MissAlmond

Judging from what I remember of the comments on TV By The Numbers, the first rumblings started after the reveal of Headless being Katrina's ex-beau. For a show that seemed to be full force at total batshit crazy, this reveal seemed small. But the first warning shot seemed to become lost with the whole the Sin Eater is the Crane's son cliffhanger and all the media hype that followed. And I too wanted to see more of the TOWN of Sleepy Hollow in Season 2. At the risk of repeating myself, I wanted to see who was good, who was evil and who were ordinary citizens watching their town go to hell and wondering if the time had come to move. Sadly, none of that happened and now a lot of viewers are past caring, Mark Guffman's pleas of "trust me" none withstanding.

BTW - I so wish that during public interview or discussion of the show with Goffman and the writers, the Sandman would suddenly appear and force them to reveal why they really changed the dynamic of the show.

Venting on this board made it easier for me to quit SH, yet there are posters here whose opinions I respect and part of me keeps hoping they’ll finally post the word that SH of old has returned. Sadly, I think that’s a pipe dream on part but hope springs eternal in the human breast. I still believe that making Headless, Crane’s old friend and Katrina’s ex-whatever, was a mistake. But it is a mistake that’s grounded in Irving’s tale, so I could live with it. What I didn’t expect was for the show to turn badass Headless into a version of a disillusioned Buzz Lightyear sipping tea. To me, the Jeremy/Henry story was a huge mistake. Turning the Sin Eater into the Crane’s son is a great cliffhanger but then what? Since I never watched Fridge, I had no allegiance to John Noble but I will admit the man is a very good actor. But Henry’s story is a show sucking device for me, and I so wish instead, Noble had been cast as the Evil Mayor of Sleepy Hollow. I also would have preferred that none of the Horseman have any connection with Crane or Abbie, although as noted above, I give leeway to Brom due to the short story. I didn’t mind Katrina’s not quite the whole story advice of Season 1, I never needed her as an all powerful witch. Unlike others, I preferred Jenny as recurring and frankly, had no need for Frank’s family. I always saw Frank as another nod to the original story who writes “The Legend of Sleepy Hollow“. I guess my disappointment is that this show had so much going for it in Season 1 (or at least up to “The Midnight Ride”). Badass Headless. WASHINGTON’S BIBLE!!! The Sandman (who happens to be my favorite “monster” of them all). The twist on American history. Craziness everywhere, as was fitting a town with a Headless Horseman running about. I expected to see the town’s reaction in Season 2. Who was good? Who was evil? And what about the ordinary citizens of SH seeing all the craziness and now worried about their property values? Most importantly of all, this show was unexpectedly blessed by the tv gods with an amazing chemistry between their two leads. A viewer didn’t have to be all about shipping to see this. Chemistry is chemistry and when it comes to fictional characters it’s what Frank Loesser wrote in Guys and Dolls: “Mine will come as a surprise to me Mine I lead to chance and chemistry” “Chemistry?” “Yeah, chemistry” The strong chemistry between Crane and Abbie was indeed a "surprise" to the writers. Most showrunners would have sacrificed a baby goat in appreciation of this gift, as it is rare indeed. Instead, not only did Goffman toss this in the trash can with a shrug and an “eh” but he obviously listened to and agreed with people who reminded him over and over how they never, ever, never, ever, never, never, never (did I mention never) wanted to see even a remote chance Crane and Abbie getting tingtogether. That what we were seeing was all sibling related. Or best friends related. Or, - hey, what about Katrina? But Mark Goffman is no Frank Loesser.

From what I remember, the producers/writers of SH laid out their long range plan and the show was green-lit so Goffman is hanging on to that story. The problem, IMO, is that the characters themselves aren't following the gameplan (smart writers understand this happens at times) and instead of Goffman going with them, he's trying to beat the charaters into submission. Goffman wants the SH he signed up for. But I have a feeling the producers/writers don't want to go where the characters are leading. Orci and Kutzman are well aware of the feedback they got from Spock/Uhura, I'm sure they don't have the stomach to go down that path with fandom again. And to me sure, there are fans out there who love everything about Season 2. I'm simply not one of them but it's Goffman's show and he can write for whatever part of fandom he wants. But Mark, I don't believe those Live 7++ are due to people clearing their schedule for perfect time to watch SH. I think it's more that they're watching late because SH is like homework and thank goodness for fast forward. Anyway, I want to thank the posters on this board for listening to me. I really didn't plan to post this much, I just signed up to get things off my chest. It's made it easier for me to let this show go which is sad because I loved it so before. But I'll always have Season 1.

