort, even if they both ended up marrying other people--family history told them so.
It makes for a more dramatic show if Charles is daydreaming of marrying Camilla in the late 1980s, regardless of whether he was actually known to have felt that way at the time.
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45 minutes ago, Roseanna said:
Can anyone explain to me what Charles meant when he said that Diana hurt Camilla? When and how she did so (in the show, not irl)?
Diana hugged the child with AIDS in front of the media and her New York tour in general led to enormously positive personal press (many of those "man on the street" interviews featured people saying Diana was different/better than the rest of the Royal Family). Camilla saw the reports and had the mini-freakout to Charles that she could never measure up to Diana's image in the eyes of the world. This led to Charles blaming Diana for "hurting Camilla", because he viewed his wife's public displays of compassion as a showy thing solely done to make herself look good and the Royals/Camilla seem like unfeeling monsters in comparison. Charles (at least the version on the show) was so wrapped up in his own self pity and jealousy of her popularity and Camilla, that he couldn't fathom Diana having sincere motives for anything that she did. Diana and Charles also had very different personalities in general: he's presented as unable to wrap his head around the way she could connect to the public and sees it as unbecoming for a royal, besides.
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13 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:
When the show decided to have Uncle Dickie and Grandma meddle with Charles's love life, I was also wondering if the show was going to have Uncle Dickie playing matchmaker with Charles and Amanda. I do hate that the show did that last season instead of having Camilla choose Andrew Parker-Bowles over Charles, since that is actually what happened. Why have Uncle Dickie meddling without having him try to gain something.
I guess the writers just wanted to streamline it all: Charles loved Camilla but was pressured to marry Diana, so there was need to complicate the story beyond that. Mountbatten here is primarily a de facto paternal figure, so pushing his granddaughter on Charles, though historically accurate, maybe makes him less sympathetic to unfamiliar audiences. Plus, the cousin aspect has the potential to needlessly weird viewers out, when their failed relationship is not really that important to the show's overall narrative. I think there could have been at least a montage about the "playboy prince" days, but that would undercut the show's version of Charles desperately pining for Camilla the whole time. They have ten episodes to cover 11 years, so there's no time for the other women he proposed to before Diana or his other married friend in this era, Lady Tryon aka Kanga.
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‘Charlie’s Angels’: Who did Prince Charles date before Lady Diana Spencer? A short history and gallery of some of the prince's reported exes:
QuoteAnother woman that Charles unsuccessfully proposed to (twice) was Anna Wallace, his last girlfriend before Diana, she was dubbed ‘Whiplash Wallace’ in the press for her reportedly fiery temper and skill at hunting. The daughter of wealthy Scottish landowner Hamish Wallace, she is said to have dumped the Prince after he brought her to the Queen Mother’s 80th birthday party and then largely ignored her - instead dancing with Camilla Parker Bowles, who he had recently rekindled his relationship with. According to reports at the time, she had said: ‘I have never been so badly treated in my life. You’ve left me alone all evening and now you will have to continue without me.’
This incident was mentioned in Diana, Her True Story: Charles ignoring the "official" woman in his life for Camilla was a well worn pattern. The Queen Mother's birthday was August 4, so Charles and Anna Wallace split in the summer of 1980.
QuoteWhen Prince Charles and Princess Diana got engaged, it wasn't totally a gesture of love. Charles was under pressure from the royal family to settle down and Diana seemed liked a perfect match. But before Diana was the perfect match that Charles was pressured to propose to, there was another "perfect match" Charles was pressured to propose to: His cousin (not a first cousin, but still, yeah...) Amanda Knatchbull.
In Battle of Brothers: William and Harry – The Inside Story of a Family in Tumult, royal historian and biographer Robert Lacey explains that Charles' great-uncle, Lord Mountbatten (aka "Uncle Dickie"), had pushed for him to marry Amanda, who was his cousin and Lord Mountbatten's granddaughter. According to Lacey, Charles admitted to being "very fond of her" and a relationship did, eventually, blossom.
I wonder if the show ever considered introducing Amanda as a character? It's smoother narratively that they didn't, even without the second cousin aspect.
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S05.E09: The Ride
in This Is Us
I felt there was a bit of a "vibe" between Future Deja and the guy she asked to cover for her, when she excused herself from the group. Maybe he's the father?
In real life, several celebrity relationships/weddings/pregnancies/births have slipped under the radar during the pandemic. Especially if a star wants to keep their private lives largely to themselves, it's been much easier to do that for the last year. The celebs who want to be seen still manage it, of course. The paparazzi exclusives of new celebrity babies fresh from the hospital seems very much out of the aughts; the more respectable outlets don't run those sorts of photos of children now, and even the Daily Mail would blur the kids' faces. Even before Covid, paps are not nearly as prevalent in LA as they were 10-15 years ago.