Sorry, me again. I guess I just have to get these things off my chest LOL. Two examples of what I’m talking about. Frank tells Ichobod and Abbie that Brom has become the Horseman of Death, but due to love of Katrina, he’s a lovesick wimp. The Witnesses approach Headless this way only to discover that yes, it is Brom, but he’s no wimp. He means business and instead is our Headless of old. Or when Frank sees Mayor Parrish, he tells Ichobod hey that’s your kid of which Icohbod looks at Frank sideways. Frank thinks, okay, so I must have dreamt that too and just thinks of Henry as the obnoxious mayor of SH who Frank continues to have run ins with. The truth is while Henry is indeed not the Crane’s son, he is the Horseman of War and he means business too. By doing this, the writers can use Frank in ways to get the show back on track. But I doubt it will happen because the writers already believe the show is on track. It’s just that some of us refuse to see their glorious vision.

Dallas-ed? Ha! Ha! No, I don’t want Sleepy Hollow to go all “dream season”. I just want portions of Season 2 plots to be part of Moloch’s plan to drive Frank mad. SH is (or was LOL) a supernatural show so it should be easy to write that Moloch mixed up Frank’s mind with truth and lies. Frank becomes a blessing and a curse to The Witnesses since some of what he knows is truth, some fiction. The writers can scrub what didn’t work and keep what did. Heck, they can even use flashbacks, something Dallas wasn’t able to do because they wanted viewers to simply forget the previous season. I want Frank to remember and his advice to bring confusion at times. The reason why Moloch did that becomes clear at the end of the show. Not that everybody else is dead at the end of the series, but that Frank’s role was always meant to be the scribe who wrote the story of how good triumphed over evil. The problem is I don’t think SH’s current producers/writers are imaginative enough to retool the show. Strong writers understand that sometimes characters take on lives on their own and not the one the writer imagined them to be. A smart writer retools and follows where the characters take them. The writers on SH, OTOH, seem to want to continue to impose their will on their characters. I think it’s why they double down when things don’t go their way and only listen to people who think as they do. It’s like, damn you characters you will do as I say. It’s not working but they refuse to believe it. Even the critic they reached out isn’t going to help them since apparently the biggest problem he sees is Hawley. Getting rid of that character was the advice offered. No. It’s deeper than that. But SH most likely will be renewed for Season 3. FOX has problems this year and for them, SH current bad ratings are okay. From what I hear, there currently is nothing else there to replace the show, so a Season 3 there will be. It’s Season 4 that’s in jeopardy and unless the writers immediately not only acknowledge but fix the problems of Season 3, the show is most likely doomed. And sadly, I don’t see this current group of writers acknowledging and fixing anything.

Yes, it's probably Kevin Reilly they're speaking of; it was known he loved Sleepy Hollow. After Reilly left, Mark Goffman was everywhere. Unlike others, I believed every word he said about SH Season 2, which is why I mentally started to wean myself from the show. I knew where Goffman was headed. It's all just so sad.

Wow! Just when I finally decided to join Previously TV to discuss SH, the”stan” has hit the fan. I’m not surprised at the direction Season 2 has taken. I remember Goffman’s comments during the hiatus and unlike many, I never believed he was being coy. I thought he was telling the truth which made me wary. It’s also clear now that the writers really didn’t know what made the show tick, somehow they believed if they could only explain Katrina, everybody would go along with them for the ride. That some may be upset and losing it on Twitter is probably due to shock. My advice: I concur with the suggestion of not making Henry Ichabod’s son. That idea probably is great for a cliffhanger, but then what? Unlike many, I wouldn’t even get rid of Katrina, make her a ghost again, whispering vague suggestions that make no sense. My scenario? Have Season 3 begin with Irving discussing the events of Season 2 with Abbie and Ichabod only for them to say they don’t know what he's talking about. Irving gets up, looks out the door and it’s the police station, (Luke there’s too!). While Irving is scratching his head over this, the mayor of Sleepy Hallow roars in wanting to know WTH Irving is up to, when suddenly we realized it’s Henry! No, he’s not the son, he’s the mayor, he’s always been the mayor, he never loses an election no matter how many people claim to vote against him. Why? Because Moloch put him there. As the season goes on, Irving continues to meet up with people who he sees as the person they were in Season 2, but they really aren’t. Basically, a lot of things that happened in Season 2 really was Moloch messing with Irving’s mind. The writers now have a fresh start without entirely losing Season 2 and they can keep their cast. Katrina is back to being a ghost. Headless can go back to being a Bad Ass. They keep Henry and he’s still bad. Hawley stays, give him a different back story, bring back Jenny, and restore the Ichabod/Abbie relationship. Stop making everything personal to Ichabod and return it once again to whatever was written in Washington’s Bible (and have each succeeding president know what as in the Bible, some of them even driven bonkers in office <cough cough Nixon> knowing its contents. In other words, bring it, SH. You did it in Season 1, you can do it again in Season 3 Oh, and the reason why I suggest making Irving the one who is dazed and confused? n my head I still see his character as the show’s tribute to Washington Irving. At the end of the entire show, I want Irving sitting down at a computer writing “The Legend of Sleepy Hollow.” Just adding my wild and crazy ideas! And SH could use some wild and crazy ideas again.